Robert Howard Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 Robert Howard And the Warren Commission Documents, in this case are very pertinent Betty Cartwright Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 Edward Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 Mrs. Marion Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=18986 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=19006 As Rachel Maddow might say, the following items are from the fun facts to know and tell Department. The latter part is more for entertainment purposes, and it is anything but dull....... The Dallas Morning News of November 16, 1950 featured a blurb dateline ABILENE, Texas, which read as follows: Stephens Location Special To the News Hooker & De Mohrenschildt No. 1 Trammell is a new wildcat 900 from the south and 640 from the east lines of the SW/4 of 23-7-T&P, twelve miles south of Breckenridge, in Stephens County. Projected depth is 4,250 feet. 1977 CBS report on Oltmans & De Mohrenschildt Got Democracy? Additionally, when searching a subject like the DeMohrenschildt family, which covers a very broad time chronology, the mary ferrell archives contain a timeline, which, is indispensible in my opinion..... The Links are below. The mary ferrell chronologies begin in the year 1818 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1 and continue until August 31, 1966 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=485915 The Mexico City Chronologies begin on August 20, 1963 and continue until October 4, 1963 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=485916 Index page to Mary Ferrell Chronologies http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...o?docSetId=1111 There is a thread somewhere on the Forum under the title The Tolstoy Foundation, but I could not find it, I felt this thread was the next best place. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: TOLSTOY FOUNDATION, ASSOC, DONATIOR October 26, 1948 Margaret C. McQuilken of Salt Lake City, Utah, employed by the Treasury Dept., Salt Lake City made available literatire from The Tolstoy Foundation, 289 Fourth Avenue, National Headquarters at NewYork 10, New York Honorable Herbert Hoover, Honorary Chairman Alexandra Tolstoy, President Executive Officers Countess Sophia Panina Dr. Ethan T. Colton Mrs. Vadim S. Marakoff Mr. John C. Traphagen Treasurer Secretaries Mrs. Stella T. MacNaughten - Corporate Secretary Mrs. Tatiana A. Schaufuss - Executive Secretary Mr. Nicholas Cooke, Assistant Secretary Mr. Paul Anderson Mr. Alexander A. Paschkoff Mr. Constantin Pertzoff Mrs N. Shahovskoy Nabokoff Mr. Boris V. Sergievsky Mr. Crawford Wheeler Mr. Alexis R. Wiren Directors Mr. Boris A. Bakhmeteff Mr. Emile C. Bataille Mr. A. L. Bryant Mr. Robert J. Caldwell Mrs. Kendall Emerson Prof. Vladimir B. Ipatieff Miss Helen Iswolsky Prof. Michael M. Karpovich Mrs. Marguerite B. Langkjaer Mr. A. C. Litton Miss Irene N. Mishtowt Miss Anna V. S. Mitchell Dr. Dmitri S.Von Mohrenschildt Mrs Livingstone P. Moore Prof. Alexander I. Petrunkevich Prof. Michael I. Rostovzeff Mrs. Boris Sergievsky Mr. Igor I. Sikorsky Miss Gertrude Robinson Smith Mr. Ilia Tolstoy Mr. Peter Zouboff Mr. Federico I. Zvarico http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Howard Posted January 27, 2009 Share Posted January 27, 2009 (edited) Robert Howard And the Warren Commission Documents, in this case are very pertinent Betty Cartwright Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 Edward Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 Mrs. Marion Hooker WC Vol 9 178, 195-199 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=18986 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=19006 As Rachel Maddow might say, the following items are from the fun facts to know and tell Department. The latter part is more for entertainment purposes, and it is anything but dull....... The Dallas Morning News of November 16, 1950 featured a blurb dateline ABILENE, Texas, which read as follows: Stephens Location Special To the News Hooker & De Mohrenschildt No. 1 Trammell is a new wildcat 900 from the south and 640 from the east lines of the SW/4 of 23-7-T&P, twelve miles south of Breckenridge, in Stephens County. Projected depth is 4,250 feet. 1977 CBS report on Oltmans & De Mohrenschildt Got Democracy? Additionally, when searching a subject like the DeMohrenschildt family, which covers a very broad time chronology, the mary ferrell archives contain a timeline, which, is indispensible in my opinion..... The Links are below. The mary ferrell chronologies begin in the year 1818 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1 and continue until August 31, 1966 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=485915 The Mexico City Chronologies begin on August 20, 1963 and continue until October 4, 1963 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=485916 Index page to Mary Ferrell Chronologies http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...o?docSetId=1111 There is a thread somewhere on the Forum under the title The Tolstoy Foundation, but I could not find it, I felt this thread was the next best place. NO TITLE, SUBJECTS: TOLSTOY