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John Butler posted a topic in JFK Assassination DebateSeparate Realities: A view from the Lady in the High Castle We only have two views of the South West corner of Elm Street and Houston Street. These views are from the Zapruder film and the Elsie Dorman film. Isn’t that strange? Isn’t that very, very strange. Only Elsie Dorman in the TSBD was filming? No one in front of the TSBD or in Mannequin Row was taking pictures? No one was taking photos further down Elm St. towards the freeway signs? No one was taking photos in the crosswalk on North Houston? No one was taking pictures in the crosswalk of East Elm St.? No one was taking pictures on East Houston St. Strange indeed! By viewing these two films we should be able to establish how many people were on the SW corner of Elm and Houston. The two films should match. They don’t. By viewing these films frame by frame, we come up with a different number of people there at the same time in the two films. The discrepancy between counting people there in the two films is too large. The Elsie Dorman film has approximately ten more people there as the Zapruder film does. One film shows people that are not present in the other. This is a large discrepancy! Which one is a fake? The Zapruder film has two beginnings. The beginning of the Zapruder film starts with the Z frame 1 with 3 motorcycle policemen at the beginning of the presidential motorcade making the turn onto Elm Street. The film misses the Pilot Car and the Advance Car. This is all that is shown of the parade or motorcade. This lasts for 132 Z frames and is about 7 seconds in length. The second beginning starts at Z frame 133. The presidential limousine appears magically on Elm Street in this frame. We have missed the lead car, and 5 motorcycle policemen. How much time has passed is unknown. Perhaps, as much as 20 or more seconds have passed. Given the time of the third wave (3 motorcycle policemen) of the motorcade to pass is 7 seconds then we can guess at how long it has taken the other waves of the motorcade to pass. This is at least 21 seconds or longer. The time of Elsie Dorman film on the SW corner of Elm and Houston is unknown. The entire film is about 1minute and 25 seconds in length. It begins as the presidential limousine is turning onto Houston Street from Main Street. Elsie Dorman said she stopped filming when the President and the limousine turned unto Elm Street. This would be as the 5 lead motorcycles were turning onto Elm Street or just shortly afterward as the presidential limousine turned onto Elm Street. One can get a notion of this in the following panorama. This panorama is not correct. There may be missing frames and the frames are assembled out of sequence here. People are covered with black paint blotches. The lead car is missing and out of sight. Does this indicate somebody knows something? Check out the distance between the Johnson vehicle and the Secret Service vehicle? Did someone know something? 4 out of 5 motorcycle policemen are missing. Data is missing from this panorama that highlights major differences between Elsie Dorman and Zapruder. Shooting from the 4th floor should give one a wider view of events below. There is also a gap in the film similar to Zapruder but, not at the same place. This gap is in front of the Court Records Building. This is similar to many other assassination films. Howard Brennan on the retaining wall and a man in bid overalls and what appears to be a railroad hat are used as markers because they are visible in Elsie Dorman and before and after the gap in the Zapruder film. I call this man the Railroad Man because of his clothing. If you count west of the red line between Howard Brennan and the Railroad Man you will find about 16 people there in this panorama. Someone knew of the problem of the difference in the number of people in the two films. This is an attempt to bring Elsie Dorman in tune with Zapruder. The SW corner after Z frame 133 has 16 people countable in the Zapruder film. This panorama is a clever attempt to hide major differences between the Dorman and Zapruder films. This will be made clearer as we move along in the discussion. Just as an aside, this panorama is just a second or so before the assassination ambush of President Kennedy begins. You will not find anywhere a visual record of the presidential limousine passing the Court Records Building.