Maurice Bishop = David Atlee Phillips

[Michael Clark]

On January 25, 2017 at 7:30 AM, Paul Trejo said:

Michael,

Harry Dean told me a lot about his personal experiences as a member of Fidel Castro's 26th of July Movement when he was in Chicago, Illinois in 1959-1960.   

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In conclusion -- there was a time -- perhaps short-lived -- when FPCC officers were welcomed into Havana Cuba with open arms.  It didn't last, and perhaps Harry Dean was among the last of that old guard.   That's how I interpret the events.  The Lopez Report correctly expresses the mood of the Mexico City Consulates and Embassy's about LHO -- LHO was a joke.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Thanks for the reply Paul.

I guess I have some beliefs that I carry, or at least have not eliminated yet, which don't allow me to see all of that as possible or likely. In regard to this particular issue, I still have not ruled out a second Oswald, or at least an impersonator that really does not look like Lee, such as the blonde guy in pictures in MC, being the Oswald that raised a stink at the consulate. It becomes a question of intelligence. Like his ability to shoot a gun, LHO's intelligence is portrayed on one end of the spectrum and then the next.

I guess that being in the company of guys like DAP and AV, he might have been suficiently impressed to believe that he was truly making his way up the chain with spooks. Even if he did not know exactly who they were, these guys would have had a presence that could have impressed him enough to try to get into Cuba. But I still question whether he believed that would be possible. It seems just as, if not more likely that, if they knew he would fail, then it would have been simple enough to tell him that, and instruct him to, make a visible display of disappointment, as did actually happen.

As usual, I ask a question, I get answers from knowledgeable folks like you, and it just gets more complicated.

ill just keep searching.

Thanks again, 

Mike

Edited January 27, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎1‎/‎25‎/‎2017 at 7:54 AM, Michael Clark said:

Thanks for the reply Paul.

I guess I have some beliefs that I carry, or at least have not eliminated yet, which don't allow me to see all of that as possible or likely. In regard to this particular issue, I still have not ruled out a second Oswald, or at least an impersonator that really does not look like Lee, such as the blonde guy in pictures in MC, being the Oswald that raised a stink at the consulate. It becomes to be a question of intelligence. Like his ability to shoot a gun, LHO's intelligence is portrayed on one end of the spectrum and then the next.

I guess that being in the company of guys like DAP and AV, he might have been suficiently impressed to believe that he was truly making his way up the chain with spooks. Even if he did not know exactly who they were, these guys would have had a presence that could have impressed him enough to try to get into Cuba. But I still question whether he believed that would be possible. It seems just as, if not more likely that, if they knew he would fail, then it would have been simple enough to tell him that, and instruct him to make a visible display of disappointment, as did actually happen.

As usual, I ask a question, I get answers from knowledgeable folks like you, and it just gets more complicated.

ill just keep searching.

Thanks again, 

Mike

Mike,

All good questions.   Please allow me to present my interpretation of Bill Simpich's landmark eBook (free at the Mary Ferrell web site) which has revealed recent FOIA documents from the CIA that fully explain the Impersonation of LHO in Mexico City.

Bill Simpich tracked years of CIA documents to show that a Mole Hunt was started by the CIA within one hour of the Impersonation, because the CIA knew good and well that there was an Impersonation, and they had no idea who the Impersonator was -- only that he had to be an Insider -- somebody who knew that the telephone connecting Mexico City's Cuban Consulate with Mexico City's USSR Embassy was the single most wire-tapped phone on the planet.

So, they started a Mole Hunt which included the following steps: (1) they changed the photograph of LHO with a random photograph of somebody else at the USSR Embassy; (2) they changed the middle name of LHO to "Henry"; (3) they changed some details of LHO's birth; (4) they changed some details of LHO's parents.

Only the CIA High Command knew that these changes were made.  According to their plan, the Mole would seek to get his hands on LHO's file, and when they did, they would get this bogus data, and they would send it out.  When the bogus data was discovered in the field, they would track its source -- and there would be the Mole.

Unfortunately, before they captured the Mole, JFK was assassinated, and the FBI demanded the CIA file on LHO.  And an unwitting clerk handed the FBI what the CIA had -- this photo of this big Russian dude, and the name of "Lee Henry Oswald."

