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  2. Whoa, whoa....could you clarify please? What problem do I have with you and what exactly do you mean by "acid" lol? When did I "become acid"...? I don't really have a problem with anyone. My only issues will ever be with arguments and evidence, etc, nothing personal. Thank you Paul. Will do sometime. When and if you do, please pass it my way if you don't mind. Thanks again. Jim, I know it is in Talbot's book and are you speaking about Mark Wyatt? His Deputy in Rome? Do we have a document or anything (video, etc) on Wyatt saying that? I came across this: https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/JFKFOIAComplaint.pdf, which still doesn't directly source where Wyatt mentioned it but only that he mentions the Dallas flight in 1998. If Metta has a different source than even that, then that would be great if the source checks out.
  3. David, In his after-action Report dated December 3, 1963, DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 4, page 2 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Detective Paul Bentley wrote: “On the way to the City Hall, I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name.... I turned his identification over to Lt. Baker. I then went to Captain Westbrook's office to make a report of this arrest.” There is nothing in his Report about obtaining an address. Oswald's ID immediately went to Lieutenant Baker. Where is Bentley's Report to Westbrook done on November 22nd. Was it written, or was it just an oral report? Why did he go to Westbrook to make his Report? Westbrook was in Personnel. Bentley worked in the Crime Search Section under J.C. Day. Batchelor Exhibit 5002 page 18 of the Exhibit (p.19 of the pdf file) https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf Gerald Hill's testimony before the Warren Commission http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/hill_gl.htm Concerning Oswald's arrest: “When we got it back ready to sign, Carroll and I were sitting there, and it had Captain Westbrook's name for signature, and added a paragraph about he and the FBI agent being there, and not seeing that it made any difference, I went ahead and signed the report.” Gerald Hill's Report to Curry for November 22, 1963 does not contain Captain Westbrook's name or signature or Carrol's. There is no combined Carroll/Hill Report with Westbrooks name for signature. DPD Archives, Box 2, Folder# 7, Item# 23 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box2.htm Steve Thomas
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  5. Thanks Steve... I believe you are correct... No one mentions Owens and the way B.O. and Bookout are written on Fritz1 does indeed suggest they are the same... What threw me was the " BO + me" which I interpreted as someone "with" Fritz as opposed to the FBI or SS. The important thing is the sequence of events... Hill puts the discovery of HIDELL in the car on the way to the DPD... And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under. Mr. BELIN. Would the name Hidell mean anything? Alek Hidell? Mr. HILL. That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was, because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard. Mr. BELIN. Was this the first time you learned of the name? Mr. HILL. Yes; it was. 1:52 550/2 (Sgt. G.L. Hill) Suspect on the shooting the police officer is apprehended and en route to the station. 1:52 Dispatcher We had a shooting of a police officer which was DOA at Methodist. The suspect has been apprehended at Texas Theater and en route to the station. Hill and the others are requested to make a statement, have it typed and sign it.... but then something strange happens related to the Arrest Report for the Tippit murder: And at about this point Captain Westbrook suggested that I change the heading of my report to include arrest of the suspect in the assassination of the President and in the murder of Officer J. D. Tippit, which I did. When we got it back ready to sign, Carroll and I were sitting there, and it had Captain Westbrook's name for signature, and added a paragraph about he and the FBI agent being there, and not seeing that it made any difference, I went ahead and signed the report. Actually, they were there, but I didn't make any corrections. And as far as the report, didn't allege what they did, but had added a paragraph to our report to include the fact that he was there, and also that the FBI agent was there. Now as to why this was done, your guess is as good as mine. Arrest Report On Investigative Prisoner, by an unknown author. Arrest report identifies Oswald as the assassin of President John F. Kennedy and Police Officer J. D. Tippit, (Photocopy), 11/22/63. 00001383 1 page 05 02 086 1383-001.gif 30. Arrest Report On Investigative Prisoner, by M. M. McDonald. Arrest report identifies Oswald as the assassin of President John F. Kennedy and Police Officer J. D. Tippit, (Photocopy Poor Quality), 11/22/63. 