Was Ruby shooting LHO faked?

[Jack White]

Photographer Who Snapped

Infamous Oswald Photo

Said 'No Blood At Crime Scene'

By Greg Szymanski

Arctic Beacon.com

10-19-6

Bob Jackson, former photographer for the Dallas Tiimes Herald who

captured on film Ruby shooting Oswald, reveals for the first time on

American radio he didn't see a speck of blood on the body or at the

crime scene.

For those JFK assassination researchers and truth seekers, a startling

revelation was made on American radio Thursday, as Bob Jackson,

former Dallas Times Herald photographer, made public for the first

time that there was "not a speck of blood anywhere" on the body or at

the crime scene when Jack Ruby supposedly shot and killed Lee

Harvey Oswald.

Jackson was on assignment for the Dallas paper on the morning of

Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald was being transferred from his holding

cell and snapped the picture "seen around the world," a Pulitzer Prize

winning photo of Oswald grimacing with Jack Ruby fully visible with

pistol in hand, shooting Oswald.

After 43 years, Jackson told listeners of Greg Szymanski's radio show,

The Investigative Journal, he witnessed no blood on Oswald after the

shooting, as well as "not a speck of blood" at the crime scene leading all

the way to when Oswald was put in the ambulance.

"I sure did think it was strange not to see any blood whatsoever," said

Jackson, whose award-winning photo was later published first on the

Times Herald front page and then in the Saturday Evening Post.

"I stayed on the scene well after Oswald was taken away in the

ambulance and I never did see any blood, not one drop."

Jackson's startling revelation adds fuel to the fire of researchers who

claimed Oswald was never shot by Ruby, but later killed by CIA

operatives in the ambulance after Oswald was sedated against his will.

Jackson's testimony, never before released in the American media,

backs up other researchers who claim Oswald and Ruby faked the

shooting as a part of an undercover operation designed to eventually

eliminate Oswald's knowledge of the real JKF assassination team as

well as his part played as the government's patsy.

"Oswald probably was told to fake the shooting and then was double

crossed by Cia operatives who killed him in the ambulance in order to

eliminate any loose ends in the Kennedy assassination," said one

researcher who claims Oswald was used as a patsy.

On the Investigative Journal, Jackson was joined by researcher Brian

David Andersen, a long time JFK truth advocate, who said Jackson's

testimony gives further credibility to the discrepancy to the type and

angle of the wound reported in Oswald's autopsy and the angle of the

gunshot would captured in Jackson's photo taken as Ruby supposedly

fired the pistol into Oswald's chest.

"The bullet should have went straight through Oswald if you look at

Bob's photo, but later the attending physician said the angle of the

bullet was at an upward angle" said Andersen after he questioned

Jackson on the radio show, indicating the possibility that Oswald was

actually shot after he was placed in the ambulance. "The absence of

blood also indicated this to be a real possibility."

Regarding the Kennedy autopsy, Andersen was also privy to inside

information, showing the final doctor's report used by the Warren

Commission was rigged.

"When growing up in Irving, Texas (suburb of Dallas) my neighbor

was Dr. Charles Baxter M.D., the Parkland Hospital coordinating

surgeon on John Kennedy," said Andersen. "On November 23 1974,

while I was photographing a hand surgery being conducted by the

doctor, Baxter explicated and thoroughly detailed all of the events that

occurred related to him regarding the treatment of Kennedy that was

purposely excluded from the Warren Commission Report. The truth

is so more outlandish than any kind of fiction."

In the radio interview, Jackson added that he was also present in the

presidential motorcade ? seven cars behind the lead vehicle - the day

Kennedy was shot, hearing three distinct shots coming from the

direction of the book depository.

"I looked up after the shots and saw a rifle being pulled in from the

window but I couldn't make out who it was," said Jackson . "I also

remember seeing two police officers run right into the book depository

and remember thinking who ever fired the shots never had a chance of

getting out of the building without being caught or killed."

Regarding the Oswald photo seen by tens of millions of people,

Andersen set the scene as it took place in 1963.

"In the basement of the Dallas Police Department on November 24,

1963 were two photographers. Jack Beers pointed a twin-lens reflex

camera while working for the Dallas Morning News and took a

photograph of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald

"One sixteenth of second after Jack Beer pressed the button on his

camera, Bob Jackson with a 35mm camera and working for the Dallas

Times Herald, pressed the button on his camera.

