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  2. Didn't Ferrie claim at one point that this trip to Houston on 11/22 or 23/63, then Galveston , in a driving rain storm, was to go duck or goose hunting? That they stopped off to go ice skating, but never did?
  3. Lance Payette

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    I've already admitted to Michael Clark today that I'm "feeling guilty," so I'm not prepared to concede that I also "need help." But get back to me tomorrow and I might!
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  5. Lance Payette

    The ice-skating connection - a conspiracy nugget?

    Yes, that was my thought - who would ever think anything sinister was going on at an ice-skating rink? And when you throw Cody and his connection to Ruby's gun into the mix, it's truly odd. It's like so many things associated with the assassination: How could this POSSIBLY be a mere coincidence? How could this POSSIBLY have an innocent explanation? And then. as with Umbrella Man, you find out that it probably does. I don't know what anyone could do with it except go "Hmmm … weird." I am haunted by Tink Thompson's point (actually John Updike's point) that when you examine historical events through a sufficiently powerful microscope, it's as though you entire into some weird quantum universe.
  6. Cory Santos

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    Lol you need help.
  7. Ron Bulman

    Number of shots

    Welcome to the forum Geoff. Thanks for the link. Specifically David Josephs post and link in it. I'd never heard of a De Lisle carbine. Potentially a very useful weapon in the JFK assassination. Especially if one considers any shots from a Mauser or Manlicher Carcano from the TSBD a distraction from other shooters in other locations. Amazing weapon. Thanks once again David J too.
  8. Jake Hammond

    A conspiracy theory even a Lone Nutter can love ...

    I think as always the truth is in the middle and a great number of people find it greatly difficult to balance and temper their initial thoughts and feelings . -99% of the DPD were just doing their job and in truth didn’t care . - The warren commission were under strict instructions , however , in the end only Ford and Dulles were ‘ happy’ with it. - the FBI did a thorough investigation and were also under very strict instructions . Yet they clearly destroyed lots of conflicting info and ignored lots of witnesses. They also controlled what the Warren commission saw. As a general response to the initial post... it amazes me how many only see in black and white . Left or right brain. How many cannot see in colour and use their neo cortex to its full.
  9. Hey Lance I guess fools rush in ... so here I am. This is an interesting story. I'm old enough to remember that ice skating was a popular hobby for many in the 1960's. Not so much today, as all of the popular rinks have since closed down. But a rink was quite the social centerpiece in those days. I grew up in the city (Philadelphia) so I didn't skate well and stayed away from ice rinks. It seems that Jack Ruby and David Ferrie were a bit old to have been recreational skaters in 1963. Plus, the reason most anyone I knew skated was to meet girls ... which doesn't fit with Jacob Rubenstein (who was 52 years old at the time) and seminarian David Ferrie (who was 45 years old at the time) ... neither of which had girl friends. Ferrie responded to the ice skating legend by stating that "...he had been considering for some time the feasibility and possibility of opening an ice skating rink in New Orleans" and wanted to gather information on the ice rink business. "He stated that he introduced himself to [rink manager] Chuck Rolland and spoke with him at length concerning the cost of installation and operation of the rink." However, Rolland later said that he never spoke to Ferrie about running an ice rink. Rolland said that Ferrie had spent his time at the rink's pay phone, making and receiving calls. Maybe ice rinks were considered a good (safe) innocent-looking neutral place to meet and talk discretely, like movie theatres and parking garages. Ferrie and Eladio Del Valle didn't last too long, once Jim Garrison got wind of their exploits. Somebody hung up their skates for good. Gene
  10. Jake Hammond

    Help ! rare Dealey Plaza photo....

    Do you have an image ? A fake as in from a recreaction ?
  11. Thank you, Ron. You always make such intelligent and insightful comments. I'll let Don decide whether I did or did not respond directly to the questions he posed to me, but I feel sure he'll agree with your careful analysis of my "diatribe."
  12. Lance Payette

