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Robert Howard

One of the Good Guys - Loren Coleman

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I do not post as much as I used to, frankly because I realized that researching and posting on the Forum, don't work for me anymore, time-wise, and concurrently, if you are not an author of a high-profile book or at least article on the JFK Assassination, you can be wrote off, as another "some schmuck who think's he knows a lot about the JFK Assassination who doesen't bring much to the party.

That is probably as it should be, and I have no qualms with that, but I do feel quite a bit of angst about the fact that there is such a wide gulf in the year 2007 concerning who is a good researcher from day's of yore and who was a dis-info specialist, there was in the 1960's some semblance of a tight knit group of researchers working together, who did more to put JFK Research where it is today, than can ever be imagined.....

Having said that, it is not often these day's that I see someone who has a cerebral quality that stands out, and contrary to popular belief there are a lot of good guys today, who want America to be what the researchers of the 1960's wanted it to be, a city shining on a hill, in which national greatness was a desired State of the Union, as it were instead of some glib soundbite uttered by today's crop of politicians, who are so popular, a recent Gallup Poll revealed that a whopping 19% of the American people stated that they trusted their government to tell the truth.......

So I want to plug an area of research, that is unexplored to a great degree & simultaneously point out a good guy, when I see one, and that is Loren Coleman, he wrote a book entitled: The Copycat Effect: How the Media & Popular Culture Trigger Tommorrow's Headlines

See

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0743482239...325#reader-link

He also wrote another article that should be required reading for students of the JFK Assassination, which appeared in the book Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader entitled Tom Slick - Mystery Man

If you think you know everything there is to know about 11/22/63 and haven't read this, you would be wise to do so

See

http://www.amazon.com/Popular-Alienation-S...r/dp/1881532070

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I do not post as much as I used to, frankly because I realized that researching and posting on the Forum, don't work for me anymore, time-wise, and concurrently, if you are not an author of a high-profile book or at least article on the JFK Assassination, you can be wrote off, as another "some schmuck who think's he knows a lot about the JFK Assassination who doesen't bring much to the party.

That is probably as it should be, and I have no qualms with that, but I do feel quite a bit of angst about the fact that there is such a wide gulf in the year 2007 concerning who is a good researcher from day's of yore and who was a dis-info specialist, there was in the 1960's some semblance of a tight knit group of researchers working together, who did more to put JFK Research where it is today, than can ever be imagined.....

Having said that, it is not often these day's that I see someone who has a cerebral quality that stands out, and contrary to popular belief there are a lot of good guys today, who want America to be what the researchers of the 1960's wanted it to be, a city shining on a hill, in which national greatness was a desired State of the Union, as it were instead of some glib soundbite uttered by today's crop of politicians, who are so popular, a recent Gallup Poll revealed that a whopping 19% of the American people stated that they trusted their government to tell the truth.......

So I want to plug an area of research, that is unexplored to a great degree & simultaneously point out a good guy, when I see one, and that is Loren Coleman, he wrote a book entitled: The Copycat Effect: How the Media & Popular Culture Trigger Tommorrow's Headlines

See

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0743482239...325#reader-link

He also wrote another article that should be required reading for students of the JFK Assassination, which appeared in the book Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader entitled Tom Slick - Mystery Man

If you think you know everything there is to know about 11/22/63 and haven't read this, you would be wise to do so

See

http://www.amazon.com/Popular-Alienation-S...r/dp/1881532070

Years ago he and I corresponded, and he sent me one of his books on his study of Cryptozoology.

"Researchers" like Lamson and Colby will scoff at this and use it to discredit it. In case you are

unfamiliar with the term...it is the study of creatures like BIGFOOT, SASQUATCH, ABOMNIBLE

SNOWMAN, etc.

Thanks for mentioning him.

Jack

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I do not post as much as I used to, frankly because I realized that researching and posting on the Forum, don't work for me anymore, time-wise, and concurrently, if you are not an author of a high-profile book or at least article on the JFK Assassination, you can be wrote off, as another "some schmuck who think's he knows a lot about the JFK Assassination who doesen't bring much to the party.

That is probably as it should be, and I have no qualms with that, but I do feel quite a bit of angst about the fact that there is such a wide gulf in the year 2007 concerning who is a good researcher from day's of yore and who was a dis-info specialist, there was in the 1960's some semblance of a tight knit group of researchers working together, who did more to put JFK Research where it is today, than can ever be imagined.....

