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Steve Thomas

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  1. David, James Woodard, gun-running pal of Jack Ruby was from Knoxville. The entire state got together in a secret conclave and planned JFK. In order to throw everyone off the scent the secret meeting was held in Bowling Geen, KY - you know, where that massacre took place. Bet you didn't hear about that one either, did you? Those Volunteers, they're a closed-mouthed group. Steve Thomas
  2. All those CTers are wrong. It wasn't the mob or the CIA or the cuban exiles or the military-indusrial complex or Dallas oil men Tennessee did it. I offer the following proof: Robert Currwood (or Curtwood) Harrison was involved in a 4-car auto accident in Wyandotte, MI on June 20, 1952. The 1948 Mercury he was driving was owned by Thomas Eli Davis of Bristol, TN. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=69860#relPageId=2&tab=page The indices of the Identification Bureau of the Dallas County Sheriff's Office revealed that the Subject (Karen “Little Lynn” Bennett (Carlin)) was born 20 July, 1944 in Chattanooga, Tennessee. DPD Archives Box 4, Folder# 1, Item# 15, page 1. John Elrod, a 31-year-old cook was living in Memphis in 1964. Ray and Mary say Elrod was arrested November 22, 1963 at 2:45 p.m. by the Dallas Police and as such became the fourth tramp. He was placed in a cell with two other men. Within a few paragraphs we discover the men are Lee Harvey Oswald and a nineteen year old car thief from Memphis, Daniel Douglas. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/elrod.htm In its files, however, the FBI found that in June, 1942, John Howard Bowen, (aka Albert Osborne) operator of a boys' camp at Henderson Springs near Knoxville, Tennessee, had been accused by one of the boys of tearing down an American flag and stomping it in the ground. The 1942 flag desecration case led the FBI in its Oswald investigation to look for Bowen in Tennessee. It found that over the years the Knoxville Journal had published a few pieces on Bowen, being a former local resident, based on mail received about his missionary work in Mexico. http://www.ronaldecker.com/osborne.html A copy of a 1963 visitors registration at the old American Museum of Atomic Energy appears to show Lee Harvey Oswald visited the Oak Ridge (Tennessee) museum four months before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. http://knoxblogs.com/atomiccity/2013/11/22/lee-harvey-oswald-oak-ridge/ So there. Steve Thomas
  3. Thomas, I apologize for my sloppy research. I have no excuses. Steve Thomas
  4. The four teenagers and their history project. (Or at least three of the four are named) There's nothing earth shattering here, but it's kind of interesting to read their accounts and put it into context. They were working on a history project dealing with "subversive groups". CHARLES HODGES A 17-year-old high school student in Dallas, Hodges took photos at Dallas Love Field, on Stemmons Freeway immediately following the assassination, and at Parkland Memorial Hospital. That afternoon he sold his film to an Associated Press reporter. Recorded June 29, 1989, and June 13, 2011. http://www.jfk.org/oral_histories/charles-hodges/ JFK anniversary: Austinites remember when an assassination... http://www.mystatesman.com/lifestyles/jfk-anniversary-austinites-remember-when-assassination-shattered-ordinary-day/gsaF12sG5lMqzsNdjNsR1N/ “We found ourselves standing in the ambulance bay at Parkland Hospital,” O'Hara says. “We saw ... “Two of us went in, me and Charles Hodges. We listened to… Concord's David Wallace was eyewitness to history Nov. 22, 1963 ... http://www.eastbaytimes.com/2013/11/20/concords-david-wallace-was-eyewitness-to-history-nov-22-1963-2/ Nov 20, 2013 -... limousine parked in front of the Parkland Hospital in Dallas Texas. ... “My two friends, Will O'Hara and Charles Hodges, were able to go into... I sure wish the Sixth Floor hadn't pulled their oral histories from the web. Steve Thomas
  5. Thomas, Thank you. Ray Hawkins meets James Dean. Steve Thomas
  6. Baffling to say the least. http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2011/01/barbecue-with-a-side-of-heart/ Originally named the Bull Pen, the restaurant at 2321 W. Illinois opened in 1949. In 1957, when Oak Cliff voted itself “dry,” co-owner Bert Bowman sold out his half interest to his business partner, Austin Cook, who changed the menu, the restaurant’s name and the hours of operation. I'm hitting this mental block right now. What did they call the "rebel" teenagers in the 1950's? The ones who rolled up their t-shirts up over their biceps and stuck a pack of cigarettes up there, and smeared brylcream in their hair, wore white socks and rolled up the cuffs on their jeans? I read the other day that Oak Cliff was booming in the 1950's, and I'm picturing Tippit squaring off against groups of these kids in his part time security capacity. I've read that Tippit was not well liked among the kids and was regarded as a hard ass. We have this picture of Tippit based on the stock photos we've all seen, but I was kind of surprised to realize the other day that he was about 40 when he died. (That's all apropos of nothing, but I'm trying to put things in "context".) Here's a picture of Ray Hawkins - the guy who cuffed Lee Harvey Oswald in the Theater. Since when did ivory handled revolvers become stock issue for police officers? You're looking at a clash of cultures here. Steve Thomas
  7. Michael, Sit down with a map in one hand and Croy's testimony beginning on page 200 here: (and compare what he says on pp 200-201, with he says on pp 205+) http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/croy.htm and see if what he says makes any sense. On one hand, he says that he was going home (on Illinois presumablt) to change clothes, but then says that his clothes were at his parents house which was located 3 - 4 miles north. It's baffling to say the least. Steve Thomas
