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  1. I think we're looking at supra-national/supra-institutional entities involved in Guns-Oil-Drugs.
  2. The Corsicans in 1963 dominated the production of heroin but not its distribution. The Sicilian-American Outfit along with their blue-blood WASP allies dominated the distribution of heroin, and moved the center of opuim production from Turkey to the Golden Triangle. Eventually the opium fields in Turkey were shut down and the "French Connection" of Corsican narcotics traffickers smashed.
  3. More on the Underhill Scenario from Martin Blank: You ask: "So how did the tools and talents developed by Bill Harvey for ZR/RIFLE and Operation MONGOOSE get exported to Vietnam? Kennedy immediately ordered (William R.) Corson to find out what had happened and who was responsible. The answer he came up with: “On instructions from Averell Harriman…. The orders that ended in the deaths of Diem and his brother originated with Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge’s own military assistant.” The CIA got involved in Vietnam in 1950 as CIA officers moved to French Indochina as a part of the legation of the United States in the city of Saigon. After their arrival, CIA involvement expanded to a new large base in Hanoi. I doubt Harvey had a monopoly on these methods and skills. you say: Harriman/Bush were in on the drug trade and used those State-Department-upsetting CIA operations cowboys for gun/dope running? remember what gary underhill said: Only hours after Kennedy was shot, CIA agent Gary Underhill left Washington, D.C., and drove to the home of friends on Long Island, N.Y. Underhill says he fears for his life and he must leave the country. "This country is too dangerous for me. I've got to get on a boat.Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the president! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did.They've gone made! They're a bunch of drug runners and gun runners-a real violence group.I know who they are. That's the problem. They know I know. That's why I'm here.'' The friends offered Underhill sanctuary but he left, never to return. Six months later, he was dead, a "suicide.'' The bullet was in his left temple. Underhill was right-handed.
  4. He doesn't express Dulles-involvement as an opinion, but as an unchallengeable fact. Don't get me wrong, Talbot's done excellent work, I'm a fan -- but his fingering Dulles as the heavy in the Kennedy assassination as a fact is unsupported by historical facts regarding personages more powerful than Dulles-Angleton-Harvey combined, and who may have acted in a supra-institutional channel a la the Corson Scenario.
  5. On the broader subject of Death Squads also consider the crew who assassinated Fred Hampton -- the Chicago PD Red Squad. How many big city police departments featured Death Squads? Back to the subject of Allen Dulles -- a couple of questions -- What did Dulles have to gain by arranging the murder of JFK, besides revenge? What did Allen Dulles have to lose by arranging for family friends of his girlfriend to host the Oswalds? Seems to me he had more to lose than gain. On the subject of James Jesus Angleton -- looks to me like he screwed the pooch. I speculate his job was to arrange the murder of Lee Harvey Oswald and frame Fidel Castro for the Kennedy hit. He had two top psy-op guys as lieutenants -- Edward Lansdale and David Phillips. But the plot failed when Oswald was captured alive, which put a whole lot of Agency connected guys in the patsy chain -- Ruby,and Tippit foremost -- with Howard Hunt and Allen Dulles in line to go down if the Agency were exposed with their fingerprints all over the patsy.
  6. From his base in Rome did William Harvey organize a Corsican crew to whack Kennedy? From his base in Saigon did Lucien Conein organize guys who'd run guns to the Chinese Kuomintang (KMT) in Laos, and ran dope out of Burma/Laos, to whack Kennedy? Only a Pet Theorist would say only one of those was possible.
  7. My best guess is Lucien Conein brought in a crew who'd run guns and dope with the KMT in Laos. a/k/a the Gary Underhill Scenario. From Larry Hancock's Someone Would Have Talked, pg 496: <quote on, emphasis added> [Former CIA employee Gary] Underhill's concern was that he had become aware of a "clique" within the CIA--a clique dealing with weapons and gun-running and making money. These individuals had Far Eastern connections, narcotics was mentioned, supposedly the clique was manipulating political intrigues to serve their own ends. Underhill believed that these individuals had been involved with JFK's murder; he felt that JFK had become aware of their dealings and was about to move against them in some fashion. He also believed that members of the clique knew that Underhill was aware of their dealings and that his own life could well be in jeopardy. <quote off>
  8. David Lifton posited a scenario where Dulles was asked if he knew of anyone in the Dallas area who would host the family of an asset. Dulles sent them to the Paines -- Michael Paines mom was tight with Mary Bancroft, Dulles' girlfriend. IF that occurred, would Dulles have made the hook-up if he'd known that the asset was going to be a Commie killer of the President? I'm convinced Oswald was set up as an agent of Fidel -- if that frame had succeeded wouldn't the Paines have faced far more intense scrutiny? Harvey used drug traffickers whose services were not restricted to Harvey.
