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So your goal then is not to solve the JFK assassination, learn the truth and bring some sembalance of justice to the case,

The goal is to learn the truth and spread it. Bringing some justice (how much by the way?) is a naive fiction.

but to promote the stories of three self ackowledged rogues.

Call it whatever you like, I promote the truth.

You left Judyth V. Baker off the list, is her story no longer worth promoting?

Do you expect me to mention her in every post?

Wim

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I am kind fishing here. A post that I made will kind of explain......

Regarding this thread. I am surprised at How little attention Wynne Johnsons video gets on this forum. I am just trying to figure out why that is, as much as I would like to hear what all of you think?

Southland Center Dallas, September, 1963

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak6hWJLOljo

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Vicki is the name, or pseudonym of Wynn Johnson's girlfriend with whom he went to the Southland Center. They were both 15 years old. It was Vicki's mother who warned her and Wynne to never mention the encounter.

Vicki has thus far chosen to remain anonymous and will not confirm the story.

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On 12/6/2007 at 10:48 AM, Jack White said:

Bill...I may be wrong but I feel there is some confusion here that

needs to be researched.

I think there is some confusion between the

SOUTHLAND LIFE CENTER

and the

SOUTHLAND HOTEL

The Southland Life Insurance Center consisted of two large modern

buildings...the Insurance company, 42 stories tall...and the SHERATON

HOTEL DALLAS, 38 stories tall.

If I recall correctly, it was the lobby of the Southland Life building

where Phillips and Oswald met.

The Southland Life building had a penthouse restaurant called La Tunisia,

and Mary Ferrell many times told of having lunch there at the time of

the assassination.

George and Barbara Bush were registered at the Sheraton Hotel on

the day of the assassination.

On the other hand, as I recall (source Mary Ferrell), THE SOUTHLAND

HOTEL was a small cheap hotel (I think on Harwood) near the Dallas

city hall, and was the long-time residence of Homicide Chief Will Fritz,

as it was across the street from his job at the city jail. This is likely

the place that had the all-night coffee shop that Ruby visited. Being

across from the jail, it likely was a copshop hangout.

These memories are very old...but I suggest you check them out,

since I think you got them mixed up.

Jack

I am seeing that the Southland cafe has been addressed. I'm not sure it has been resolved, but I do see that the question has been raised. 

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Wow! Great thread. Enlightening to me as to what you folks are really doing here. It's an attempt at a serious and legitimate (or as close as possible) investigation.

 

So far as I can tell, the Commerce St. location for the Southland cafe, came from Mary Ferrel. And, in this thread anyway, it has not been followed-up.

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It's not a video. And Veciana has made it perfectly clear, publicly, that Bishop was Phillips, and that he saw Phillips and Oswald together. I think the author should just publish his experience the normal way.

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Given that Maurice Bishop was indeed David Atlee Philips -- what does this PROVE?

Certainly it doesn't prove just anything anybody wants it to prove -- but that is a tacit subtext here.

Looking at it objectively, in the context of the times, we observe that Antonio Veciana, head of Alpha 66, dedicated to assassinating Fidel Castro, was working closely with David Atlee Phillips, CIA agent, also dedicated to assassinating Fidel Castro.

It was in this context that Antonio Veciana saw David Atlee Phillips with Lee Harvey Oswald -- precisely in a context dedicated to assassinating Fidel Castro.

This actually positions Lee Harvey Oswald with the Radical Right wing in politics.  This harmonizes with Oswald's activity with Guy Banister at 544 Camp Street.   Guy Banister was not a CIA agent, but he was a Radical Right politician.  Banister was also working with David Ferrie -- a mercenary, not a CIA agent.  Also there was Fred Crisman, Jack S. Martin and Tommy Beckham -- all three mercenaries and not CIA agents. 

Also at 544 Camp Street there were Carlos Bringuier and Ed Butler.  Ed Butler was educated; a propaganda expert, who would help Lee Harvey Oswald  create a FAKE identification as an FPCC officer, by using newspaper, radio and television.  Oswald would take this fake resumé with him to Mexico City.

In his 1988 manuscript, THE AMLASH LEGACY, David Atlee Phillips would say that he supervised the FAKE identification of Oswald to infiltrate the Communists, and even guided Oswald through Mexico City in late September 1963 -- all in the context of the assassination of Fidel Castro.

So -- there it is.  Maurice Bishop was indeed David Atlee Phillips.  Also, Antonio Veciana did indeed see Phillips with Lee Harvey Oswald.   All true.

Yet -- to link this with the JFK assassination requires a leap of fantasy.   There is no logical link.  Veciana was trying to kill Fidel Castro.  David Atlee Phillips was trying to kill Fidel Castro.  Lee Harvey Oswald was one more Fake Red Asset that Phillips hoped to use in that project.  That was why Oswald tried so hard to get into Cuba. 

The people who framed Oswald in the JFK assassination weren't involved with Alpha 66.  Instead, they were obsessed only with Dallas.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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Paul T. - it positions Oswald as a CIA asset, someone who was actively working with CIA, not with the radical right. Of course, I don't see the huge divide between CIA and radical right that you do. 

