Kirk Gallaway

Whew! Damn that David Pecker! No wonder Jim Di switched from endorsing Hillary Clinton for President in early 2016 (despite the Bernie surge at the time!) to end up voting for Jill Stein in the 2016 election. It was facing him every time he went to the supermarket! ^^^^^^^ It was the HC World War 3 Article directly ^ above that sent Jim Di and Jeff Carter over the top! heh heh

I'm amazed this thread has gone on for 3 pages on what is obviously a semantics "divide and conquer" statement, that has no real relevance. It's interesting it went to the third page, before Brown said anything of relevance. As Tom pointed out, he could have worded it differently, from the beginning. But the above statement is true, at least 95%. Most people on both sides don't really know any details. So I've never placed faith in the polling around the JFKA to mean anything significant. Even though often this general ignorance of the issues is what people come equipped with when they vote in our elections. A high percentage of people also thought Saddam was behind 911. I agree with Pat on this. Unfortunately there tends to be more of a wacko element in avid Cter's. In general, the many conspiracies fulfill a need to rationalize that there was never a real chance because life and conspiracies were stacked against them from the onset. I know that's not a popular thing to say. I've become more concerned , as an old parent given the realization that we may have given our kids a better childhood than we had, (with a lot of toys) but they now face the economic reality that most are not going to be better off than their parents. And a misdirected belief in conspiracies about some totalitarian government that doesn't exist might end up holding them back. It is important to get a better idea of what and who is the cause of this marginalization. This is probably the most demanding time since the 60's and it's no time to retreat into an era 60 years ago. It's time for them to get involved and make their issues known. JMO

I'm sure you've seen this Robert. Just to flesh out this.character. Not that I necessarily believe anything he says. H.L. Hunt was at one time the richest man in the world. Didn't he once own the KC Chiefs? I remember an interview where he once said, he was for LBJ in 1960. But he was extremely disappointed with his Presidency. I assume most of that was because of the Civil Rights Act. His wife held big Sunday Bible meetings but he was very cheap, and no philanthropist. Here , starting at 46:40 he is asked about his right wing political affiliations, about ties to the John Birch Society , his ties to Weismann who distributed some of the anti JFK literature around Dallas just prior to JFK's arrival, (which he denies funding, but apparently, knows him.) General Edwin Walker, the Kennedy Assassination. and the work of the Warren Commission.

W. I gleaned your very good article in the Political Discussions forum . It does seem like the one issue where I would have preferred Obama as President over Biden is the Israel Hamas War. As Obama was rightfully opposing Netanyahu and it almost appears that Biden started out using "atonement" with Bibi for Obama's sins for offending him! Obviously Bibi was very upset at Obama's peace accords with Iran and was very happy when Trump came in and pulled every lever with Trump to make sure he destroyed it. Of course, when Bibi came to Washington, he completely bypassed and snubbed meeting Obama and talked directly and wooed favor from the Republican Congress, who love him! Hey, I'm for decreased U.S. Defense expenditures. But there seems to be a sort of myopic projection back to the 60's here about the current U.S. military establishment. Correct me where I'm wrong, but from what I gleaned, it's worth mentioning that all of Trump's first cabinet military leaders were very much in favor of keeping the Iran peace initiatives as well as the MIC (Rex Tillerson), until Trump replaced them and Mike Pompeo, a known Iran hawk, became Trump's Secretary of State. I think the world, at this time would be at least a little closer to Peace if we had better relations with Iran,. though I don't claim to know the ins and outs of the Iran Peace initiative. I know the Iranians were hoping to start it up again when Trump left office. But Biden's put a lot more conditions on it and it failed, to Bibi's delight! Why do you think Biden jettisoned it?

Former Australian P.M Malcolm Turnbull says "When Trump's with Putin, it's like a 12 year old who goes to High School and meets the captain of the High School football team. Trump, the other day: "How many judges do I have to endure until somebody steps in? Somebody steps in? to do what Donald? To attack the judges or kill them?"