So, Bill Simpich has completely explained these mysteries that have plagued CTers for a half-century.  There is not enough praise that I can speak for Bill Simpich.  Sadly, after I raised my interpretation of his work on this FORUM in 2014, Bill Simpich did not comment any more on his great work.   IMHO, his work exonerates the CIA of the conspiracy to Impersonate LHO in Mexico City. 

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

Edited January 27, 2017 by Paul Trejo
typos

[Michael Clark]

Thanks Paul. I've been re-reading Newman's presentation(s) today and find it difficult to feel like I get it. It's more the format than anything. I can see that what he is saying and what you are saying do not jibe with each other, but are using much of the same info. If you would be so kind as to link Simpich's work and any larger explanation of your work, it would be interesting to read them concurrently. I find that there is no better way to get an understanding of what something IS, than to get an understanding of what something IS NOT. A triangulation of related if if divergent theories will definitely fill them all out better than reading just one, or reading them in series, hoping I get to them all.

Thanks again, and I hope you don't mind my tasking you with the link requests. I can and will search for them but I can't be sure to find exactly what you are referring to, or with regard to your own work, the most relevant or complete work as it relates to this discussion.

Cheers, 

Mike

[Jeffrey Reilley]

12 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

Thanks Paul. I've been re-reading Newman's presentation(s) today and find it difficult to feel like I get it. It's more the format than anything. I can see that what he is saying and what you are saying do not jibe with each other, but are using much of the same info. If you would be so kind as to link Simpich's work and any larger explanation of your work, it would be interesting to read them concurrently. I find that there is no better way to get an understanding of what something IS, than to get an understanding of what something IS NOT. A triangulation of related if if divergent theories will definitely fill them all out better than reading just one, or reading them in series, hoping I get to them all.

Thanks again, and I hope you don't mind my tasking you with the link requests. I can and will search for them but I can't be sure to find exactly what you are referring to, or with regard to your own work, the most relevant or complete work as it relates to this discussion.

Cheers, 

Mike

Mike,

    Simpich's book is on Mary Ferrell's website. I read it in one, albeit very long, sitting. Mind will be blown. Explains everything and makes me think David Morales, Bill Harvey, John Rosselli, and their little clan of merry assassins were also quite clever.

[Jeffrey Reilley]

It also gives people...i.e. Phillips, Angleton, Hoover, the people that seemed to act illogically or guilty following the assassination, it gives them a reason for acting so: Cover their 6.

[Michael Clark]

On December 5, 2007 at 3:16 PM, Jack White said:

 

Bill, as I recall the all night coffee shop visited by Ruby was

the Lucas B&B Cafe on Oak Lawn.

Jack

 

And here, Jack White is saying the cafe, assuming it was the pre-dawn visit by Jack Ruby, accompanied-by George Senator, on 11-23--63, is a different cafe than his identification of the cafe as the "Southland Hotel Cafe" (distinct from the Southland Center) that he (Jack White) says was a hotel behind the DPD station. Jack says that Captain Fritz lived there and that the cafe was a "copshop".

***Here, I will edit-in that (Jack's) quote.***

Edited January 27, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Michael Clark]

On 12/5/2007 at 0:14 PM, William Kelly said:

 

Posted December 5, 2007 (edited) · Report post

 

I think everyone has pretty much agreed that David Atlee Phillips was the "Maurice Bishop" that Veciana knew, for a variety of reasons. 

There is the probability that other intelligence officers of a similar rank also used the alias. 

His identification of Oswald as being in Dallas in August of 1963 when Oswald was suppose to be in New Orleans, leads one to believe that Oswald did indeed "go underground," and moved about without creating records and probably on assignment from yet to be identified domestic intelligence network. If you accept this meeting as true then this network was most definately associated with Phillips' operations, something to do with the Mexico City stuff. 

If you accept the fact that DAP met with LHO and AV in Dallas at that time, then their meeting place - a large office building/hotel down Deep Elm, on the other side of Dallas from Dealey Plaza, would lead one to identify the tennants of that office building. 

It would also be interesting if the hotel coffee shop of this building is the same coffee shop visited by Jack Ruby and Larry Crafard after midnight on the evening of the assassination, having just taken photos of the "Imeach Earl Warren" billboard, which Ruby somehow thought related to the assassination. Ruby knew the night manager of the coffee shop and often went there. 

