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  2. Rich Pope

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    Paul, What if QJ/WIN is Michel Mertz (Jean Souetre) as some claim? Rich
  3. Rich Pope

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    Does Jim D say why those shooters couldn't have been there? Because I think Jim D is very wrong. Souetre, a terrorist in the French Secret Army Organization, is believed by some researchers to have been recruited by the CIA to serve as an assassin. According to CIA documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act by researcher Mary Ferrell, French intelligence reported that Souetre was in Fort Worth on the morning of November 22, 1963, and in Dallas that afternoon. And in response to a 1976 Freedom of Information Act request, the CIA released documents 632-796 confirming for the first time that a professional assassin was apprehended in Dallas on November 23, 1963 and that man was Jean Souetre, a.k.a. Michel Roux, a.k.a. Michel Mertz. The other shooters I mentioned are confirmed in Anthony Summers' book The Kennedy Conspiracy (Pages 523/525) 1. Lucien Sarti (The Grassy Knoll) 2. Francois Chiappe (Dal-Tex building or Texas School Book Dpeository) 3. Jean - Paul Angeletti (Dal-Tex building or Texas School Book Depository) 4. Jean Souetre ( Location as a shooter - ???) Rich
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  5. Paul Brancato

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    I was speaking of Christian David. I know he named shooters which you named as well. I haven’t dug down much but Jim D says most of the names couldn’t have been there and Rivele had to retract the story. But Sarti has not been debunked as far as I know. I have no other names to add, and don’t know much about Nicoletti. Hope you enjoy the cards.
  6. Larry Hancock

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Paul, from memory - and Newman would be the proper source on this - that crypt was used for payments out of a variety of offices and over a number of years. I do recall an LA office use, a couple of uses in Europe and of course its use to pay off Roselli but that was out of HQ not a station or field office. I know of no non-CIA info on Mankel. Apparently John has more info on the crypt but he is immersed in his books right now and I've not been able to break through to him... And yes, there were a couple of layers of subterfuge as you say, you always have to deal with who is assigned a crypt and in some instances they may be reused over time, then you have the actual security files on the individual which have to have a true name somewhere as to the personnel files. And then you have the operational crypts, normally made up for specific projects. But when people like Harvey and Angleton get really sneaky they hide new projects within old ones and under other covers...like putting ZR/RIFLE under Staff D. Harvey's notes even comment that the people that really know how to hide things are Angleton and the Office of Security. Wish I could be of more help, I'll continue trying to find out more information from Newman.
  7. Rich Pope

    Oswald's Rifle Skills?

    So, let me ask...Do you think others were hired guns or did the other shooters do it for free?
  8. David Andrews

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    If people are looking for "Mob involvement," Charles Harrelson comes to mind. I believe this is one of the few positive IDs made of a non-bystander near Dealey Plaza. This does not, however, lead me to assume CVH was a shooter.
  9. Rich Pope

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    There were two times where the president's limo almost came to a complete stop. The turn onto Elm is one. The driver was embarrassed because he almost went up onto the curb. And right before the fatal head shot, where the driver again almost came to a complete stop. I'm not the best shot in the world but I could have hit Kennedy from the Dal-Tex building while he was trying to turn onto Elm and I could also hit him from the Grassy Knoll while his limo was almost non-moving at all. Now NO ONE could have made ANY of the shots using the Carcano because the scope was misaligned.
  10. Paul Brancato

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Michael - I think QJBANNER - 1 is the same Arnold M. Silver, the COS in Luxembourg. If it is, and if QJ refers to Spain, it may be a cryptonym only used by Silver in the context of Spain.
  11. Paul Brancato

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Wasn’t Henry Manfredi one of Siragusa’s FBN agents?
  12. Paul Brancato

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Larry - I’ve read this before. Since the most important CIA released files mentioning Mankel as QJWIN do so in the context of payments made to that name, it seems like there is still a layer of subterfuge. Maybe you can refresh my memory - I recall reading that there was an office handling QJWIN operations or payments located in Los Angeles. Does anyone have non CIA info on Mankel?
  13. Paul Brancato

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Yes that is correct.ive yet to find a biography of Mankel, and as even Simpich says, we are not sure Mankel is his real name.
  14. Jim Hargrove