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14 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Paul T. - it positions Oswald as a CIA asset, someone who was actively working with CIA, not with the radical right. Of course, I don't see the huge divide between CIA and radical right that you do. 

Paul B.,

I've noticed that.  Your writings suggest some Marxist ideology, in which everybody who isn't Marxist is Right-wing and neo-Fascist.   There's no nuance there.

There are really more colors in politics than Marxist and Rightwing.   Such color-blindness makes it difficult to analyze US History, which is so colorful.  Such color-blindness makes it impossible to analyze the JFK assassination -- which requires political and historical subtlety.

Sincerely,
--Paul Trejo

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Nuance ? How dare you? Marxist? What a limited, lines in the sand black and white world you live in. Nuance is something you have no clue about. To you left means Marxist. Wow. Grow up.

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Paul Brancato wrote:

Nuance ? How dare you? Marxist? What a limited, lines in the sand black and white world you live in. Nuance is something you have no clue about. To you left means Marxist. Wow. Grow up.

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I was wondering how that might shake-out. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of the American left hasn't a clue about Marxism. Who reads Marx? Who gathers with Marxist friends? I have a BA, circa 1993 from a NYS University Center, and I had to scratch and dig a bit just to come away with anything other than a nightly news understanding of Marxism, or Communism for that matter. Two years later came Windows 95 and Political Correctness and and very different world, In the streets and in schools. Free-porn and cyber-sex were the wave of the future. Karl Marx was, with Julius Ceasar, Machiavelli and Louis the XIV, stuff found In those things called books.

For all his knowledge (and he deserves much respect) Paul does, at times, seem to paint a vase with a mop.

That said, I'll return to the subject and the reason that I bumped this post.

Wynne Johnsons story, and part 1 in the video series is perhaps a better place to start, is an extrodinarily charming story about 2 kids. The contrast with the historical crossroads that is the subject of the story is a phenomenal background to an interested party.

The sharpest point of the story, and a point that Antonio Veciana does not state and cannot recall, it seems, is that the encounter took place in a specific place, The Southland Center. That is the historical nugget that is added to the LHO-DAP-AV story.

 

Cheers, Mike

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On ‎1‎/‎18‎/‎2017 at 8:29 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Nuance? How dare you? Marxist? What a limited, lines in the sand black and white world you live in. Nuance is something you have no clue about. To you left means Marxist. Wow. Grow up.

So, you deny a Marxist orientation?   Hmm.   Yet you see no difference between the CIA and the Radical Right?   Something doesn't add up. 

I just got finished saying that there are far more nuances to American politics than Left and Right.  There are countless colors.  You were the one who said you saw no difference between the CIA and the Radical Right.  For many of us, the CIA consists of great and courageous Americans, like Allen Dulles, who dedicate their lives to Freedom, Justice and the American Way.

Sure, mistakes have been made.  But the Radical Right is a racist, sexist, classist throwback to the 1800's, and are every bit the scourge that Marxism was, on the opposite end of the extremist spectrum.

The CIA, then as now, consists of moderate Americans who see beyond race, gender and class, to uphold American Freedoms all over the world.  I maintain that Allen Dulles was a great hero -- and I will still vouch for J. Edgar Hoover until and unless somebody presents me with solid proof for his involvement in the JFK assassination. 

Today, I see no solid evidence for Hoover's involvement.  On the contrary, Hoover testified that Lee Oswald was not a Communist, and was not an officer of the FPCC.  He knew this based on FBI files on Oswald.  Hoover knew Oswald was involved in the FPCC in New Orleans, but he also knew that the New Orleans FPCC was a Fake -- run out of 544 Camp Street.  Hoover knew the score.  Hoover knew that Guy Banister was running Oswald.

J. Edgar Hoover wasn't on the Radical Right.  Here is one of his statements from his WC testimony:

----------- BEGIN EXTRACT FROM WC TESTIMONY OF J. EDGAR HOOVER ----------

Rep. BOGGS. ...Some professor out at the University of Illinois wrote a piece in which he alleged that President Kennedy was a Communist agent, and Buchanan's allegations are that the extreme right assassinated the President and this fellow's allegations are that the Communists assassinated the President. Would you care to comment? Have you read that piece?

Mr. HOOVER. I have read that piece. My comment on it is this in general: I think the extreme right is just as much a danger to the freedom of this country as the extreme left. There are groups, organizations, and individuals on the extreme right who make these very violent statements, allegations that General Eisenhower was a Communist, disparaging references to the Chief Justice and at the other end of the spectrum you have these leftists who make wild statements charging almost anybody with being a Fascist or belonging to some of these so-called extreme right societies. Now, I have felt, and I have said publicly in speeches, that they are just as much a danger, at either end of the spectrum. They don't deal with facts. Anybody who will allege that General Eisenhower was a Communist agent, has something wrong with him.

----------- END EXTRACT FROM WC TESTIMONY OF J. EDGAR HOOVER ----------

That final dig, that 'anybody who says Eisenhower was a Communist has something wrong with him,' was aimed at General Walker and the John Birch Society, as anybody who knows the nuances of US History in 1963 will be aware.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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