FOUNDATION, ASSOC, DONATIOR October 26, 1948 Margaret C. McQuilken of Salt Lake City, Utah, employed by the Treasury Dept., Salt Lake City made available literatire from The Tolstoy Foundation, 289 Fourth Avenue, National Headquarters at NewYork 10, New York Honorable Herbert Hoover, Honorary Chairman Alexandra Tolstoy, President Executive Officers Countess Sophia Panina Dr. Ethan T. Colton Mrs. Vadim S. Marakoff Mr. John C. Traphagen Treasurer Secretaries Mrs. Stella T. MacNaughten - Corporate Secretary Mrs. Tatiana A. Schaufuss - Executive Secretary Mr. Nicholas Cooke, Assistant Secretary Mr. Paul Anderson Mr. Alexander A. Paschkoff Mr. Constantin Pertzoff Mrs N. Shahovskoy Nabokoff Mr. Boris V. Sergievsky Mr. Crawford Wheeler Mr. Alexis R. Wiren Directors Mr. Boris A. Bakhmeteff Mr. Emile C. Bataille Mr. A. L. Bryant Mr. Robert J. Caldwell Mrs. Kendall Emerson Prof. Vladimir B. Ipatieff Miss Helen Iswolsky Prof. Michael M. Karpovich Mrs. Marguerite B. Langkjaer Mr. A. C. Litton Miss Irene N. Mishtowt Miss Anna V. S. Mitchell Dr. Dmitri S.Von Mohrenschildt Mrs Livingstone P. Moore Prof. Alexander I. Petrunkevich Prof. Michael I. Rostovzeff Mrs. Boris Sergievsky Mr. Igor I. Sikorsky Miss Gertrude Robinson Smith Mr. Ilia Tolstoy Mr. Peter Zouboff Mr. Federico I. Zvarico http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...mp;relPageId=10 Since I have been on the Forum, I have seen many threads come and go........If there was one person I would contend should not be forgotten in this analysis, it would be Mitchell Werbell, he was someone of the very same background as many of the Cold War era persons with a Russian background.....Ask Ron Ecker, who is no slouch when it comes to JFK Research....He is aces, in my book, BTW! he wrote Our Man In Powder Springs, and could definitely add some lively conversation to this thread..... Edited January 27, 2009 by Robert Howard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 I am not sure anyone has posted this information yet, so..... http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=S.+...=1&ie=UTF-8 CHARLES G. MEYER, CIVIC LEADER, DIES; President Since 1910 of Cord Meyer Realty Firm Served Charter Revision Group - New York Times - Apr 10, 1950 Besides his daughter he leaves sons, Charles G.; Jr., G. Howland--and S. Willets Meyer, and tree brothers, J: Edward, Robert B. and Cord Meyer MRS. CHARLES G. MEYER; Wife of Cord Meyer Firm Head Active in Queens... - New York Times - Apr 1, 1939 Also surviving are four children, Mrs. Margaret Ives, Charles G. Jr., G. Howland Meyer and S. Willets , all of New York. Related web pages MARION T. BUTLER BECOMES A BRIDE; She Is Wed to Edward Gordon Hooker,... - New York Times - May 24, 1946 S. . Willets Meyer of New York was best man. The ushers were George Herbert Walker Bush of Greenwich, Conn. and John Clark Burgard of Wash ington, ... Most likely, the "brother" in the 1950 article is Cord Meyer Sr. It is likely that Edward Hooker's "best man", was the first cousin of Cord Sr.'s son, Cord Meyer Jr. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKmeyerC.htm This is probably the obit of Charles G. Meyer's son, and best man S. Willets' brother: http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.htm...DAE0894D9484D81 Charles G. Meyer, 71; A Developer in Queens (NYT); Obituary July 13, 1981, Monday Late City Final Edition, Section D, Page 8, Column 6, 256 words [ DISPLAYING ABSTRACT ]Charles G. Meyer, former president of the Cord Meyer Company of New York and secretary of the Cord Meyer Development Company, which began developing Forest Hills, Queens, at the turn of the century, died Saturday after a long illness at the Hilaire Nursing Home in Huntington, L.I. Mr. Meyer, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted January 29, 2009 Share Posted January 29, 2009 (edited) Ed Hooker's best man in his 1946 wedding ushered by George HW Bush, is reported in the NY Times as S. Willets Meyer. Meyer's wife, Lucie Taft (now Lucie Taft Meyer Bard, S. Willets Meyer died circa 1975, Lucie remarried in 1980) is the grand daughter of Charles A. Draper: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...9649C946696D6CFWALBRIDGE S. TAFT WEDS MISS DRAPER; Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George A. Draper a Bride in Her Boston Home. EX-PRESIDENT ATTENDS His Nephew's Marriage Is Followed by a Reception;-The Bridal Attendants. Special to The New York Times. February 11, 1917, Sunday BOSTON, Feb. 10.--Miss Helen Draper, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George A. Draper, was married today at noon to Walbridge Smith Taft, son of Mr. and Mrs. Henry W. Taft of New York, at her home, 297 Commonwealth Avenue, by the Rev. Dr. Alexander Mann of Trinity Church. http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22...=N&start=10WALBRIDGE S. TAFT, LAWYER, DIES AT 65; Nephew of the Late President,... - New York Times - Jan 3, 1951 20, 1923; a son, Henry ' Waters Taft; two daughters, Miss Elizabeth Wing Taft and Mrs. S. Willets Meyer, and a brother William Howard Taft 2d, ... http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=luc...