"Beers immediately returned to the darkroom and processed his

photograph that was instantly sent out on the wire services around the

world. Everyone who witnessed Beer's photograph for the next two

hours stated he would win the Pulitzer Prize.

"HoweverBut...Also...and Hold On!

"The City Desk of the Dallas Times Herald ordered Bob Jackson to

remain in the basement of the Dallas Police Department for over an

hour and half therefore his film was not processed until two hours after

Oswald had been shot.

"After Jackson's picture was printed in the darkroom, Felix McNight,

managing editor of the Times Herald shouted and stomped his feet as

he tried to describe the fantastic photograph to the photo editor of Life

Magazine but to no availthe magazine was under a tight publishing

deadline and the Life editors believed they had the best photo therefore

Beer's photo was published in the most popular American publication

in 1963.

"Bob Jackson's photo was published on the front page of the Times

Herald and in the Saturday Evening Post. Bob Jackson's photo won

the Pulitzer Prize and numerous other awards and his photograph is an

icon of American history. Jack Beer's photo became an almost

forgotten footnote in American History by 1/16 of a second."

[Evan Marshall]

Photographer Who Snapped

Infamous Oswald Photo

Said 'No Blood At Crime Scene'

By Greg Szymanski

Arctic Beacon.com

10-19-6

Bob Jackson, former photographer for the Dallas Tiimes Herald who

captured on film Ruby shooting Oswald, reveals for the first time on

American radio he didn't see a speck of blood on the body or at the

crime scene.

For those JFK assassination researchers and truth seekers, a startling

revelation was made on American radio Thursday, as Bob Jackson,

former Dallas Times Herald photographer, made public for the first

time that there was "not a speck of blood anywhere" on the body or at

the crime scene when Jack Ruby supposedly shot and killed Lee

Harvey Oswald.

Jackson was on assignment for the Dallas paper on the morning of

Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald was being transferred from his holding

cell and snapped the picture "seen around the world," a Pulitzer Prize

winning photo of Oswald grimacing with Jack Ruby fully visible with

pistol in hand, shooting Oswald.

After 43 years, Jackson told listeners of Greg Szymanski's radio show,

The Investigative Journal, he witnessed no blood on Oswald after the

shooting, as well as "not a speck of blood" at the crime scene leading all

the way to when Oswald was put in the ambulance.

"I sure did think it was strange not to see any blood whatsoever," said

Jackson, whose award-winning photo was later published first on the

Times Herald front page and then in the Saturday Evening Post.

"I stayed on the scene well after Oswald was taken away in the

ambulance and I never did see any blood, not one drop."

Jackson's startling revelation adds fuel to the fire of researchers who

claimed Oswald was never shot by Ruby, but later killed by CIA

operatives in the ambulance after Oswald was sedated against his will.

Jackson's testimony, never before released in the American media,

backs up other researchers who claim Oswald and Ruby faked the

shooting as a part of an undercover operation designed to eventually

eliminate Oswald's knowledge of the real JKF assassination team as

well as his part played as the government's patsy.

"Oswald probably was told to fake the shooting and then was double

crossed by Cia operatives who killed him in the ambulance in order to

eliminate any loose ends in the Kennedy assassination," said one

researcher who claims Oswald was used as a patsy.

On the Investigative Journal, Jackson was joined by researcher Brian

David Andersen, a long time JFK truth advocate, who said Jackson's

testimony gives further credibility to the discrepancy to the type and

angle of the wound reported in Oswald's autopsy and the angle of the

gunshot would captured in Jackson's photo taken as Ruby supposedly

fired the pistol into Oswald's chest.

"The bullet should have went straight through Oswald if you look at

Bob's photo, but later the attending physician said the angle of the

bullet was at an upward angle" said Andersen after he questioned

Jackson on the radio show, indicating the possibility that Oswald was

actually shot after he was placed in the ambulance. "The absence of

blood also indicated this to be a real possibility."

Regarding the Kennedy autopsy, Andersen was also privy to inside

information, showing the final doctor's report used by the Warren

Commission was rigged.

"When growing up in Irving, Texas (suburb of Dallas) my neighbor

was Dr. Charles Baxter M.D., the Parkland Hospital coordinating

surgeon on John Kennedy," said Andersen. "On November 23 1974,

while I was photographing a hand surgery being conducted by the

doctor, Baxter explicated and thoroughly detailed all of the events that

occurred related to him regarding the treatment of Kennedy that was

purposely excluded from the Warren Commission Report. The truth

is so more outlandish than any kind of fiction."

