Barack Obama or John McCain

[J. Raymond Carroll]

HAS SHE FINALLY GONE STARK RAVING MAD?

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/...y_wa_112232.htm

[Christopher Hall]

HAS SHE FINALLY GONE STARK RAVING MAD?

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/...y_wa_112232.htm

This is amazing, to say the least.

So she is still in it because Obama may be assassinated.

You really can't make this stuff up.

This may trigger her getting the visit from party elders (similar to the visit that Nixon received immediately prior to being forced to resign).

I think we will see a mass exodus of her pledged delegates bolt to Obama before she damages the party further.

[Evan Burton]

I originally thought that a Obama / Clinton ticket was the way to go... but I'm beginning to wonder if she would be a liability.

[Michael Hogan]

McCain -- Out of touch with Cuban Americans?

by Tom Brown

MIAMI (Reuters) - When Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama told a Miami gathering

he would lift restrictions on travel to communist Cuba by Cuban Americans, he was met with cheers.

Just a few years ago, his comments to the Cuban American National Foundation on Friday might have triggered a riot.

But Miami's Little Havana, heartland of exile opposition to former Cuban President Fidel Castro since

his revolution nearly 50 years ago, has undergone sweeping changes..

...

Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/internalReu...ndChannel=10112

[Michael Hogan]

I'm interested to see how McCain gets the current filth Haggi just had uncovered about him off of him. Haggi said that God had directed Hitler to remove the Jews from Europe - or some such sick insanity. It couldn't happen to a nicer guy [McCain].

Hagee also called the Catholic Church "the great whore", although he now repudiates that position.

Hagee ran around on his first wife, he pays himself over $1,000,000 per year and he spews hatred and venom from the pulpit.

The fact that McCain saw fit to associate himself with someone like this speaks volumes as to his judgment.

Nathaniel Heidenheimer brought up Hagee's questionable background in this thread six weeks ago: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=12430

[J. Raymond Carroll]

There are taboos in presidential politics, and this is one of the biggest. To raise the specter of a rival's assassination, even unintentionally, is to make a truly terrible thing real. It sounds like one might be waiting for a terrible thing to happen, even if one isn't. It sounds almost like wishful thinking.

If there were any doubt about the taboo nature of discussing such a thing, witness the reaction Barack Obama's campaign put out, which carefully avoided any repetition of what Clinton had actually said. To repeat it would be to repeat the possibility of the terrible thing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...ml?nav=hcmodule

The good news: She has surely eliminated herself from consideration as a possible Vice-President.

Some commentators have noted that her non-apology was aimed only at the Kennedy family. She did not apologize to Obama. She is worried that Ted Kennedy will condemn her from his deathbed.

Edited May 24, 2008 by J. Raymond Carroll

[Maggie Hansen]

McCain -- Out of touch with Cuban Americans?

by Tom Brown

MIAMI (Reuters) - When Democratic presidential front-runner Barack Obama told a Miami gathering

he would lift restrictions on travel to communist Cuba by Cuban Americans, he was met with cheers.

Just a few years ago, his comments to the Cuban American National Foundation on Friday might have triggered a riot.

But Miami's Little Havana, heartland of exile opposition to former Cuban President Fidel Castro since

his revolution nearly 50 years ago, has undergone sweeping changes..

...

Full article: http://www.reuters.com/article/internalReu...ndChannel=10112

The McCain Doctrine

http://www.narconews.com/Issue53/article3104.html

[Len Colby]

HAS SHE FINALLY GONE STARK RAVING MAD?

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/...y_wa_112232.htm

This is amazing, to say the least.

So she is still in it because Obama may be assassinated.

Dumb as her remark was, I don't think that's what she meant she did mention the 1992 election as well. The 1968 analogy doesn't hold back then primary season began in mid-March, this year it started in early January.

[J. Raymond Carroll]

HILLARY"S HOMETOWN NEWSPAPER ASKS: WHY IS MURDER ON HER MIND?

We have seen an X-ray of a very dark soul. One consumed by raw ambition to where the possible assassination of an opponent is something to ponder in a strategic way. Otherwise, why is murder on her mind?

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2008/0...r_simply-2.html

[J. Raymond Carroll]

THE REAL SUPER TUESDAY

Mr. Obama’s associates calculate he will need the votes of probably just 30 more superdelegates — elected Democrats and party leaders — to claim a majority of delegates after the last primary vote is counted, assuming expected outcomes in Puerto Rico, South Dakota and Montana and taking into account the disputed delegations of Florida and Michigan.

