Kathleen Collins

Wim Dankbaar, I'd like your opinion of the Karyn Kupcinet murder, Nov. 28, 1963. The motive: to get back at her father for something. (Also to steal methamphetamine.) She did not have foreknowledge of the assassination, but was killed to hurt Irv Kupcinet, in my opinion, Chicago columnist, who was looking into the Ruby connection to the assassination; and also to send a message to other journalists. Do you think her death was related to the assassination? Kathy

Mr Simkin, do you think it's possible Karyn Kupcinet was murdered in 1963 to hurt her father Irv Kupcinet? I have read her autopsy. All the damage was done to the left side of her neck. I believe she died as a result of a karate chop to the neck. She did not have foreknowledge of the assassination. I think she was killed to hurt her old man. I'd like your opinion. Kathy

Members: I want everyone to know here that I just was in contact with Rich DellaRosa. He never wrote those emails and told Terry to publish them. He didn't know what I was talking about. Terry spoiled the Ted Kennedy thread with attacks against me and tried to tell me Rich said awful things about me. He says he didn't and that he would never tell anyone to post something on another person's forum. She is pathetic. And as I said before, the schoolyard bully who can dish it out but can't take it. I did nothing to her on this Forum. Except exist. I'm glad I was able to straighten out that Rich never called me names, never wrote those emails, and especially, never signed them "Love, Rich." Kathy

Kathleen Collins has every right to post on whatever thread she wants. It is not helpful to call other members "Schiz". *********************************************************** Fine, John. I apologize, to you. Hopefully, you can get her to stay on her meds. But, I call it for what it is. If you've brought her on board as a way of getting me to leave, fine, because you've succeeded. As I've stated once before, I've been thrown out of better places than this one. Good luck, to you. Terry, no one wants you to leave. I have always tried to bury the hatchet with you. I told you I was against you leaving Rich's forum. I thought it had gone too far. Rich told me you were calling him up everynight around 10:30 pm and screeching at him and he had had it. Neither one of us is perfect. I do not want to argue with you or anyone. I posted this because you objected to me sending you a Personal Message. Kathy ************************************************************ "Terry, no one wants you to leave. I have always tried to bury the hatchet with you. I told you I was against you leaving Rich's forum. I thought it had gone too far. Rich told me you were calling him up everynight around 10:30 pm and screeching at him and he had had it." I have nothing more to say to you, or this forum. Those whom I consider to be part of my circle of friends, colleagues, extended family, and those researchers I've always looked to as my mentors, know where to find me. Lisa Pease gave me some good of advice two years ago at a seminar we attended together, and that was to avoid getting involved with the forums. And, your presence here, seems to drive that point home more accurately than ever. Rich encouraged me to post the e-mails he sent to me, on this. I've x'd out his e-mail address for privacy purposes. Richard DellaRosa <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Ter. Shelby forwarded this to me: "Does Rich DellaRosa know you're so close to Judyth now?" Tell her (if you wish) that I am aware of most things on the net and that I have always supported your research efforts and always will! Love you, Rich And, Richard DellaRosa <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Ter. Go ahead and do it. The thing that irritates me the most is that she doesn't care how stupid she acts or sounds. She is obstinate and argumentative and insists she is correct about everything--not even close. Love, Rich I was just in touch with Rich DellaRosa. He claimed he didn't know what I was talking about, he never said the above things. He's trying to heal after a fall which shattered his left arm. He doesn't want to get into it with you. You're such a xxxx. I am rarely argumentative or obstinate. Anyone who knows me can tell you that. But go out with a blast. How shameful to say someone said such terrible things and told you to publish it on this Forum. This is the trouble you cause. Stop being so Goddamned jealous. Kathy

