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  1. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, First of all, great work on finding this story by Marion Meharg. I've never seen it before. I will, for the sake of argument, admit the plausibility that SOMEBODY ran from the North Loading dock of the TSBD -- and into a two-tone Chevy station wagon -- and sped away. That is certainly possible. There is also a fair chance that it was the same scene that Deputy Roger Craig saw -- and he believed that person looked the same as Lee Harvey Oswald. In fact -- there is also some chance that it actually was Lee Harvey Oswald AND AN ACCOMPLICE. Let me stipulate that it was, for the sake of argument. By the way -- I believe that Oswald actually did exit the rear dock of the TSBD, minutes after the encounter with DPD motorcycle cop, Marrion Baker. I totally discount the "Lone Nut" legend that Oswald took a bus and a taxi from the TSBD. I regard that as a fiction created by the FBI and DPD. I have held that conviction for many years. HOWEVER -- on the other side -- I have a problem with this testimony by Marion Meharg. He then ascribes in his "memory," that the license plate number was the same as that of his wife -- and so the Chevy was the same one that his wife owned. And so, we observe this Oedipal fantasy in his mind -- probably the result of alcoholism. So -- although I accept that Meharg saw a man jump into a station wagon and speed away -- the details are obscured for us because of the pathetic nature of his "memory." NOW -- let us turn to Deputy Roger Craig. I will also stipulate that he saw the same scene -- but just like Marion Meharg -- Roger Craig steps on his own story. I totally discount Roger Craig's elaboration on this story -- that he personally encountered Lee Harvey Oswald inside the officer of Captain Will Fritz, and provoked Oswald into exclaiming, "That station wagon belongs to Ruth Paine -- you leave her out of this!" First, Captain Fritz is befuddled by the story. Of course he would recall what happened inside his own office! Would Captain Fritz expose himself to the charge of lying if he had no superlative reason? Of course not. Secondly, if the DPD cops and Deputies are coordinating their stories, then why is Roger Craig trying to make himself into a central figure in the JFK saga? Therefore, I do accept that Lee Harvey Oswald exited the rear of the TSBD building and jumped into a station wagon driven by an accomplice who was dark skinned -- perhaps a Cuban or a Mexican-American (e.g. David Morales or Larry Howard) -- and sped away. HOWEVER, I reject accept the "elaborations" told by both witnesses. They added stuff. Meharg added a fantasy about his wife. Roger Craig added a fantasy about Ruth Paine (and he most likely heard about Ruth Paine from another Dallas Deputy, e.g. Buddy Walthers). So -- in a sad twist of fate -- both witnesses were 50% truthful, but their "elaborations" canceled their true history. There's my opinion. Finally, Jason, great work on finding this story by Marion Meharg. I've never seen it before. All best, --Paul
  2. There is a weak consensus among CTers that since Lee Harvey Oswald did not shoot at JFK, then he "could not have" shot at General Walker, as if there is some real connection between the two. I have maintained for six years on this Forum that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't one of the JFK shooters -- nevertheless, he certainly was one of two shooters at General Walker. My material evidence for this claim, ironically, comes from General Walker himself, in a letter he wrote to Senator Frank Church in 1975. Here is the letter: http://www.pet880.com/images/19750623_EAW_to_Frank_Church.pdf It is precisely because of the content of this letter that General Walker tracked Lee Harvey Oswald from April 1963 through November 1963, including the Mexico City episode. General Walker, I propose, planned both the deaths of JFK and of Lee Harvey Oswald to occur on 11/22/1963. All best, --Paul
  3. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Thanks for your detailed summary and analysis of DPD Inspector Sawyer's testimony. As I noted, I'm very cautious about naming anybody as a JFK conspirator, so let me first give Sawyer the full benefit of every doubt, and see what shakes out. My basic theory is that perhaps 10% of the Dallas Lawmen at Dealey Plaza were involved in the JFK plot, but they relied on the DPD culture of conformity and comradery of their fellow Lawmen to cover their story. So, I will review your review, while presuming that Sawyer is merely a dupe of JFK plotters. 1. The first question in your review that jumps out at me is this: WHO FIRST NAMES THE TSBD, OFFICIALLY? 1.1. The answer is in the radio log -- the time is 12:35. The DPD officer was Clyde Haygood. His eye-witness was an unnamed white male. Witness claimed the shots came from the TSBD. 24. 142 (Patrolman C.A. Haygood) I just talked to a guy up here who was standing close to it and the best he could tell it came from the Texas School Book Depository Building here with that Hertz Renting sign on top. 12:35 24. Dispatcher 10-4. Get his name, address, telephone number there - all the information that you can from him. 12:35 p.m. 2. Arriving at the TSBD, Inspector Sawyer seems clueless. "Some" officers confirm shots came from TSBD. "Some" officers accompany him to 5th floor. Seeing nothing there, he returns to the ground floor to seal off the building. 3. Given 12:35 as a suggestion to go to the TSBD, and given that Sawyer had to drive a car there (1.5 minutes) and spent another 3.5 minutes wandering up and about the 5th floor and back down. I count 5 minutes of lost time, making 12:40 the very first minute when Sawyer supervised the TSBD building seal-off. 3.1. That was the same minute we have of Buddy Walthers on the South Lawn of Dealey Plaza, when he claims Lawmen were aimless and uncoordinated, until he ordered them to invade the TSBD. 4. WC witnesses from Washington DC will blame the DPD for a deplorable slowness in sealing off the TSBD, thus letting Oswald escape. 5. I refuse to accept that the TSBD was sealed off by 12:37. 6. I do accept that Inspector Sawyer set up a system to move witnesses to the County Jail as he boasts. 7. I do accept that at 12:44, Sawyer broadcast a description of the wanted man, based on an eye-witness, as his best guess, namely, 5'10", age 30, weight 165, carrying a 30-30 Winchester. 8. Sawyer says he doesn't remember times or names -- but he agrees 100% with the DPD radio transcript. This is a safe position. 9. As for Charles Givens, a Black TSBD employee with a record, Inspector Sawyer did seek him -- but the timing is crucial -- this was AFTER the search was on for Lee Harvey Oswald (around 1:15) and AFTER the rifle had already been found. 10.0. As for your concerns, Jason: 10.1. Inspector Sawyer's specific time points support the DPD radio log, which confirms the bulk of his own WC testimony. 10.2. The DPD radio log says that the TSBD was cited as early as 12:35. Sawyer was correct. Eye-witnesses named the TSBD. This was better than Sheriff Decker, who had already passed the triple underpass when he gave his order. 10.;3. Besides -- Decker only commanded his own men (the Deputies) to go to the railroad yard, and as we have seen, all his available men went there. Decker had no authority to command the Dallas Police. They had their own chain of command. 10.4. The fact that Sawyer fruitlessly wastes time on the 5th floor TSBD may be innocent -- he was plausibly clueless and in shock -- and reacted before gathering his five senses and duty. 10.5. Sawyer does not mention Captain Fritz or Sheriff Decker at TSBD, because they didn't arrive until after the shells were found (ca. 1:12 pm) and he was the one in charge at the TSBD from about 12:40 to 1:10. They simply were not there 10.5.1. Also, Sawyer did not report to them -- he reported to Jesse Curry, who never came to the TSBD. So, Sawyer was in charge for the DPD. 10.6. The Winchester rifle was merely the guesswork of one of the eye-witnesses. 10.7. The pride of Inspector Sawyer was that he organized the routing of eye-witnesses to the County Jailhouse for questioning and affidavits. 10.8. Sawyer says nothing more about any filming from the DalTec building, because that was above his pay grade. The Secret Service controlled that, period. He didn't care further. 10.8.1. Either that -- or Sawyer knew that there was a shooter at the DalTec, and he knew that the filming story was a cover, and he blamed the Secret Service for the cover. 10.8.2. It is interesting to me that he specifically names Forrest Sorrels as the agent in charge -- because I personally believe that Forrest Sorrells was one of the JFK plotters. 10.9. When Sawyer downplays the Grassy Knoll witnesses, he is arguably only conforming to the wishes of the DPD and the WC. 10.10. When Sawyer said the shooter had "been there awhile," he was arguably repeating what others said. That seems to be Sawyer's modus operandi -- just echo others. 10.11. IMHO, Sawyer wants to emphasize his racist belief that all crimes have Negroes behind them, so he emphasized Charles Givens, a TSBD worker who was missing when Oswald was missing. Then, after Roy Truly defended Givens as a loyal worker, Sawyer de-emphasized it by claiming that a Negro DPD officer had arrested Givens for questioning. It's not important to the JFK solution, IMHO. 10.12. The 165 pound shooter was the guesswork of an eye-witness. Sawyer just echoes. 10.13. Sawyer wishes everyone will believe that he really locked down the TSBD before 12:45, but that is a dream-wish. 10.14. There was a 12:35 DPD broadcast about the TSBD, as we have seen above. In my opinion, Jason, the WC testimony of Inspector Sawyer is arguably innocent, but he gives us a good Timeline for evaluating the testimony of other TSBD witnesses. Sawyer was slow and barely competent under the circumstances. (As Walt Brown would say, the shooting of a Dallas police officer was far more important to the DPD than the shooting of JFK.) All best, --Paul