  8. This makes Kenneth Croy's WC testimony and his decision to eat lunch at Austin's BBQ all the more suspicious.
  9. From Bernard Weissman's WC testimony: Mr. JENNER. Did you at anytime while you were in Dallas ever have a meeting with or sit in the Carousel Club with Officer Tippit? Mr. WEISSMAN. No. Mr. JENNER. Do you know or do you have any information as to whether any of the associates you have mentioned ever had a meeting with Officer Tippit in the Carousel Club? Mr. WEISSMAN. None whatsoever. Mr. JENNER. Or whether or not, irrespective of whether it was a formal meeting or even an informal one, that they were with Officer Tippit at anytime in the Carousel Club. Mr. WEISSMAN. Absolutely not. Mr. JENNER. And you were never in the Carousel Club at all; and you never were with Officer Tippit. Mr. WEISSMAN. Right. Mr. JENNER. Any place. Mr. WEISSMAN. Any place. Mr. JENNER. Mr. Weissman, it has been asserted that a meeting took place on November 14, 1963, in the Carousel Club between Officer Tippit and yourself--and I take it from your testimony that you vigorously deny that that ever took place. Mr. WEISSMAN. Very definitely. May I say something in relation to this? Mr. JENNER. Is it pertinent to this? Mr. WEISSMAN. I believe so. I believe that this is a statement made by Mark Lane, who claimed to be attorney for the deceased Oswald. It was originally made at the Town Hall in New York, and later that same evening, I do not recall the date exactly, on a radio program Contact WINS New York, at about midnight of that same day. And in any case, I telephoned him several days after our radio and telephone conversation--I telephoned him at his office in Manhattan and got him on the line again. And I said. "Well, what has happened?" I was very curious as to what he had done about this. Mr. JENNER. Where did you reach him? Mr. WEISSMAN. At his office in Manhattan. I do not know the address. I had first contacted a law firm he was associated with previously, and they gave me his office number in lower Manhattan. And I telephoned him at his office. The secretary answered, then he got on the line. And he said this time--I don't recall exactly what was said before or after this particular part of the conversation. But I said that I want to meet this guy in Dallas, the one who told him this story and call him a xxxx to his face, and that I wanted it to be a public meeting, and Mark Lane said he would arrange for a public meeting, he would pay my transportation to Dallas to see this guy as soon as he could arrange a meeting. And I have not heard from him since. Steve Thomas
  10. There was a story at one time that J.D. Tippit and Jack Ruby had been seen together in the Carousel. I don't remember the details right now. There was a G.M. Tippit in the Special Service Bureau. His first name was Gayle. He told me once that he liked and was a friend of Jack Ruby's. He was sort of embarrased about his first name and went by the name, "Tip". Thanks for the research help on whether Ruby was ever asked if he knew J.D. Tippit. Steve Thomas
  11. Is this an area of research worth looking into? I vaguely remember in my past reading someone, (maybe Larry Hancock?) talking about the Cuban exiles connections, and also drug connections to Austin's BBQ. From: “A look back at Austin’s Barbecue” The Advocate. January 27, 2011 http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2011/01/barbecue-with-a-side-of-heart/ "Originally named the Bull Pen, the restaurant at 2321 W. Illinois opened in 1949. (It sat on the northeast corner of Hampton and Illinois," "In 1957, when Oak Cliff voted itself “dry,” co-owner Bert Bowman sold out his half interest to his business partner, Austin Cook, who changed the menu, the restaurant’s name and the hours of operation." "Dallas Police Officer J.D. Tippit moonlighted at Austin’s, working security on weekends. The Staff Report of the Select Committee on Assassinations reads “that he [Cook] had employed Tippit at the time of the assassination ‘as a deterrent’ to any teenage trouble from youths who frequented the establishment.”" "Due to a web of coincidental liaisons between Bowman and assassin Lee Harvey Oswald, the FBI interviewed Cook and many of the Cook and Bowman family members, with Cook telling the investigators that he never heard Tippit mention Oswald or Jack Ruby." "A man named Ralph Paul had purchased the restaurant Bowman opened