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  1. Paul, I have gone over that time and time again trying to find something real in it, most recently with Russ Baker who was looking to find something substantive on it and to date neither of us has and it seems like DISC is largely a myth. Certainly the FBI would have had internal security responsibilities under the Industrial Security Act of 1957 and more recently there is an agency with something of a similar name. If you find anything on it outside the Torbett document and the conspiracy community let me know. There is a DISCO which stores security and backround records on contractors but that is a far different thing.
  2. David if you want to get away from that sort of sensationalism I would recommend the following book which relates some of the really nasty stuff that was done - but keeps it within the realm of reality. https://www.amazon.com/Spying-America-Domestic-Counterintelligence-Program/dp/0275934071/ref=mt_hardcover?_encoding=UTF8&me=
  3. Kostikov was thought significant to be under full time surveillance both inside MC and during his travels. And given that any senior Soviet officer at any residency had a political action role as well as other duties both the FBI in MC and the CIA were interested in him. The only question would be whether he was operationally involved in things like sabotage and we do know that the residency there was a cut out for agents like Tumbleweed. And certainly Phillips may well have been trying to get at Lechuga - and others with Oswald. Bill Simpich has turned up a host of evidence showing programs targeting virtually everybody within the Cuban organizations in MC - supported by personnel not just from MC but from JM/WAVE..
  4. Ron, first its Ernie Lazar who just posted after I had messaged him for information. I consider Ernie our resident expert on the FBI. As you can see from his post Division 5 is probably best described as domestic intelligence focused on national security issues including espionage, subversion and sabotage - and at times also tasked with "loyalty issues". I suspect they are the ones who also do background checks for security clearances such as the early AEC Q clearances and individual clearances for the military, government personnel etc. My reference to counter intelligence in regard to the CIA was to the CIA CIA groups, not just Angleton's mole hunting people but CI information that would come from the various geographic "desks" of the Agency such as the Russian desks. I do know that Angleton was a liaison on that but its unclear how active he was, he appears to have done nothing on Tumbleweed (which is mentioned in SWHT 2010 but not sure where off the top of my head), Since I'm in this thread now I would also toss in that if one is looking at Underhill and mysterious Golden Triangle connections Henry Hecksher had far more time and clout in the Golden Triangle than Lucian Conein, being assigned there for some very special activities after being essentially forced out as Station Chief in Laos over his conflicts with State there. Given that he had worked in MC during the Cuba project and had been assigned to head AM/WORLD, in direct charge of Artime and his people - including Felix Rodriquez - that's a very interesting place to look. And he is in SWHT and also Shadow Warfare.
  5. I'm sure Ernie could give you chapter and verse on it far better than I but basically the function was very real, officially it would be referred to as the counter-intelligence division, charged with domestic activities countering foreign agents, their surrogates and addressing both potential subversion and sabotage. That would separate its activities from routine investigation of the violation of federal statures and criminal investigations. My impression is that at the field office level agents could serve in all three roles at times depending on manpower availability but there certainly was a "subversive" beat. Which makes it very interesting as to what Hosty was talking about in telling the SS agent that Oswald had been observed with "subversives". It would probably imply that an agent monitoring such targets (lets say something like Cuban exiles planning attacks on Cuba) would have seen Oswald come into view during the surveillance. Another example would be the Tumbleweed thing, where CIA handed off a Soviet asset coming from Europe to the US and then doing interesting subversive things in the US as well as crossing into Mexico for unknown purposes - something we have learned very little about.
  6. Not having Ramon's energy levels I have to pace myself - so I'll just say its good to see him get some recognition! Being on the history side of the fence I have my own crops to cultivate but its most encouraging to see him working in the science and technology field.
  7. Jim, for some factual context to the missions being referenced I suggest the following: The Secret War Against Hanoi by Richard Schultz The Way We Do Things, Black Entry Operations Into North Vietnam by Thomas Ahern Black Ops, Vietnam; The Operational History of MCVSOG by Richard Gillespie The are all factual and I used them all in researching and writing Shadow Warfare as well as covering the links between the DeSoto missions and the seaborne raids on N. Vietnam which are both related to the Tonkin Gulf incidents. They might help with your question - I certainly don't see where Nixon fits into it all.
  8. There is indeed Chris...I bring that up in SWHT (see page 390/391) although its in a couple of places. I'm not sure I would call them plots though. There appear to have been at least two sanctioned military missions involving sniper attacks or some sort of ambush of Castro prior to the Bay of Pigs. One apparently involved Felix Rodriquez. Those were very serious operations and somebody went to a lot of effort to keep it covert. One of the things that makes Wheaton's story so important is that it was just the two people he mentions - Jenkins and Quintero - who had trained or been in training with some of the key suspects in the Dallas attack. And who were later involved in Contra activities. When you put that together with RFK's call the afternoon of the assassination to Artime's people (Quintero was his second in command and Felix was on his team) it continues to take you to the same set of individuals. Its one of the few places where all the pieces can be proven to fit together.