In the radio interview, Jackson added that he was also present in the

presidential motorcade ? seven cars behind the lead vehicle - the day

Kennedy was shot, hearing three distinct shots coming from the

direction of the book depository.

"I looked up after the shots and saw a rifle being pulled in from the

window but I couldn't make out who it was," said Jackson . "I also

remember seeing two police officers run right into the book depository

and remember thinking who ever fired the shots never had a chance of

getting out of the building without being caught or killed."

Regarding the Oswald photo seen by tens of millions of people,

Andersen set the scene as it took place in 1963.

"In the basement of the Dallas Police Department on November 24,

1963 were two photographers. Jack Beers pointed a twin-lens reflex

camera while working for the Dallas Morning News and took a

photograph of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald

"One sixteenth of second after Jack Beer pressed the button on his

camera, Bob Jackson with a 35mm camera and working for the Dallas

Times Herald, pressed the button on his camera.

"Beers immediately returned to the darkroom and processed his

photograph that was instantly sent out on the wire services around the

world. Everyone who witnessed Beer's photograph for the next two

hours stated he would win the Pulitzer Prize.

"HoweverBut...Also...and Hold On!

"The City Desk of the Dallas Times Herald ordered Bob Jackson to

remain in the basement of the Dallas Police Department for over an

hour and half therefore his film was not processed until two hours after

Oswald had been shot.

"After Jackson's picture was printed in the darkroom, Felix McNight,

managing editor of the Times Herald shouted and stomped his feet as

he tried to describe the fantastic photograph to the photo editor of Life

Magazine but to no availthe magazine was under a tight publishing

deadline and the Life editors believed they had the best photo therefore

Beer's photo was published in the most popular American publication

in 1963.

"Bob Jackson's photo was published on the front page of the Times

Herald and in the Saturday Evening Post. Bob Jackson's photo won

the Pulitzer Prize and numerous other awards and his photograph is an

icon of American history. Jack Beer's photo became an almost

forgotten footnote in American History by 1/16 of a second."

spent 20 yrs with Detroit PD including two tours with Homicide and saw alot of people shot who did not show blood on their clothing. Once fought and handcuffed a guy who had been shot six times-he was taken into the precinct and collapsed on the floor-dead.

[Jack White]

Bernice is going to post an interesting NEW study here. Responses invited.

Thanks, Bernice!

Jack

[Robin Unger]

Oswald's arrival at Parkland.

I was able to "upload" this image to the forum only after deleting my previous attachments. ?

[Jack White]

Bernice...here is the thread in case you can't find it.

Jack

[Shanet Clark]

Jack Ruby --- conspirator or co-conspirator?

Murderer or patriot?

[Bernice Moore]

Jack...

B..

[Myra Bronstein]

Photographer Who Snapped

Infamous Oswald Photo

Said 'No Blood At Crime Scene'

By Greg Szymanski

Arctic Beacon.com

10-19-6

Bob Jackson, former photographer for the Dallas Tiimes Herald who

captured on film Ruby shooting Oswald, reveals for the first time on

American radio he didn't see a speck of blood on the body or at the

crime scene.

For those JFK assassination researchers and truth seekers, a startling

revelation was made on American radio Thursday, as Bob Jackson,

former Dallas Times Herald photographer, made public for the first

time that there was "not a speck of blood anywhere" on the body or at

the crime scene when Jack Ruby supposedly shot and killed Lee

Harvey Oswald.

Jackson was on assignment for the Dallas paper on the morning of

Nov. 24, 1963, when Oswald was being transferred from his holding

cell and snapped the picture "seen around the world," a Pulitzer Prize

winning photo of Oswald grimacing with Jack Ruby fully visible with

pistol in hand, shooting Oswald.

After 43 years, Jackson told listeners of Greg Szymanski's radio show,

The Investigative Journal, he witnessed no blood on Oswald after the

shooting, as well as "not a speck of blood" at the crime scene leading all

the way to when Oswald was put in the ambulance.

"I sure did think it was strange not to see any blood whatsoever," said

Jackson, whose award-winning photo was later published first on the

Times Herald front page and then in the Saturday Evening Post.

"I stayed on the scene well after Oswald was taken away in the

ambulance and I never did see any blood, not one drop."

Jackson's startling revelation adds fuel to the fire of researchers who

claimed Oswald was never shot by Ruby, but later killed by CIA

operatives in the ambulance after Oswald was sedated against his will.

