Dan Doyle

In Helen Markham’s interviews and WC testimony she said Tippit’s killer was short, stocky and had wavy, bushy hair. Once I saw a photo of Ruby’s short-term roommate, George Senator (I believe he moved in at the beginning of November ‘63) I did a little more research on him. I read his WC testimony. It was sooo bad, soo disjointed that he was sent away and told to come back once he felt that he could testify cogently.

First thing I thought of when Epstein was exposed, Stanley Krubrick’s last movie “Eyes Wide Shut” .........not mention “The United States of Amnesia” as Gore Vidal called it

David, Help me out here. According to Armstrong, Lee is in the white T-shirt and was on the 6th floor and he leaves the TSBD @ 12:40; this what Roger Craig witnesses. Harvey in the brown shirt takes public transportation to 1026 N. Beckley. Lee is arrested in the balcony and Harvey is arrested below.....according to Armstrong Thanks for all your postings. I try to follow them........... but they're a little cryptic at times.

or why he left the TSBD going east on Elm, before he caught the bus going west on Elm to 1026 N. Beckley?

As long as this thread is touching on "2 Oswalds" or as author Harold Weisberg wrote in Oswald in New Orleans (1967) "the False Oswald", check out these photos of Michael Paine that Vince Palamara has posted on his blogspot: http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/2015/08/oswalds-friend-michael-paine-oswald.html Oswald's friend Michael Paine- Oswald double

Fantastic, well worth watching, high production values! Thanks Douglass

Wow, what a great piece, Robert. Anyone who invokes both Gen. " War is a Racket" Smedley Butler and Gibson's Battling Wall Street in the same JFK essay wins kudos from me. I'm rushed for time now, more latter. Thanks. Dan

amen!

Jim, One implication of John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee thesis I can't seem to find any distilled info on, like a chart, and you're obliquely referring to with the incident of Lee being seen driving Ruth Paine's station wagon, is the existence of a certain group of people who knowingly interacted with both Lee and Harvey and knew of their separate identities. Discounting the lady at the Texas Employment Office, the list begins with Ruth Paine, Marina Oswald, Robert Oswald, John Pic(?), and Harvey's mother/caretaker. But there must be others, like uncle Charles and aunt Lillian Murret, Lee's blood relations, and certain key players in the plot, like Ruby and Ferrie. Anyway, if John Armstrong has addressed this issue of the select group who knew both Harvey and Lee and of their separate identities I'd like to know where I can read about it. This is a little off topic, but I have to say that Armstrong's speculative essay "Escape from the 6th Floor" which is on the Harvey and Lee website is one of my favorite reads. Obviously he spent a lot of time sleuthing this out. He also did one of the best analysis/reconstructions of the Tippit murder. But all this is for another thread. Dan

Steve, I mistakenly inferred that Pena was with the DPD when he traced the telescopic sight. Sorry, but all these rabbit holes get confusing. Dan

Gene, Wow, good knowledge, this info about Manuel Pena is really interesting. I was aware of a "Pena" (and Hernandez) at the LAPD in conjunction with the RFK assassination, but I had no idea that this was the one and same Manuel Pena who was employed by the Dallas PD at the time of the JFK assassination. I'd like to pursue Pena's history with the DPD. Could you (or anyone else) point me in the right direction to learn more about his time with the DPD and before. And what about parallel career paths of Pena and Westbrook ? Stranger than fiction, as they say. great post Dan

Chomsky's a dirt bag. I know from my anti-war work in the 1960's. When the sh*t hit the fan, so to speak, he was conveniently MIA.

Jim, I don't have an axe to grind here. Whether or not Leary's story about MM and the LSD to JFK is true is really of no consequence, except maybe to the anti-Camelot crowd. Did JFK ever take LSD, who knows, but I think there is a high probability, given the crowd that JFK socialized with, that he knew more than one person who had taken it. Don't forget how trendy the JFK White House was; dancing the twist and hanging with Sinatra. What is of consequence is that MM, a close "associate" of JFK's and Cord Meyer's ex-wife, was killed assassination-style, that is 2 point blank range shots, first one to the back of the head and the coup de grace, one to heart,. All this while she walked in public park during broad daylight in Georgetown DC. This occurred 3 weeks after the Warren Report had come out. So either MM's untimely demise was just some random act of violence or there was something more sinister going on; kind of like all the inconvenient deaths of witnesses associated with the events of 11/22/63. Speaking of Camelot, have you read "The Road to Camelot" (Oliphant & Wilkie, 2017)? Good read. JFK's primary campaign for 1960 noination used a revolutionary strategy. What JFK figured out was that if he went into the 1960 Democratic Party convention with the majority of state's delegates, won through the individual state's primary elections(never done before), he could secure the nomination and avoid going to through the usual state and local party bosses(Favorite Son routine), who traditionally selected the party's nomination for president( smoke filled back rooms!). And guess who was the odds-on favorite of the party bosses and made no effort to discourage them? In fact, he was counting on it as his dutiful reward/legacy; ............... none other than "Landslide Lyndon". Hmmm? Plus you'll also like the chapter "Defying the Idea of Empire"

Jim, I'm with Paul on this. We know JFK and MM saw a lot of each other; i.e., White House logs, photos. Do we have definitive proof of Leary's account of JFK eating acid with MM, not really. And I agree, Leary must have been flipped by the US intelligence services, because he surely didn't like prison much. But, on the other hand, I don't see it as totally out of the realm of possibilities for JFK to indulge in LSD because, before LSD became a street drug in the mid 1960's, it was used as a "therapeutic" drug by high society/Hollywood types (Cary Grant and Aldous Huxley come to mind) in LA during the 1950's and early 1960's. And let's not forget who JFK's brother in law was, Peter Lawford of Rat Pack and Marilyn Monroe fame, who lived in Malibu. Given that JJ Angleton was caught by Ben Bradley breaking into MM's place in Georgetown after MM's demise( one .22 cal bullet behind her ear, just like RFK's assassination), there are justifiable suspicions that MM was on to something concerning 11/22/63 ( parallels Dorothy Kigallen's demise to a degree). And this was 3 weeks after the Warren Report came out( October '64). Lastly, we all know who MM's ex husband was, namely Cord Meyer, the #3 guy at the CIA, who gave us Operation Mockingbird, which we are still living with.