after selling his share of the Bull Pen to Cook. Bowman’s wife stated she had known Paul since his 1951 move to Dallas and that at the time of the assassination, Paul was living in the lower level of the Bowman home. She reported that Paul was a close friend of Ruby’s and had expressed great concern for his friend after Oswald’s shooting. She also stated that Paul had brought Ruby by her home approximately four and a half years earlier, but that Ruby remained for only a short time." "Nothing came of the investigation." After Bert Bowman sold his half interest in the Bull Pen to Austin Cook, he opened another restaurant. He sold this restaurant to Ralph Paul. What was the name of the restaurant Ralph Paul purchased from Bert Bowman? Oswald allegedly shoots Tippit. Ruby shoots Oswald. Bert Bowman sells his half interest in the Bull Pen to Austin Cook who re-names it Austin's BBQ. After selling the Bull Pen, Bowman opens another restaurant. Ralph Paul buys this restaurant and lives in the Bowman home. Ralph Paul is Jack Ruby's best friend and business partner for years Tippit works part time at Austin's BBQ After Jfk's assassination, Tippit makes an unrecorded landline phone call from the Top Ten Record store. Tippit is killed Ray Hawkins makes an unrecorded landline phone call from a Mobil Gas Station at 10th and Beckley Hawkins arrests Lee Oswald. The handcuffs he uses to cuff Oswald are his own personal possessions and are later auctioned off for $250,000. Ray Hawkins has a permanent pass to the Carousel Club and visits several times. Austin Cook was asked by the FBI if Tippit knew Oswald or Ruby. Cook says no. Was Ruby ever asked if he knew Tippit? What do you think of the possibility that Tippit and Hawkins were calling the same person - --- Ruby --- to tell him that Oswald wasn't here, and they couldn't find him? What should they do? I think that the police officers' behavior in the Texas Theater was very suspicious. Three people; McDonald, Hawkins, and Brewer, said that Oswald was sitting by himself, and that Oswald was pointed out to them before they ever started down the theater aisles. Why did McDonald stop and frisk two other people before getting to Oswald? I think they were hoping Oswald would make a break for it and could be "shot while trying to escape." Steve Thomas
  12. Chris, You might be thinking of Austin's BBQ. There is a slight connection between Ruby and Austin's though. Take a look at this site: http://oakcliff.advocatemag.com/2011/01/barbecue-with-a-side-of-heart/ "Originally named the Bull Pen, the restaurant at 2321 W. Illinois opened in 1949. (It sat on the northeast corner of Hampton and Illinois,..." "In 1957, when Oak Cliff voted itself “dry,” co-owner Bert Bowman sold out his half interest to his business partner, Austin Cook,..." "A man named Ralph Paul had purchased the restaurant Bowman opened after selling his share of the Bull Pen to Cook. Bowman’s wife stated she had known Paul since his 1951 move to Dallas and that at the time of the assassination, Paul was living in the lower level of the Bowman home. She reported that Paul was a close friend of Ruby’s and had expressed great concern for his friend after Oswald’s shooting. She also stated that Paul had brought Ruby by her home approximately four and a half years earlier, but that Ruby remained for only a short time. Nothing came of the investigation." Steve Thomas
  13. It's interesting. I don't find anything in the literature about this Bar-B-Q place. Who owned it. Did they ever give an interview about what they saw... the comings and goings...? It's interesting. Steve Thomas
  14. Just as a little side note (and not related to the topic of your thread - please feel free to ignore) CE 1673 in volume 23 of the WC Hearings page 144. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139#relPageId=176&tab=page shows the building at 1312 Commerce was owned by H.H. Nichols and Clarice Nichols. I wonder if Jack Ruby's girlfriend, Alice Nichols was related. Steve Thomas
  15. Michael, I think the 1/2 part of 1312 1/2 Commerce meant that it was upstairs. The WC is full of stories about Ruby throwing people down the stairs. You might be interested in these photos: https://www.pinterest.com/pin/408701734911782916/ https://www.pinterest.com/perry_vermeulen/carousel-club/ It looks like the downstairs, or ground floor was a barbeque joint; the Real Pit Bar-B-Q Steve Thomas