Kathleen Collins has every right to post on whatever thread she wants. It is not helpful to call other members "Schiz". *********************************************************** Fine, John. I apologize, to you. Hopefully, you can get her to stay on her meds. But, I call it for what it is. If you've brought her on board as a way of getting me to leave, fine, because you've succeeded. As I've stated once before, I've been thrown out of better places than this one. Good luck, to you. Terry, no one wants you to leave. I have always tried to bury the hatchet with you. I told you I was against you leaving Rich's forum. I thought it had gone too far. Rich told me you were calling him up everynight around 10:30 pm and screeching at him and he had had it. Neither one of us is perfect. I do not want to argue with you or anyone. I posted this because you objected to me sending you a Personal Message. Kathy ************************************************************ "Terry, no one wants you to leave. I have always tried to bury the hatchet with you. I told you I was against you leaving Rich's forum. I thought it had gone too far. Rich told me you were calling him up everynight around 10:30 pm and screeching at him and he had had it." I have nothing more to say to you, or this forum. Those whom I consider to be part of my circle of friends, colleagues, extended family, and those researchers I've always looked to as my mentors, know where to find me. Lisa Pease gave me some good of advice two years ago at a seminar we attended together, and that was to avoid getting involved with the forums. And, your presence here, seems to drive that point home more accurately than ever. Rich encouraged me to post the e-mails he sent to me, on this. I've x'd out his e-mail address for privacy purposes. Richard DellaRosa <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Ter. Shelby forwarded this to me: "Does Rich DellaRosa know you're so close to Judyth now?" Tell her (if you wish) that I am aware of most things on the net and that I have always supported your research efforts and always will! Love you, Rich And, Richard DellaRosa <xxxxxxxx.xxx@xxxxxxx.xxx> wrote: Ter. Go ahead and do it. The thing that irritates me the most is that she doesn't care how stupid she acts or sounds. She is obstinate and argumentative and insists she is correct about everything--not even close. Love, Rich I was just in touch with Rich DellaRosa. He claimed he didn't know what I was talking about, he never said the above things. He's trying to heal after a fall which shattered his left arm. He doesn't want to get into it with you. You're such a xxxx. I am rarely argumentative or obstinate. Anyone who knows me can tell you that. But go out with a blast. How shameful to say someone said such terrible things and told you to publish it on this Forum. This is the trouble you cause. Stop being so Goddamned jealous. Kathy

Terry, do what you want. I don't care what your problem is, Rich's problem, I have enough problems. I still maintain that he suffered catastrophic illness and has changed. I saw it with my brother after his stroke. He began to hate his best friend of 40 years. Funny, Rich never had anything good to say about you. Kathy

I think the book says Harvey went to Russia and Harvey was shot by Ruby. There is a CD that comes with the book. As well as documents, the CD has photos of LHO. Harvey and Lee both resemble each other. The book says Lee was on the 6th floor of the TSBD and was shooting from there to frame Harvey. Kathy

May I quote from Seth Kantor's book The Ruby Cover-Up? "The new local labor organization was dominated by Paul J. Dorfman... In his book The Enemy Within, Robert Kennedy wrote: 'By 1949, Jimmy Hoffa was looking for a powerful ally. He found it in Paul Dorfman. Dorfman was a big operator, a major figure in the Chicago underworld, who also knew his way around certain labor and political circles. Dorfman took over the head of the Chicago Waste Handlers Union in 1959 after its founder and secretary-treasurer was found murdered.'" I quote this because Chicago columnist, Irv Kupcinet's daughter was murdered in West Hollywood on Nov. 28, 1963. She, in my opinion, was killed to send a message to Irv and other columnists what will happen if they investigate the murder of President John F. Kenney. Additionally, Irv was an outspoken Zionist -- another motive? When he heard that Ruby shot Oswald, Kupcinet got on the phone immediately to Paul Dorfman to ask about their mutual friend, Jack Ruby. "Sparky would never do that," he said. Dorfman didn't even know (supposedly) that Ruby had killed Oswald. Four days later, Kupcinet's daughter, Karyn, was, in my opinion, hit by a karate chop to the neck, choked and suffocated by person or persons unknown. I always believed it was a hit ordered by the Chicago Mob, namely Dorfman, Giancana or Tony Accardo. This is a photo of Karyn circa 1961. Use the zoom tool to enlarge the picture. Thank You. Kathy Karyn_beautiful.pdf

I'm lazy. I'd like to read your summary OK, when I get to it. Kathy

It's kind of interesting, I'm reading Anthony Summers', "Conspiracy." In it, he says that all of the job applications filled out in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 by a person claiming to be Lee Oswald listed his height as 5'9" tall. Oswald's Marine records listed him as 5'11" tall. I just read Oswald's autopsy report in the DPD Archives. LHO's height was given as 5'9". DPD Archives Box 2 Folder# 5, Item#'s 2 and 3. Interesting. Steve Thomas Hi Steve, The quote you attributed to me isn't mine. I think Wim said it. Regardless, I agree with the quote. And I also agree that there were many LHO impostors running around filling out job applications, trying to buy cars, going to Mexico... and so on. I just don't believe in the premise that there was a second LHO for the duration of the first LHO's life. Instead I think the CIA sent some random hacks to use the real LHO's name at significant times in the months prior to their murder of the President, to set him up as the patsy. For example, to take target practice. Myra Well, thank you Myra. I looked at it with a different point of view. But Armstrong has done meticulous research. Everytime Norton was supposed to be someplace, he was gone by the time Armstrong got there. I understand Armstrong has stopped his research. I hope this stuff about Donald O. Norton being in FL and having the same number addresses gets back to Armstrong and he'll take up his research again. Donald O. Norton is an arm's length away. If you go to my blog thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com starting in the Feb 06 archives, you'll find more about Norton. Kathy