00002183 1 page 07 02 030 2183-001.gif These are both the same document Hill goes on: Mr. HILL. Paul Bentley called off two addresses. One, as I recall, in Irving, and another one in Oak Cliff, when he was reading from information inside the suspect's billfold. But neither of these addresses was an address on 10th or on Beckley. Ok, so he mentions the 2 addresses... what about the 2 different identification names? (BTW - Paul Bentley was not called to Testify) From my paper on the pistol we also know that TL BAKER was acting a bit wonky.... BENTLEY says he gave TL BAKER Oswald's ID and in turn BAKER tells Fritz they have LEE OSWALD in custody... BAKER does not mention a 2nd person's identification with Oswald's photo. When Oswald's ID is turned into the DPD on a CSSS we SHOULD see TL BAKER'S signature and a time between 2pm and 3pm? Except we don't have those things at all, what we have is RM SIMS and JB HICKS with Oswald's ID cards, addresses and ONE BILLFOLD which is not entered into evidence until 5:30pm... HICKS is not asked about this form which effectively ends the chain of custody for this wallet and contents... SIMS offers nothing in relation to OSWALD'S ID & BILLFOLD.... Mr. STERN. Now, the search in which you participated of Oswald at 4:05 on Friday, just before the first showup---you have told us that either you or Mr. Boyd found five live rounds of .38 caliber pistol shells, and a bus transfer slip, and an identification bracelet, according to your memorandum-- Mr. STERN. Do you remember anything else that was found on Oswald at that time? (Mr. SIMS. No, sir; I don't remember anything else. Mr. STERN. A wallet or identification card? Mr. SIMS. No, sir; that had been taken off of him. Mr. STERN. That had been taken off of him upon his arrest at the time of his arrest? Mr. SIMS. Well, I don't know when, but he didn't have it on. Continuing on.... the DPD had notebooks listing evidence taken in alphabetical while also identifying WHERE THE ITEM CAME FROM... Items taken off of Oswald's person are listed as such... Items found in the rooms at Irving, or Beckley are also listed as such... Why does the BROWN BILLFOLD say "(IRVING)" when it was taken from Oswald's person by Bentley and given to TL BAKER (per Bentley)? Which wallet is being represented on that CSSS form with SIMS/HICKS? And the $64,000 Q.... Why is OSWALD not asked about HIDELL IDENTIFICATION found by BENTLEY at 2pm Nov 22nd and given to TL Baker so that he can tell FRITZ the man's name related to the TIPPIT case... until the 23rd? In a previous post I had both the B1 Exhibit listing the contents of his wallet and the CLEMENTS report also detailing the contents of the wallet... Both refer to this wallet as the one with the MARINE GROUP PHOTO. I will post again here but we need to look at a few things... First, CLEMENTS' 2nd item is not a SSS CARD, but a "Photo of..." doesn't this mean they knew it was not a real ID Card? Second, B1 lists 3 photos ... CLEMENTS lists 2 photos "Snapshot photo of woman, apparently wife... Snapshot photo of infant" What's missing? The Marine Group Photo ... WCD443 is a large batch of photos shown to Marina for ID... there are only 2 photos which it could... P3 is a photo with Roscoe White with hands on hips... Marina says this is a photo of "Oswald's Friends from Japan" and this one found http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html ... I do not know if this was in the wallet Our next photograph only just qualifies for inclusion here, but it does show Oswald with what is undoubtedly a rifle. The photograph shows a group of about ten Marines relaxing somewhere apparently in the Far East. They are on a beach with palm trees in the background. As in the preceding USMC photograph, Oswald is the central figure. He is sitting cross-legged, wearing Marines fatigues. He is facing left and, like his companions, he is wearing a forage cap. In the foreground, at Oswald's feet, are his helmet and his rifle. Edward Jay Epstein has identified Oswald's fellow Marines as Godfrey Jerome Daniels, George A. Wilkins, Jr., Zack Stout, Bobby J. Warren and James R. Parsons. He states that none of these men was ever questioned by either the Warren Commission or the FBI The point remains, A wallet taken from the IRVING HOME is referred to as the MARINE GROUP PHOTO wallet on both the DPD index and FBI/DPD combined list of evidence.... YET, this photo appears NOT to have been in the wallet HOSTY/CLEMMENTS/etc review and write their report on. Records (a TL BAKER report where he refers to himself in the 3rd person) show BENTLEY giving Lt. BAKER the IDhe took from Oswald during the car ride from the Theater on which is claimed a 2nd name is associated with Oswald... Alek HIDELL CSSS form shows SIMS entering the billfold, photos and id's into evidence by giving them to HICKS at 5:30pm 11/22... with no recourse back to Lt. TL BAKER. Neither man's reporting or testimony supports this happening or which wallet this refers to... if even Oswald's. James Bookout ("B.O." - not CB OWENS) finally asks Oswald about the HIDELL ID sometime in the afternoon or evening of 11/23... If TL Baker has the wallet during the interrogation... what happened to the HIDELL ID?
  6. Jim, Without going into a lot of the details right now, I personally think that a whole lot of document forging went on in the DPD crime lab the night of the 22nd. The library card, the backyard rifle pictures, the Hidell card.... I am convinced that LHO was asked about the rifle pictures at a Saturday 12:35 PM interrogation at which only Will Fritz and Thomas Kelley were present; four hours before they were "officially" found at the Irving St. address. Fritz (or some other police officials) went to great lengths to try and cover that up. Steve Thomas
  7. Craig Carvalho