Having said that, it is not often these day's that I see someone who has a cerebral quality that stands out, and contrary to popular belief there are a lot of good guys today, who want America to be what the researchers of the 1960's wanted it to be, a city shining on a hill, in which national greatness was a desired State of the Union, as it were instead of some glib soundbite uttered by today's crop of politicians, who are so popular, a recent Gallup Poll revealed that a whopping 19% of the American people stated that they trusted their government to tell the truth.......

So I want to plug an area of research, that is unexplored to a great degree & simultaneously point out a good guy, when I see one, and that is Loren Coleman, he wrote a book entitled: The Copycat Effect: How the Media & Popular Culture Trigger Tommorrow's Headlines

See

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0743482239...325#reader-link

He also wrote another article that should be required reading for students of the JFK Assassination, which appeared in the book Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader entitled Tom Slick - Mystery Man

If you think you know everything there is to know about 11/22/63 and haven't read this, you would be wise to do so

See

http://www.amazon.com/Popular-Alienation-S...r/dp/1881532070

Years ago he and I corresponded, and he sent me one of his books on his study of Cryptozoology.

"Researchers" like Lamson and Colby will scoff at this and use it to discredit it. In case you are

unfamiliar with the term...it is the study of creatures like BIGFOOT, SASQUATCH, ABOMNIBLE

SNOWMAN, etc.

Thanks for mentioning him.

Jack

Not a problem, I wish that I could post part of the article but it is [only, lol] about 11 pages or so.....

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I do not post as much as I used to, frankly because I realized that researching and posting on the Forum, don't work for me anymore, time-wise, and concurrently, if you are not an author of a high-profile book or at least article on the JFK Assassination, you can be wrote off, as another "some schmuck who think's he knows a lot about the JFK Assassination who doesen't bring much to the party.

That is probably as it should be, and I have no qualms with that, but I do feel quite a bit of angst about the fact that there is such a wide gulf in the year 2007 concerning who is a good researcher from day's of yore and who was a dis-info specialist, there was in the 1960's some semblance of a tight knit group of researchers working together, who did more to put JFK Research where it is today, than can ever be imagined.....

Having said that, it is not often these day's that I see someone who has a cerebral quality that stands out, and contrary to popular belief there are a lot of good guys today, who want America to be what the researchers of the 1960's wanted it to be, a city shining on a hill, in which national greatness was a desired State of the Union, as it were instead of some glib soundbite uttered by today's crop of politicians, who are so popular, a recent Gallup Poll revealed that a whopping 19% of the American people stated that they trusted their government to tell the truth.......

So I want to plug an area of research, that is unexplored to a great degree & simultaneously point out a good guy, when I see one, and that is Loren Coleman, he wrote a book entitled: The Copycat Effect: How the Media & Popular Culture Trigger Tommorrow's Headlines

See

http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0743482239...325#reader-link

He also wrote another article that should be required reading for students of the JFK Assassination, which appeared in the book Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader entitled Tom Slick - Mystery Man

If you think you know everything there is to know about 11/22/63 and haven't read this, you would be wise to do so

See

http://www.amazon.com/Popular-Alienation-S...r/dp/1881532070

Years ago he and I corresponded, and he sent me one of his books on his study of Cryptozoology.

"Researchers" like Lamson and Colby will scoff at this and use it to discredit it. In case you are

unfamiliar with the term...it is the study of creatures like BIGFOOT, SASQUATCH, ABOMNIBLE

SNOWMAN, etc.

Thanks for mentioning him.

Jack

Not a problem, I wish that I could post part of the article but it is [only, lol] about 11 pages or so.....