  4. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, While it's plausible that the Warren Commission (WC) was earnestly considering both sides of the Lone Nut theory of Lee Harvey Oswald (that is what they claimed in their brief "Warren Report" summary of the WC Hearings and Exhibits) in my opinion, however, I believe that the WC was putting on a show of considering both sides. These questions were not spontaneous -- they were planned and even coordinated with many witnesses before the hearings. There was no cross-examination. This is why it is important that that we find any contradictions at all. The problem for the WC was that the Dallas and Fort Worth newspapers had, by January 1964, already published every single theory about the JFK Assassination that was available by then (most of those we still talk about today) and the Warren Commission had no choice but to DISCUSS every single one, and then CONFIRM or DENY. This is stated explicitly in the Warren Report. Such was the case with Roger Craig. He was given many chances to change his story -- but like a grammar school dropout, he refused to do so. Very well then, he would get the job of any grammar school dropout adult -- grocery bagger and grocery cart collector. The FBI memo you cited showed that although Captain Fritz knew of Roger Craig's story long in advance of his WC testimony, Fritz still didn't like hearing about it on the stand. It is like the Sylvia Odio story. It discusses the possibility that Lee Harvey Oswald had accomplices -- but also smashes her theory to smithereens. The same happened with Roger Craig. That was not objective legal questioning -- that was leading the witnesses to the biased conclusion. That's how I see it. Now -- I am not arguing that Roger Craig was telling the truth. I will later argue that Roger Craig was disliked by most Sheriff Deputies -- had at most one friend in the Department (not a Deputy) -- and his lack of education left him as the low man on the totem pole at every turn. In my opinion -- Deputy Buddy Walthers was the high man on the totem pole, and he coordinated all the Deputy stories, as far as possible. He also gave Roger Craig a story to tell -- about Ruth Paine in particular. But as the Deputies' story changed by necessity, Roger Craig was not bright enough to realize that he had to change his story -- so he stubbornly refused -- and so he himself had to be discarded. That's my current thinking on Roger Craig. Who kept changing the Deputies' story? Bill Decker and Will Fritz, surely -- but in coordination with General Walker. That's what I'll seek to show. All best, --Paul
  5. Sandy, Would you kindly cite one example of what Marina Oswald told the WC, within her thousands of answers tp thousands of questions, that you believe is a Big Lie? Marina's testimony -- plus the testimony of her mother-in-law, Marguerite Oswald -- forms the core of this case against LHO as a wife-beater. What material evidence do you have against Marina? Thank you, --Paul Trejo
  6. Moderators - please teach how to ignore

    I highly recommend the IGNORE feature of this Forum. I myself have *several* posters set to IGNORE, and I enjoy the Forum so much more. I also agree with Eddy here. If by some accident, 1% of their posts turns out to be interesting, somebody else will quote it, and then I have the option to decide for myself. It is indeed a Blockbuster feature. Highly recommended. All best, --Paul
  7. Michael Paine dies at 89

    I repeat my hope here that Michael Paine left a memoir about his JFK Assassination period. The vain hope that some people have that everything about a person should or could be found inside WC testimony is always ludicrous. Just because Michael Paine didn't tell the WC that he saw the inside and the ousted of Oswald's tiny apartment doesn't mean it never happened. Michael Paine did not volunteer everything that happened with Oswald -- he simply and calmly answered the precise questions that the WC attorneys asked. In a sense -- we can blame the WC attorneys for the paucity of information we have -- because they failed to ask sufficient questions. The amazing thing is that they asked Ruth Paine over five thousand questions (that's not an exaggeration) and yet they asked Michael Paine so few questions. Case in point -- the Backyard Photographs. They bear the stamp, IMHO, of Lee Harvey Oswald working at Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall (JCS) which had superb photographic equipment. It was at JCS that Lee Harvey Oswald forged many items of Fake ID for Alek Hidell -- his alias. Marine card, vaccination card, on and on. It seems likely to me that Oswald was fired from JCS precisely because he was wasting time with his personal Fake Photo projects. In any case, the old CIA-did-it CT took a shot to the head when Michael Paine told Gus Russo and Dan Rather that he saw LHO's BYP on 4/2/1963. A true Blockbuster. The CIA-did-it CTers are still reeling to this very day. What can they do but deny it, and claim yet another CIA conspiracy? All best, --Paul Trejo, MA
  8. Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?

    We still owe a debt of gratitude to New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, who, in 1968, revealed to America all the research he had been doing in New Orleans regarding Lee Harvey Oswald's activities there in the summer of 1963. It was Jim Garrison who revealed that the New Orleans chapter of the FPCC wasn't a bona fide chapter, but a Fake FPCC. Jim Garrison also showed that the filming of Oswald on the streets of New Orleans as an alleged "Communist," was staged by the same people who helped Oswald set up this Fake FPCC there at 544 Camp Street. History will remember Jim Garrison -- with all his faults -- as one of the true American heroes of the JFK CT saga. All best, --Paul Trejo, MA
  9. I perceive a new interest in the CT that the Radical Right in Dallas was behind the JFK assassination. This would include such WC witnesses as General Walker, Robert Alan Surrey, Revilo P. Oliver, Bernard Weisman, and possibly included Dallas officials, Will Fritz, BIll Decker, Jesse Curry, Buddy Walthers, Harry Holmes, James Hosty, Forrest Sorrels, Earle Cabell and others in their company. Such a theory would attempt to harmonize with Jim Garrison and Joan Mellen's identification of a dozen people in New Orleans, including Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Jack S. Martin, Fred Crisman and Tommy Beckham. Also implied are Rightist elements in the South including Joseph Milteer, Billy James Hargis, Ed Butler, Carlos Bringuier and Kent Courtney. It would also include people who have already confessed, such as Frank Sturgis, Howard Hunt, David Morales, Roscoe White, Loran Hall, Gerry Patrick Hemming and Lee Harvey Oswald. As a starting point, the recent book by Dr. Jeffrey Caufield, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015) is presented. Regards, --Paul Trejo
  10. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Thanks for your hard work analyzing the WC testimony of Dallas Deputy Roger Craig. You already see many of the anomalies. His changing his story about the bullets is another anomaly. Also, the fact that he was (1) fired from the Sheriff's office for speaking with Jim Garrison and Penn Jones Jr; and (2) met a violent death after multiple attempts on his life; make his story more interesting. Yet perhaps the most important part of his story, for these purposes, is that the DPD police and Sheriff's department denied his WC testimony. Here is the testimony of DPD Captain Will Fritz: Mr. BALL. Roger Craig stated that about 15 minutes after the shooting he saw a man, a white man, leave the Texas State Book Depository Building, run across a lawn, and get into a white Rambler driven by a colored man. Mr. FRITZ. I don't think that is true. Mr. BALL. I am stating this. You remember the witness now? Mr. FRITZ. I remember the witness; yes, sir. Mr. BALL. Did that man ever come into your office and talk to you in the presence of Oswald? ... Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; I am sure he did not. I believe that man did come to my office in that little hallway, you know outside my office, and I believe I stepped outside the door and talked to him for a minute and I let someone else take an affidavit from him. We should have that affidavit from him if it would help. Mr. BALL. Now this man states that, has stated, that he came to your office and Oswald was in your office, and you asked him to look at Oswald and tell you whether or not this was the man he saw, and he says that in your presence he identified Oswald as the man that he had seen run across this lawn and get into the white Rambler sedan. Do you remember that? Mr. FRITZ. I think it was taken, I think it was one of my officers, and I think if he saw him he looked through that glass and saw him from the outside because I am sure of one thing that I didn't bring him in the office with Oswald. Mr. BALL. You are sure you didn't? Mr. FRITZ. I am sure of that. I feel positive of that. I would remember that I am sure... Mr. BALL. After he had said, "That is the man," that Oswald got up from his chair and slammed his hand on the table and said, "Now everybody will know who I am." Did that ever occur in your presence? Mr. FRITZ. If it did I never saw anything like that; no, sir. Mr. BALL. That didn't occur? Mr. FRITZ. No, sir; it didn't. That man is not telling a true story if that is what he said...It is something I don't know anything about. Here we can see that DPD Captain WIll Fritz told the WC that Deputy Roger Craig ws "not telling a true story." Soon after this, Deputy Roger Craig would be fired from his job at the Dallas County Sheriff's department. His next job would be as a grocery bagger and shopping cart collector at a supermarket. All best, --Paul