    Russian-born oilman is a vivid presence in JFK files

    Ernst Titovets, whose intellect and professional credentials (acquired later) would put de Mohrenschildt to shame, found Oswald extremely interesting and likable. The reasonably sophisticated Ziger family practically adopted him. I don't find it unlikely at all that oddball de Mohrenschildt would have been attracted to oddball Oswald in small doses or have had empathy for the plight of the penniless couple. I likewise don't find Ruth Paine suspicious in the slightest. She to me is one of the saddest examples of the despicable way conspiracy theorists will just blithely engage in character assassination of everyone in their path who must be brought into the web of conspiracy for their goofy theories to work. I won't launch into my usual "Think about this - does it really make any sense?" diatribe - but for God's sake, does all of the dot-connecting necessary to bring poor old Ruth and Oswald's employment at the TSBD into the web of conspiracy MAKE ANY SENSE AT ALL? No, it does not unless you are literally drunk on Conspiracy Kool Aid.. Thank you, I'm done now. Carry on.
  13. = thread nosedive. Hijacked. Derailed. Crashed. Burned. Does anybody really read long diatribes on here?
  14. ?I'm not dissing the papers or the book. I've not read it, and he says his thoughts about motive may be questioned. Which I do. The powers that be had JFK killed to save the public and the nation of the embarrassment of Bobby Baker purportedly pimping (?) for him becoming public. That it would give the USSR a publicity advantage? I've read about Ellen Rometsch before.https://spartacus-educational.com/JFKrometsch.htm The last two paragraphs of Mr. Simkin's article are of key importance.
  15. Lance Payette

    The ice-skating connection - a conspiracy nugget?

    Oh, boo-hoo, not one conspiracy enthusiast thought this was kind of weird? I genuinely thought this was at least as curious as 80% of the supposed conspiracy evidence, and I'm not being facetious. Twinkle Toes Ruby, Twinkle Toes Cody and Twinkle Toes Ferrie were brothers on ice, and no one finds this disturbing. So many conspiracy nuggets, so little time, I guess.
  16. I think you mean "even in the hands of a capable public prosecutor." But anyway … Within a week of O.J. being arrested, I said (to the dismay of some of my law partners) that I would cheerfully flip the switch on the electric chair right then without shedding a tear. Today, notwithstanding the acquittal, I say the same thing. The point being, the rules of evidence are not really designed or even intended to ensure that the full story is presented in the courtroom. The burden of proof in a criminal trial is not really designed or intended to ensure that justice is done. The primary goals are consistency, orderly administration and, in a criminal case, to minimize the chance that innocent people will be convicted. "Better that 25 guilty men go free than that one innocent man is convicted" - I don't happen to think so, but that's the philosophy. The O.J. verdict had little or nothing to do with the strength of the prosecution's case and was somewhat of an aberration, but the reality is that even in a properly administered case all 12 jurors may be "pretty damn sure" the defendant did it but not "convinced beyond a reasonable doubt." It's entirely possible that Oswald would not have been convicted. There would have been massive evidentiary battles and "motions in limine" to exclude or limit particular items of evidence, witnesses or areas of testimony. I have no idea how that would all have panned out, what the jury would have ended up seeing and hearing, or how they would have interpreted the beyond-a-reasonable-doubt standard. Even in the civil context, I can't tell you how many times in my own experience EVERYONE on both sides knew the result was wrong and would have been different if critical and credible evidence had been admitted - but could not be because it was blocked by the rules of evidence. Often both sides know that the fate of a genuinely complex case hinges on how a single motion in limine is decided. This can be maddening. Knowing what I know, which includes many things on both sides that may not have made it into evidence at trial, I am satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that Oswald was the loan assassin, but I don't insist that everyone absolutely must be. The rifle? No question that would have been in evidence. We have the record of purchase, the storage in the garage, a solid if not flawless chain of evidence from the time it was discovered, and enough other circumstantial evidence (Frazier and Randle, the bag, the palm print, etc.) that I don't believe any judge on the planet would have excluded this evidence. The Mauser stuff you are citing is weak in the extreme and would have gone (I believe) to the weight of the evidence rather than it's admissibility. In a best-case scenario for the defense, the jury might have decided the rifle was not compelling evidence - anything can happen in litigation. When you say "none of the evidence" against Oswald would have been admissible, you are grossly overstating the case. The fact is, much of the evidence that conspiracy enthusiasts would like to present to impeach the prosecution evidence would have been inadmissible as well. In their enthusiasm, conspiracy zealots think they could simply attach Harvey and Lee as Exhibit A to a motion for dismissal and say "There you go." Well, as O.J. used to say in the Hertz commercials, "Not exactly." For the reasons stated above, no one cares - nor should they - whether Oswald might have been acquitted even though he was guilty. 55 years after the fact, what counts is the entire body of evidence, not the limited evidence or testimony that a jury might have heard 55 years ago. All the pseudo-lawyering on these forums about "reasonable doubt" is just mental masturbation at this point. I guess the hope is that the investigation will be reopened, but realistically that isn't going to happen. And if it did happen, the rules of evidence and burdens of proof wouldn't apply anyway. Again, knowing what I know about all of the "impeachment evidence" to which conspiracy enthusiasts point, I am still satisfied of Oswald's guilt as the lone assassin beyond a reasonable doubt. As I have said numerous times in recent days, the fact that many items of evidence may be susceptible to impeachment or even genuinely in reasonable doubt is typical and does not mean AT ALL that the prosecution's case cannot be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. This is what Cliff (to cite one glaring example) fails to understand with his loose layman's talk of "prima facie" evidence and having an "irrefutable" case. Since I have retired and resigned from the bar, I can say with utter impunity that I believe our justice system is a bad joke at almost every level and from almost every angle. I have said a hundred times that if the world is still here in 200 years, they will look at our justice system pretty much the same way we look at the medieval practice of throwing accused witches into ponds to see if they floated or sank (which did at least have the virtue of being efficient). I have never retained a lawyer in my life and would not do so unless my life were literally on the line. To the extent I could do so consistent with my professional obligations, when my clients were in the early stages of litigation I always encouraged them to think long, hard and seriously about how far in terms of settlement they would be willing to go RIGHT NOW to GET OUT. I love Bleak House, where Dickens beautifully captures the reality of the so-called justice system. He says that the system appears to be an unfathomable, bottomless mess unless and until you realize one central fact: It doesn't exist to solve your disputes and problems. It doesn't even care about them. It exists SOLELY to perpetuate itself, to create business for itself - which is even more true today than it was in Dickens' time. Anyway, that's why all the efforts to demonstrate "reasonable doubt" about Oswald's guilt are just mental masturbation to me. I'll decide for myself whether he did it, rules of evidence and burdens of proof be damned. I don't think I "desperately want" the official story to be true, and I certainly don't "basically trust" the system (any system). I can't imagine why I would really care whether Oswald acted alone or an elaborate conspiracy framed him. It's a fascinating case, yes, but it's of strictly academic interest to me. I just happen to be convinced he did it, on the basis of precisely the same sort of investigation and reasoning that I apply in all other areas of my life. When you say that you "prefer to believe that this charismatic political figure was killed for political reasons," I find this an interesting admission. I truly have no "preference" as to the way JFK was killed. But as I have suggested many times before, I believe that this preference underlies much of the thinking within the conspiracy community. For some, including some of the most high-profile participants here, this preference has become a consuming and distorting "obsession."
  17. Lance Payette