My mistake 14 pages

namebase.org has this social diagram list of names

SLICK AIRWAYS 6

COON CARLETON STEVENS SR 5

BYRNE PETER (TOM SLICK AIDE) 4

DALAI LAMA (TENZIN GYATSO) 4

FITZGERALD DESMOND 3

COLEMAN LOREN 2

COWELL ADRIAN 2

DOLAN BROOKE 2

MIND SCIENCE FOUNDATION 2

PEISSEL MICHEL 2

POPE ALLEN LAWRENCE 2

TOLSTOY ILYA 2

AIR ASIA 1

AMERICAN SOCIETY FREE ASIA 1

CHENNAULT CLAIRE LEE 1

CHILD JULIA MCWILLIAMS 1

CIVIL AIR TRANSPORT 1

CLARK LEONARD FRANCIS 1

COON CARLETON STEVENS JR 1

COOPER MERIAN 1

CRANSTON ALAN (D-CA) 1

DOIG DESMOND 1

E-SYSTEMS CORPORATION 1

FLEMING IAN 1

FLEMING PETER (MI6) 1

GILLMORE HARRY 1

GOOCH JOHN III 1

GRAY GORDON 1

HILLARY EDMUND 1

IZZARD RALPH 1

JACKSON WILLIAM HARDING 1

KANTOR MICKEY (MICHAEL) 1

LAWSON LOWELL 1

LEARY WILLIAM M 1

MACLEAN CATHY 1

MCCLURE ROBERT A (GEN) 1

MEYER CORD JR 1

MEYER MARY PINCHOT 1

MULGREW PETER 1

NEVISON TOM 1

PATTERSON GEORGE N 1

POSHEPNY ANTHONY 1

PRESCOTT ROBERT 1

RAUTENBERG ERWIN 1

RAYTHEON SYSTEMS COMPANY 1

RIPLEY SIDNEY DILLON 1

ROOSEVELT KERMIT (KIM) 1

ROUSSELOT ROBERT E 1

RUSSELL GERALD 1

RYHINER PETER 1

SANDERSON IVAN T 1

SOUERS SIDNEY WILLIAM 1

STANDARD VACUUM OIL COMPANY 1

THOMPSON JIM (THAI SILK COMPANY) 1

TOMPKINS PETER 1

UNITED WORLD FEDERALISTS 1

WALLER JOHN H 1

YOUNG HAROLD (MISSIONARY) 1

YOUNG WILLIAM (BILLY) 1

My My....What an interesting assortment of people and groups Cord Meyer.....Robert Rousselot, the Dali Lama.....Dez, Ian Fleming......Maybe there is more out there book wise, than the minimalist listing on namebase.....

SLICK THOMAS BAKER

Nepal 1957-1959

* Back Channels 1992-W (6-7)

* Thomas,K. Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader. 1995 (305-19)

* Who's Who in America. 1962-1963

http://www.namebase.org/cgi-bin/nb01?Na=Slick%2C+Tom

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Tom Slick is a very interesting guy. Developed Texstar Corp, was a director of Slick Airways and Dresser Industries. He was also the founder of the Southwest Research Center.

During WW2 he was a Lt. in the Navy. Mid to late 1950's, Slick spent time in the Himalayas hunting the Yeti.

In 1962, Slick was killed in a plane crash.

In addition to that list of interesting names, there is also Anthony Poshepney aka Tony Poe, the Agency man in Laos.

Slick below.

James

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Tom Slick is a very interesting guy. Developed Texstar Corp, was a director of Slick Airways and Dresser Industries.

\DRESSER??

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH

Edited by Shanet Clark

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Shanet, certainly a observation worth mentioning. This article is a must read, I also have discovered Coleman wrote an entire book on Tom Slick entitled Tom Slick and the Yeti.....From what I've read in the article I am sure that this is not one of those, David Icke'esque type pieces of journalism. What makes Colemans article about Slick so compelling, is he draws ala timelines of OSS and CIA activities that coincided with Slick's geographical placement at very interesting periods in time.

What is needed is to post the article on the Forum, yet its length makes that somewhat problematic, I suppose the best idea would be to get Coleman to pop in on the Forum, and discuss his views on Slick. I hate to sound like a broken record, but if you read the article it is very apparent that Slick is a person that at worst has a peripheral linkage to what was happening in the covert world in the 1950's, and until his death in 1962, and at best, was definitively connected to activities perhaps, not so peripheral to the Kennedy Assassination, as the article states .......

"One wonders if Slick's peace work was rubbing people the wrong way. After all, President John F. Kennedy would be killed in Texas, Slick's home state, only fourteen months after Slick died. Maybe the conservative forces in America were trying to send someone a message with a special Texas flare?