Jackson's testimony, never before released in the American media,

backs up other researchers who claim Oswald and Ruby faked the

shooting as a part of an undercover operation designed to eventually

eliminate Oswald's knowledge of the real JKF assassination team as

well as his part played as the government's patsy.

"Oswald probably was told to fake the shooting and then was double

crossed by Cia operatives who killed him in the ambulance in order to

eliminate any loose ends in the Kennedy assassination," said one

researcher who claims Oswald was used as a patsy.

On the Investigative Journal, Jackson was joined by researcher Brian

David Andersen, a long time JFK truth advocate, who said Jackson's

testimony gives further credibility to the discrepancy to the type and

angle of the wound reported in Oswald's autopsy and the angle of the

gunshot would captured in Jackson's photo taken as Ruby supposedly

fired the pistol into Oswald's chest.

"The bullet should have went straight through Oswald if you look at

Bob's photo, but later the attending physician said the angle of the

bullet was at an upward angle" said Andersen after he questioned

Jackson on the radio show, indicating the possibility that Oswald was

actually shot after he was placed in the ambulance. "The absence of

blood also indicated this to be a real possibility."

Regarding the Kennedy autopsy, Andersen was also privy to inside

information, showing the final doctor's report used by the Warren

Commission was rigged.

"When growing up in Irving, Texas (suburb of Dallas) my neighbor

was Dr. Charles Baxter M.D., the Parkland Hospital coordinating

surgeon on John Kennedy," said Andersen. "On November 23 1974,

while I was photographing a hand surgery being conducted by the

doctor, Baxter explicated and thoroughly detailed all of the events that

occurred related to him regarding the treatment of Kennedy that was

purposely excluded from the Warren Commission Report. The truth

is so more outlandish than any kind of fiction."

In the radio interview, Jackson added that he was also present in the

presidential motorcade ? seven cars behind the lead vehicle - the day

Kennedy was shot, hearing three distinct shots coming from the

direction of the book depository.

"I looked up after the shots and saw a rifle being pulled in from the

window but I couldn't make out who it was," said Jackson . "I also

remember seeing two police officers run right into the book depository

and remember thinking who ever fired the shots never had a chance of

getting out of the building without being caught or killed."

Regarding the Oswald photo seen by tens of millions of people,

Andersen set the scene as it took place in 1963.

"In the basement of the Dallas Police Department on November 24,

1963 were two photographers. Jack Beers pointed a twin-lens reflex

camera while working for the Dallas Morning News and took a

photograph of Jack Ruby shooting Lee Harvey Oswald

"One sixteenth of second after Jack Beer pressed the button on his

camera, Bob Jackson with a 35mm camera and working for the Dallas

Times Herald, pressed the button on his camera.

"Beers immediately returned to the darkroom and processed his

photograph that was instantly sent out on the wire services around the

world. Everyone who witnessed Beer's photograph for the next two

hours stated he would win the Pulitzer Prize.

"HoweverBut...Also...and Hold On!

"The City Desk of the Dallas Times Herald ordered Bob Jackson to

remain in the basement of the Dallas Police Department for over an

hour and half therefore his film was not processed until two hours after

Oswald had been shot.

"After Jackson's picture was printed in the darkroom, Felix McNight,

managing editor of the Times Herald shouted and stomped his feet as

he tried to describe the fantastic photograph to the photo editor of Life

Magazine but to no availthe magazine was under a tight publishing

deadline and the Life editors believed they had the best photo therefore

Beer's photo was published in the most popular American publication

in 1963.

"Bob Jackson's photo was published on the front page of the Times

Herald and in the Saturday Evening Post. Bob Jackson's photo won

the Pulitzer Prize and numerous other awards and his photograph is an

icon of American history. Jack Beer's photo became an almost

forgotten footnote in American History by 1/16 of a second."

Well I suppose it could explain why Oswald asked for a change of clothes for the transfer and opted to wear a dark sweater.

It would make it less obvious that there was no blood.

And I've heard this story for a while and don't really know if I believe it.

Ultimately it doesn't change the big picture; Oswald was a patsy killed by the real perps.

(Assuming he was killed of course...)

[Bernice Moore]

Hi Jack:

This may help..though I did not have the time for any deep research, right now......re your study....

The man in the trenchcoat in the top photo...Beers....on the right, is Ike Pappas WNEW Radio..he was holding a mike out to LHO..at the shot, he immediately went down on one knee and and did his recording.....