  11. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, I find that your analysis is 99% correct. The 1% missing is that Sheriff Bill Decker, only seconds after the JFK Assassination, ordered his Deputies to rush to the "railroad yard" (the parking lot behind the Grassy Knoll). That is not in his WC testimony, but it is in the DPD radio transmission transcript of 11/22/1963. Here is that transmission: 12:30 p.m. KKB 364. noise for 3 minutes, 11 seconds on this tape. Dallas 1 (Chief Jesse Curry) Go to the hospital - Parkland Hospital. Have them stand by. 603 (ambulance) 603 out. 1 Get a man on top of that triple underpass and see what happened up there. noise for 34 seconds on this tape. 1 Have Parkland stand by. 91 (Ptm. W.D. Mentzel and Ptm. J.W. Courson) 91 clear. Dallas 1 (Sheriff J.E. "Bill" Decker) I am sure it's going to take some time to get your man in there. Pull every one of my men in there. Dispatcher 531, testing: 1 2 3 4. Dispatcher Dallas 1, repeat, I didn't get all of it. I didn't quite understand all of it. Loud and clear. Dallas 1 Have my office move all available men out of my office into the railroad yard to try to determine what happened in there and hold everything secure until Homicide and other investigators should get there. 48 (Ptm. A.D. Duncan) 48, loud and clear. Dispatcher 10-4. Dallas 1 -Station 5 will be notified. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/ All best, --Paul
  12. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Although I'm a CTer, I tend to be extremely cautious before linking anybody with the JFK assassination. So, I may be mistaken about Roy Truly, but in my reading, his is clueless. I have an alternate reading of the facts that you cited for Roy Truly in his fixation on Lee Harvey Oswald as a susicious person of interest in the JFK Assassination. Truly was sincere, IMHO, and this is how it happened. 1. Within one minute of the JFK Assassination, motorcycle cop Marrion Baker sped to the TSBD. In the opinion of Baker, the shooter was actually on top of the roof. He thought he saw this from his position in the JFK parade, from the corner of Main and Houston streets, riding his motorcycle, and looking up at the TSBD when the shots rang out. He saw the pigeons fly away, and he was certain that the shooter was on top of the roof. So he sped there, and he ran inside. 2.. Roy Truly followed him, because Roy was in charge. 3. Baker demanded the elevator to the roof. Roy Truly tried to get the elevator, but it was not responding. So he showed Baker to the stairs. They both ran up the stairs. Allegedly they met Lee Harvey Oswald on their way upstairs. Baker estimates meeting Oswald less than 2 minutes after the JFK Assassination. 4. When they finally got to the roof, Roy Truly argued with Officer Baker, insisting that the shots came from the Grassy Knoll. "No!" insisted Baker -- they came from the roof, so be careful, because the shooter is probably here, and has a rifle! 5. They searched the roof thoroughly. They searched all around the perimeter. Roy Truly pointed down to the west side of the TSBD, and said, "Look at all those people gathered near the Grassy Knoll! They know what happened!" "No!" insisted Baker! Keep looking here, and be careful! 6. On the east side of the TSBD was a fire escape. Roy Truly said he worried that the shooter might have rushed down the fire escape. (Perhaps the shooter left his rifle). 7. They searched the tool shed on top of the roof. Finally Baker was convinced that the shooter had escaped -- they were too slow. He gave up. 8. As they headed back down the stairs, they met DPD Chief Lumpkin coming up the stairs. This should give a timeline of their search on the roof. 9. By this time, then, Roy Truly says that the TSBD was "full" of DPD cops. Cops everywhere, and each one was shouting orders to civilians. So, it was probably 12:45 by now, or thereabouts. 10. Some of those DPD officers were rounding up Negroes who worked at the TSBD. They were all suspects, as far as they were concerned -- probably Communists. 11. When Roy Truly saw that, he got involved personally, because these were all his book pickers -- they all worked for him. 12. The DPD cops ordered Roy Truly to account for all his men. That was when Roy noticed that two of his men were missing. 13. However -- although two were missing, one was accounted for -- all the workers knew where he was, and could vouch for that. However, NOBODY COULD VOUCH FOR LEE HARVEY OSWALD. 14. This was partly because the workers did not know Lee very well, and did not know where Lee went for lunch, when he happened to leave the building for lunch. 15. So, that was when Roy Truly told the DPD cops -- and Chief Lumpkin -- that all were accounted for except Lee Harvey Oswald. 16. That was when Chief Lumpkin said they should report that to Captain Fritz, once Roy Truly got Oswald's contact information. 17. So, Roy called TSBD records and got Lee's contact info, and wrote it down, and he and Lumpkin went upstairs and Roy gave it to Captain Fritz. So, as far as I can see, Jason, all of this was ordinary and not suspicious. Roy Truly was not a conspirator, as far as I can see today. Thanks for all your analysis. All best, --Paul
  13. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Good description of these photos. I think you are 100% right. These photos lead to Liebeler's questions. They don't go far in Walthers' WC testimony. Also, the time of the Hertz sign is crucial to our timeline. I read it as 12:40 pm. HOWEVER -- please let me add one more name to my Dallas Deputies list. The WC testimony of Deputy Roger Craig is a monkey wrench thrown into the mix. Please add him to your able analyses of Dallas Deputy WC testimony. Also -- may I please ask. After you have gone through the Dallas Deputies -- there are not very many -- please move on to the Dallas Police -- there are several. To make this easier, and to stay focused on the material of the Dallas Deputies -- I ask that you first isolate only those Dallas Police who were present at Dealey Plaza. Here is my Dallas Police List. There were 43 at the Dealey Plaza Scene. DPD HQ and Patrolmen (9): Jesse Curry (Chief), J. Herbert Sawyer (Inspector), Don Ables (jail clerk), Earle Brown, Richard Clark (Vice), J.W. Foster, Gerald Henslee (radio dispatcher), W.E. Perry (Vice), J.C. White. DPD Homicide Detectives (15): Will Fritz (Captain), T.L. Baker (Lieutenant), John Adamcik, Elmer Boyd, C.W. Brown, Bob Carroll, C.N. Dhority, Marvin Johnson, James Leavelle, Henry Moore, Walter Potts, Guy Rose, Richard Sims, Richard Stovall, F.M. Turner. DPD Traffic and Accident – Motorcycle (8): Perdue Lawrence (Captain), Marrion Baker, E.D. Brewer, Bobby Hargis, Clyde Haygood, Thomas Hutson, Billy Martin, Joe Murphy. DPD Traffic and Accident – Foot Patrol (6): D.V. Harkness (Sergeant), Welcome Barnett, Ray Hawkins, Edgar Smith, Joe Smith, C.T. Walker. DPD ID Detectives (3): J.C. Day (Lieutenant), Robert Studebaker, J.B. Hicks. DPD Personnel Department (2): W.R. Westbrook (Captain), Gerald Hill (Sergeant) This list of 43 names is still nearly half of your list of 91 names, and so it still remains too large of a list. I propose to whittle it down to those who went inside or to the doors of the TSBD building before the rifle was found at 1:15pm CST. In my quick review, that limits it to those marked in purple above. Here's my new list of 14 Dallas Police employees -- and I think this is a manageable number: DPD HQ and Patrolmen (1): J. Herbert Sawyer (Inspector) DPD Homicide Detectives (6): Will Fritz (Captain), Elmer Boyd, C.W. Brown, Bob Carroll, Marvin Johnson, Richard Sims. DPD Traffic and Accident – Motorcycle (2): Marrion Baker, Thomas Hutson. DPD Traffic and Accident – Foot Patrol (3): D.V. Harkness (Sergeant), Welcome Barnett, Joe Smith. DPD Personnel Department (2): W.R. Westbrook (Captain), Gerald Hill (Sergeant) To summarize my request, Jason -- may we please place these 14, plus Deputy Roger Craig, highest in the queue at this time? If so, please place Deputy Craig next. All best, --Paul