This forum for me is, after all is said and done, purely recreational, like reading Talbot, Douglas, DiEugenio, Armstrong, Newman, etc. Do I really want to drop in and read a bunch of personal attacks and petty bickering?...., not really. In the last analysis, if I wanted to subject myself to a lot of negativity and personal insults, I'd be a counter-protestor at a Trump/NRA rally, not a member of this forum. So let's hope that this Ignore Function works as described and makes participation in this virtual space a more enjoyable and stimulating experience..

John Abt was the chief counsel for the CPUSA at the time(11/23/63). So either Oswald was staying " in character" as a commie sympathizer while in the Dallas City Jail( which seems curious given his "I'm just a patsy" comment) in trying to contact Abt or this Abt episode was a fabrication by the "Castro did it"/ Oswald's a commie" faction. And I thought I read somewhere that John Abt , after his death, was exposed as an informant for the FBI.

Mae Brussell is probably turning over in her grave. Comparing her to Alex Jones is complete BS. She was the first person I ever heard publicly expose the CIA's MKULTRA program and the FBI's COINTELPRO program. This was on her weekly radio program broadcast across Monterey Bay by fm radio station KLRB (Carmel, Ca.) back in the day, say 1971 or maybe earlier. Her unique research work helped set the stage for the major Congressional inquiries into the CIA and FBI during the 1970's culminating with the HSCA in 1978. Alex Jones is a media sensation, Mae Brussell was the real deal as an original researcher(albeit somewhat overly melodramatic at times).

they were revolutionary, because they betrayed their class much like FDR, it all ended on June 5 1968,

Exactly

Dude, it means "The Alliance for the Progress", your disinformation won't fly here

yes, it just confirmed what I'd been thinking. thanks

JFK's Alliance for Progress was proposed publicly in March of 1961. Notice that this was a month before Operation Zapata(Bay of Pigs); a remnant of the Eisenhower/Nixon Administration that JFK inherited. The Alliance for Progress was intended by JFK to counter the appeal of Castro's Revolution in underdeveloped Latin America. Whereas Eisenhower and Nixon were very much into "hard power"(military/CIA), especially so after Arbenz in Guatamala and then Castro in Cuba, to keep Latin America "free" of more left wing revolutions, Kennedy's Alliance was a "soft power" (money and culture) strategy with the same goal. The kicker that JFK used to make the Alliance not just more of the "same old, same old" that Latin America had heard many times before was how this program would be funded; "The basic idea was that aid money would now come from the Treasury Department, bypassing the punitive restrictions of the IMF, Export-Import Bank and private loans". (kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-enemy-within-the-rise-and-fall-of-the-alliance-for-progress). Giving Latin American countries access to development funding( JFK proposed 20 billion in 1961 dollars) through the US Treasury was a seriously revolutionary proposal in terms of threatening The Established Order not only in the Latin American countries but also in the US. Basically JFK was proposing to fund Latin American competition against the existing local and foreign corporations( mostly US ones) who had the proverbial "stranglehold" on both the local economy and society. This is enough to give any old Latin American aristocrat, let alone any old US aristocrat, heartburn, to say the least. So it is my thinking that commonly held historical view that JFK's presidency first, serious alienation of the "power structure" in the US occurred with his refusal to use the US military in the beleaguered BOP invasion of Cuba is incorrect( not to mention the JFK -US Steel price roll back that happened a week earlier than the BOP). I believe that "strike one" against JFK happened a month earlier when his Alliance for Progress, with its revolutionary funding, was proposed.

totally agree.

Couple of things here. From my readings, at this family Thanksgiving gathering (at Robert Oswald's house), the first since LHO returned from the USSR in June of '62, Marguerite Oswald was a no-show( unless that's her in home film, but I don't think so) Maybe there's a simple explanation, like she had the flu, or didn't get along with some of her in-laws etc., but she lived fairly close by....not across the country...just saying. The other thing that crossed my mind looking at this clip, is how wholesome, "guy next door" LHO looks. Now project this personality forward 10 months to August of 1963 when LHO is in NOLA and Dean Andrews say this same LHO shows up in his law office with a group of "gay mexicanos" looking for legal help to reverse his "undesirable discharge"( the type of discharge gays in the military received in the 1950's and 60's). So who is this LHO person; the family man spending the uniquely American holiday of Thanksgiving with his family or the swinging LHO hanging out with his "gay mexicanos" friends in NOLA. Remember, intelligence operative LHO was doing his fake defector routine in Russia when his undesirable discharge was handed down. I mean what's that all about, LHO is a government/military operative on a mission in the USSR and he gets a lousy, less than honorable discharge from his employers (this same government/military). Not exactly how you build "esprit de corps" in your fake defector program......just saying

David, As a fellow alum of UCSC, ('70)..."go slugs" and a big admirer of your writings on the JFK case, hope your recovery speeds along and that you're feeling almost normal in the very near future. Dan Doyle ps. remember listening to Mae Brussel on KLRB in the 1970's?