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    My crack about Remedial Continuing Legal Education was admittedly somewhat over the top. I actually meant Remedial Reading Comprehension because you consistently misconstrue (or ignore) what I have said. You're trying to play neophyte litigator games with someone who practiced law for 35+ years and you're getting it shoved back up your wazoo. You're damn right I was like this as a lawyer, and I never had a bar complaint or a sanction. Professionalism in any context does not require me to suffer characters who think they are going to one-up me with tap dances. People who come at me with substance get substance in response. People who come at me with silly games get what they deserve. When your tactics are exposed, you blithely ignore the entire substance of what has been said and just move on to the next inanity as though you were putting words in the mouth of some dipsy 18-year-old witness on cross-exam in a minor league slip-and-fall case:: "Oh, so you admit it could be a radio [well, yes, from my very first post] … you admit only Bowers WC testimony is relevant [well, no, you are mischaracterizing what I said] … and thus you cannot deny, can you, sir, that there was indeed a banana peel on the floor of aisle 3 on October 4, 2017, a day on which you, sir, were solely responsible for ensuring the absence of such peels in said aisle but failed miserably in the performance of your sacred duty?"
  18. Thanks for the careful reading, Mark. Sometimes I have to read these detail-rich articles three or four times to digest even most of the information. I'll see if we can make W's trip from TSBD to the Texaco Station clearer, but no doubt you know what we're up against. Do you think we have proved that the Dallas Police radio transcripts and recordings from 11/22/63 were altered?
  19. Micah Mileto

    Help ! rare Dealey Plaza photo....