The man seen below in your study of the Jackson..is I believe Bob Huffaker KRLD TV......he is seen as Pappas went down on one knee, Huffaker stepped forward.

#5 Appears it could be...Tom Pettit feeding NBC

From "President Kennedy Has Been Shot" .Bk 2003...

"When the News Went Live" Bk 2004..

Below the 2nd photo I found shows Pappas also with mike being held out.towards LHO.

B.....

Edited September 1, 2007 by Bernice Moore

[Tim Gratz]

Well guys the truth has finally come out!

I of course have access to CIA information and must finally set the record straight.

Of course Oswald was working for the CIA from the time he defected to Russia. We all know that.

But do you think the CIA would kill its own?

The body that was autopsied was not Oswald's but a CIA plant. And the proof that the exhumed body was that of Oswald was based of course on faked records.

The photo that Greg posted that shows Oswald in real pain was of course altered by the CIA just as it had altered the backyard photo and the Zapruder film.

Oswald was immediately entered in to the CIA's "Witness Protection Program" and has been living very comfortably on a tropical island in the South Pacific where the CIA provides for all his needs. Of course I cannot reveal where or his life will be in danger.

Oswald is working for the CIA writing the true story of his work for the CIA. I understand it is completed and is now being cleared by the CIA "censors". It will only be published posthumously, of course.

So you see the entire story will come out when both Oswald and Castro are deceased. But unlike Castro, Oswald is in excellent health, enjoying the South Pacific sunshine and still enjoys the guests sent him by the CIA (who of course have no idea who he is but the pay is outstanding).

[Tim Gratz]

Of course I do not want to refute my own theory, or for that matter continue another "silly" post (all based on "no blood, that a LE officer has demonstrated to us just a few posts ago cannot rule out a shooting) but:

If the Ruby shooting of LHO was just a fake, why would good old Jack be willing to keep his mouth shut as his heart and brain were burned out in the Texas electric chair?

Edited September 1, 2007 by Tim Gratz

[Ron Ecker]

Faking the shooting would certainly make sense in that there was no guarantee that Ruby could administer a fatal shot. Nothing outlandish about planning to kill Oswald in the ambulance. (The "treatment" of Diana in that Paris ambulance, moving about as slow as the limo on Elm, comes to mind, as well as the apparent shooting of Rabin after he was "safely" in his car.) But I agree with Peter that it depends on what we know about who was in the ambulance and about the wound angle.

[Myra Bronstein]

Faking the shooting would certainly make sense in that there was no guarantee that Ruby could administer a fatal shot. Nothing outlandish about planning to kill Oswald in the ambulance. (The "treatment" of Diana in that Paris ambulance, moving about as slow as the limo on Elm, comes to mind, as well as the apparent shooting of Rabin after he was "safely" in his car.) But I agree with Peter that it depends on what we know about who was in the ambulance and about the wound angle.

Definitely Ron; the Diana murder instantly comes to mind when considering the possibility of this scenario in Oswald's murder.

Hey, when something works they stick with it.

[Charles Drago]

Some time ago I shared my experience of Beverly Oliver's (hereinafter B.O.) claim that Ruby had contacted her, through an intermediary, from his oversees sanctuary.

B.O. let this cat out of the bag at the JFK Lancer conference at which Judge Tunheim was a featured speaker. Her method of doing so is most interesting.

She initially told a very small group of attendees the following:

In the recent past she received what purported to be a message from the alive-and-well Ruby. In it he acknowledged that she likely would dismiss his overture as some sort of provocation. So he challenged her to come up with a dozen or so questions that only B.O. and Ruby could answer: real personal sorts of things.

B.O. complied, and reported that Ruby correctly answered all but one question. And even the wrong answer, she claimed, could be understood in terms of simple semantic differences (what she called a "runway," he called a "ramp," or vice-versa).

Well, you know what they say about secrets. Within hours of B.O.'s original spinning of the yarn, the entire conference was abuzz with news that Ruby lives! B.O. was claiming to be angry and scared, but somehow managed to keep herself squarely in the spotlight -- almost as if the leak was exactly what she had planned for.

Perhaps Jack White and/or Larry Hancock know more about this little drama.

Charles

[Ron Ecker]

How about this: they fake shooting Harvey in the basement, and it's Lee who turns up at the hospital. No, wait, it was Harvey's body they exhumed. No, wait . . . Where's John Armstrong when you need him?