One of the more interesting linkages Slick had was through his role as a member of the Advisory Board of the United World Federalists,(Coleman, 1989). Founded in 1947, the United World Federalists' was the intellectual Cord Meyer. Suddenly, in 1950around the time China was advancing on Tibet, Meyer left the organization's head post in the hands of liberal Alan Cranston [presently the senior United States Senator from California] and joined the CIA's covert operations division. A close associate was quoted as saying: "It was a great surprise to all his friends. He was not the CIA type. He was a world government man." (Smith, 1972) In 1954, Meyer was named Chief of the CIA's Covert Action operations. Hardened by political battles with Joseph McCarthy and by personal tragedies, years later a friend would say that Cord Meyer "got Cold Warized" (Smith, 1972).

Tragedies haunted Cord Meyer. One of Meyer's sons died in an automobile accident. Then there's the story of his former wife, Mary Pinchot Meyer, JFK's last lover. Mary Meyer was killed by an unknown assailant on October 12, 1964 on a C&O towpath in Washington D.C.

Much darkness surrounds Mary Pinchot Meyer's death, but it appears dozens of people connected to the JFK inner and outer circles were killed. JFK Assassination researcher John Gooch III of New Orleans has wondered aloud if perhaps Tom Slick was in on some early planning meetings regarding the Kennedy killing, backed out and was killed for knowing too much.Then theres that mysterious meeting of 14 individuals and Tom Slick that the FBI was watching in 1962. There's the hints and informants claims that "everyone knew Slick was helping run guns to Cuba." A deeper level of involvement between Slick and several figures in the JFK drama keep cropping up."

Below is an entry for Tom Slick from the Texas Online website.....

SLICK, THOMAS BAKER, JR. (1916-1962). Thomas Baker Slick, Jr., oilman, rancher, philanthropist, and founder of the Southwest Research Institute and the Southwest Foundation for Biomedical Research in San Antonio, was born at Clarion, Pennsylvania, on May 6, 1916, the son of Thomas Baker and Berenice (Frates) Slick. His father, one of the most famous independent oil operators in the Southwest, was known as "Lucky Tom" and "King of the Wildcatters." When Tom Slick, Sr., died in 1930 at the age of forty-six, he left his children approximately $15 million. Tom, Jr., used his wealth to support activity in a variety of fields, including scientific research, oil drilling, cattle breeding, exploration, and collections of modern art. When Slick was twelve, his family moved from San Antonio to Oklahoma City. He attended Phillips Exeter Academy from 1931 to 1934. In 1938 he earned a premedical degree in biology from Yale University, where he was a Phi Beta Kappa. He later took graduate courses at Harvard University and Massachusetts Institute of Technology. During the first part of World War II he was a "dollar-a-year" man for the War Production Board in Washington and a cargo officer in Chile for the Board of Economic Warfare. He later served in the navy in the Pacific and Japan.

Slick established a number of research organizations, beginning in 1941 with the Foundation of Applied Research (now the Southwest Foundation for Biomedical Research; see also Argyle Hotel). He also founded the Institute of Inventive Research (1944; liquidated 1953), designed to develop and promote the ideas of independent inventors; the Southwest Research Institute (1947); the Southwest Agricultural Institute (1957); the Mind Science Foundation (1958), which investigates the human mind; and the Human Progress Foundation (1960), was intended to promote better conditions through science, education, and the advancement of peace. The first three of these-the SFRE, IIR, and SR-became units of the Southwest Research Center, which Slick endowed with 3,800 acres of land and $2 million. Slick helped to develop Brangus cattle, and his herd of registered Anguses was one of the three largest in the country. His oil activities included the discovery in 1947 of the Benedum Field in West Texas, one of the most significant oil finds in the United States after World War II. Slick was co-inventor of the lift-slab method of building construction. He wrote The Last Great Hope (1951) and Permanent Peace: A Check and Balance Plan (1958). He was a collector of modern art and sculpture. As an avid adventurer and world traveler, he spent two weeks with a Waiwai tribe in the jungles of British Guiana in 1956, after his plane made a forced landing during a diamond-hunting trip. He also organized several expeditions to search for the "Abominable Snowman" in the Himalayan Mountains and led one of the expeditions himself, in 1957. Later his attention shifted to the Pacific Northwest, where there were reports of a Bigfoot or Sasquatch.