Mr. Obama’s aides said he had, as of Friday, 1,985 delegates;

86 delegates are going to be allocated in Puerto Rico, Montana and South Dakota, and Mr. Obama is likely to get at least half of them.

As of Friday, about 150 superdelegates were not officially listed as being committed, including 17 senators and at least 47 House members. Mr. Obama’s supporters have been hammering away at them, urging them to move quickly to his camp.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/us/polit...amp;oref=slogin

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid have both stated that enough superdelegates will announce their votes when next TUesdays Primary votes are tallied that the race for the nomination will be over. Obama needs only 30 Supers and Nancy has 47 under her always-benevolent control.

A

s the 40th anniversary next week of Robert F. Kennedy's assassinationapproaches, comparisons between the patron saint of America's left and the man who appears destined to become the next Democratic nominee are impossible to ignore.

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=553202

[John Simkin]

Report just published on the BBC news website:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7428909.stm

Hillary Clinton's efforts to secure the Democratic party nomination for president have suffered a setback.

The party took a compromise decision to allow delegates from Florida and Michigan, two states previously debarred, to attend its convention.

However, although this increases Mrs Clinton's support, the delegates will only have half a vote each.

She is still badly trailing Barack Obama, who remains the clear leader in the race for the nomination.

Clinton adviser Harold Ickes, a member of the committee which took the votes on Florida and Michigan, said she reserved the right to appeal against the decisions.

But, barring appeals, Mr Obama's victory looks more certain than ever, says the BBC's Jamie Coomarasamy in Washington.

The votes by the party's rules and bylaws committee took place amid heated exchanges between Clinton and Obama supporters.

Mrs Clinton wanted the committee, meeting in the ballroom of a Washington hotel, to overturn a previous decision and allow delegates from Florida and Michigan to vote at the Democratic National Convention in August.

Delegates to that convention, chosen in votes in each state, will decide which politician becomes the Democratic Party candidate in November's presidential election.

Officially, Mrs Clinton won both states, but both were initially discounted because they held their primaries in January, in contravention of party rules.

Neither candidate campaigned in the contests, and in Michigan, Mr Obama's name was not even on the ballot.

The compromise gives Mrs Clinton 69 delegates in Michigan, compared to Mr Obama's 59. And in Florida, she gains 105 delegates to Mr Obama's 67.

This reduces Mr Obama's lead - previously 202 - by 48, but the delegates from Michigan and Florida will only have half a vote each, so her gains are reduced.

The 27-member committee unanimously accepted the compromise decision for Florida, after earlier rejecting by 15-12 a plan which would give all delegates full voting rights at the convention.

In the case of Michigan, the committee approved the compromise by 19-8.

Overall, Mrs Clinton gains only 24 delegate votes, far short of the total she needs to catch Mr Obama.

Mrs Clinton is still hoping to persuade undecided "super-delegates" that she should be the party's nominee.

Her adviser Mr Ickes accused the committee of "hijacking" votes for Mrs Clinton.

"Mrs Clinton has instructed me to reserve her rights to take this to the credentials committee," he added.

The Obama campaign greeted Saturday's votes as a "fair solution that will allow Michigan and Florida to participate" in the party convention in Denver in August.

During the day's voting, Clinton supporters chanted "Denver, Denver" - implying the Clinton-Obama contest will drag on until the convention - and "Madame President, Madame President".

Two women could be heard shouting at each other to "shut up".

An appeal for party unity was jeered by one heckler with the words "Lipstick on a pig!"

Puerto Rico votes on Sunday, followed by Montana and South Dakota on Tuesday - the last three Democrat primaries of the season.

[Evan Burton]

Gentlemen - can we drop this, and return to the thread topic? Please?

Thank you.

[Michael Hogan]

Gentlemen - can we drop this, and return to the thread topic? Please?

Thank you.

Why don't you just delete their posts with no notification and no warning? That'll show 'em.

[Evan Burton]

Gentlemen - can we drop this, and return to the thread topic? Please?

Thank you.

Why don't you just delete their posts with no notification and no warning? That'll show 'em.

Good idea - except it is just making them invisible, so that if it is decided that the action was inappropriate, then it can be reversed.

Thanks Michael!

[Antti Hynonen]

At the very least, the currently invisible posts by Mr. Colby and Mr. Guyatt, are off-topic. I don't see why such tit for tat sillyness should be allowed.