Sandy, As far as redefining the cooler descriptions. I'm used to it. I think by reading the descriptions of the 3 coolers, it's easy to understand your intentions. Maybe Cliff can give you a better description. To address your earlier post, Sandy. I also became disgusted with the direction of the 56 year thread and quit. You notice I didn't post at all in at least the final 10 pages. It's a tough job. But IMO a certain individual in particular was allowed to get out of control when they could have been nipped in the bud much earlier. I saw it all coming. To me, it became like the LAPD during the Rodney King riots. I think the mods just let it go completely to sh-t so we could get rid of it. I wasn't around for the end. I read it yesterday, and in the last couple of pages , there were people trying to re civilize the conversation.

Ok, That's Sandy's definition. I would have worded it differently. But you see it in distinction to the other 2 topics, so you see what he's going for and you can open it up and see. I thought Sandy did it pretty well, and you challenge the other side on the third option if you are so inclined.

Cory, in your honor, maybe we should change the name of this thread to "Sleuth of Ruth" heh heh You know I like you. Ok, Let's focus, and wrap this up. I don't need diversions about Cliff, and .Imdb, and this has nothing to do with whether Ruth knew the parade route. You asked this. And I answered one of several reasons that haven't already been given, that is they are 2 women with 4 children under 4 and may not like the prospect of minding them in big crowds. If you don't understand that answer, my guess is that married with children in Cory's life could be a very rude awakening! You might skip it! heh heh

Don't be coy. So you got 4 kids under 4, and one of them is a month old, and your wife loves to take them to parades? Well you're not typical.

? Why can't I just go to Cory?

Cliff, So you want to delete some of your links? I was able to go there and copy links. Go to "Political discussions", you'll see it there. I don't know if maybe the reason you haven't posted in the water cooler is because it's kind of confusing the way it is now. I'm trying to correct that and make it easier.

You did bring this up before Cory. Of course, why wasn't everybody in Dallas there? Cory: Namely, why she did not go down to the parade with Marina and children? Do you have kids Cory? Ruth Paine had 2 kids 4 and 2. Marina had 2 kids, one kid was 1 and a half, and one daughter was one month old! I assume if you had kids, that question wouldn't be such a mystery.

In the 80's, Bibi confidently brags about how he owns us!

Ben, The 56 year thread is permanently closed. I never suggested the 56 year thread would be moved on to this main page. What I suggested is if you pick the Water Cooler thread option on this JFK side, there would be a picture of the latest poster as in every other thread. And by clicking it, it would take you directly to the water cooler page, where you could still post your alternative view option.. It would save time and clicks.

At a certain point, just as in Ukraine, you have to draw the line when a country invades another's country's sovereignty. Israel escalated their conflict by invading Syria and bombing Iran's embassy.Then Biden won't stand up to Bibi about it. So now It's obvious Iran did a largely telegraphed ineffectual bombing back to save face but not to escalate a conflict with a superior opponent. The result is called "bullying." And Biden' doesn't have the balls to publicly call out Bibi on it. And Bibi got away with another one.. I'm watching CNN and this Jim Sciutto who now has a book about geopolitics (I thought he was a news anchor!) and he asked hopefully of a guest if this incident might help break the U.S. logjam and get more funding for Israel! It must be a secure feeling for Bibi to know that he can just bomb a foreign country and have the American taxpayer empty his pockets to stake the Israeli War Machine even further. Now this morning I see ABC's Martha Raddatz, war groupie, aching to go on assignment is somewhat exhilarated but "cautious." Obviously the U.S. is so powerful no civilized countries in Europe who wonder why is the U.S. is so in bed with Israel about this, would dare utter anything in opposition.