Slick was a trustee and governor of the Texas Research Foundation, the Worchester Foundation for Experimental Biology (Massachusetts), the Stanford Research Institute (Palo Alto), Trinity University, and the San Antonio Medical Foundation. He was a member of numerous organizations, including the United World Federalists, the National Planning Association, the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the Explorers Club. He also served on the board of directors of a number of companies, including Slick Airways and Dresser Industries,qv and was a founder of the TexStar Corporation. In 1953 he received an honorary doctor of science degree from Trinity University. Slick was married and divorced twice and had four children. He died in a private airplane crash on October 6, 1962, near Dell, Montana, and was buried in Mission Burial Park, San Antonio.

BIBLIOGRAPHY: Loren Coleman, Tom Slick and the Search for the Yeti (Boston: Faber and Faber, 1989). Robert Lubar, "The Adventures of Tom Slick," Fortune, July 1960. San Antonio Express, October 8, 1962. San Antonio Express-News, December 24, 1989. Harold Vagtborg, The Story of Southwest Research Center (San Antonio: Southwest Research Institute, 1973). Vertical Files, Barker Texas History Center, University of Texas at Austin.

James R. Compton

The following, adapted from the Chicago Manual of Style, 15th edition, is the preferred citation for this article.

Handbook of Texas Online, s.v. "," http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online...es/SS/fsl7.html (accessed August 26, 2007).

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Another curious component here is the pilot of the plane that died in the crash which also killed Slick.

The pilot's name was Shell Suddereth and at the time he had been charged (along with several others) with inducing a bank official to make false entries. The official was James Cook Evans and the bank was the First National in Dallas.

Several were found guilty including Suddereth. There was an interesting chain of associations in this case which included some of Dallas' more high profile citizens. An interesting example of the power structure and politics within the city of Dallas.

FWIW.

James

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Another curious component here is the pilot of the plane that died in the crash which also killed Slick.

The pilot's name was Shell Suddereth and at the time he had been charged (along with several others) with inducing a bank official to make false entries. The official was James Cook Evans and the bank was the First National in Dallas.

Several were found guilty including Suddereth. There was an interesting chain of associations in this case which included some of Dallas' more high profile citizens. An interesting example of the power structure and politics within the city of Dallas.

FWIW.

James

Your info is very interesting, Coleman checked with the FAA regarding the plane crash and was referred to the NTSB, who, informed him that those records had been destroyed, as the Church Lady [Dana Carvey] might say "We'll isn't that conveeeniieeent"

Have you read Coleman's article? He has a blog, but its one of those that doesent seem to have a email/contact us URL.

See

http://www.cryptomundo.com

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Robert,

Sorry, where is that article located? Sometimes I'm just not that bright. :rolleyes:

Regarding Slick, Suddereth and that plane crash, you may wish to check out a Dallas resident named Earl Suddereth. He was Shell's brother but I'm not sure if he is still alive. At the time he was with Air Transport Command at Love Field and I believe had some inside information on that crash.

FWIW.

James

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Robert,

Sorry, where is that article located?

I found Coleman's article in a book version of

Popular Alienation: A Steamshovel Press Reader; and the Article - Tom Slick - Mystery Man; 14 pages

Thanks for info on Suddereth

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It is more than interesting to note the small world of media figures, journalists and Foundations in the world of 1963...There is a miasma of fellow travelers, the oligarchical families that figure so prominently in American political history, Cabot, Harriman, Lodge, Bush, Kennedy etc....

While there is nothing conspiratorial to be implied in the following, National Geographic Magazine [July 1963] had an interesting group in their Board of Trustees at that time.....

National Geographic Magazine

BOARD OF TRUSTEES

GILBERT M. GROSVENOR

Chairman of the Board formerly Pres. National Geographic Society, and Editor of its magazine (1899-1954)

THOMAS W. McKNEW

Vice-Chairman of the Board, formerly Executive Vice-Pres. and Secretary (1932-1962)

ROBERT B. ANDERSEN

Secretary of the Treasury, 1957-61

LEONARD CARMICHAEL

Secretary, Smithsonian Institution

LEO OTIS COLBERT

Rear-Admiral U.S. Coast Guard

& Geodetic Survey, Retired

HUGH L. DRYDEN

Deputy Administrator, National

Aeronautics and Space Administration

ROBERT V. FLEMING

Chairman of The Board

Riggs National Bank

CRAWFORD H. GREENEWALT

Chairman of The Board, E.I. du Pont

de Numours & Company

MELVIN BELL GROSVENOR

Editor, National Geographic

EMORY S. LAND

Vice-Admiral U.S. Navy

Retired; Formerly Pres.