    Angleton and Mark Lane experts, your thoughts?

    Haven't seen much talk of Angleton thus far. Here's an interesting article... https://spartacus-educational.com/Clare_Edward_Petty.htm
  8. Ron, I can’t answer all your questions, but the photo of the stained wallet contents has been in the National Archives for more than half a century. It was taken, apparently, on 11/26/63, after “Oswald’s possessions” had been secretly returned to the Dallas police following their secret trip to FBI headquarters, where they were vastly expanded. My guess is that the grossly uneven patterns of the fingerprint ink has more to do with the plastic sleeves and photo techniques than anything else, but that’s just a guess. Can anyone produce a photo of the two Hidell cards taken in November '63 stained with fingerprint ink? James Cadigan explained that the FBI applied the ink to some exhibits but didn’t have time to remove it (a process called “desilvering”) because the items “were returned to the Dallas police within two or three days” and “there was insufficient time to ‘desilver’ it.” Cadigan’s sworn testimony was altered because it exposed the secret handling of “Oswald’s possessions” by the FBI. This suggests to me that the Hidell IDs were not sent to Washington the night of November 22/23. Why?
  9. Paul Brancato

    The Skorzeny Papers reviewed by Michael LeFlem

    Is it Mankel?
  10. James DiEugenio

    The Skorzeny Papers reviewed by Michael LeFlem

    John Newman does have docs on QJ WIN and he does drop a name in his second volume and its not Skorzeny.
  11. I don't know what his source is, but that info was in the Talbot book about Dulles. And it was sourced to Harvey's chief of staff.
  12. Thanks again, Paul. Copeland has a problem with me. That's why he became so acid ...
  13. The book is well worth reading. I haven’t seen that reference yet.
  14. Steve Thomas

    Umbrella Man pic?

    David. Yup. Gene demonstrates once again the importance of not missing the forest because you're focused on the trees. Gene also wrote, " The Army Infantry hand signals (used in combat situations) are a good hint as to what might have been transpiring." (Thanks again Larry for the tip). Applying the tactics of triangulation of fire and especially enfilade give a good idea of what was going on. When your enemy approaches in a broad front, hit them in the center. When he approaches in column formation, hit them from the side. Steve Thomas
  15. John Butler

    Umbrella Man pic?

    The image appears to be edited.
  16. David Von Pein

    I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak

    Yeah, you're probably right. But the way it's phrased, it looks like Mr. Bulman is asking me to pick between two "Old JFK assassination freaks". 😜
  17. David Boylan

    Umbrella Man pic?

    Gene, Great post.
  18. Ray Mitcham

    I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak

    I think Ron included you in the threesome, Dave.
  19. Gene Kelly

    Umbrella Man pic?

    The Army Infantry hand signals (used in combat situations) are a good hint as to what might have been transpiring. My guess - based on an assumption that there are multiple shooting teams, and simultaneity is part of the plan - is a timing technique. How else does one explain two conspicuous individuals prominently located at the precise location/moment of impact? How else would you accomplish fatal head shots at the exact same time? Some believe that the fatal head shot originated from south of the Triple Underpass, most likely somewhere within the confines of the Terminal Annex building's parking lot (an excellent sniper location with favorable ingress/egress). The DCM or signal man is facing towards those locations. An even more ideal sniper location would be the south end atop the overpass, which affords the best pan angle on the limousine as it proceeded down Elm, with the greatest elevation over the limo's obstructions. The brightness of the noonday sun above the South Knoll renders anyone looking in that direction (from the street or limousine) essentially blind to the whole area ... a classic sniper tactic (see Anthony DeFiore's extensive 308-page analysis establishing the throat shot from the South Knoll). Bloodstain pattern analysis expert Sherry Gutierrez also focused on this shot origin. Other good references include Millicent Cranor's April 2018 article in Kennedys and King; also, the EF thread started by Al Carrier in November 2004 entitled "South Knoll; Ballistics, Shot Trajectories". Repeating what Carrier put forward: Often, the most ideal location for shot origin, especially on a moving target, is a location that exposes the shooter the greatest. Making the shot is only half the objective, the other is escaping either undetected or without being molested. The military found a practice to overcome this obstacle and it has been termed “Canyon Shoot”. This practice utilizes multiple snipers from locations suited to draw attention to those origins where they cannot be accessed, or by allowing the terrain to confuse the shot origin to the enemy present. In the case of Dealey Plaza, a shooter firing from the Texas School Book Depository would initially fire and the other shooters in the plaza would cue off the Depository shooter by startle reaction and fire a round immediately on top of the shot fired by the Depository shooter. Witnesses would detect the first sound and roughly identify a shot origin and this would cover the fire of the others shooters, deeper in the plaza. The echo effect of the Plaza would also aid in making the witnesses believe that it was shot reverberation that they were hearing deeper in the plaza. With another shooter firing from the North Knoll, this would direct witnesses along Elm and at the intersection of Elm and Houston to focus their attention on the area between the Depository and the Knoll. By utilizing startle reaction to cue simultaneous fire from three locations, three shots could easily sound like one. A TSBD shooter would have initially been facing the President from the sixth floor when the presidential limousine rounded the corner ... yet he allegedly waited, and took the more difficult shot from behind (which on face makes no sense). That delay and longer shot range from the rear was obviously part of a triangulated ambush, with shooters on the Knolls (North and South) able to use the overpass railroad tracks for escape routes. Such a positioning of the President's limousine for the kill shot would appear to be associated with Abraham Zapruder's camera POV, as well the expected echo distortion. As Carrier points out, the reverberation amongst the three buildings at the intersection of Elm and Houston would have created greater confusion. In summary, the triangulated and simultaneous military-style ambush seems to be somehow coordinated by these two suspicious individuals.
  20. David Von Pein

