1979 assassination attempt on President Jimmy Carter

[Douglas Caddy]

In May 1979 two men were arrested in Los Angeles while President Jimmy Carter was visiting there in an alleged assassination attempt on Carter.

One was an Anglo and the other an Hispanic.

The Anglo, upon being arrested, was found to have a starter pistol on his person with 70 rounds of blank ammunition. The Anglo identified the Hispanic as his co-conspirator. Both men led the authorities to a hotel where the men, who were street people, claimed that they were recruited by three men from Mexico. The role of the two men was to create a diversion while the three men from Mexico assassinated Carter.

Within hours of the incident Carter cancelled a planned national television appearance that had been previously announced, which was never rescheduled.

The above incident is recounted by Jim Marrs in an interview this week for subscribers on www.dreamland.com.

Marrs noted that the names of the two men arrested were Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo Artiz.

According to Marrs, after the incident, Carter evolved into a do-nothing president, apparently having come to the realization that the country was really run by a selected group of men and that being President of the United States meant he had power inferior to that exercised by the selected group.

[Myra Bronstein]

In May 1979 two men were arrested in Los Angeles while President Jimmy Carter was visiting there in an alleged assassination attempt on Carter.

One was an Anglo and the other an Hispanic.

The Anglo, upon being arrested, was found to have a starter pistol on his person with 70 rounds of blank ammunition. The Anglo identified the Hispanic as his co-conspirator. Both men led the authorities to a hotel where the men, who were street people, claimed that they were recruited by three men from Mexico. The role of the two men was to create a diversion while the three men from Mexico assassinated Carter.

Within hours of the incident Carter cancelled a planned national television appearance that had been previously announced, which was never rescheduled.

The above incident is recounted by Jim Marrs in an interview this week for subscribers on www.dreamland.com.

Marrs noted that the names of the two men arrested were Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo Artiz.

According to Marrs, after the incident, Carter evolved into a do-nothing president, apparently having come to the realization that the country was really run by a selected group of men and that being President of the United States meant he had power inferior to that exercised by the selected group.

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Stephen Turner

Aug 12 2005, 12:22 PM

Post #1

"Taken from Conspiracy Nation, by Dave Emory.

One thing I really noted it got little publicity, but he (Carter) said, We are going to have to go all the way back to the assassination (JFK) to get this country right. No sooner was Carter doing that than in May, summer of 1979, on a trip to L A there was an aborted attempt on the Presidents life. Two gunmen who had come up from Mexico named, Ray Lee Harvey, and Oswaldo Ortiz (Love the names were arrested for stalking Carter with a rifle,then they just disappeared, fell of the radar screen, no follow up on the prosecution or anything. I suspect a message was being sent to Carter."Anybody got any more on this, or is it B/S..Steve."

It's a subject I'd wanted more info on. So I saved it.

Edited July 1, 2007 by Myra Bronstein

[Charles Drago]

These choices of noms de guerre are most revealing, if hardly unique.

Recall that the Diana case's version of Richard Case Nagell calls himself "Oswald LeWinter."

Then again, we always knew about Dealey Plaza's three musketeers.

Charles

[Guest Mark Valenti]

I found a record of a Raymond L. Harvey being buried in a Florida cemetery on 10/9/87.

Regardless, this story sounds fishy.

[Jack White]

Was it the Carter/Ford or Carter/Reagan debate where

Carter was asked a question about the CIA, and when

Carter said the word CIA, the microphone went dead,

and there was an embarrassing ten minutes of silence...

just video of the candidates behind the lecterns shuffling

their feet and looking silly?

This was widely interpreted as the CIA showing Carter

they were not to be messed with.

I googled the event, but could find nothing.

Jack

[Myra Bronstein]

...(Carter) said, We are going to have to go all the way back to the assassination (JFK) to get this country right.

...

I sure would like to know when Carter said that?

Does anyone know?