For someone who believes that Veciana met with Maurice Bishop and Lee Harvey Oswald, placing them all together at one place at one time, it would be interesting to find out more about the Pan Am Bank of Miami, where Veciana said he swore allegiance to USA and was given trainining in psychological warfare techniques, codes, ciphers and tradecraft. This is the same bank Robert McKowen said was on the wrappers of the cash he received for arms he sold to Castro, and where Jack Ruby delivered cash at the behest of the Fox Brothers Havana casino owners. 

Is there anything about the place Vechiana met MB and LHO, as I suspect? 

Is there anything to the Pan Am Bank of Miami that means anything and leads anywhere? 

And then of course, we follow DAP back to JMWAVE and Mexico City, and follow the paperwork he's left behind for us to read, however belatedly. 

Now there's some back alleys worth visiting. 

Bill Kelly

 

 

 

 

And here, BK does not Identify the cafe in which  Ruby, Senator and Crafard met, in the pre dawn hours of 11-23-63, as the Southland Center Cafe, or any other cafe. He say it is in Deep Ellum. According to my maps, the Southland Center is not in Deep Ellum.

Edited January 26, 2017 by Michael Clark

[Michael Clark]

On 12/6/2007 at 10:48 AM, Jack White said:

Bill...I may be wrong but I feel there is some confusion here that

needs to be researched.

I think there is some confusion between the

SOUTHLAND LIFE CENTER

and the

SOUTHLAND HOTEL

The Southland Life Insurance Center consisted of two large modern

buildings...the Insurance company, 42 stories tall...and the SHERATON

HOTEL DALLAS, 38 stories tall.

If I recall correctly, it was the lobby of the Southland Life building

where Phillips and Oswald met.

The Southland Life building had a penthouse restaurant called La Tunisia,

and Mary Ferrell many times told of having lunch there at the time of

the assassination.

George and Barbara Bush were registered at the Sheraton Hotel on

the day of the assassination.

On the other hand, as I recall (source Mary Ferrell), THE SOUTHLAND

HOTEL was a small cheap hotel (I think on Harwood) near the Dallas

city hall, and was the long-time residence of Homicide Chief Will Fritz,

as it was across the street from his job at the city jail. This is likely

the place that had the all-night coffee shop that Ruby visited. Being

across from the jail, it likely was a copshop hangout.

These memories are very old...but I suggest you check them out,

since I think you got them mixed up.

Jack

Posting this to get another of Jack White's Southland Hotel Cafe's identifications up front.

[Paul Trejo]

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 11:01 AM, Jeffrey Reilley said:

Simpich's book is on Mary Ferrell's website. I read it in one, albeit very long, sitting. Mind will be blown. Explains everything and makes me think David Morales, Bill Harvey, John Rosselli, and their little clan of merry assassins were also quite clever...

It also gives people...i.e. Phillips, Angleton, Hoover, the people that seemed to act illogically or guilty following the assassination, it gives them a reason for acting so: Cover their 6.

Jeffrey,

I agree with you fully that Bill Simpich's book is mind-blowing.   I agree with his premise that David Morales and Bill Harvey were involved, and that Johnny Rosselli was at least aware of the JFK plot.   We have David Morales confessing (like Howard Hunt) but we don't have Bill Harvey confessing.   We have Johnny Rosselli getting murdered brutally -- but more is needed.

I don't see Phillips, Angleton or Hoover involved -- although Hoover does act instantly with a full exoneration of everybody except Lee Harvey Oswald within hours of the JFK assassination. I have always said that I am ambiguous about Hoover, but I have leaned on the side of his innocence.  Here's why:

1.  The JFK assassination and the JFK cover-up are two different plots by two different Teams.

2.  The JFK Kill Team and the JFK Coverup Team were opposed to each other.

3.  The JFK Kill Team wanted to blame Fidel Castro and the Communists for the JFK assassination. They framed LHO for months to look like an FPCC-loving KGB agent.  The final step was the Mexico City trip and David Morales' Impersonation of LHO in Mexico City.

4.  The JFK Cover-up Team wanted to blame only Lee Harvey Oswald for the JFK assassination.  This was to rob the JFK Killers of their main prize, and also to avoid an international scandal which the USSR would exploit during the Cold War.

Therefore, because J. Edgar Hoover pushed a "Lone Nut" theory of the JFK assassination without ever budging an inch from 11/22/1963 forward -- I cannot link him with David Morales and the Kill Team in Dallas -- who repeatedly said that the Communists killed JFK.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo