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  2. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Police and Sheriff testimony in the Warren Commission Part 6: Dallas County Deputy Sheriff Roger D Craig Deputy Roger Craig, age 27: 4 years as a deputy sheriff, previously in the army, miscellaneous labor jobs, ran away from home age 12 Around noon on 22 November, Craig is standing at 505 Main near the intersection of Houston Upon hearing shots, Craig rushes up the grass to the railroad tracks area, like fellow sheriff employees Boone, Mooney, Weitzman, & Walthers Moved people out of the rail area Craig finds a girl who thinks the shots came from the grassy knoll area; he brings her back to the sheriff's office to make a statement Deputy Craig hears a boy say he saw a rifle with a scope protruding from the 6th floor of the TSBD about "15 minutes" before the president passed by; the boy thought it was a Secret Service guard WC lawyer Belin suggests this "boy" is Arnold Rowland, accompanied by his wife, Barbara Rowland Craig says it was about 10 minutes after the shots when he was talking to the Rowlands According to Arnold Rowland, the rifle is seen at the 2nd westernmost window of the 6th floor Craig suggests Rowland saw 2 men talking/walking in the 6th floor The interrogation of the Rowlands is handed over to Deputy Sheriff Lemmy Lewis Craig says it is 10-12 minutes after the shooting when he leaves the Rowlands with Lewis Deputy Buddy Walthers or Deputy Lewis tells Craig a bullet struck the south curb of Elm St Craig proceeds to the south curb of Elm St About 15 minutes after the shooting, Deputy Craig hears a whistle and sees a man run down the grassy knoll towards Elm St. The unknown man jumps into a white station wagon, proceeding west on Elm under the triple overpass Deputy Craig says the man jumping into the station wagon is in his 20s, 5'8" to 5'9", 140-150 pounds, brown hair The unknown subject running down the grassy knoll was wearing a tan shirt and blue pants The driver of the station wagon had a dark complexion; Deputy Craig though he might be African American The driver of the station wagon who picked up an unknown subject in Dealey Plaza was wearing a white windbreaker, according to Craig Because the station wagon had a built-in luggage rack, Deputy Craig thinks it is a Nash 20 minutes after the shots, Deputy Craig now proceeds to the TSBD, which is now sealed off and guarded "they" were asking for flashlights to search the building; Deputy Craig goes to the sheriff's office to get flashlights, bringing them to the 6th floor WC lawyer Belin asks Craig why he went to the 6th floor; Craig says "someone said" that's where the shots came form Craig sees empty shell casings on the floor, but was not present when they were found a "couple minutes" previously Deputy Craig sees a sack rolled or crushed up on boxes near the found shell casings Deputies Mooney and Boone are also near Craig, near the shells - along with unknown DPD officers Craig is asked to search the floor and starts in the northeast corner; he is about 8 feet from Deputy Boone when Boone says he found the rifle <<<who seems so sure the rifle will be found on this floor???>>> Deputy Craig has "no idea" what time the rifle was found DPD Captain Fritz and DCSO Deputy Mooney are hanging around the rifle, along with several other unknown officers At this point, Deputy Craig remembers hearing a police officer was shot in oak Cliff Craig says photos were taken of the rifle as found, then the DPD "identification man" picked up the rifle and handed it to Captain Fritz Deputy Craig does not recall any information about a missing employee Craig returns to the sheriff's department office and gives a statement to Rosemary Allen, along with "all the officers" "information was floating around" that DPD was trying to connect the Oak Cliff shooter with the JFK assassination Deputy Craig calls to meet Captain Fritz at DPD headquarters because Craig feels the unknown subject getting into the white station wagon may be connected to the crimes that day Craig meets with Fritz and [Oswald]* in Fritz's office Deputy Craig identifies [Oswald]* as the man he saw getting into a white station wagon shortly after the shooting According to Deputy Craig, DPD Captain Fritz asks Craig "what about the station wagon?" The suspect [Oswald]* interrupts and says "That station wagon belongs to Mrs. Paine. Don't try to tie her into this. She has nothing to do with it." The suspect in Frtiz's office [Oswald]* admits to leaving the scene [Dealey Plaza], according to Craig Deputy Craig then leaves Craig leaves DPD headquarters Deputy Craig offers that "it came up later" that Mrs. Paine has a Nash Rambler wagon with a luggage rack on top; this information was provided by Buddy Walthers Deputy Craig says he talked to now railroad workers around Dealey Plaza WC attorney Belin returns the discussion to the information Deputy Craig obtained from the Rowlands Deputy Craig says the Rowlands saw white men, one possibly wearing khakis, talking to each other on the 6th floor by a window; one had a rifle The Rowlands saw other people on other floors of the TSBD looking out windows, according to Deputy Craig Craig reiterates that the Rowlands saw two men talking on the 2nd to westernmost 6th floor window; then noticed a few minutes later that it was just one man with a rifle Deputy Craig is now shown Exhibits 150, 156 & 157 - and asked to say whether the clothing matches that worn by the man he saw running down the grassy knoll towards the Rambler shortly after the assassination Deputy Craig says the color of clothing he is shown in Exhibits 150, 156 & 157 is slightly similar but not a perfect match to the clothing worn by the man getting into the Nash Rambler Deputy Craig says he never discussed a bus transfer ticket with Sheriff Decker that was found in Oswald's pocket upon arrest Deputy Craig affirms that he "feels like it was" the same man in Fritz's office who he saw running down the grassy knoll to the Nash Rambler. * presumably Oswald is the man sitting in Fritz's office, although this is not made clear in the WC testimony CONCERNS: Deputy Roger Craig offers two points in Warren Commission direct testimony drastically in conflict with the final Warren Report: (I) the placement of a rifleman on the far WEST area of the TSBD 6th floor, and (II) the strong suggestion Oswald escaped Dealey Plaza in Ruth Paine's station wagon Deputy Craig runs to the same area upon hearing the shots as all the other sheriff's deputies - the train track area. Are they in a herd mentality? Or directed there? While Mooney, Boone, and Weitzman leave the railroad track area and go to the TSBD and the 6th floor without explaining why they did so; Craig instead starts interviewing witnesses in Dealey Plaza. He shows up later on the 6th floor, after the shells are found, but before the gun is found. the Rowlands' eyewitness sighting of a rifleman at the TSBD's 6th floor's western windows, reported by Craig, is in direct contradiction to the "sniper's nest" found by Deputy Boone at, the EASTERNMOST windows the Rowlands' eyewitness sighting of 2 men at the TSBD's 6th floor western windows, one with a gun, 10-12 minutes before shots were fired, suggests conspiracy Deputy Craig's retelling of what the Rowlands' saw is hearsay. The correct primary source for the alleged facts from the Roawlands is from the Rowlands themselves. Pinpointing the timing of Craig's movements is key to compare with the timing suggested by other deputies on the 6th floor Deputy Craig's identification of Oswald in Captain Fritz's office is strong, but not perfect If Deputy Craig is correct in everything he says in this testimony, there is no other conclusion but that there is a conspiracy involving Dallas police officers - since they immediately claimed a sniper's nest in the easternmost TSBD 6th floor windows although a rifleman was seen in a westerly window. Craig mentions statements taken by Rosemary Allen which should be compared to WC testimony and other sources Deputy Sheriff Lemmy Lewis should be able to collaborate or cast doubt on Craig's retelling of the Rowlands' story. Overall, Deputy Roger Craig is way out of sync with the other sheriff deputies testimonies, except he does somewhat corroborate how and when the gun was found on the 6th floor
  3. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    https://drive.google.com/video file/David Belin & Robert Blakey/Sept. 1981 http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2010/01/david-belin-march-1992.html
  4. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    DVP is here to remind us the government is benevolent and NEVER lies to its people... He never met Allen Dulles or John McCloy....
  5. Swan-Song -- Math Rules

    StationC location for JFK "within the limo", on the extant Towner film, is inside the green box. It is superimposed over a graphic from Myers (multi-film sync project) to give you an idea where it lands in relationship to the Towner designated splice.
  6. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    And yet, even though the brother-and-sister team (per some CTers) was framing LHO for the President's murder, they EACH decided to remain steadfast and firm when it came to their "27 inch" or "about 2 feet long" measurements regarding the brown paper bag that THEIR OWN PATSY was carrying on November 22nd. Doesn't add up for those CTer requirements, of course. But what does add up is this..... Oswald positively took a bulky paper bag into work with him on 11/22/63. -- plus: -- Oswald lied to Wes Frazier about the contents of that paper bag. -- plus: -- Both Frazier & Randle observed Oswald carrying a long, "bulky" brown paper bag on the morning of President Kennedy's assassination. -- plus: -- After the assassination, Oswald's rifle turns up missing from its KNOWN storage location of Ruth Paine's garage. -- plus: -- An EMPTY 38-inch-long paper bag (similar in color to the bag seen by Frazier & Randle) turns up in the TSBD's Sniper's Nest, from where an Oswald-like individual was seen firing a RIFLE at JFK's car. And the empty bag has--Voila!--Oswald's prints on it. With one of the prints--the right-hand palmprint--perfectly matching the way Wes Frazier said that Oswald carried the bag. And fibers matching the blanket in Paine's garage are found inside the empty bag as well. -- plus: -- At 1:22 PM CST on November 22nd, Oswald's RIFLE (Serial Number C2766), with Oswald's own prints on it, was found on the same floor of the TSBD where the empty paper bag was found. -- plus: -- Oswald, from the weight of all the evidence, carried NO PACKAGE at all out of the Depository when he left the building at approx. 12:33 PM on 11/22/63. -- equals: -- Lee Harvey Oswald carried his Carcano rifle into the Depository on November 22, concealed inside a homemade paper bag (the length of which was incorrectly estimated by witnesses Frazier and Randle), with Oswald then leaving the empty paper bag (with his prints on it) underneath the window from where he fired the shots that killed President Kennedy. Any other alternative scenario that differs greatly from the above version of events cannot hold up to any kind of scrutiny (or common sense) at all.
  7. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    David, I'm frankly astonished someone here is criticizing you instead of criticizing the one every day, all day long insulting you and your excellent work
  8. Moderators - please teach how to ignore

    Now all we need for total mayhem is a graph of who got ignored most.
  9. New Walt Whitman Novella unearthed by literary archaeologist

    Here is the online PDF. https://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2251&context=wwqr
  10. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    That's exactly the question you need to be asking people like Jim DiEugenio and Ian Griggs, who think Frazier just MADE UP the whole paper bag story from whole cloth. But if that was so, then why on Earth would Frazier (and his sister too, who was also a big fat l-i-a-r, per DiEugenio) want to claim that his MAKE BELIEVE bag was TOO SHORT to hold the thing that was obviously supposed to go into that bag--LHO's gun? It makes no sense from the POV of the CTers who think the bag was a pure invention. But from my POV, all I need to believe in is that Buell Frazier was simply mistaken about some things relating to the bag. He didn't scrutinize the bag, he didn't measure it. And he admitted in 1986 that Oswald might have carried the bag in a different (non-armpit) way on 11/22.
  11. New Walt Whitman Novella unearthed by literary archaeologist

    Have you read it yet, Michael? -- TG
  12. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    I have no doubt he believes he wrote on paper related to the assassination... trouble is, DAY saying so doesn't make it so... More importantly Dave... connect the bag to Oswald, the rifle and the ride to work... Now my favorite part.... The closest person to that bag NOT in the DPD is WESLEY... his sister claimed it to be 27.5" long (2 feet 3.5 inches). Why is your star witness telling us this bag could not possibly hold a 34" rifle and metal parts...?? Spin this from FRAZIER Dave... We'd agree the paper to wrap books is much thicker and sturdier than a grocery store paper sack... Why is Wesley here describing a LITTLE SACK as opposed to a three and a half foot heavy paper and thick tape (ever see tape on a lunch sack?) or the rattling of the rifle parts as they drove to work? Mr. BALL - What did the package look like? Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I would just, it is right as you get out of the grocery store, just more or less out of a package, you have seen some of these brown paper sacks you can obtain from any, most of the stores, some varieties, but it was a package just roughly about two feet long. As for people telling their version of the truth... you're never drinking from that trough despite being led to it repeatedly... we understand. https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-on-november-22-1963 you might read this and give some thought to the few days prior to the 22nd and his GRAND PLAN...
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  14. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    More lies here....right David J.? .... Mr. BELIN. I will now hand you what has been marked as Commission Exhibit 626 and ask you to state if you know what this is, and also appears to be marked as Commission Exhibit 142. Mr. DAY. This is the sack found on the sixth floor in the southeast corner of the building on November 22, 1963. Mr. BELIN. Do you have any identification on that to so indicate? Mr. DAY. It has my name on it, and it also has other writing that I put on there for the information of the FBI. Mr. BELIN. Could you read what you wrote on there? Mr. DAY. "Found next to the sixth floor window gun fired from. May have been used to carry gun. Lieutenant J. C. Day." Mr. BELIN. When did you write that? Mr. DAY. I wrote that at the time the sack was found before it left our possession. Mr. BELIN. All right, anything else that you wrote on there? Mr. DAY. When the sack was released on November 22 to the FBI about 11:45 p.m., I put further information to the FBI reading as follows: "FBI: Has been dusted with metallic magnetic powder on outside only. Inside has not been processed. Lieut J. C. Day." ------------------------------------- As for when LHO constructed his handmade CE142 paper bag ---- It's just a guess (since Oswald didn't deign to tell us this info before Ruby shot him), but I'd guess he made the bag at the Paine house (in the garage) on Thursday night, 11/21. (The light was left on in the garage that night, remember. Or was Ruth Paine lying about that too?) I would have been interested in searching the Paine trash cans to see if maybe some scraps of brown paper were discarded by Oswald on 11/21. But, AFAIK, there wasn't a search of Ruth Paine's trash containers. (Was there? I don't think there was.)
  15. New Walt Whitman Novella unearthed by literary archaeologist

    The Univerity of Iowa Press has published Walt Whitman's lost Novella, "Life and Adventures of Jack Engle” https://www.uipress.uiowa.edu/books/2017-spring/life-and-adventures-jack-engle.htm
  16. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    no David, it does not... if the Chain begins and ends with DAY, there is a serious problem with Custody since he says he left it there for two other men who both do not take responsibility for it... Help us out here Dave... where have you ever seen Day's writing on CE142? And why renumber ce142 to ce636 after the FBI treats it for fingerprints? CE626 below, inverted... where is Day's writing again? I can see it on the "replica" in the post above and on the scrap of paper... I'm not saying they lied... just that whatever it was in that corner, it had nothing to do with Oswald, a trip in Frazier's car or a rifle... when you can make those connections, let us know... btw, answer one simple question.... When did he make the bag and bring it home... ?
  17. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    @David J. --- There weren't "so many different bags around". There were just 2 -- Oswald's original (CE142) and the one "replica" bag (CE364). CE677 isn't a "bag", of course. It's just a piece of sample paper from the TSBD. So I have no idea why that would be included in your "bags montage". Anyway, all of the bags that you, David Josephs, think are "different" bags are, in fact, the very same CE142 bag. And Lt. Carl Day's handwritten message and signature on the CE142 bag pretty much "authenticates" it (as far as I'm concerned). Much the same way that Lt. J.C. Day's name being scratched into the stock of the Carcano rifle will forever authenticate (to my satisfaction) the fact that the CE139 rifle was definitely the one and only rifle found on the 6th floor of the Book Depository. The chain of possession for the rifle, in fact, pretty much BEGINS and ENDS with Lt. J.C. Day, since that rifle never left his possession up until 11:45 PM CST on 11/22. What more do CTers want as far as "chain of custody" for the rifle? It was a perfect "1 person" chain on 11/22/63. It can't possibly get any better than that from a "minimizing the chain of possession" standpoint. You, of course, require more "authentication" for everything. Much more. But nothing would ever satisfy your "authentication" needs. Would it, David? You can admit it. The great thing about my stance as far as ALL of the JFK case evidence is concerned is the fact that I, as a "Lone Nutter", don't require ANY liars within the Dallas Police Department (or the FBI, or the Secret Service, or the Warren Commission, or the HSCA, etc., etc.). Whereas, you, David Josephs, if your various theories about the evidence being tainted are true, require MANY different liars within all of the above-named law enforcement agencies and investigative organizations. You require at least FOUR liars within the DPD with respect to just the "paper bag" issue alone (Studebaker, Day, Montgomery, and Johnson). But, in my opinion, when a theory requires so many alleged liars and "cover-up" agents, I think it might be time to consider abandoning the Conspiracy ship. But it seems that many CTers adhere to a policy that is just the opposite. They seem to like the motto: The More Liars, The Better. (Go figure.)
  18. Swan-Song -- Math Rules

    Something like this: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/22692-swan-song-math-rules/?do=findComment&comment=372136 https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wBURGPKHRQGA9VpeUhLic6LRe2OEYgnS/view?usp=sharing
  19. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    How many different bags were needed Dave? Dave... look at something OUT OF THE CORNER OF YOUR EYE.... Now tell us you haven't a clue what you saw... he was asked half dozen times if he was sure he did see Oswald and did not see anything in his hands... this is the best you can do "authenticating" the evidence? David... you did not authenticate anything at all. Instead you focus on something that does not change a thing... So let's try to focus Dave... Get the bag: Made, brought to Irving, put the disassembled rifle in it, retrieve said bag and rifle and clip and ammo Friday morning, bring it all over to Frazier, put it in the backseat of the car and only take up 2 feet (Frazier testimony), take it again and walk unnoticed with it into the TSBD, hide it somewhere, retrieve it, reassemble the rifle, load the rifle, align the scope, and be ready to fire when JFK arrives... Talking to me about Dougherty and his inability to SEE is kind of lame Dave.... but I can see that's the best you got... 2nd page, the FBI needed to change DAY's statement about the paper being the same... replica K2, despite using the same paper dispenser, did NOT have the same characteristics as the "original"... nor was it like ANY of the paper at the TSBD, and the TAPE was the wrong size and it too didn't match... So once again David... AUTHENTICATE THE BAG as real evidence - that it was actually in the corner, ever in MONTGOMERY's hands and why there are so many different bags around Only a LNer could take this, combine it with the length and Frazier's lies about what he sees as Ozzie walks away and conclude the man put a 40" bag in the backseat of Frazier's car... Mr. BALL. When you went down there what did you find? Mr. HICKS. Lieutenant Day--well, first I saw Chief Lumpkin, who told me Lieutenant Day was there in the building and to report to him on the sixth floor, I believe it was and he and Detective Studebaker, I believe it was were the two that were still on that particular floor. Mr. BALL. Day and Studebaker? Mr. HICKS. Yes. Mr. BALL. Did you do some work with them? Mr. HICKS. Yes; there was--well, no. Lieutenant Day was dusting several items around there for fingerprints at the time and Mr. Studebaker had taken some pictures and was still taking a few others. I assisted him in moving the equipment back and forth and I don't know, I don't believe I actually took any of the pictures upstairs; however, I was there when some of them were taken.
  20. New Walt Whitman Novella unearthed by literary archaeologist

    Interesting post, Michael. My little anecdote: George Whitman (R.I.P.) who owned Shakespeare and Company bookstore in Paris, and who let me stay there for 3.5 weeks in late 1993, claimed to be a / the grandson of Walt Whitman. -- TG
  21. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    David, Playing Devil's Advocate again: "Either that, or to sell it to Gerry Patrick Hemming." -- TG
  22. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    Even though no picture of the large brown paper bag was taken by the Dallas Police that shows the bag in the Sniper's Nest, there were multiple police officers who testified that they DID see a paper bag lying on the floor in the southeast corner window on the sixth floor before the bag was picked up. Four of those officers are: L.D. Montgomery [7 H 97] Robert Studebaker [7 H 143-144] J.C. Day [4 H 267] Marvin Johnson [7 H 103] Should I believe that all 4 of the above officers were liars with regard to the "large paper bag" topic? It's fairly obvious, of course, why conspiracy theorists like Jim DiEugenio and Ian Griggs and David Josephs (et al) feel the need to distance themselves from the reality concerning that brown paper bag. Because if those conspiracists were to actually face the stubborn truth about the bag (with that truth being: it was Lee Harvey Oswald's homemade bag and Oswald carried his rifle, inside that bag, into the Book Depository Building), then those conspiracists would be forced to admit that their precious "patsy" had probably taken that gun to work in order to shoot somebody with it on the day President Kennedy came to town. What other reasonable and logical conclusion could anyone come to after they've admitted to themselves the obvious truth -- that Lee Oswald did, in fact, walk into the Texas School Book Depository on November 22, 1963, with a rifle wrapped in brown paper? Re: Jack Dougherty..... I noticed that David J. left out this important part of Dougherty's WC testimony.... Dougherty said he only saw Oswald enter the back door "out of the corner of my eye" [6 H 377]. Therefore, why would Dougherty have been expected to notice anything in Oswald's hands? He could have easily missed seeing the package because he wasn't really LOOKING at Oswald at all. And yet, to hear conspiracy theorists tell it, Dougherty is a rock-solid witness whose testimony positively PROVES Oswald never had any package with him on 11/22/63. It's pathetic.
  23. Does everyone know what these pics are about?

    DVP - please offer the authentication for that bag... Chain of Custody or whatever you like... but get it from workbench to Irving to the garage, to the Frazier's to the TSBD and beyond... and then explain to us why this man is lying about what he saw. I'll start with finding and taking the bag.... Montgomery is the man holding the bag and photographed in front of the TSBD - yet he did not pick up the rifle bag.... Mr. BALL. You found the sack in the area marked 2 on Exhibit J to the Studebaker deposition. Did you pick the sack up?Mr. MONTGOMERY. Which sack are we talking about now?Mr. BALL. The paper sack?Mr. MONTGOMERY. The small one or the larger one?Mr. BALL. The larger one you mentioned that was in position 2.Mr. MONTGOMERY. Yes.Mr. BALL. You picked it up?Mr. MONTGOMERY. Wait just a minute no; I didn't pick it up. I believe Mr. Studebaker did. We left it laying right there so they could check it for prints. How about the men on the 6th floor ? Mr. BELIN. Did you take it down to the station with you?Mr. DAY. I didn't take it with me. I left it with the men when I left. I left Detectives Hicks and Studebaker to bring this in with them when they brought other equipment in. Mr. STUDEBAKER. It was doubled - it was a piece of paper about this long and it was doubled over. Mr. BALL. How long was it, approximately? Mr. STUDEBAKER. I don't know - I picked it up and dusted it and they took it down there and sent it to Washington and that's the last I have seen of it, and I don't know. Mr. BALL. Did you take a picture of it before you picked it up? Mr. STUDEBAKER. No. Mr. BALL. Does that sack show in any of the pictures you took? Mr. STUDEBAKER. No; it doesn't show in any of the pictures. Mr. BALL. Did you ever see a paper sack in the items that were taken from the Texas School Book Depository building? Mr. HICKS. Paper bag? Mr. BALL. Paper bag. Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I did not. It seems like there was some chicken bones or maybe a lunch; no, I believe that someone had gathered it up. Mr. BALL. Well, this was another type of bag made out of brown paper; did you ever see it? Mr. HICKS. No, sir; I don't believe I did. I don't recall it. Fingerprints Dave? Seems quite a lot turns up after all the items are returned from DC and the FBI lab.... Mr. BELIN. Did you find anything, any print of any kind, in connection with the processing of this?Mr. DAY. No legible prints were found with the powder, no.Mr. BELIN. Do you know whether any legible prints were found by any other means or any other place?Mr. DAY. There is a legible print on it now. They were on there when it was returned to me from the FBI on November 24. (really the 26th) Maybe someone saw Oswald enter that morning? Mr. BALL - Did you see him come in the door?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; I saw him when he first come in the door--yes. Mr. BALL - Did he have anything in his hands or arms? Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, not that I could see of. Mr. BALL - Did he come in with anybody?Mr. DOUGHERTY - No.Mr. BALL - He was alone?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes; he was alone.Mr. BALL - Do you recall him having anything in his hand? Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I didn't see anything, if he did.Mr. BALL - Did you pay enough attention to him, you think, that you would remember whether he did or didn't?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Well, I believe I can---yes, sir---I'll put it this way; I didn't see anything in his hands at the time.Mr. BALL - In other words, your memory is definite on that is it? Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes, sir.Mr. BALL - In other words, you would say positively he had nothing in his hands?Mr. DOUGHERTY - I would say that---yes, sir. Mr. BALL - Or, are you guessing?Mr. DOUGHERTY - I don't think so.Mr. BALL - You saw him come in the door?Mr. DOUGHERTY - Yes.Mr. BALL - The back door on the first floor? Mr. DOUGHERTY - It was in the back door.
  24. Swan-Song -- Math Rules

    I can't help but notice how the limo appears to move sideways thru these frames... Chris - do me a favor... for T146, above, can you please show us where TOWNER IS in the Zfilm, as this is being filmed? Below I've highlighted where the curb was in relation to the limo's position... We also never see the slowing and hard left back to the center, in Towner... (or Hughes or Bell for that matter)
  25. Swan-Song -- Math Rules

    Something to keep in mind, 1" = 10ft The thin blue lines = 10.2ft The PositionA pivot down to the Robert West path = 5.3ft That total distance of 15.5ft = the (StationC- 234.5 to Station-250.0 (SE sniper window edge) =Towner filming position. Anyhow, back to frame counting.
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