On edit:

Ah, April. Post #59 in the Stephen's Carter thread:

"So what have we got, in April, Carter hints that he might re-open the Kennedy case. He is being attacked by the media and right wingers who portray him as a "lame duck" president, his problems in the middle east only add to this picture. Carter asks for (and is given) a TV slot to reply to his critics. Those around him say he is going to announce major policy changes, and that he plans a fight back against the Reaganites.On the day before his appearance one Ray lee Harvey is arrested armed with a pistol and lots of blank ammo, he is held on a charge of attempted assassination, he gives up a second man, Oswaldo Ortiz,who tells investigators that they had been hired by two Mexican hitmen to create a disturbance, allowing the Mexicans time to assassinate Carter. When Police search the Hotel room of one Umberto Camacho they find a rifle case, and three live rounds, the would be assassins however have disappeared into the ether. Nothing further is known about either the Mexicans, or the fate of Harvey & Ortiz. Meanwhile Carter calmly goes down without a fight..."

To put it in context:

1979, March 29--HSCA issues final report & concludes that JFK was assassinated by Oswald, probably as a result of a conspiracy.

So April '79 Carter mentions JFK and May '79 he's threatened by neo-Oswalds.

On edit (again):

Duke Lane had some good info in the other thread, particularly the links:

http://archive.alienzoo.com/conspiracytheo...assination.html

http://tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/tvncust-login...;RegType=Search

"See AlienZoo Conspiracy Theory for more info in an account by Jim Marrs. A synopsis:

Raymond Lee Harvey was a "grubby transient" who the SS noticed "acting nervous" as Carter's appearance was approaching. They were found to have a .22-cal 8-shot revolver and 60 rounds of blank ammunition, a "cap gun" in other words. A Secret Service spokesman called it "as nothing as these things get."

Apparently, Harvey fingered 21-year-old Osvaldo Espinoza-Ortiz as a "co-conspirator," the two of them "local street people" supposedly hired by a couple of Mexican "hit men" to create a diversion while the Mexicans killed Carter. They took authorities to a nearby hotel where they found an empty rifle case and three(!) rounds of live ammo. The room was rented under the name of Umberto Camacho, who had checked out on the day of the Carter visit.

Elsewhere on the net, in the Vanderbilt Television News Archives, we find that Walter Cronkite devoted two full minutes to this episode on May 11, six days after it occurred. On May 29, Cronkite gave it another 20 seconds' coverage noting that a federal prosecutor in Louisiana was seeking dismissal of the charges against the pair due to "insufficient evidence."

Does anyone know of other news archives like the Vanderbilt one?

Edited July 1, 2007 by Myra Bronstein

[John Geraghty]

In May 1979 two men were arrested in Los Angeles while President Jimmy Carter was visiting there in an alleged assassination attempt on Carter.

One was an Anglo and the other an Hispanic.

The Anglo, upon being arrested, was found to have a starter pistol on his person with 70 rounds of blank ammunition. The Anglo identified the Hispanic as his co-conspirator. Both men led the authorities to a hotel where the men, who were street people, claimed that they were recruited by three men from Mexico. The role of the two men was to create a diversion while the three men from Mexico assassinated Carter.

Within hours of the incident Carter cancelled a planned national television appearance that had been previously announced, which was never rescheduled.

The above incident is recounted by Jim Marrs in an interview this week for subscribers on www.dreamland.com.

Marrs noted that the names of the two men arrested were Raymond Lee Harvey and Oswaldo Artiz.

According to Marrs, after the incident, Carter evolved into a do-nothing president, apparently having come to the realization that the country was really run by a selected group of men and that being President of the United States meant he had power inferior to that exercised by the selected group.

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Stephen Turner

Aug 12 2005, 12:22 PM

Post #1

"Taken from Conspiracy Nation, by Dave Emory.

One thing I really noted it got little publicity, but he (Carter) said, We are going to have to go all the way back to the assassination (JFK) to get this country right. No sooner was Carter doing that than in May, summer of 1979, on a trip to L A there was an aborted attempt on the Presidents life. Two gunmen who had come up from Mexico named, Ray Lee Harvey, and Oswaldo Ortiz (Love the names were arrested for stalking Carter with a rifle,then they just disappeared, fell of the radar screen, no follow up on the prosecution or anything. I suspect a message was being sent to Carter."Anybody got any more on this, or is it B/S..Steve."

It's a subject I'd wanted more info on. So I saved it.

The weapon used by or planted upon John Hinckley when he shot Reagan was bought on Elm Street in Dallas. These names above are not simply coincidental. I think their names and the choice of Elm street to buy Hinckley's weapon is an indication that a message is being sent out.

John

[Guest Mark Valenti]

From Time mag archive:

Monday, May. 21, 1979

Skid Row Plot

Skid Row Plot A scheme to kill Carter?

The man clearly was unstrung. He had a history of mental illness. He also bore an eerily resonant name for a person claiming to be part of a four-man plot to assassinate a President: Raymond Lee Harvey. At first, it all seemed too weird to be taken seriously.

Unemployed and a drifter, the Ohio-born Harvey, 35, claimed to have met three men with Latin names in downtown Los Angeles two weeks ago. On May 4 he was with the three in a third-floor room of the skid row Alan Hotel, near the Los Angeles Civic Center. The three told him they intended to shoot President Carter, who was scheduled to talk to a crowd in the center on the following day, a Saturday. They asked him to help. Under the plan, Harvey was to work his way toward the front of the crowd, then fire a starter pistol. That was to create a diversion during which two of the others would fire at the President with rifles from an undisclosed location.

Harvey was given a starter pistol. He and one of the men, whom he called Julio, went to the roof on Friday night and fired seven blanks from the pistol to see how much noise it would make. He spent the night at the hotel in a room with Julio. The other two men occupied another room on the same floor.

Just a wild tale by a wino? Perhaps, but just before Carter was to speak on Saturday, Harvey was in the crowd—and he looked so nervous that he drew the attention of a Secret Service agent. As the agent approached him, Harvey began walking rapidly away, and was seized. He was carrying a starter pistol. As he told his story, Secret Service and FBI agents tried to check it out. They found the man Harvey knew as Julio, but he gave his name as Osvaldo Espinoza-Ortiz, 21. He admitted being an illegal alien from Mexico.

At first Espinoza denied knowing Harvey, but under questioning he said he had known him for more than a year and knew the other two Latins as well. They, he said, had showed him two loaded rifles. He knew one of the men as Umberto Camacho. Agents found a shotgun case and three rounds of live ammunition in refuse from the room rented by Camacho, who had checked out of the hotel on Saturday. When agents seized Harvey, Espinoza said, he had been standing in the crowd only ten feet away.

Was it nevertheless just skid row chatter among transients who had no intention of carrying out the killing? And why would they have wanted to kill the President? Federal prosecutors in Los Angeles were not certain. But they charged Harvey with conspiring to kill the President and jailed him on a $50,000 bond.

Espinoza was held as a material witness under $100,000 bail. The other two men were being sought. The U.S. Attorney was to decide this week whether to seek grand jury indictments. Declared FBI Spokesman Tom Sheil: "Any time there's a threat against a President or a possible plot against a President, we're going to take it seriously."

[Anthony Thorne]

The Xymphora blog had a post on this last year (reprinted here below) plus a bunch of links, showing Xymph's overall analysis of the event for what it's worth. Back when I first read this, I noticed on a couple of other forums that an Australian researcher had kept the Sydney Morning Herald (or was it The Australian) news article cuttings that covered the original story. As I said to some friends back then, I'm not surprised we rarely hear about this incident as it kind of 'gives the game away' regarding covert assassination threats from the spook monolith power networks being used to send a clear, easily decipherable warning to Carter. It's not in the links below but another forum post I read at the time quoted Carter as mentioning to Billy Graham(?) at a meeting around this period that he had 'lost control of his government'. It would be nice to hear a horse's mouth discussion someday from various high-profile Democratic leaders exactly what they thought of Bushco and The Secret Team's covert-and-not-so-covert strongarming of the government. I'm sure they'd have a few stories to tell.