Air Transport Corporation

CURTIS E. LEMAY

Chief of Staff, U.S. Air Force

H. RANDOLPH MADDOX

Vice-President American Telephone

& Telegraph Company Retired

BENJAMIN M. McKELWAY

Editorial Chairman, Washington Star

WALTER K. MYERS M.D.

Physician

MELVIN M. PAYNE

Executive Vice-President

National Geographic Society

LAURANCE S. ROCKEFELLER

Chairman of The Board Rockefeller Brothers, Inc.

& President Jackson Hole Reserve

JUAN TRIPPE

President, Pan-American World Airways

FREDERICK G. VOSBURGH

Associate Editor, National Geographic

JAMES H. WAKELIN, JR.

Assistant Secretaty of the Navy for

Research & Development

EARL WARREN

Chief Justice of the United States [supreme Court]

ALEXANDER WETMORE

Research Associate

Smithsonian Institute

LLOYD B. WILSON

Honorary Board Chairman, Chesapeake

& Potomac Telephone Co.

CONRAD L. WIRTH

Director National Park Service Dept. of the Interior

WILLIAM E. WRATHER

Director, U S Geological Survey, (Ret.)

From inside of page 1 of National Geographic Magazine July 1963 Issue

For some reason it made me think of Tom Slick.....

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Another curious component here is the pilot of the plane that died in the crash which also killed Slick.

The pilot's name was Shell Suddereth and at the time he had been charged (along with several others) with inducing a bank official to make false entries. The official was James Cook Evans and the bank was the First National in Dallas.

Several were found guilty including Suddereth. There was an interesting chain of associations in this case which included some of Dallas' more high profile citizens. An interesting example of the power structure and politics within the city of Dallas.

FWIW.

James

Your info is very interesting, Coleman checked with the FAA regarding the plane crash and was referred to the NTSB, who, informed him that those records had been destroyed, as the Church Lady [Dana Carvey] might say "We'll isn't that conveeeniieeent"

Have you read Coleman's article? He has a blog, but its one of those that doesent seem to have a email/contact us URL.

See

http://www.cryptomundo.com

lc@lorencoleman.com

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Much darkness surrounds Mary Pinchot Meyer's death, but it appears dozens of people connected to the JFK inner and outer circles were killed. JFK Assassination researcher John Gooch III of New Orleans has wondered aloud if perhaps Tom Slick was in on some early planning meetings regarding the Kennedy killing, backed out and was killed for knowing too much.Then theres that mysterious meeting of 14 individuals and Tom Slick that the FBI was watching in 1962. There's the hints and informants claims that "everyone knew Slick was helping run guns to Cuba." A deeper level of involvement between Slick and several figures in the JFK drama keep cropping up."

I have often wondered if this was also true of Phil Graham (3rd August 1963) who was mixing in the same circles as Tom Slick and Cord Meyer.

A point about the death of Michael Meyer. In 1954 a disillusioned Meyer was trying to leave the CIA and Operation Mockingbird. In the summer of that year Meyer family's golden retriever was hit by a car on the curve of highway near their house and killed. The dog's death worried Cord. He told colleagues at the CIA he was afraid the same thing might happen to one of his children.

Meyer continued to try and get out of the CIA by joining a publishing firm. He had made some good contacts in this field during Operation Mockingbird. On 18th December, 1956, Cord's nine-year-old son, Michael, was hit by a car on the curve of highway near their house and killed. It was the same spot where the family's golden retriever had been killed two years earlier. Meyer got the message and he stopped applying for other jobs. This incident also made Mary Pinchot Meyer extremely hostile to the CIA.

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So what were the circumstances of the son's death? Was it a hit and run? Did the driver stop? Who was the driver? Did the nine year old run in front of the car? Without knowing these details it is ludicrous to claim the CIA was sending Meyer a message by killing his nine year old. John, you either know the details and aren't sharing them (which is troubling, suggesting the details do not support your proposition) or you do not know the details in which case the proposition you advance is meaningless. If there is any evidence the CIA killed a nine year old, can you provide it?

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