  9. Wheaton did not name the names he heard discussed as having been involved in Dallas. He did name the individuals he was associated with at the time he heard the Dallas names in reminiscing sessions - that was Jenkins and Quintero, who he indeed was provably associated with at the time. Wheaton was very firm about not doing anything beyond trying to get those two to offer statements to the government since they would have held the actual information and would have been able to substantiate it while he could not. Wheaton was indeed a source for Sheehan but things began to go off the rails shortly afterwards because he had been warned that he would be "poisoned" as a credible source for trying to get the two on record and sure enough that smear campaign did occur. If you have the 2010 version of SWHT this is all discussed in some length. I also go into the overall Contra/drug smuggling thing is another kettle of fish entirely. .
  10. Ooops...sorry, I used the admin link by mistake...try this: https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/
  11. Those familiar with Gene Wheaton's story, and others, may be interested in my current blog post on him, the vetting of him as a source and William Law's interview with him. Its on my blog at https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/
  12. Glenn, I don't consider it negative - just factual, they are still in the same place they were fifty years ago and the embargo still undermines one of the major strengths this nation has in foreign affairs, that of projecting its free economy and open culture. Its amazing that we continue to default on the leverage of our most fundamental assets as a nation. I don't think of it as negative or as a partisan stance, I just think of it as unproductive and frankly just sad....you can't reach people thorough closed doors.
  13. I think that's right David and actually other than his original gambling wire job for the syndicate I don't know that he had much to do with it as an entity, he was working for individual guys - connected true, but on their individual projects not anything common. His strongest connections were with investors on the east coast looking to move money west and launder it in legal investments and with Meyer Lansky who appears to have become his long time mentor. His dealings with folks like Giancana were on individual projects and investments and of course in typical style how to leverage contacts and information. Roselli was connected nationally and pretty politically savvy - including connections to DC lobbyists and influence peddlers such as Irving Davidson. Of course before LA he had worked for godfathers including Capone in Chicago but in that regard he was a hired hand. It was his relative independence, very unusual in those circles, which made him something special and gave him the power to do negotiations, otherwise he would always have been suspect. In that regard he was something of a loner in one respect, holding himself apart - of course not from the ladies or the fleshpots of LA and Vegas.
  14. OK David, its hard to compress a rather lengthy chapter into a few paragraphs but here you go: By the time Roselli arrived in Los Angeles he was in transition from street hood to enforcer, moving out of the rackets per se into gambling and running protection for games in LA, most importantly the high dollar off shore gambling ships. At that point he took his first syndicate job, putting a major racetrack gambling wire into operation. That gave put him in touch with a number of east coast mob money guys and brought him to the attention of Meyer Lansky, who became his real behind the scenes mentor. Lansky was so impressed with Roselli he used him in Cuba to clean up some of the most egregious casino problems which were embarrassing the gambling industry there – Roselli had learned how to get people’s attention without leaving bodies strewn all over the place. For him it was about deals and deal making. Back in LA, he used his east coast connections to bring big money into investments in the entertainment industry, a good way to launder cash – and he figured out ways to frustrate the movie industry unions while at the same time making money off the industry. The FBI was always frustrated by LA and Roselli; it was a city that used outside money to make more money rather than producing it through typical street crime (at least in his era). With his entertainment connections, his money connections and his backing by Lansky, Roselli was in a great position to broker deals in gambling and entertainment as Vegas grew, his business card described him as a strategist and he helped folks like Giancana put casinos into Vegas. And he brokered his influence with entertainers and entertainment, Roselli made money off investment deals, and legal sidelines such as casino services. By the time you get to 1960 he had been gone from the street for a very long time, he knew people and he was trusted since he provided services and competed with none of the godfathers or with the syndicate. Was he a mob guy, sure, but a very different type of mob guy. He was special in terms of the Castro plot because he had worked in Cuba, had connections to the old casino crowd there and also knew folks who still had channels into Cuba via the exile community in Florida – specifically Trafficante. And up to that point in time he was known as the type of guy who could bring people together and ensure nobody talked. If the CIA was going to use criminal assets to operate inside Cuba, he was a great choice for making the right introductions that was his real attraction. That was really all there was to it, another agreement to make introductions, hook up people and get a deal done – which is really all he did for the CIA if you really dig into it. It’s just that he did it twice, the second time for William Harvey – who clearly found him as a kindred spirit, Harvey always went full bore into anything he did, a really intense guy, and the same thing could be said for Roselli. Roselli just dressed a lot better.
  15. Geno, honestly my notes and research on Vinson are far in the past and buried deeply. Are they somewhere in file cabinets and stacks of appears in my garage, yes. But I never wrote them up because I was never convinced it was worth it, like many of the others leads and sources I tossed after investigation. As to the disconnects, I made (and still have in some notebook) copious notes of the interview that his lawyer showed at the Lancer conference. It referred to people he had contacted by rank and name and included a particularly mysterious visit to a Congressman on an armed service committee who he claimed took a call while he was in his office and he overhead a discussion of warning JFK not to go to Dallas - yet another major coincidence. Yet when his book came out I didn't see a discussion of what seemed to be a big deal in what I had seen in the video. There were other more minor things but I did make up a list of them after book, sent them to his lawyer because Vinson asks for comment in the book - and could never get a response. For someone to go that public and then write a book and refuse over a number of years to even discuss it or deal with contradictions and issues always makes me skeptical. The issue of his SR-71 assignment is another story in itself but its well established that assignment to that project required special clearances and investigations from the military, the CIA and very possibly from the FBI. I would have liked to discuss that with him but never got the chance..