The man you described was gay and a piano player/entertainer. He wasn't too tall and he went by the name Donald P. Norton. He said he was blackmailed into doing things for the CIA. Maybe in the polygraph test there was a lot he didn't want to tell. Donald O. Norton lives 2 hours away from me in Florida. I had read a rumor that he had left Avon Park. Instead I found 2 residences for him and 1 doctor's office. All 3 buildings have 1006 as their address, like 1006 W. Pleasant St and 1006 Lake Anoka Ave, etc. I find he's in the fly-fishing and boat chartering business. It seems he's trying to fit into his community. But years ago he came up to conspiracy theorist Mae Brussel and asked her in front of witnesses if she knew who he was. She said, "Yes, you're Lee Oswald." The Norton Bros both have red hair. The brother was in Army Intelligence. I think they asked Donald O. to impersonate someone named Lee Harvey Oswald. Maybe his looks didn't matter and maybe he didn't know what he was getting himself into. John Armstrong has done an amazing amount of research on this guy. But none of it's released. Do you have an opinion on why he has 3 addresses in one town, all bearing the number 1006? The buildings are not near one another, so it's not like sharing an address with Guy Banister and LHO, for example. What is he doing? Kathy

Mr. Dankbaar, do you believe in the theory that there were 2 men using the identity of "Lee Harvey Oswald"? Namely, Harvey and Lee. Have you read John Armstrong's book, Harvey and Lee? And if you have read it, what is your opinion? Do you know anything about Donald O. Norton? Kathy

I was a banishee from Rich's site. We were very good friends. But he suffered catastrophic illness. I can't talk about it. But I thought he was my best friend. Nothing more than that. I'm saying this because I like Jack White and always supported his work. I have a link to one of his sites on my blog. thecloakofdarkness.blogspot.com. I just want to make sure I'm not included as one of the banishees who persecutes him. He has always been very professional in his responses to me and he keeps a reserved distance, which I respect. Kathy

I agree or at least they should get a notice; and if it continues and someone complains, please have someone (Andy?) read the posts, determine who the aggressor is, and decide if it's offensive. Then you should think about banning. Personally, I don't like being called names. I think the nastiness of Bill Miller et al towards Jack White is cause for banning, though I always believe in a second chance. But that's something you should determine. It's like a member who disagrees or dislikes someone and knows, say, that that person is a homosexual, and initiates an attack on him, addressing him as: "Queer bait" or "faggot" on the forum." That kind of behavior shouldn't be allowed. But in my opinion, people should be given a second chance. Kathleen Collins

The technique of infamy is to start two lies at once. and set people arguing which one is true. Hitler as pathetic neurotic bedwetter v Hitler as unprecedented mega-murderer. One does not have to be very smart to realise the limited value of this discussion as a contribution to historical understanding - or to notice that it deftly positions all 'acceptable" views of Hitler somewhere between sissy and monster, with no other points on the compass. I know Mailer may be despised here because of Oswald's Tale. He failed to uncover the fact that there were 2 men sharing LHO's identity. Or maybe he did uncover it, but thought it best not to publish this possible discovery: He mentions Oswald being taken out of the Texas Theater by a riot of cops. And a merchant in his backyard at the same time seeing 2 cops taking away Oswald. He does not explain it. Just leaves it at that. And the wonderful Marilyn book. Did he unwittingly please the CIA elements by mentioning Monroe's alleged affairs with the Kennedys? Or was it done purposely? The following year saw The Life and Curious Death of Marilyn Monroe by Robert F. Slatzer (dead 2 years). The Oil Barons' dream. Slatzer has Robert Kennedy in Monroe's house the day she died. However, I will read Mailer's novel on Hitler, as I love his writing and his imagination. As I do Gore Vidal's. Kathy