  14. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Although you might be onto something there -- I don't see it. I currently think this matters little. It's a matter of time compression on a minor point. The main point is that Roy Truly was the source of Lee Harvey Oswald's name and address. That the name came first, and then the address came second, is a minor point. It is eminently plausible that Roy Truly was the source of both. His testimony confirms it -- but it goes like this. First, Roy Truly told DPD Chief Lumpkin that Oswald was missing, and Lumpkin asked for details to tell Captain Fritz up on the 6th floor. Then Roy Truly called the TSBD office of records in another building -- and got the address on Oswald's job application. Then Roy Truly was escorted upstairs by Chief Lumpkin, and told Captain Fritz both bits of data at the same time. I see no problem with this much. There may be other problems -- but not with the source of this data. Ruth Paine's address was certainly on LHO's job application. That's history. All best, --Paul
  15. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Noticing the contradiction, the Warren Commission asked Seymour Weitzman about it. He said it this way -- I paraphrase -- 'I found it first, and I whispered it softly to Deputy Boone, who quickly shouted out to the whole floor that he found it, and so he got the credit. I would have received the credit if I had shouted it out, but I guess that's what I failed to do. History will say that Boone found it.' I personally find Weitzman's explanation to be credible. It is very human; that's how some grownups behave. I don't think this is an issue. The real issue, IMHO, is that the rifle was found a full 45 minutes after the JFK assassination. Even after eye-witnesses outside the TSBD building had told DPD Police within seconds of the JFK Assassination, that they saw men with guns on the upper floors of the TSBD building -- it still took the DPD a full 45 minutes to find the rifle. So the question that arises inside my mind is this -- when was the rifle artificially planted there? Was it at the same time that Deputy Mooney artificially planted the shell casings there? Was it Deputy Mooney who artificially planted the rifle there? All best, --Paul
  16. Michael Paine dies at 89

    Joe, IN DEFENSE OF MICHAEL PAINE (1928 - 2018) We should say something about Michael Paine's Christian beliefs, since you hammer them so consistently above. Michael Paine was not, like Ruth Paine, a Quaker. This was one of the many reasons for their separation. Michael was a Unitarian for most of his life. I don't know if you know anything about Unitarians, but I have many friends who are Unitarians, and every one is quite honest about the fact that they cannot believe in the Saving Cross of Jesus or the Resurrection or the Afterlife. What they actually believe is obscure, because the Unitarians publish no book of doctrines. They look like a Church, but without Christ as their official head. Anyway -- Michael Paine was indeed a privileged person -- all his life. Lee Harvey Oswald was a poverty-stricken. The question I would raise here, on the eve of the death of Michael Paine, is why Michael had anything to do with Lee. I know the CIA-did-it CTers for at least a quarter century have preached that Michael Paine was CIA. Whatever! Let's take this more slowly and carefully. After Buddy Walthers told the Dallas newspapers that he found "six or seven metal filing cabinets full of the names of Castro supporters" in Ruth Paine's garage, it became clear that somebody was trying to set up Ruth Paine (and Michael Paine) as COMMUNISTS in support of the FPCC and Lee Harvey Oswald, who was allegedly an officer of the FPCC in New Orleans. Just as the Dallas Police put Buell Wesley Frazier under a spotlight for "transporting the murder weapon" that killed JFK (and would have sent Wesley to the electric chair if he didn't come up with a good defense), the Dallas Police were hot to convict Ruth and Michael Paine as well. This explains the forgery added to the Paine's tapped telephone call of 11/22/1963. The Radical Right was trying to entrap the Paines' Through Probe Magazine of the 1990's, the Clueless Left perpetuated the story of the Radical Right in their continued persecution of Ruth and Michael Paine. In fact, it continues down to this day in this very thread, with the old editor of Probe Magazine, right here. Here is how I set up my defense of Michael Paine. He would have been sent to the electric chair unless he came up with a good defense. How could he be the friend of Lee Harvey Oswald, even having dinner with him, and letting him sleep over in his house on many weekends before the JFK Assassination -- without being a party to the JFK Assassination? So, the first self-defense of Michael Paine was this: "Lee Harvey Oswald was no friend of mine!" Here (in my paraphrase) is how Michael Paine elaborated on his self-defense. "Lee was stupid! He claimed to be a Marxist, but I know Marxism backwards and forwards because my biological father was an admitted Trotsky follower. I am no Marxist, but when I visited my father during summers in Los Angeles, I met dozens of committed Marxists, and heard them making speeches and debating, and I know the literature very well. I can say with certainty that Lee Harvey Oswald was a young ignoramus, showing off that he read a few books by Marx. A genuine Marxist would have joined a Party and worked hard for that Party." All of that self-defense, it turns out, is also historically factual. In fact, Michael Paine truly did dislike Lee Harvey Oswald from the first moment that he met him. Well, then, we reasonably ask -- why did Michael Paine allow Lee Harvey Oswald to spend the night in his house in Irving, Texas on weekends, while his wife, Ruth Paine, and his two small children, Lynn and Christopher, were in that house? It's a good question. It deserves a good answer. So, let's review the Warren Commission testimony very slowly, so that it finally makes some sense. Here is my best recollection of the events: 1. Michael was separated from Ruth Paine at the time. It was not hostile -- it was amicable, and Ruth Paine was a strong-willed woman (very common in Texas) and also highly educated woman (very rare in Texas). 2. Ruth had promised God that she would learn to speak Russian, so that she could help bring peace between the USA and the USSR, within programs of the Quaker Church. Michael Paine had nothing to do with this. He just wanted to be an engineer, support his children, buy a few houses and a few cars, and call it a good life. 3. Ruth Paine tried to find people in Fort Worth and Dallas to help her learn to speak Russian. 3.1. Ruth could read and write Russian -- but that is a far cry from having a fast conversation with a native speaker. (Many Americans who have studied Spanish in high school know this fact very well.) 3.2. Ruth asked Professor Mamantov if he would teach her. He turned her down, because her Russian skills were too poor. 3.3. Mamantov instead put Ruth in contact with his aged mother-in-law, Dorothy Gravitis. But Dorothy was a poor teacher. Ruth was frustrated. 4. On February 22, 1963, Ruth and Michael were invited to a party by a common friend, Everett Glover. 4.1. Everett was an engineer who knew the Paines for many years. He and Michael sang in the Unitarian Choir together. 4.2. Everett did not speak Russian, but he knew many engineers in Dallas, and many were Russian Expatriates. One was George De Mohrenschildt (DM). 5. At the party on February 22, 1963, Everett invited many engineer friends, because George DM was going to entertain everybody by bringing Lee and Marina Oswald to the party. 5.1. Everybody in Fort Worth and Dallas had read about Lee and Marina Oswald in the newspapers. Lee was going to answer all their questions in English (because they all spoke mainly English). 6. Marina Oswald came to this party with their baby June, and she was the only one at the party who spoke no English. 7. Michael Paine had a cold, or otherwise begged off from that party. Instead, Ruth Paine came to party alone. 8. Ruth Paine was bored by Lee Harvey Oswald. 9. But when Marina and Jeanne retreated to a bedroom with baby June, because the baby was cranky, Ruth Paine tried to join them. 10. There was no way that Ruth Paine could join in their rapid Russian conversation. But she tried her best to interject a word here or there. 11. To her great pleasure, Marina Oswald was very kind and gentle, and included Ruth in their conversation, speaking slower, and correcting Ruth's grammar. RUTH LOVED THIS. 12. Ruth Paine then gave Marina her phone number and asked Marina for her phone number. "We don't have a phone," Marina replied. 13. So, they exchanged postal addresses, and said good night. 14. (An important point to make here -- hotly disputed by CIA-did-it CTers -- is that Ruth Paine insists that she never saw George or Jeanne DM before in her life, and never saw them or heard from them again in 1963. The same goes for Michael Paine.) 14.1. (Another point: Ruth Paine was not part of the Russian Community in Fort Worth and Dallas. She didn't speak Russian well enough for one thing; also, she did not attend the Russian Orthodox Church as they all did -- even the unbelievers.) 15. After that night, Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald sent many letters to each other -- for the rest of 1963 until the JFK Assassination. 15.1. The Warren Commission has copies of them all, as far as possible. 16. They made good friends, and Marina Oswald confided in Ruth Paine that she was pregnant. She also told Ruth that Lee was threatening to send her back to the USSR alone -- without him. She was miserable about it. 17. Ruth believed Marina -- she believed Lee planned to abandon his family. She decided that this was an important moral challenge for her. HOW COULD SHE HELP MARINA OSWALD? 