Prediction of the Assassination of JFK and Dr. Stephen Ward

[Linda Minor]

Linda,

thanks for the reply. The information from the other forum is helpful.

My website is back up - didn't take as long as I thought it would.

Here is the article on the Oxnard call

Note: The part on Oswald needs updating.

Here is the story that appeared in WINNIPEG FREE PRESS, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1963:

LOS ANGELES (Special-TPNS) — The FBI refused Tuesday to confirm, or deny whether it is investigating a mysterious telephone call from nearby Oxnard, California, that predicted President Kennedy's assassination 15

minutes before he was shot. A.spokesman for the FBI here, asked specifically if an investigation is under way, answered "no comment."

An Oxnard telephone supervisor overheard a woman caller whisper to someone at 10:10 a.m. Friday that "the president going to be killed. Telephone officials said it was impossible to trace the call, but said that it originated in the Oxnard - Camarillo area. A mental hospital is located in the Camarillo area.

The call was reported to the FBI after the president had been shot.

(The Los Angeles Times)

This one appeared on page 3 of the Daily Review in Hayward, California on November 23:

OXNARD (AP)-A telephone company executive said Friday that 20 minutes before President Kennedy was assassinated a woman caller was overheard whispering: "The President is going to be killed."

Ray Sheehan

, manager of the Oxnard division of General Telephone Co., said the caller "stumbled into our operator's circuits," perhaps by misdialing. Sheehan said the woman "seemed to be a little bit disturbed."

Besides predicting the President's death, he said, she "mumbled several incoherent things."

Sheehan said the call was reported to the FBI in Los Angeles, but not until after the President had been shot. Until then he said, it appeared to have been just another crank call. Sheehan said there was no way to trace the call. All he could say was that it originated in the Oxnard-Camarillo area, 50 miles north of Los Angeles.

The FBI in Los Angeles would not comment.

Sheehan said one telephone supervisor called another onto her line after getting the call. He said both supervisors heard the woman say the President would be killed. Supervisors are running the switchboards because the company is being struck by the Communications Workers of America.

Sheehan said the call was received at 10:10 a.m., PST. The President was shot in Dallas shortly after 10:30 a.m., PST.

See also http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kupcinet.htm

which has some extremely interesting material about the call, allegedly made by Karyn Kupcinet, who was murdered in Hollywood a week after the assassination. Her father was a "columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and a major celebrity in the Windy City. Irv Kupcinet knew Jack Ruby when Ruby lived in Chicago in the 1940s."

McAdams quotes Penn Jones as follows:

As Penn Jones, Jr. tells it in Forgive My Grief II:

A few days before the assassination, Karyn Kupcinet, 23, was trying to place a long distance telephone call from the Los Angeles area. According to reports, the long distance operator heard Miss Kupcinet scream into the telephone that President Kennedy was going to be killed.

Two days after the assassination, Miss Kupcinet was found murdered in her apartment. The case has never been solved.

. . .There was an Associated Press dispatch printed in the Chicago Daily News of November 23, 1963, originating from Oxnard, California, which told approximately the same story as we have on Miss Kupcinet. The story read:

A telephone company executive said that 20 minutes before President Kennedy was assassinated a woman caller was overheard whispering:

"The President is going to be killed."

Ray Sheehan, manger of the Oxnard division of General Telephone Co., said the caller "stumbled into our operator's circuits," perhaps by misdialing.

Sheehan said the woman "seemed to be a little bit disturbed." Besides predicting the President's death, he said, she "mumbled several incoherent things."

. . .Sheehan said there was no way to trace the call. All he could say was that it originated in the Oxnard-Camarillo area, some 50 miles north of Los Angeles.

I see the Oxnard call has been explored previously:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...3&hl=oxnard

Edited December 31, 2008 by Linda Minor

[John Simkin]

For what it is worth, if anything, Michael Eddowes, when he spent some time in

my office in the 1980s, told me that he was formerly a member of British intelligence.

Jack

He was never officially a member of British intelligence although he probably was a MI5 informant. However, he gave the information he had on the Profumo case to Special Branch rather than MI5. However, it was Scotland Yard who insisted on prosecuting Stephen Ward. MI5 did what they could to cover-up the honeytrap operation that had been set-up by Ward.

Another informant was Henry Kerby, a right-wing Conservative MP. He gave the story to Andrew Roth, a left-wing journalist who had fled America because of McCarthyism. Roth published the story about Profumo in a mimeographed handout called "Westminster Confidential" that went out to only 200 subscribers.

Kerby worked for MI6 during the Second World War and still maintained his intelligence connections. It is dfficult to understand why Kerby wanted to damage his own government. Kerby also provided information to the Labour Party MP, George Wigg, that he used in House of Commons debates.

Nor is it clear why the intelligence services were trying to bring down the Conservative government. For example, it was later discovered that MI5 sent anonymous letters about Keeler to the wife of Profumo.