    I posted it, but it was a fake.
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  21. I have recently joined the forum for the first time and have just remembered that around a year ago I saw but didn't recall where or screen grab , an image, which now cannot be found..... It is a VERY clear colour photograph taken from the north side of Elm from behind the esplanade (?) and to the side, looking at the back of 'Umbrella man' . Does anyone know the image ?! I'm pretty sure it wasn't from some sort of movie or reconstruction but if that is the case can anyone confirm ? many thanks
  22. François Carlier

    Russian-born oilman is a vivid presence in JFK files

    Sir, I'm sorry, I'm late in replying. First of all, no, I don't think that I am a credulous person. I try no to be. Second of all, I said something about Ruth Paine, not about George de Mohrenschildt. So please let's stick to the topic, namely Ruth Paine. I think that you have everything in reverse. There is one thing that you have to understand : if A commits a murder and B knows A, it DOES NOT follow that B is involved in the murder or its planning. If Oswald acted alone and planned the assassination on his own without telling anyone (which I believe), then nobody else is involved, even if you were able to prove that his friends were anything between priests and mafia hitmen. It is entirely possible that Lee Oswald decided to kill President Kennedy without telling anyone. In that case, your point becomes void. Even if you prove that Ruth Paine was a mean-spirited woman (which she was not) and a rapist or a killer herself or a mafia boss or a CIA agent, you still haven't proved that she set up Oswald. In other words, you have no evidence whatsoever that Ruth Paine was part of a conspiracy to set up Oswald. You only have suppositions, guess work. If a friend of mine does something against the law, will you accuse me of having set him up ? It so happens that one of my friends in college later went to prison. I learned that later. I had nothing to do with it. My father himself had a colleague who later went to prison. Do you think that my father had anything to do with that ? But you could easily find old pictures of that guy at some party with my father. Would you use those photos to start a conspiracy theory ? You get my point. Ruth Paine made friends with a young woman. She offered to share her house with that woman, since she was a Russia-born woman and she, Ruth, was precisely Learning Russian. That makes sense. See the "Workaway" website : you have hundreds of hosts who want to have guests at their house to speak their language, when they learn that foreign language. I myself have been learning German and Spanish an would be happy to have a Spanish-speaking person at home, especially if I was alone after a divorce. There is nothing wrong there. Now, if that person later kills someone, will you accuse me of being guilty too, just because I still have their bike in my garage ? What I mean is that you can't accuse Ruth paine just on the basis of her knowing people who did reprehensible things. Ruth Paine was a kind woman who was nice to Oswald. That's all there is to it. Now if you have evidence that she did anything, just let us know. But don't just "infer" just by talking about people around her. That's what I mean.
  23. W. Tracy Parnell

    A conspiracy theory even a Lone Nutter can love ...

    No. As I'm sure you know, their position was based solely on the acoustics which was refuted later by the NAS and the work of people like Steve Barber and Dale Myers.
  24. Cory Santos

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    I see well again you resort to insults. Why can’t you just be professional? We’re you like this as a lawyer? It’s sad. Really talking to you is like arguing w a stop sign. Frankly it’s beneath me.
  25. David Von Pein

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    Except that in the interview with Lane, Bowers added a comment about possibly seeing "a flash of light" or "smoke" near the Knoll. He never said anything about "flashes of light" or "smoke" in his WC testimony. (I just looked.) So that makes me wonder what influence Mr. Lane had on Mr. Bowers prior to that 1966 interview.
  26. I think that is correct Paul, and it did not happen as quickly as one might think. In fact Mongoose carried on for a time until it became clear the Russians were going to take out their missiles (over Castro's objections). By early 1963 it had faded away since the agreement precluded any overt American action against Cuba. That put Lansdale out of a job and JFK tried to get him a position in Vietnam but both the CIA and State pushed back hard. As for Harvey, it appears he just hung around the office for a few months, in his former pre-Mongoose/Task Force W role as head of staff D. Not many folks for him to talk to except Angleton because it was obvious he had no real place at HQ with RFK around. His assignment to Italy was low key, apparently more in the nature of a reward for service from Helms.
  27. Lance Payette

    Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

    Witnesses always got "better," conspiracy-wise, in the hands of Mark Lane, didn't they? Despite the heavy editing and convenient cuts for which Lane is famous, insofar as Cory's assertions are concerned he said nothing different from what he had said at the WC.
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