18. Ruth Paine would drive herself and her children from Irving to Dallas to visit Marina Oswald on several occasions. They would take their babies on walks in the park. That was their main activity. Their main conversation was about babies and child care. Also marital problems. 19. As the weeks went forward, Ruth Paine would also drive to Dallas and pick up Marina and baby June, and drive them to Irving, and go for walks there -- and wash clothes -- and then drive everybody back to Dallas, and then drive her children home. 19.1. That was a long day, but Ruth loved the company, the Russian conversation, and the friendship. Marina was always a very intelligent and kind person. 20. In late March, 1963, Ruth Paine asked Michael Paine if he could invite Marina and Lee Oswald over for dinner. 20.1. Michael Paine then realized that their friendship was becoming long-term, and so he said he would like to attend that dinner, so that he could also see what Marina and Lee Oswald were like. 21. On April 2, 1963, Michael Paine drove to Dallas, to the Neely Street address, to pick up Lee and Marina Oswald. 21. I wrote above that sequence: briefly; Marina wasn't ready and Lee "entertained" Michael Paine by telling him all about his Marxism. 22. Also, Lee showed Michael Paine his "Backyard Photograph." Michael was unimpressed -- in fact, turned off, by this silly display of weapons. 23. Michael Paine did see that Marina Oswald had some class -- some education -- some social manners -- and he could see why Ruth liked Marina. 24. Disappointed that Lee Harvey Oswald was such a "loser," he went through with the dinner, and put on the best face he could for Ruth and Marina. 25. At the dinner, Lee Harvey Oswald talked and talked with bored Michael about his "Marxism", while Marina and Ruth happily talked about children and dinner and then washed the dishes together and cleaned the kitchen. 26. That was the night. It was a dreadful bore, for Michael Paine. 27. That was the last that Michael Paine saw or heard of Lee Harvey Oswald until October, 1963. 28. On April 24, Ruth drove herself and her children to visit Marina and baby June, to have a walk in the park. 29. Instead, she was surprised to see Lee Harvey Oswald -- bags packed -- asking for a ride to the bus station -- he could not afford a taxi. 30. So, she said OK. On the way, Lee explained his situation. He had lost his job, and he was going to New Orleans to stay with his family there, and seek work there. 31. But he didn't want Marina to come with him. He wanted Marina to stay in Dallas and wait for a letter from him. No matter how long this might take. Then, Marina and June would take the bus to New Orleans. He would give her a bus ticket. 31.1. The rent was paid for the next week. Lee said it should not take long. 32. Ruth immediately thought that Lee Harvey Oswald was going to abandon his family. But she did not want to pry or to exceed her social boundaries. 33. They arrived at the Greyhound bus station, and Lee Harvey Oswald bought two tickets to New Orleans. One for himself, and one for Marina. 33.1. The bus station took Lee's luggage, and told him to wait for the bus which would leave for New Orleans in the morning. 34. Instead, Ruth made a suggestion. Why not let Marina move to Ruth's place? That way, Lee could take his time, and then when Lee was ready, he could use the telephone instead of a letter. 34.1. Further, Ruth offered, when Lee telephoned, Ruth Paine herself would drive Marina to New Orleans, and save the expense and hassle of Marina traveling by bus with a baby, not knowing any English. 35. Lee thought that was a great idea. He quickly took Marina's bus ticket back to the Greyhound cashier and cashed it in. 36. Then, they all drove back to the Neely street apartment in Dallas, where Lee Harvey Oswald personally loaded all of their meager belongings (mostly baby furniture) onto Ruth Paine's station wagon, and they said goodbye to Lee. He would take the public bus to the Greyhound station that night. 37. For the next two weeks -- Ruth Paine was in a kind of heaven. Her best friend and her baby were living with her, and she was speaking Russian conversation every single day with Marina Oswald, who spoke an aristocratic form of Russian. It was just great. 38. Then, in two weeks, on May 10, 1963, Lee called Ruth Paine's phone and told Marina -- I have a job and we have an apartment! Marina was delighted -- "Papa loves us!" she cooed to baby June! 39. True to her word, she loaded up her station wagon with Marina's belongings, and she drove her two children with Marina and baby June to New Orleans. 40. For the next night, Ruth and her babies slept on the floor of the Oswald's roach infested apartment -- listening to Marina and Lee scream at each other almost the whole night. 41. That was the last that Ruth Paine would see of the Oswalds until September, 1963. 42. That summer, Ruth Paine took her usual two month vacation, and drove her children to the East Coast, to visit her mother, her siblings and relatives and childhood and college friends. 42.1. Although they all wanted to talk about the separation of Michael and Ruth, all Ruth wanted to talk about was Marina Oswald. 43. Marina and Ruth continued writing letters to each other. Marina complained to Ruth that Lee was forcing her to write letters to the USSR, asking to go back. But she insisted: "Ruth -- I really don't want to go back! Help me!" 43.1 Ruth was beside herself with emotion on this topic. All she could talk about to her family and friends was helping Marina Oswald. 44. Then, in mid-September, 1963, Marina Oswald sends an S.O.S. to Ruth Paine. Lee has been out of work for months. They have no money. Marina is now EIGHT MONTHS PREGNANT. They have no health insurance. She has not seen a doctor about her pregnancy. 45. Ruth springs into action. She piles her kids into her station wagon and heads to New Orleans. 46. Once there, she very kindly asks Lee Harvey Oswald for permission to take Marina and June back to Irving, Texas, to register Marina at Parkland Hospital, so that she could have baby June in some safety. Marina, June and the new baby can live with her, Ruth said, through January 1964, when Ruth's mother would come to stay to help with Ruth's children. 47. Lee jumped at the opportunity. For the first time ever, Lee Harvey Oswald began to behave like a gentleman to Ruth, helping out here, there and everywhere. He loaded up Ruth Paine's station wagon single-handedly (again) and on September 23, 1963, Lee sent Marina and June off to Irving. 48. Lee told Ruth that he is going to Houston to seek work. Marina Oswald knew that was a lie -- but she didn't say anything. 48.1. Lee had previously told Marina that he was going to Mexico City -- but to keep that a deep secret. Marina agreed. 49. For the next 11 days, Ruth Paine is again in a kind of heaven. She has her dear friend, Marina Oswald and baby June, living with her again. 49.1 Baby June is now calling Ruth, "auntie Ruth." Ruth loves that. 49.2. Ruth is very busy, helping Marina register for free natal services at Parkland Hospital. (Marina and Lee didn't want to be indebted further.) 49.3. Ruth gave blood to Parkland Hospital in partial exchange for these free natal services. 50. On October 4, 1963, Lee Harvey Oswald came waltzing back into Ruth Paine's life. 51. He knew better than to ask to live with Ruth -- it was a small house -- and Ruth didn't want and extra person there -- especially this ne'er do well who couldn't even hold down an easy job to support his own children. 52. But Lee did ask if he could at least come over on weekends, to be with his children. He promises to help around the house. 53. Ruth, being the soft-hearted person she was, agreed to this arrangement. 54. Immediately, Lee Harvey Oswald began using Ruth Paine's address for all his identity paperwork -- all his job applications. He also began sending all his magazine subscriptions (and there were lots of them) to Ruth Paine's address. 55. When Ruth told her own mother about her life status (as she regularly did) her mother was alarmed that this ne'er do well was now in Ruth's house! With Ruth's own children! Did Ruth really know what she was doing? 56. Ruth wrote to her mother, to soothe her fears. Lee Harvey Oswald is now calm as a lamb, and appreciates as well as he can. He's poor, but he's trying. 56.1. Lee helps around the house very well. For one thing, Ruth had a sticking door, and Lee took it down and sanded it, so that it stopped sticking. 57. Ruth also kept Michael in this loop, of course, and Michael Paine visited the Irving Street address and his children three days a week. On weekends he would have dinner with his family -- and with the Oswalds there at his address. 58. He had agreed with Ruth -- Marina Oswald was a good person and she was worth all the bother. He resented that Lee Harvey Oswald was such a flake who could hardly hold down an easy job to support his own children -- but he was convinced that Lee was harmless. 58. For example, Michael Paine said, on weekends, Lee would watch baseball on TV. Lee loved watching TV. This caused Michael to think -- "Some Marxist! Instead of picketing somewhere for the working class, he enjoys his TV like any middle-class person!" 59. On October 20, 1963, Marina gave birth to Audrey Rachel Oswald. 60. From that day forward, Marina and Ruth were intensely busy with child care. Marina was delighted with Parkland Hospital, but also with the fact that Ruth Paine had a washing machine -- because newborns need so many diapers. 61. This was basically how Ruth Paine and Michael Paine lived their lives, from October 4, 1963, until the JFK Assassination on November 22nd. 62. The JFK Assassination came out of nowhere for the Paine's. They were taken by storm. On the day of the JFK Assassination, Michael Paine called Ruth from work to day, "Lee didn't do it -- we both know who did it." 63. Ruth Paine in December, 2015, told me what Michael Paine meant -- it was the group that published the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbill, and the corresponding black-bordered ad in the DMN: "Welcome Mister Kennedy, to Dallas; <Why are you a Communist>?" So, Joe, you ask what Michael Paine did that Lee Harvey Oswald didn't do? The answer, in my opinion, is very obvious -- Michael Paine held down a steady job and supported his wife and children. Also, Michael Paine supported his wife in her dream to help Marina Oswald. You ask why Michael Paine didn't show more sympathy toward the hardships of Lee Harvey Oswald. In my opinion, no other person in the world (except Ruth Paine) ever showed Lee Harvey Oswald more sympathy for his hardships than Michael Paine! Sincerely, --Paul Trejo, MA