[Greg Parker]

Here is the story that appeared in WINNIPEG FREE PRESS, WEDNESDAY, NOVEMBER 27, 1963:

LOS ANGELES (Special-TPNS) — The FBI refused Tuesday to confirm, or deny whether it is investigating a mysterious telephone call from nearby Oxnard, California, that predicted President Kennedy's assassination 15

minutes before he was shot. A.spokesman for the FBI here, asked specifically if an investigation is under way, answered "no comment."

An Oxnard telephone supervisor overheard a woman caller whisper to someone at 10:10 a.m. Friday that "the president going to be killed. Telephone officials said it was impossible to trace the call, but said that it originated in the Oxnard - Camarillo area. A mental hospital is located in the Camarillo area.

The call was reported to the FBI after the president had been shot.

(The Los Angeles Times)

This one appeared on page 3 of the Daily Review in Hayward, California on November 23:

OXNARD (AP)-A telephone company executive said Friday that 20 minutes before President Kennedy was assassinated a woman caller was overheard whispering: "The President is going to be killed."

Ray Sheehan, manager of the Oxnard division of General Telephone Co., said the caller "stumbled into our operator's circuits," perhaps by misdialing. Sheehan said the woman "seemed to be a little bit disturbed."

Besides predicting the President's death, he said, she "mumbled several incoherent things."

Sheehan said the call was reported to the FBI in Los Angeles, but not until after the President had been shot. Until then he said, it appeared to have been just another crank call. Sheehan said there was no way to trace the call. All he could say was that it originated in the Oxnard-Camarillo area, 50 miles north of Los Angeles.

The FBI in Los Angeles would not comment.

Sheehan said one telephone supervisor called another onto her line after getting the call. He said both supervisors heard the woman say the President would be killed. Supervisors are running the switchboards because the company is being struck by the Communications Workers of America.

Sheehan said the call was received at 10:10 a.m., PST. The President was shot in Dallas shortly after 10:30 a.m., PST.

Linda,

these stories are only interesting because of the areas where misinformation occurs.

According to the FBI report:

the caller did not say, "the president is going to be killed." It's a made up quote. Among the things she said was that "the President is going to die at 10:10". (12:10 in Dallas). When that time expired, she changed her prediction to 10:30.

Though it's understandable that Sheehan would describe her as seeming to be a "little bit disturbed", a careful reading of the FBI report puts the sword to any claim she was mentally unbalanced.

She did not misdial. She dialled set combinations of numbers just prior to each - what I would describe as incantations.

She did not mumble, but spoke in a "definite, rhythmic fast tempo". Everything she said was heard clearly by at least one of the two operators listening in. They thought she was reciting something written or committed to memory.

See also http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/kupcinet.htm

which has some extremely interesting material about the call, allegedly made by Karyn Kupcinet, who was murdered in Hollywood a week after the assassination. Her father was a "columnist for the Chicago Sun-Times and a major celebrity in the Windy City. Irv Kupcinet knew Jack Ruby when Ruby lived in Chicago in the 1940s."

McAdams quotes Penn Jones as follows:

QUOTE

As Penn Jones, Jr. tells it in Forgive My Grief II:

A few days before the assassination, Karyn Kupcinet, 23, was trying to place a long distance telephone call from the Los Angeles area. According to reports, the long distance operator heard Miss Kupcinet scream into the telephone that President Kennedy was going to be killed.

Two days after the assassination, Miss Kupcinet was found murdered in her apartment. The case has never been solved.

. . .There was an Associated Press dispatch printed in the Chicago Daily News of November 23, 1963, originating from Oxnard, California, which told approximately the same story as we have on Miss Kupcinet. The story read:

A telephone company executive said that 20 minutes before President Kennedy was assassinated a woman caller was overheard whispering:

"The President is going to be killed."

Ray Sheehan, manger of the Oxnard division of General Telephone Co., said the caller "stumbled into our operator's circuits," perhaps by misdialing.

Sheehan said the woman "seemed to be a little bit disturbed." Besides predicting the President's death, he said, she "mumbled several incoherent things."

. . .Sheehan said there was no way to trace the call. All he could say was that it originated in the Oxnard-Camarillo area, some 50 miles north of Los Angeles.

The caller was not Karen Kupcinet. Whoever it was had an association with the occult.

[Linda Minor]

Greg Parker

Linda,

these stories are only interesting because of the areas where misinformation occurs.

According to the FBI report:

the caller did not say, "the president is going to be killed." It's a made up quote. Among the things she said was that "the President is going to die at 10:10". (12:10 in Dallas). When that time expired, she changed her prediction to 10:30.

Though it's understandable that Sheehan would describe her as seeming to be a "little bit disturbed", a careful reading of the FBI report puts the sword to any claim she was mentally unbalanced.

She did not misdial. She dialled set combinations of numbers just prior to each - what I would describe as incantations.

She did not mumble, but spoke in a "definite, rhythmic fast tempo". Everything she said was heard clearly by at least one of the two operators listening in. They thought she was reciting something written or committed to memory.

So, if someone in the Oxnard area knew JFK was going to be killed before it happened and similar calls were being made in Cambridge, England at the same time and had been made from Cambridge (warning about the Profumo scandals), John's question seems to be: "Was there a connection between the perpetrators of the Profumo honey-trap and the JFK assassination?"