    Dick Bullock USMC

    Nope. As I said in my first post above.... "Unexplained are LEE’s glasses and the fact that he didn’t look much like the man killed by Ruby, at least according to Mr. Bullock, unless he was referring more to his height and weight than his facial features."
  15. Bart, Fritz’s notes also say that Lee HARVEY Oswald said he rode the bus and the taxi. If we accept Fritz’s notes as honest, then one Oswald clearly rode the bus and taxi while the other Oswald got into that green Nash Rambler.
  16. I should add that the diameter of Prayer Man's upper arm is not something which can clearly favor either Lee Oswald or Mrs. Stanton. The problem is the length of the forearm which was unusually long in Prayer Man's figure. It was Lee Oswald who had a very long forearm. In the figure below, the Poser model of Lee Oswald (middle) needed to have his forearm extended by 10 or 15% compared to a standard male to match Lee's forearm in the NOPD photograph. Before I place Mrs. Stanton on Prayer Man's location, let me point to the dilemma with any figure posing as Prayer Man who would stand with both feet on the top landing. Please observe the short distance between Prayer Man's right elbow and the head of the man standing on the third step from the bottom. Of course, the two points (PM's right elbow and the head of the man below) were in fact about two feet apart, however, Darnell shows the distance as almost a touch. This short distance cannot be reproduced once the figure is moved to the inside of the doorway which would happen by placing Prayer Man with both his feet onto the top landing. Further, Prayer Man's elbow would be about two inches higher in a figure 5'2'' on the top landing compared to someone measuring 5'9'' but standing on the second step. The figure below shows the inevitable two inches increment in the height of the forearms just because standing one step apart (7'') and compensating it by small body height (5'2'' compared to 5'9'') does not yield the same vertical locations of homologous body parts. In case of Mrs. Stanton, we need to add 3'' (this much was she taller than 5'2'') to the 2'' = 5''. The forearm level will be 5'' higher in the figure of Mrs. Stanton posing as Prayer Man compared to Prayer Man we see in Darnell. However, this will move her right elbow even further away from the head of the man standing few steps below. The forearm problems do not end here. Since Mrs. Stanton would be further to the inside of the doorway than Prayer Man standing on the second step her head would need to be aligned with the vertical edge of the aluminum door frame. This can be achieved, however, only on the cost of moving her closer to the wall. Unfortunately, she will move few inches away from the shadow line and the back of her right hand would not reflect the sunlight any longer. So, we would need to move her few inches westwards to have her right hand exposed to the sunlight. However, this will move her away from the plane crossing the vertical line of the door frame. Besides being too tall to be Prayer Man, Mrs. Stanton would not reproduce the distances from other objects in the doorway. I will show some images illustrating Mrs. Stanton as Prayer Man soon. However, this small exercise may be useful to appreciate that Prayer Man's location in Darnell s a tight geometric problem which has only one solution. We are lucky that Darnell and Prayer Man yielded this unique combination of spatial relationships. The problem of Prayer Man's height is closely related to his exact location, and the problem is solvable even if it takes some time.
  17. Michael Clark

    Who was QJ/WIN

    That's this thread. Also, Tim Gratz opens this thread up suggesting Mankel. I guess we are trying to figure out who Mankel is as well.
  18. Steve Thomas

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Paul, This was posted by Bill Simpich in the Education Forum on June 29, 2014: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/10942-who-was-qjwin/?page=3 “I think the documents cited here resolve the identify of QJ/WIN as Jose Mankel (while recognizing that "Mankel" may not have been his true name, as shown in this ARRB memo: https://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=60509&relPageId=3 “ Steve Thomas
  19. Larry Hancock

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Other documents suggest that Roselli actually used the QJ/WIN crypt/account to pay Roselli...up to the point where Roselli was taken out of the Castro assassination project in 1963. The crypt appears to have been used for multiple people over time, just one more layer of cover, more in terms of accounting than payment than operational in the case of Roselli. And operationally it was hidden under ZR/RIFLE
  20. Michael Clark

    Who was QJ/WIN

    Roselli and QJWIN worked together, per Harvey.. https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/157-10004-10136.pdf
  21. Michael Clark

    New document releases 2017

    Also mention, Arnold Silver, Corsican assassins, plans for Lumumba assassination
  22. Michael Clark

    Who was QJ/WIN

    I found another QJ Crypto. It is QJBANNER, and it seems to me that I have seen it before. And QJBANNER-1 is on the MFF list. It was either just added or I overlooked it yesterday. P. 2 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/157-10004-10068.pdf
  23. Robert  Harper

    Jack Ruby Monologue--the beginning

    My notes for Ruby's monologue, started when he starts talking without stop, since I also thought that a monologue, by definition, excluded interactions. Looking at the testimony again, for another section that might hold itself together, I re-read the opening which was transcribed as the group entered the room. Jack is yapping away while his own lawyer and Justice Warren, just want him to calm down and "tell his story." I thought readers might appreciate encountering this sequence which occurred right before the section posted. To assist "seeing" it, other talkers are in small: Without a lie detector test on my testimony, my verbal statements to you, how do you know if I am tell the truth? Mr. TONAHILL. Don't worry about that, Jack. Just a minute, gentlemen. Chief Justice WARREN. You wanted to ask something, did you, Mr. Ruby? I would like to be able to get a lie detector test or truth serum of what motivated me to do what I did at that particular time, and it seems as you get further into something, even though you know what you did, it operates against you somehow, brainwashes you, that you are weak in what you want to tell the truth about and what you want to say which is the truth. Now Mr. Warren, I don't know if you got any confidence in the lie detector test and the truth serum, and so on. Chief Justice WARREN. I can't tell you just how much confidence I have in it, because it depends so much on who is taking it, and so forth.But I will say this to you, that if you and your counsel want any kind of test, I will arrange it for you. I would be glad to do that, if you want it.I wouldn't suggest a lie detector test to testify the truth. We will treat you just the same as we do any other witness, but if you want such a test, I will arrange for it. I do want it. Will you agree to that, Joe? Mr. TONAHILL. I sure do, Jack. Chief Justice WARREN. Any kind of a test you want to verify what you say, we will be glad to do. I want it even if you put me into a sort of drowsiness so you can question me as to anything pertaining to my involvement in this particular act. Mr. TONAHILL. Jack, you have wanted to do that from the very beginning, haven't you? Yes; and the reason why I am asking for that is --- are you limited for time? Chief Justice WARREN. No; we have all the time you want. As it started to trial--I don't know if you realize my reasoning, how I happened to be involved -- I was carried away tremendously emotionally, and all the time I tried to ask Mr. Belli, I wanted to get up and say the truth regarding the steps that led me to do what I have got involved in, but since I have a spotty background in the night club business, I should have been the last person to ever want to do something that I had been involved in. In other words, I was carried away tremendously. You want to ask me questions? Chief Justice WARREN. You tell us what you want, and then we will ask you some questions. Mr. RANKIN. I think he ought to be sworn. Am I boring you? Chief Justice WARREN. Go ahead. All right, Mr. Ruby, tell us your story. That particular morning -- where is Mr. Moore I had to go down to the News Building, getting back to this -- I don't want to interrupt. Chief Justice WARREN. What morning do you mean? Friday morning, the starting of the tragedy. Mr. Belli evidently did not go into my case thoroughly, circumstantially. If he had gone into it, he wouldn't have tried to vindicate me on an insanity plea to relieve me of all responsibility, because circumstantially everything looks so bad for me.It can happen--it happens to many people who happen to be at the wrong place at the right time.Had Mr. Belli spent more time with me, he would have realized not to try to get me out completely free; at the time we are talking, technically, how attorneys operate. Chief Justice WARREN. I understand. Different things came up, flashed back into my mind, that it dirtied my background, that Mr. Belli and I decided--oh yes, when I went to say that I wanted to get on the stand and tell the truth what happened that morning, he said, "Jack, when they get you on the stand, you are actually speaking of a premeditated crime that you involved yourself in." But I didn't care, because I wanted to tell the truth. He said, "When the prosecution gets you on the stand, they will cut you to ribbons." So naturally, I had to retract, and he fought his way to try to vindicate me out of this particular crime.You follow that? Chief Justice WARREN. Yes; I do indeed. I want you to question me and requestion me on anything you want, plus the fact I do want the tests when they are available. Chief Justice WARREN. Yes. On Friday, the morning parade--this goes back to Thursday night, because it has something to do with it.We were having dinner at the Egyptian Restaurant---- Chief Justice WARREN. Right now, Mr. Ruby, before we get started taking your testimony, would you mind being sworn? (Chief Justice Warren and Jack Ruby stand and both raise their right hand.)Chief Justice WARREN. Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give before the Commission will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? I do. Chief Justice WARREN. Now will you please state whether the things you have just told us are true under your oath? I do so state they are the truth . Chief Justice WARREN. Now you complete whatever story you want to tell
  24. Jim: I agree that the shirt situation largely depends on inferences without any hard evidence and on relying that certain testimonies were truthful. While I would not call it evidence, the upper arm above the elbow joint in Prayer Man's figure appears to be quite wide which may be owing to the rolled-up sleeve. It is a subjective perception which many will not agree with and given the lack of details it is difficult to find a judge.
  25. James DiEugenio

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    1. I know for a fact that Hunt's so-called confession was not kosher. I know that because I know the guy who first approached him to address the issue. He worked with Hunt a long time. He told me that he later dropped out of the project along with Costner. This was due to certain demands Hunt made for contractual purposes that Costner did not think he could fulfill. After he dropped out, he told me that what ended up in the so-called confession tape did not at all resemble what Hunt thad told him in all the many months he had worked with him. Also, the article in Rolling Stone about the subject was bunk. 2. Ragano's story about the assassination as related in Mob Lawyer was exposed as false by Anthony Summers in Vanity Fair a long time ago. It is certainly a manufactured tale done to sell books. As we will see below that is a major problem with this case. 3. Barr McClellan's whimsical book deserves no serious discussion as far as the actual circumstances of JFK's death are concerned. Please, Oswald on the sixth floor? Mac Wallace running into Oswald and having him run off flyers in 1962? Oswald shooting TIppit and firing at Walker? Jay Harrison was a good guy who had some very interesting files, but he was wrong about the fingerprint. https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-reviews/mellen-joan-faustian-bargains Barr McClellan was a loudmouthed gasbag who turned out to be a blowhard distraction at the 40th. He was made to order for the other loud mouthed gasbag Alex Jones who promoted him. I am more convinced now than ever that McClellan's diversion was designed in advance. There are people who visit this subject for no other reason than to sell books, stir the pot, and create a publicity diversion. IMO, there have been far too many of them.
  26. W. Tracy Parnell

    Dick Bullock USMC

    But did these witnesses also think he wore glasses?
  27. Evan Marshall

    Alternative Assassins (names)

    People can ID whoever they want but until they can offer evidence of the rifle skills needed to hit the president in moving its all tactical flatulence.
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