It is my opinion that Ted is not speaking out because of death threats against members of the Kennedy family. What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family. I think Ted has done a great job for his constituents and the United States as Senator all these years. Kathy ____________________________ "What do you think of the death of John Kennedy Jr? It's just pure evil against that family." Hi Kathy. I agree with your premises. I would like to ask for any references, other than what has been provided on this thread so far, you can list regarding the JFK Jr. death in terms of links, articles, etc. I'm quite interested and I am sure others here would be, also. Kudos to Myra. Most have forgotten the airplane crash in Western Massachusetts in 1964 - less than a year after the JFK assassination - in which Ted nearly was killed. The pilot and one of Kennedy's aides were killed. Thank you. JohnG John, about the murder of John Kennedy, Jr, I received most of my information from a professional report that tomflocco.com published. It's a must read and is fascinating. I haven't been to his site in awhile, but somewhere he'll have it. Findadeath.com has a photo of John Jr. being loaded on the boat. I can't see how Ted could have survived that sight. Robert Cutler wrote a book on Ted Kennedy and I believe in that book the author says how he was set up by the CIA. E. Howard Hunt and Frank Sturgis were seen in Martha's Vineyard that weekend -- conversation with Rich DellaRosa of jfkresearch.com. There was a boat Regatta or race that weekend. Kathy

I agree. Check out jfkresearch.com to order it. Kathy

The author doesn't take it into consideration that there were 2 men sharing the same identity. The picture he shows looks to me like it had a different head on it because of the marks on it under Oswald's chin. Not everyone is aware of the book, Harvey and Lee by John Armstrong. Kathy

The single most shameful and contemptible post I've yet seen on an assassination website. Thank you for telling me the guy was serious -- Bill Miller. It just came out of nowhere. A nasty swipe. I wasn't sure whether it was a joke. I don't think Jack White deserves that. I consider him a buddy, in a way. I have a link to some of his work on 9/11 on my blog. I hope he never had a stroke. My brother did and is handicapped. There is so much infighting in the Kennedy Research Community. Kathy

What do you mean by your post above? Are you being derogatory about Jack White? Kathy

Kathleen Collins has every right to post on whatever thread she wants. It is not helpful to call other members "Schiz". *********************************************************** Fine, John. I apologize, to you. Hopefully, you can get her to stay on her meds. But, I call it for what it is. If you've brought her on board as a way of getting me to leave, fine, because you've succeeded. As I've stated once before, I've been thrown out of better places than this one. Good luck, to you. Terry, no one wants you to leave. I have always tried to bury the hatchet with you. I told you I was against you leaving Rich's forum. I thought it had gone too far. Rich told me you were calling him up everynight around 10:30 pm and screeching at him and he had had it. Neither one of us is perfect. I do not want to argue with you or anyone. I posted this because you objected to me sending you a Personal Message. Kathy

I just found my source. It comes from the paperback version of Ultimate Sacrifice by Lamar Waldron and Thom Hartmann. "Almeida's "palace coup" set for December 1, 1963, was to be backed up by US forces "invited" in by Commander Almeida, then Chief of the Cuban Army. However, three Mafia bosses being targeted by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy used several CIA assets to infiltrate the secret plot and murder JFK. This resulted in cover-ups by officials like RFK and LBJ, to prevent the exposure of Almeida and a possible nuclear confrontation with the Soviets. The new edition explains why Almeida was not a double agent, why Fidel suspected Almeida's ally Che Guevara, and what Fidel did in 1990 when he finally found out about Almeida's work for JFK." The paperback book has more photos, documents and testimony. Kathy

I will post whenever and wherever I please. You will not control me. I would just like to know: Does Rich DellaRosa know you're so close to Judyth now? I thought she was debunked. A word to the wise, forego your harrassment. It'll never get you anywhere. This thread was on Ted Kennedy, not about you and your petty hatreds. I have a higher power too, you know. Kathy

Researchers believe Kennedy's brain was in a container, which was buried with him when he was disinterred in 1967. This was done at night time and there were hundreds of National Guardsman protecting the cemetery. When he was buried, Jackie arrived and there was a major Catholic clergyman there and a little service. Pictures exist of Ted Kennedy and Bobby Kennedy and the priest. Kathy

I read recently, either on this site or another, that Bobby couldn't chase after his brother's killers because the info would come out that they planned to assassinate Castro on Dec. 1, 1963. He didn't want that potential deed known about his brother (and himself too). Also, Bobby Kennedy was told the name of Castro's assassinator: Lee Harvey Oswald. Ted has a worse problem, in my opinion. If he goes after the killers, not only will it expose "The Bay of Pigs," as Nixon referred to the Kennedy Assassination, but they will kill a member of his family one after the other. I think that's what happened to John Jr. (tomflocco.com) A curious thing I read recently was that Senator Ted Kennedy couldn't arouse government divers until the next day. He said, "I'm a United States Senator!" But they wouldn't come out and look for John Jr. Also, when John Jr died, George W. Bush was nowhere to be found that whole weekend -- 3 or 4 days. That I heard on blackopradio.com with Len Osanic. The author might have named his book, "Like Father Like Son." He felt GHW Bush killed Kennedy and his son killed Kennedy's son. Kathy