    I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak

    Aren't I even in the running? (I'm crushed.)
  21. David Von Pein

    I Was a Teenage JFK Conspiracy Freak

    Which means you have to think that the Z-Film has been "faked or altered" as well, right? Because Mr. Zapruder's motion picture most certainly does NOT show any of the BACK of JFK's head being blown out by the force of the head-shot bullet.... http://drive.google.com / video / The Zapruder Film / Version Created By DVP Utilizing Each Of The Film's 486 Individual Frames You can surely see how silly the "faked or altered" policy becomes when more and more items keep having to be added to a CTer's list of faked things. (And we've discussed this very thing before at this forum, of course. See link below. The merry-go-round never stops.) http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/12/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-1072.html#There Is No Large Wound In The Back Of JFK's Head
  22. David, Will Fritz's Interrogation Notes: http://www.jfklancer.com/Fritzdocs.html 1st Interview November 22nd: Present Were: B.O. + James Hosty Jame W. Bookout (B.O. is identified separately from James Bookout) I now believe that when Fritz wrote his notes, he thought that Bookhout was two words and he didn't know how to spell it, so he shortened it to B.O. Later, he went back in and filled it out as James W. Bookhout, and that's why his name is filled out both above and below the letters B.O. (That's one of the reasons I believe Fritz's notes are fraudulent, or at least not contemporaneous). The question of the Hidell ID does not come up until Oswald's second interrogation at 10:35 of the morning of the 23rd. In Fritz's Interrogation Notes of the 23rd, he says that B.O. asked Oswald about the Hidell ID. http://www.jfklancer.com/docs.maps/fritz4-5.jpg He wrote that Oswald admitted having the card, but says that Oswald would not admit to having signed it. WC testimony of James Bookhout: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/bookhout.htm Mr. STERN - What sort of question would he refuse to answer? Was there any pattern to his refusing? Mr. BOOKHOUT - Well, now, I am not certain whether this would apply then to this particular interview, the first interview or not, in answering this, but I recall specifically one of the interviews asking him about the Selective Service card which he had in the name of Hidell, and he admitted that he was carrying the card, but that he would not admit that he wrote the signature of Hidell on the card, and at that point stated that he refused to discuss the matter further. I think generally you might say anytime that you asked a question that would be pertinent to the investigation, that would be the type of question he would refuse to discuss. You can find a copy of James Bookhout's Reports on the Interrogations of Oswald in Appendix XI of the Warren Report here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=643&tab=page In his Report on the Interrogation of Oswald of the 23rd, he says that Dallas Police Officers F.M. Turner and Billy Senkel were present, but I think he confused them with Officers, Hall and Boyd. On page 623 of this Appendix, Bookhout talks about Oswald and the Hidell ID card, but does not specifically say who asked Oswald about it. The WC testimony of Elmer Boyd, and the Report of Thomas Kelley of the SS both mention Bookhout as being present. Steve Thomas
  23. You for sure can buy the book by yourself, instead
  24. Nope. Why are the ink stains only on the identification cards in your first picture, obliterating information on 4 of 5 of them, but not on his, Marina's, or the baby's? An intentional accident? Suspiciously incidental? Are there close ups available of the 4 stained ID's? They look kind of like a Rorschach test.
  25. I'm still waiting on Metta's source for the Bill Harvey flight to Dallas. If anyone owns the book, please post the footnote information.
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