.....

Xymphora - Monday, January 23, 2006

Lee Harvey Osvaldo

On May 5, 1979, Raymond Lee Harvey was arrested by the Secret Service while he awaited the arrival of Jimmy Carter at a Cinco de Mayo Mexican festival at the Los Angeles Civic Center Mall. Shortly thereafter, they arrested Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz, who had been standing nearby. Raymond Lee Harvey had been carrying a revolver and blank cartridges. His story, later confirmed by Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz, was that they had been part of a plot involving two Mexican men who had been staying at the nearby Alan Hotel, and who were going to shoot Carter. Shooting the blanks was supposed to create a distraction for the real assassins. When police checked the hotel they found an empty shotgun case and three rounds of live ammunition in a room rented by a Mexican man who had checked out on the day of Carter's visit.

Although the authorities had what appears to be a confession backed up by some hard evidence at the hotel, charges were apparently dismissed on the basis of insufficient evidence. 'Raymond Lee Harvey' plus 'Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz' equals 'Lee Harvey Osvaldo', which is close enough to send Carter a message. He appears to have received the message:

On July 3, 1979, he signed a directive authorizing secret aid to Islamic opponents of the government in Afghanistan. This eventually led to the war in Afghanistan in which Islamic insurgents from Saudi Arabia managed to defeat the Soviets. Bin Laden rose to prominence in this war, and the basis of al Qaeda was established.

On July 15, 1979, Carter gave his famous 'malaise' speech which was used by the Republicans to defeat him.

After months of resistance, on October 20, 1979 Carter gave in to much pressure (going back to April 1979), particularly from Kissinger, and allowed the Shah of Iran into the United States for medical treatment. Coupled with the inexplicable failure to evacuate the American embassy in Tehran, this decision led directly to the hostage crisis.

We have to wonder how many of Carter's bad decisions, all of which had major consequences benefiting the extreme right in American politics and which continue to resonate in American politics today, were made as a result of the implied threat made by 'Lee Harvey Osvaldo', who, we have to assume based on the fact that nothing appears to have been done about the matter, was working for some official agency of the American government.

LISTINGS OF CRONKITE STORY ON ATTEMPTED CARTER ASSASSINATION, PLUS LATER DISMISSAL OF CHARGES AGAINST 'RAYMOND LEE HARVEY'

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1979-...-11-CBS-10.html

http://openweb.tvnews.vanderbilt.edu/1979-...5-29-CBS-7.html

CARTER'S JULY 1979 DIRECTIVE AUTHORIZING SECRET AID TO AFGHAN REBELS

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Afghanis...IA_Taliban.html

http://www.fff.org/comment/com0301x.asp

CARTER ADMITS THE SHAH INTO THE U.S

http://www.unc.edu/depts/diplomat/archives...herty_shah.html

[Myra Bronstein]

...

The weapon used by or planted upon John Hinckley when he shot Reagan was bought on Elm Street in Dallas. These names above are not simply coincidental. I think their names and the choice of Elm street to buy Hinckley's weapon is an indication that a message is being sent out.

John

Ohmygod, good catch John.

I didn't know that.

[Michael Clark]

Ten years, worthy of a bump.

[Peter McGuire]

yes was worthy of a bump

[Peter McGuire]

yes it was

[Michael Clark]

I get it. Can't blame a guy for trying to help the cause...

Cheers

Michael

[Ron Bulman]

On 6/30/2007 at 10:23 PM, Myra Bronstein said:

To put it in context:

1979, March 29--HSCA issues final report & concludes that JFK was assassinated by Oswald, probably as a result of a conspiracy.

So April '79 Carter mentions JFK and May '79 he's threatened by neo-Oswalds.

On edit (again):

A thread worth reading.