Welcome, Kevin, that was a good interview.. I agree with you it was not the oil depletion allowance or the right wing hard monetarists claims that JFK wanted to buck the Fed ,and the financial establishment. The theory that was very prevalent here that was propagated a lot by Oliver Stone and Jim di Eugenio is that the MIC, the mighty generals and big industrialists revolted when they found out JFK was going to pull out of Vietnam. I never bought that. Though I can understand Oliver Stone served his country and wanted to make some sense of it. I agree with your conclusions on this. Though it could hardly be said to be any smoking gun. Maybe about 7 years ago, when the forum IMO was really stagnant and seemed to be moving in lock step with the Dulles did it declarations of a couple of highly touted authors, I circulated this phone call in a thread to a stony silent reception. A couple of years later, when things had loosened up a bit, i posted it again, noting the previous reception in essence saying "Is there some reason we can't discuss this ? I'd like to hear anybody's reaction " and it was better. But the overwhelming response was that RFK suspected Dulles of killing his brother just as much as they all did. And was just going undercover and "feeling out" Dulles in the phone call. I didn't see it that way. i think if RFK had strong suspicions about Dulles, he wasn't the sort to hide it., and despite the well documented hostility between RFK and LBJ, I think they actually were working in tandem for the good of the country. (oh how could that be!) I think after the assassination RFK's, "Your guys did it " to Mc Cone was just a shot in the dark and he was totally overwhelmed with the question of who among the many possibilities could have killed his brother for probably quite a while. Dulles to RFK : "What is the timing on this?, I'm on this other commission you know, and we're trying to finish up our work". https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/secret-white-house-tapes/conversation-allen-dulles-and-robert-kennedy-june-23-1964

I will say KK has a point that intelligence could just make up BS stories about doomsday threats to Johnson to justify FISA warrants. But to assume that under some situations FISA warrants aren't necessary is just plain naive. But what kind of BS excuse could intelligence make up to Trump to justify not opening up files on a 60 year assassination?I wouldn't tend to believe any BS excuse Trump could make, as history has shown him a compulsive liar. But what was said? I don't know how many hundreds of times I've witnessed the trembling at hearing that Schumer statement here, Schumer is an institutionalist and will play up the U.S. as the biggest, baddest, and meanest intelligence organization in the world and it works!, as witnessed by the awe it inspires by it's the very mention here, particularly among those foreign to the U.S. But to those in Washington, that was not a "limited hangout". There's nothing ominous about that statement other than a general advisement to be careful who you screw with that most people understand.

Hey I was asking Sandy in his "Moderator Announcement " thread. What do you guys think of saving time and clicks and going directly to the water cooler from the JFKA forum, and being able to see from the JFKA forum, the latest poster on the water cooler like all other threads here? You might check out Sandy and I's dialog on that on the JFKA side.

So you're saying that would make it too accessible for our own good? Sandy Do you and @W. Niederhut want to return to the days of the "56 years" thread? Well sure. I'm a big boy. IMO, that thread screw up was largely instigated by a very small clique, and one person in particular. It's not for the idea of getting more forum eyeballs, if you think that's harmful. It's just ease of use, not just for W.and I. but everybody who uses it. Maybe even including you! Incidentally I should say I agree with this post's judgment. Threatening another member of the forum even as a joke blows!

More unhinged incoherent ramblings

Off topic: Sandy, i noticed the bottom thread of the "controversial issues from history" is the Water Cooler thread with a picture of the latest poster. I've always loved your picture Sandy, in that it makes me want to know who this person is. But your picture does dominate the skyline of this JFK assassination forum, heh heh a joke!, and for those of us who regularly use the water cooler, as you do, it would be much more direct (fewer clicks ) if we could 1) know if a new poster posted and 2) just go directly to the water cooler page from the JFK forum. Could you just put the water cooler page access with the latest poster directly here on the forum as you do on the "Controversial issues in history" page?