  9. In The Devil's Chessboard David Talbot describes how Col William Corson was sent on a "wild goose chase" soon after the JFK murder. Why would the top perps arrange to have Corson distracted? Joseph Trento, The Secret History of the CIA, pgs 334-5: <quote on, emphasis added> Who changed the coup into the murder of Diem, Nhu and a Catholic priest accompanying them? To this day, nothing has been found in government archives tying the killings to either John or Robert Kennedy. So how did the tools and talents developed by Bill Harvey for ZR/RIFLE and Operation MONGOOSE get exported to Vietnam? Kennedy immediately ordered (William R.) Corson to find out what had happened and who was responsible. The answer he came up with: “On instructions from Averell Harriman…. The orders that ended in the deaths of Diem and his brother originated with Harriman and were carried out by Henry Cabot Lodge’s own military assistant.” Having served as ambassador to Moscow and governor of New York, W. Averell Harriman was in the middle of a long public career. In 1960, President-elect Kennedy appointed him ambassador-at-large, to operate “with the full confidence of the president and an intimate knowledge of all aspects of United States policy.” By 1963, according to Corson, Harriman was running “Vietnam without consulting the president or the attorney general.” The president had begun to suspect that not everyone on his national security team was loyal. As Corson put it, “Kenny O’Donnell (JFK’s appointments secretary) was convinced that McGeorge Bundy, the national security advisor, was taking orders from Ambassador Averell Harriman and not the president. He was especially worried about Michael Forrestal, a young man on the White House staff who handled liaison on Vietnam with Harriman.” At the heart of the murders was the sudden and strange recall of Sagon Station Chief Jocko Richardson and his replacement by a no-name team barely known to history. The key member was a Special Operations Army officer, John Michael Dunn, who took his orders, not from the normal CIA hierarchy but from Harriman and Forrestal. According to Corson, “John Michael Dunn was known to be in touch with the coup plotters,” although Dunn’s role has never been made public. Corson believes that Richardson was removed so that Dunn, assigned to Ambassador Lodge for “special operations,” could act without hindrance. <quote off> Harriman was an employer. Dulles, Angleton and Harvey were employees.
  10. Sure about that? He went down to Virginia after the assassination, iirc. And he set up family friends of his girlfriend to host the Oswald family? Dulles' nuts were in a vise after the JFK assassination given the Bancroft-Paines-Oswald connection -- no wonder he was the most diligent cover-up man!
  11. By 11/22/63 there were at least 3 Death Squads working within the National Security State, probably over-lapping to an extent. -- CIA Harvey's ZRIFLE, Charles Siragusa's "Operation Underworld" crew in the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, and CIA Technical Services Staff's MKNAOMI. To claim that only Harvey, Angleton and Dulles had command of these resources is baseless.
  12. Apply the negative template: what is left out of the above analysis of SE Asian commodity markets? Opium. In the 50's heroin was weaponized, flooded into minority urban communities in a mass exercise of eugenics. Apply the negative template: what is commonly left out of Vietnam war analyses like Jim's here? Kennedy's policy in Laos.
  13. Fair to middlin'. Reading Mae Brussell in The Realist was the beginning of my second "education" which continues to this day. I think Sheehan is one of the great heroes of the 80's.
  14. Joe, I also find the Prouty/Krulak ID of the right-shoulder-drooped Ed Lansdale compelling. What I don't find compelling is the notion that anyone directly involved with the murder of JFK would still be hanging out in Dealey Plaza two hours later. I find compelling the notion that Ed Lansdale was part of a piggy-back operation designed to kill Oswald and frame Castro. It would make sense in such a scenario that he'd be in Dealey to bring the back-up patsies in from "the cold." #1 contingency blame Oswald/Castro conspiracy. #2 contingency blame a Lone Nut. #3 contingency blame a bunch of right wingers like E. Howard Hunt and Charles V. Harrelson. Hunt took the fall for Watergate; Harrelson went down for the murder of Judge John H. Woods. Career patsies? Were they wearing a patsy jacket on 11/22/63 and Lansdale had to go down to Dealey to dismantle the frame? http://newcombat.net/Conversation/angleton-helms-memo-re-hunt/