  17. Michael Paine dies at 89

    Rob, You got the content of that phone call all wrong. I spoke personally to Ruth Paine about this (Dec. 2015) and she told me the full context. Since this is the eve of the death of Michael Paine, it's right to set the record straight on this thread. Michael Paine had called Ruth Paine on 11/22/1963, and he said to her (I paraphrase), "Lee didn't do it -- we both know who did." This phone call was tapped by somebody -- most likely FBI agent James Hosty, IMHO. Anyway, it came up in the FBI records with additional words added by some dishonest person, to read that Michael Paine said that Lee Harvey Oswald killed JFK. That's just a lie. Ruth Paine admits the phone call -- and she demanded from the Warren Commission to tell her who tapped her phone that day, and why. The Warren Commission never answered her -- and the US Government never answered her -- after 55 years. She still wants to know. Anyway -- I asked her point blank -- "Ruth -- what did Michael mean when he said, 'We both know who did it?"" Ruth told me bluntly (I paraphrase), "He meant that collective group who had published the WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK handbill, which was obviously the same group that published that, WELCOME TO DALLAS: MR. KENNEDY...Why are you a Communist>, black bordered advertisement in the Dallas Morning News that morning. That's what Michael meant, and Michael knew that knew that's exactly what he meant." Anyway, Rob. you are well-meaning, I feel. You just didn't know that you were repeating the official, Radical Right opinion about Michael Paine. What do you think now, after hearing this further evidence? Regards, --Paul Trejo
  18. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Thanks for all your hard work summarizing and analyzing the WC testimony of Dallas Deputy Buddy Walthers regarding his behavior on 11/22/1963 at Dealey Plaza. Here are my remarks: 1. Like Deputies Boone, Mooney, and Weitzman, Buddy Walthers is loitering around his place of employment at the corner of Main and Houston, namely, the Dallas County Jailhouse. 2. As soon as they hear shots fired at the Grassy Knoll, they immediately run across Dealey Plaza and in less than half a minute, they all jump the wall there. 3. He claims he sees no clues of any sniper there in that County parking lot behind the picket fence. 4. Walthers then says he went to large park island between Elm and Main to seek cartridge shells. 4.1. In an interesting sidebar, Deputy Roger Craig will testify to the WC that he saw Buddy pick up a shell there, and put it in his pocket. 4.2. It is riveting to me that Buddy would even suggest the possibility of "blanks or something” because of the story allegedly told by Senator John Tower to Sheriff Bill Decker, Gary Wean and Audie Murphy, about an "original" JFK plot to include "only blanks." 5. James Tague walks up to Buddy Walthers and shows him his wounded cheek. Buddy then walks to the triple underpass bridge. 6. Based on his analysis of the trajectory of the fragment that hit James Tague, Deputy Walthers concluded, "it was almost obvious that it...came from this building" referring to the TSBD. 6.1. Here are the words of Deputy Walthers to Deputy Alan Sweatt: 6.2. "I said, 'From the looks of it, it is probably going to be in this School Book Building,' and immediately then everybody started surrounding the School Book Building." 7. Next, in the confusion (to be generous) Walthers hears about an Oak Cliff shooting. 7.1. He decides on his own (without asking the Sheriff) to abandon Dealey Plaza and hurry to Oak Cliff, leading two other Deputies. 7.2. Walthers joins the manhunt in Oak Cliff for Tippit's murderer. A false alarm at a library, then a massive convergence at the Texas Theater. 8. From the balcony, Walthers watches Lee Harvey Oswald being arrested down below. 9. His job now done, Walthers reports to Sheriff Bill Decker back at the County Jailhouse for further orders. All in a day's work. 10. Sheriff Decker hands Deputy Walthers the address of Ruth Paine, where allegedly Oswald had been living with Mrs. Paine. 11. Along with Deputy Weatherford, they meet DPD officers Adamcik and Rose. 11.1. Allegedly, Walthers says that Ruth Paine exclaims, “Come on in, we’ve been expecting you.” 11.2. This is a bizarre thing to claim -- Ruth Paine denied saying these words. 12. Buddy Walthers gives an alternative account of discovering the blanket roll for Oswald's rifle. 12.1. Marina Oswald gives the first account -- she told the Dallas Police where to look. It was a Dallas policeman -- not Buddy Walthers, who picked up the blanket. 12.2. That Dallas policeman will give WC testimony that Marina's account is correct. 12.3. Why does Buddy Walthers seek to make himself the hero of the JFK story? It's interesting to me. 13. Then Buddy Walthers tells one of the singular fabrications of all WC testimony. He claims that he found "6 or 7 metal filing cabinets full of the names of Castro supporters" in Ruth Paine's garage, and that he placed these in the trunk of his car. 13.1. Actually, nobody else claims to have seen the alleged "filing cabinents." They were never photographed -- they were never seen by the DPD, the FBI, the Secret Service or *anybody*. 13.2. These alleged "filing cabinets" were never itemized in any official list of property retrieved from Ruth Paine's posessions. 13.3. Why would Buddy Walthers make a false claim that is so easily disproved by all other Washington DC and Dallas authorities? Yet the urban myth persists down to this very day. 14. Buddy Walther's claim that Marina Oswald told him anything is disproved by the fact that Marina Oswald could not speak English, and Buddy Walthers could not speak Russian. 14.1. Even allowing the implication that Ruth Paine interpreted between Marina and Buddy, even then, Buddy's story contradicts the story of Dallas Postmaster Harry Holmes. 14.2. Harry Holmes claims that it was he himself, and nobody else, who obtained the Oak Cliff rooming house address of Lee Harvey Oswald, from Oswald's November 1st PO Box application, and he called it into the Lawmen. 15. Michael Paine never, ever believed or claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald was a "committed Communist," but always maintained -- to everybody including the WC attorneys -- that Oswald was a "Phony Communist." 15.1. Again, Buddy Walthers seems to act "entitled" to make his opinion into fact, no matter what anybody else says. He is the "leader" in his own mind. 16. Buddy Walthers then claims that it was he himself who brought "everyone" at Ruth Paine's house to Captain Fritz' office. Again, he is the "leader" in his own mind. 17. Regarding finding a spent bullet -- Walthers denies it -- but as we will later see, Deputy Roger Craig affirms it. 18. Buddy Walthers claims to know that the “last shot” nicked Tague. Again -- Buddy Walthers seems to claim to know "everything." But what is the source for his "authority" in the JFK murder? 19. Could it possibly be that Walthers really *was* an authority in the case, but on more *secret* details? 19.1. If so, then Walthers is letting his "slip" show. 20. Walthers ends his WC testimony by apologizing for being “a little evasive.” 20.1. Again, Walthers is letting his "slip" show. 21. As to your CONCERNS, Jason: 21.1. Walthers is in multiple crucial places on 11/22/1963: 21.1.1. Behind the Grassy Knoll 21.1.2. At the triple underpass curb with James Tague, 21.1.3. Telling Deputy Sweatt that the shots came from the TSBD -- which started cops going there. 21.1.4. Among the first seeking Lee Harvey Oswald in Oak Cliff 21.1.5. In the Texas Theater, observing Oswald being arrested 21.1.6. At Ruth Paine's garage. 21.2. The library false alarm is unimportant, IMHO. 21.3. Dealey Plaza is virtually *owned* by Dallas Deputies. 21.3.1. They worked daily at Main and Houston. 21.3.2. They parked daily behind the Grassy Knoll. 21.4. Sheriff Decker got the address of Ruth Paine from TSBD supervisor Roy Truly, because that is the address that LHO gave to the TSBD on his job application. 21.5. There is no way that Marina volunteered anything to Buddy Walthers -- he didn't speak Russian. 21.5.1. Even if Ruth Paine was the one who gave Walthers a phone number -- one must ask Harry Holmes why he was so detailed in explaining how he himself discovered that address. 21.6. We cannot get confirmation from Bill Decker that he gave Buddy Walthers the address for Oswald in Oak Cliff, because Bill Decker chooses to speak almost entirely about Jack Ruby's case. 21.7. The Deputies evidently coordinated their stories -- or they coordinated their run to the Grassy Knoll. I don't know which. 21.8. How long can one search the Grassy Knoll when all that scores of people find there are Dallas Police Officers? 21.8.1. Then it's a matter of searching all the cars. But these are mostly Dallas Deputy cars. 21.8.2. Anyway, dozens of Dallas Police are already searching these cars -- finding nothing. 21.8.3. How long can you do this search? 3 minutes? 5 minutes? 21.8.4. But Buddy is a Leader, and he leaves the "drudgery" work to subordinates. He moves on. 21.9. The fact that Buddy Walther's even uses the word "blanks" suggests to me the story allegedly told by Senator John Tower about a "false flag" plan on JFK. 21.10. Walther's claim to be the first to point out the TSBD -- while everybody else is just wandering around aimlessly -- is an important factor in the collective Dallas Deputy story. 21.10.1. Let's keep our finger here, and return to it shortly. 21.11. For Buddy Walthers to claim discovery of the Oswald rifle blanket is sheer mendacity and arrogance. It contradicts all other accounts. 21.11.1. Let's also keep our finger here, and return to it shortly. I think it is related to his fabrication about "six or seven metal filing cabinets" in Ruth Paine's garage. 21.12. I'm very encouraged that you see the WC testimony of Buddy Walthers very closely to the way that I see it. In my past 6 years on this Forum, this is a first in my experience. All best, --Paul
  19. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Mr. Knight, Even though Lee Harvey Oswald was on USSR soil at the time his case was being deliberated, he could have been "denied" at any moment. You are being way, way too literal about it, sir. You are trying for a cheap shot, and it is unavailing. Get a better argument. Sincerely, --Paul Trejo
  20. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Mr. Knight, Again, you show a limited range of metaphor. "On the border." is a metaphor meaning that Oswald was "half-inside" and "half-outside," because the USSR authorities were debating at what hour to toss Lee Harvey Oswald out on his butt. You are trying your hardest to make me into a L-I-A-R, Mr. Knight, but you are evidently "straining at gnats and swallowing the camel." Sincerely, --Paul Trejo
  21. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Mr. Knight, No need to be so accusing. If I make a genuine mistake, I'm always willing to admit it. In this case, however, I think you're also splitting hairs. Although you are CORRECT in stating that Oswald's attempted suicide occurred AFTER he entered the USSR, and not BEFORE -- you also ADMIT that Oswald's attempted suicide had "everything to do with REMAINING" inside the USSR once he "got in." You are accusing me of a "BLATANT falsehood" when actually I could argue that it is a matter of PERSPECTIVE. Although Lee Harvey Oswald was on the other side of the border when he "attempted suicide" (i.e. sliced his wrists in a shallow manner), the fact remains that the USSR authorities were debating whether to ship him back on any given hour of the day. So, you're really overstating your case by accusing me of "BLATANT" falsehood. Oswald was still not really "in" the USSR -- technically -- he was on the border and his status was "undecided." Sincerely, --Paul Trejo
  22. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Lawrence, I've read all of Marina's WC testimony, which is a heck of a lot of reading, since she was asked thousands of questions, and it runs into hundreds of pages. But it's worth it. Yes, she was called back several times -- but Ruth Paine was also called back several times -- and that meant nothing at all. In my opinion (which many on this Form will challenge) Ruth Paine is one of the most honest people one could ever meet. She remains true to her Quaker religion to this very day. She took Marina Oswald into her home when Marina was eight months pregnant, and had no health insurance or money, and Lee Oswald had no job. Yet Ruth Paine had to endure more than FIVE THOUSAND QUESTIONS from the Warren Commission. That's not an exaggeration, that's more questions than anybody else. Regarding Lee Harvey Oswald (and excluding Jack Ruby testimony) Marina Oswald was second only to Ruth in the number of questions asked. And yet, these two women knew less about the JFK Assassination than anybody else in the world. They knew about Lee Harvey Oswald, but he kept tons of secrets from them. Well, for one thing, they were "only women" and this was 1963 in Texas -- and these women had babies to take care of, which was their "natural business." So, Lee Harvey Oswald told Marina Oswald nothing -- or worse than nothing -- he told her outright lies on a continual basis. In any case -- Marina Oswald told the TRUTH to the WC after she took the Oath. If that TRUTH was sometimes contradicted by others (for example, George De Mohrenschildt) it was not only Marina Oswald who was called back by the WC attorneys (but George De Mohrenschildt would also be called back). The WC got their answers. There is another reason that Marina was called back -- she didn't speak English well enough. In fact, although she volunteered to answer herself, the WC decided that her English was too broken. So they chose to speak to Marina through a Russian expert, and to get Marina's answers only from this Russian expert. So, in addition to her language issues, we also have to include the third party of this Russian expert, and his accent, and his lack of knowledge of American colloquialisms. For just one example: the Russian word for "bury" also means "hide." So, in Russian, Marina would say that Lee Harvey Oswald "hid" his rifle. This came out in the WC record from the Russian expert that Lee Harvey Oswald "buried" his rifle. See the problems? This is the tip of the iceberg. No wonder Marina had to be called back so many times. Yet I will stand by this -- Ruth Paine and Marina Oswald told the 100% truth to the Warren Commission. If somebody wishes to challenge my claim -- I don't want anymore abstract theories. Just show me the exact WC testimony that you believe is a LIE, and I will respond to that. I've read all of Marina's WC material. Regards, --Paul Trejo
  23. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Here's my feedback on all your hard work on the WC testimony of Dallas Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney: 1. Deputy Mooney, with many Dallas Deputies on 11/22/1963, was standing outside their building door on the corner of Main and Houston, overlooking Dealey Plaza. 2. There are two reasons that Deputies give for running toward the railroad tracks: 2.1. That they heard shots from there; 2.2. That Sheriff Bill Decker ordered them all to go there, because he was afraid that the Dallas Police would take too long to get there. 2.3. We have the radio transmission record from Sheriff Bill Decker that confirms this order. 3. Many Dallas Deputies ran as fast as they could to the picket fence of Dealey Plaza. 3.1. Since that was only about a half-block away from their place of employment, many of them ran that distance in perhaps 30 seconds or less. 3.2. Thus, many of them claim that they were there "within seconds." I believe them. 4. I agree with your emphasis, Jason, that the only thing they saw when they got there (aside from obvious spectators) were Dallas policemen. 4.1. That is important, in my humble opinion, because these same Dallas policemen shot JFK. The Deputies knew this, but they also knew that nobody in Dallas (or the USA) would doubt a policeman (or wonder why a policeman had a weapon). 4.2. Again, why did they run to the TSBD? Did Bill Decker give that order? He was not in Dealey Plaza at that time, and there is no radio transmission record to confirm this, IIRC. 4.3. Deputy Buddy Walthers claims it was his order. (He was not alone in this boast, however.) 5. When we finally piece together all of the WC testimony from all of the Sheriff Deputies, we will find a fairly consistent story -- with minor deviations (mostly from Deputy Roger Craig). 6. The question of arriving at the 6th floor is interesting. 6.1. Amos Euins and other Dealey Plaza witnesses told Dallas policemen as early as one minute after the JFK Assassination that they saw men with guns on the upper floors of the TSBD. 6.2. When did Dallas officers actually arrive on the 6th floor? Long after the eye-witnesses spoke up. 7. It is absolutely riveting that Deputy Luke Mooney had no clue WHY he went to the 6th floor. That is covering up a Big Secret, in my opinion. 7.1. The Big Secret is easy to guess -- namely -- that all the Deputy stories were coordinated in advance -- and in this case, Luke Mooney could SIMPLY NOT REMEMBER WHAT THE GROUP STORY WAS! 8. As for the phrase,"gone for the lights," Mooney is speaking of a walk back to the County Jail to get lots of flashlights. 8.1. Deputy Roger Craig claims he was also part of this walk -- but his participation will be denied by others. This is part of a crack in the Deputy's story. 9. In my humble opinion, Luke Mooney does not FIND shell casings, but he PLACES shell casings on the floor. 9.1. (Evidence for my claim comes from doubts expressed by Deputy Roger Craig. We will see that as we explore all of the WC evidence from all of the Dallas Sheriff Deputies.) 10. It is now 1pm, you said. One half-hour after the JFK Assassination. 10.1. Is Deputy Mooney realy standing guard as he claims? Or framing the crime scene? 11. Finally Captain Bill Fritz and Sherriff Bill Decker arrive together, and chat on the street below the TSBD. 12. Deputy Mooney claims that he discovered the crime scene and requested "crime lab officers." 12.1. We will see that he was not the only one to make that boast. 13. As for the chicken bones -- I see no reason to belabor them -- they belonged to the lunch of one of the workers at the TSBD, who would admit this in his WC testimony. 13.1. I see very little use in discussion of a Dr. Pepper, Coke or other soft drink. 13.2. There were so many workers in the TSBD 5th and 6th floors on Thursday and Friday, that sack lunches are irrelevant, IMHO. 14. As for your CONCERNS: 14.1. Mooney's story suggests that he selected the 6th floor by the luck of the draw, so to speak. Other officers were on other floors, so he went to the 6th floor. 14.1.1. What confuses me is how Deputy Mooney could be ALONE on the 6th floor long enough to allegedly FIND the shell casings. I doubt that part. 14.2. I don't care about the Dr. Pepper that other witnesses may have found. If it's important I'd like to know why. 14.2.1. Also, in common parlance, some people called *any* soda pop a "Coke." 14.2.2. Even if it was an orange drink, or a lemon-lime drink, to some people it was still a "Coke," which was synonymous with a "pop". So, I don't focus on these Southern colloquialisms. 14.2.3. I am not concerned with any soda can or lunch sack or its contents. It is irrelevant to me, UNLESS IT CAN BE USED TO SHOW THAT THE DEPUTIES ARE LYING IN SOME WAY. 14.3. I am not concerned with the identity of press photographers -- though perhaps I should be. 14.3.1. I presume that a flood of press photographers had simply followed a flood of policemen into the TSBD by 12:45 PM, having found nothing suspicious behind the picket fence of the Grassy Knoll. 14.3.2. What really worries me is Deputy Mooney's narrative that suggests he was ALONE on the 6th floor at the time that other Deputies were walkig to the County Jailhouse to get flashlights to explore the 7th floor. That sounds utterly impossible to me. There had to be others. 14.3.3. I don't know where their pictures are, however -- and I feel that somebody should know. 14.3.4. Yet if they were simply random pictures of a warehouse, with random pictures of boxes, then why would any newspaper editor even bother with them? They were probably trashed. 14.3.5. The Dallas Police had their own photographers, who had rules about quality of their photographs -- and they didn't care about newspaper photographs (unless people higher up in the chain of command cared about them). 14.4. IMHO, in those days, if a Dallas Policeman ordered a civilian to do something, that civilian was morally obliged to do it. Even to guard a door. 14.4.1. We will see later that other Dallas authorities disputed the status and security of the entrances and exits of the TSBD building. In any case, 12:45 was way too late to worry about the escape of a 12:30 sniper. 14.5. Again, I'm unconcerned with Bonnie Ray Williams' chicken lunch remains on the 6th floor. 14.6. I find Mooney's story acceptably consistent with Boone's, if only because Boone's story is so skinny -- so lacking in details. All best, --Paul
  24. General Walker and Lee Harvey Oswald

    Jason, Thanks for your hard work summarizing all this WC data on Deputy Boone. Here are my opinions: (1) The fact of Boone's short WC testimony, practically a narrative, like a story, is way too common in the WC volumes to be of much concern, IMHO. (1.1) The WC did not conduct a Trial by any stretch. They only conducted a Hearing, which was guaranteed only by the Legal Oath. (1.2) The WC did not take into consideration any amount of Southern hostility towards Northern Yankees in general, or toward Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren (author of the Brown Decision to racially integrate all US public schools) in particular. (1.3) In my opinion, most residents of Dallas were sympathetic to the Confederate Flag and its conservative tendency, and opposed to the Supreme Court and its liberal tendency. The "Warren Commission" sounded noble to Yankees, but sounded like shxx to Southerners. (1.4) There was never any WC cross-examination of any Dallas Law officers. The only thing that sounded like WC cross-examination was directed to Marina Oswald and to Ruth Paine -- the two people who knew the very least about the JFK Assassination. They had to endure thousands and thousands of WC questions -- literally. (2.0) As for SUBSTANCE. The answer regarding why Boone did what he did will come when we examine all of the Dallas Sheriff Deputies. Especially Buddy Walthers. (2.1) I think a case can be made that Buddy Walthers was the leader on the ground. He leads the leap over the picket fence. He claims that he was the one who first ordered people to pile into the TSBD building. (2.2) The story about finding the gun is so neat and uniform by all the Deputies and Policemen on the 6th floor of the TSBD that one can make a case that they coordinated their statements before they took the WC stand. All best, --Paul
  25. Did the Dallas Radical Right kill JFK?

    Michael Paine was one of the final surviving witnesses of the behavior of Lee Harvey Oswald during the final weeks of Oswald's life. Michael Paine knew very well what a loose cannon Lee Harvey Oswald presented to his family, especially to Ruth Paine. Lee Harvey Oswald was -- in the words of George De Mohrenschildt --- "unstable." The wealthy Michael Paine (his mother was closely connected to old money on the East Coast) was also very well educated, actually brilliant -- and was an engineer for Bell Helicopter for most of his career. He was also a capable singer in Church choir. He was a Unitarian. More to the point, Michael Paine was somewhat of an expert on Marxism. His biological father was a dedicated Communist of the Leon Trotsky variety. His father had a very arge home in Los Angeles, and would hold enormous meetings at his home, with Communists from all over the world. Young Michael would soak it all in, noticing the sects and the in-fighting, and the points in common, and the points in dispute. Young Michael Paine knew Marxism like the back of his hand. He decided it wasn't for him. He joined the Democratic Party. One thing that Michael Paine knew in 1963 when he first met Lee, who loved to talk about Marxism (with people who knew what they were talking about) was that Lee Harvey Oswald never a genuine Marxist of any stripe. Lee Harvey Oswald was a big talker, and a big Fake. A genuine Marxist would always find like-minded people and join their organization, and start working in the streets for the kind of justice that their group demanded. There was no exception to that rule. Lee Harvey Oswald liked to read and talk -- but that's all that he liked to do. He would never ACT. He would never DO anything or JOIN any group to get off his butt and DO something. Michael Paine first met Lee Harvey Oswald at Lee's apartment on 214 West Neely Street in Dallas on April 2, 1963. Michael drove his car there from Irving, Texas, to pick the Oswald's up for dinner at Ruth Paine's home. (Michael and Ruth were separated. Michael lived in an apartment near his office, while Ruth lived with their two children in a small house in Irving.) Ruth had begun a personal friendship with Marina Oswald starting on February 22, 1963. They mostly talked about children. Marina had told Ruth her secret -- she was pregnant again. When Michael went to pick them up, Marina was not yet ready with Baby June and her things. Instead of helping her, Lee would bark orders to her in an impatient manner. This was between talking non-stop to Michael Paine. The most remarkable event that occurred on April 2, 1963, there at 214 West Neely Street, was that Lee Harvey Oswald proudly showed Michael Paine one of his "Backyard Photographs." In this photograph, Oswald was standing by the backyard stairs of the Neely apartment, holding his rifle and wearing his pistol, and holding two Marxist newspapers (from opposing Marxist organizations, though Lee evidently didn't know that). We know that Lee showed Michael this photograph now, because Michael Paine told Dan Rather this fact in a historical, face-to-face interview in 1995. Michael Paine looked at Lee's Backyard Photograph and was not impressed. It looked posed and phony. It fit the type of person who liked to talk and show off about Marxism, but never really joined a Marxist organization to DO ANYTHING. Pathetic, thought Michael. I fervently hope that Michael Paine left a written memoir about the JFK Assassination. No doubt this was the biggest event in this engineer's life -- being so close to the reputed John Wilkes Booth of his generation. Michael Paine -- in my humble opinion -- knew more about the Walker shooting than any other living person. I hope he left a memoir. It could change US History. Best regards, --Paul Trejo