Ron: That photo of Rita Palma standing beside Looney Bird Powell means nothing because we don't know if it's real or not. Yes Ron it could be. Either that or she loves wearing that leopard skin coat. As far as Palma, This is no danger as she's completely out of her mind if she thinks RK is going to win New York! RK knows he's not going to win the election barring a Biden heart attack. RK's strategy for maximum leverage is to win one of the purple states Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania and hold the balance of power. But he knows if in the last days before the election he doesn't drop out or cut some deal with Biden to drop out and and urge his voters to vote for him , Trump will be elected. I would suspect this could break up his marriage as Cheryl Hines couldn't rationalize this to her Hollywood crowd and would become a Pariah. She does have influence as during covid she insisted in donors wearing masks at a fundraiser at their house. RK in interviews cleverly always acts like he defers to her. It's the electoral college that matters and RK isn't going to win one state. So he would be in a super spoiler role. Because of course his name on the ballot could throw one of those states to Trump. Of course recent revelations have caused people to think RK is an outright traitor to his Democratic roots.We must be vigilant but I'm nor convinced RK would make himself such a villain and still have no chance of getting the brass ring.If he does that, then we'll know he was always just a nut case. But I'm not convinced of that just yet.

Actually Matt, I did a little math and it's not such a stretch but not a landslide either. It was the best voter turnout in years in 2020. If most all of those people vote in 24 and we have say, 5 million more new voters from people coming of age to vote. If my scenario,, (which I don't stand firmly behind) of Trump losing a step and falling to 4% behind Biden and didn't advance beyond that point, Biden would win by near 12 million! votes.! After figuring it out, I would say a landslide would be near a 20 million vote margin.

I agree W. I do think there are unresolved PTSD issues with RK. I'm reminded of a story from Stephen Talbot who credits himself with first turning on RK to the fact that both his Father and Uncle were killed by conspiracies in 2004! He said RK coming to grips with Talbot's information was rather traumatic and he said his Mother always told the kids to "look ahead and not behind. " As I've said many times, the Kennedy clan have historically been absolutely useless to the cause and work of the JFKA conspiracy community. And their help could have been critical in the 60's but even so in the 70's . The forum is completely behind the Talbot idea that RFK if elected President would vigorously gone after the people behind the JFKA conspiracy, But there are only 2 pieces of evidence to that fact, and one isn't evidence at all. I forget some of the exact details but Talbot used the word of the wife of Walter Sheridan in his interview, I believe in the 90's or early 200's, long after Sheridan died. Talbot seemed to think she was very credible source but previously Di Eugenio has completely slandered Sheridan for his role in a 1967 CBS documentary that soft pedaled the JFKA. So i pointed out the contradiction there and it wasn't well received. The other quoted source that it seemed the forum embraced was a RFK aide, Adam Walinsky But when quoted Walinsky said that the potential RFK Presidential investigation was something that was fraught with danger if it didn't succeed and would require great deliberation if it was to be pursued. That statement was adopted here as if it was evidence that RFK would positively have launched an investigation into his brother's death, but the statement is very much the opposite, and yet it's now been accepted and bandied about the forum as if it's a hard fact! I'm open to any other evidence. But back to the point to Talbot's account, RK was finally considering that there was a conspiracy behind his Father and Uncle's death at 50 years old! And the excuse he gave for not being curious is that his Mother told all the kids to "look forward."?? He obviously just blotted out the entire chapter of his life. What a therapeutically dumbass thing to say, to your kids, but typical of the time. Even though he first started his researching in 2004, It's amazing how people here embrace RK as a real researcher! I'm sure he's now read Douglas, Scott, Talbot and Di Eugenio's, books which in some cases I think RK could come out after reading with a family Messiah complex! JMO He has a real dummied down, simplistic view of his family's legacy. But now it's pretty obvious he's been using the JFKA to fuel his campaign. He's so conveniently dummyed down, playing up his family peacemaker image, to "My Dad and Uncle were peacemakers and loved the U.S. S. R. so with the spirit of world peace we should give Putin everything he wants in Ukraine! This is a f----g travesty!

Ok, right now the good polls are showing the margins to be pretty even, and you're Biden up 12- 15 million. i think most political experts would say you're betting on a sea change. But I see the direction now as Biden. So we'll see on Nov. 5th.