Steven Kossor

Fluid dynamics has been established science for a long, long time - decades at least. Fluids move in a cone away from the source. A blunt object applies force differently than a speeding bullet and results in different "splatter" patterns, but the splatter always moves away from the source of the striking force. If the fluid lands on the driver's side quarter panel of a limousine, it was propelled in that direction, moving away from the source of the energy that struck the object that exhausted the fluid from inside it. The apex of the cone points toward the source of the energy that moved the fluid. You can't have blood and gore spraying on officer Hargis with sufficient force to make him think that he, himself, had been struck by a shot (rather than "driving through a mist"), without having the cone pointed close to 180 degrees away from Hargis and the driver's side quarter panel of the limousine in DP at one of the times that JFK was shot in the head on 11/22/63 (in the direction of the GK). If fluid traveled elsewhere, it's because of force being applied (shot(s)) from other locations. That's plain old fluid dynamics in action, no matter what the Zfilm or other media may, or may not, depict. That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

I'd be happy to digitize any audio tape recordings that anyone would like to make available to me (cassette tapes preferred) with the understanding that the digitized product (.mp3 recording) would be uploaded (donated at no cost) to MFF or other research database(s) so that it is as accessible as possible to the research community; no charge from me for the digitization. PM me if you'd like to talk about this. We definitely need to create digital copies of all analog recordings and the sooner, the better. Audio tapes begin degrading as soon as they're recorded and if they're stored incorrectly, the deterioration accelerates. 50 years is very, very old for an audio tape recording.

Thanks again for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification about agonal "breathing" being more of a reflex originating in the brainstem. That would mean that the oxygen exchange in the lungs that we associate with respiration wouldn't be occurring, right?

Interesting that Perry reports in this 11/22/63 evening interview that he did his tracheotomy surgery after Carrico had done the "endotracheal tracheostomy" that Perry had described in the 2:15 pm 11/22/63 press conference (he didn't mention his own tracheotomy work in the earlier press conference). Through Carrico's placement of the endotracheal tracheotomy tube (ineptly), Perry seems to have been led to believe that JFK was still alive, and he removed the improperly placed tube and did a throat incision to permit the direct insertion of a tracheotomy tube into JFK's trachea at the level of (or below) the throat wound (the reported site of his surgery moved over time). The other doctors who assisted in the tracheotomy surgery with Perry (Barker and McClelland, if memory serves) also neglected to describe that activity in their summary reports written in the afternoon at Parkland and also talked only about the Carrico-initiated placement of an endotracheal tracheotomy tube through JFK's mouth (which leaked because the cuff needed to seal the tracheal passageway was inflated above the level of the throat wound). If the accounts of JFK's appearance upon arrival at Parkland are accurate, he was cyanotic ("blue") upon arrival at Parkland, indicating a loss of oxygenated circulating blood for at least a few minutes with fixed & dilated pupils, eyes deviated from center, and no apparent heartbeat, so the reports of "agonal" breathing are dubious at best. He was DOA; by the time he reached Parkland, his brain was so damaged that it was not capable of generating the impulses necessary to produce the muscular contractions necessary for breathing to take place. Kemp Clark, the neurosurgeon who pronounced JFK dead, eventually admitted that JFK died "instantly" in DP, but that was after the news cameras had been pointed elsewhere for some time.

Thanks.

That is an obscene offer. You're finished.

So you'll take it to the grave with you. Atta boy.

Given the other photos of the visor, it is more likely that there was some white circular anomaly on the underside of the visor, rather than a hole through it that was covered-up by photo retouching. Another example of the depth and breadth of the research capability of the Education Forum. Thanks for the clarification. Still waiting to get the other 6 recordings of Nathan Pool from Mr. Morissette, and/or the floor plan of Parkland's ground floor showing the location of the elevator from which vicinity Pool reported to have made his observation of the movement of a gurney coming out of Trauma Room 1 with a purple covering over the body on it. Best wishes to all!

The rearview mirror appears to be showing the driver's side sun visor, and there is a bright circular area in the mirror's reflection of the visor. It looks like a hole in the visor, but the visor itself shows no such hole. If the visor was lowered, the hole would be at about the same location as the windshield hole described by several witnesses. Food for thought. If anyone has a diagram of Parkland hospital's ground floor that shows the location of the elevator area where Nathan Pool reports having been able to watch JFK's body being moved on a stretcher out of Trauma Room 1 under a "purple cover" I would really like to see it. There is no elevator depicted on any drawing of the hospital floor plan that I've seen, and I can't figure out where Pool was standing when he made his observation of the body on a stretcher being rolled out of Trauma Room 1. I wonder if Pool says where the stretcher was pushed after it left Trauma Room 1 in one of the five other recordings of his deposition at the HSCA that Mr. Morisette reportedly has.

Here's a link to the cleaned-up version of the first of six audio recordings that Denis Morissette posted a few weeks ago. The sound had to be slowed down by about 26% and there were four distinct sections in the recording that each had to be processed differently (probably due to storage problems over the years). The section where Pool describes watching JFK's body being rolled out of Trauma Room 1 on a stretcher covered with a "purple cover" occurs in the last section of the audio recording which is also the most clearly understandable. Best wishes to all; hope I can clean up the other 5 recordings some day. https://app.box.com/s/l7g2fn6pxzhmj52hz61qw54es0m3p62m

Thanks to David Butler for paging me on the subject of David Lifton's work over the last 10 years of David's life. I have not had any interaction with his estate since January of last year, but it is my understanding that the estate has, or soon will, complete the process of acquiring possession and ownership of 100% of his intellectual and personal property, including all electronic media and the contents of his Las Vegas apartment and the two storage units that he had been renting to conserve artifacts and other historically relevant media, based on the electronic last will and testament that he created with my technical assistance a relatively short time before he died. David shared bits and pieces of his work with many others over the last 10 years of his life so I'm confident that there are a number of recipients of information who can help to finish his works in progress at the time of his death, and that the estate will be contacting those who are known to have given information to him, and received information from him, based on the large body of electronic and other correspondence dating from at least 2005 that the estate has acquired. There is nothing more that I can contribute to the discussion of David's estate, but I am confident that the estate will contact me if it believes that I can provide clarification about any items or information that that it has acquired. Best wishes to all, always!

The jacket covering incident actually occurred before the hard top frame was placed on the car. I think the picture posted by Adam in section 4 this thread actually shows the bag that contained the hard top frame kept in the trunk and that the jacket was previously removed. The black-and-white movie I was referring to unmistakably shows the throwing of a jacket onto the driver's side tail light area by an adult male (not a police officer) before cutting away to a movie capturing the assembly of the hard top frame by a man in a suit & tie standing in the driver's doorway area, probably shot by a newsperson.

Appreciate your summary Mr. Morrow. Best wishes for the Holidays!

The interplay between Jim DiEugenio and Lori Spencer was engaging, informative and contained more than a few pieces of information that I hadn't heard before. Nice work!