=1&ie=UTF-8Daughter to Mrs. Meyer - New York Times - May 27, 1961 Mrs. Meyer is the former Miss Lucie Taft, daughter of Mrs. Walbridge S. Taft of New York and the late Mr. Taft. The l child, who will be named Lucie Wing, ... Related web pages Mrs. SW Meyer Has Child - New York Times - Aug 10, 1956 3 in Woman's Hospital to Mr. and Mrs. S. Willets Meyer of East Norwich, L. I. Mrs. Meyer is the former Miss Lucie Tart, daughter of Mrs. Walbridge S. Taft ... Wickliffe Draper was Lucie's uncle..... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=126872The book is actually titled: 150 Questions for a Guerrilla which I now own but there is no article inside written by Ulius Amoss called Leaderless Resistance. The whole book is based on the "concept" of Leaderless Resistance and guerrilla warfare, but the name Amoss and the title Leaderless Resistance does not appear anywhere in the book. The role of Frank G. Wisner, from Laurel, Mississippi who worked closely with Charles Douglas Jackson (C. D. Jackson) according to George Michael Evica in A Certain Arrogance as well as the roles of Wisner and Colonel Philip J. Corso now loom even larger in the JFK conundrum. Evica spends over 12 pages on C. D. Jackson and perhaps another 20 on Frederick G. Osborn and Wickliffe Draper plus Gen. William H. Draper, Jr., but he leaves out one crucial piece of information. The fact that C. D. Jackson was in the wedding party of Wickliffe Draper's sister in 1924 when she married a nephew of former President William Howard Taft. Jackson and Draper were in their early 30's then and remained lifetime associates. This confirms the role of C. D. Jackson, the PsyOps expert in withholding the Zapruder film from public viewing for years, most likely at Draper's request. Also the ISI publication was called INFORM and that went out to its subscribers which included Herbert Philbrick once in the FBI. I also just received a copy of the Ninth Air Force pictorial puff piece in a book commissioned by Hoyt Vandenburg and published by Amoss which contains over 40 water color reproductions of the Ninth Air Force in action. Quite a nice piece of work. The Ninth Air Force was involved in Northern Africa operations during World War II including Amoss locations in Cairo and Algiers where Bonner Fellers allowed the troop movements of Montgomery to be intercepted. Hitler called Fellers "our best source of information" and Fellers appeared later in The Manchurian Candidate as Fighting Frank Bollinger. Edited January 29, 2009 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted January 30, 2009 Share Posted January 30, 2009 Correction to info in last post and an update.... Although the best man in Ed Hooker's 1946 wedding, S. Willets Meyer was married to Lucie Clark Taft who was the daughter of the man married in 1917 to Helen Draper, sister of Wickliffe Draper, Walbridge S. Taft was divorced from Helen Draper before his daughter Lucie, future wife of (S Willets Meyer) was born: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en...+emory+w.+clarkElizabeth Clark Bride Of Walbridge S. Taft Pay-Per-View - Washington Post - ProQuest Archiver - Sep 21, 1923 Miss Elizabeth Clark, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. Emory W. Clark, became the bride of Walbridge S. Taft, son of Mr, and Mrs. Henry W. Taft, this afternoon at ... http://books.google.com/books?um=1&q=%...nG=Search+Books Burke's Presidential Families of the United States of America by Hugh Montgomery-Massingberd - History - 1981 - 691 pages Page 429 B: FULL BROTHERS AND SISTER OF PRESIDENT TAFT 6 Samuel Davenport TAFT, 6 1855; ... of Detroit, Michigan, and had issue, (l)*Lucie Clark TAFT, b 1924. ... Ed Hooker may not have gotten a mention from George HW Bush in his memoirs, but Bush seems to have spent much time with Ed Hooker, and not only at school in Andover, MA: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=luc...user_hdate=1946HARRIET WHELPLEY HONORED AT DANCE; Debutante, Recent Graduate of... - New York Times - Jun 28, 1942 ... Elena Schmidt, Eleanora Smart, lola Stetson, Jane Stilwell, Lucie Taft, ... Edward Hooker, William Sagar Jr., John Lincoln, Prescott Bush, George Bush, ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted February 2, 2009 Share Posted February 2, 2009 (edited) Edward Hooker's March 30, 1967 obituary in the NY Times death notices, displays "sudden", next to the details. The obit itself decribes Hooker as a "former EF Hutton stock broker". I found the following reference to Hooker and a seat he purchased at a very low price on the NYSE, and later sold at a nice profit, when "his health started failing".... http://books.google.com/books?q=rogue+hogl...nG=Search+BooksRogues to Riches: The Trouble with Wall Street - Page 182 by Murray Teigh Bloom - Wall Street (New York, N.Y.) - 1971 - 332 pages The seat Alex Chapro now holds originated on February 28, 1929 when the New York Stock Exchange decided to add 275 members. With seats then selling for $400,000, the exchange ruled each member would have one right to a new seat for which four rights would be required. In effect, the exchange had voted each existing seat holder a $100,000 bonus. He could buy three other rights and get another seat for his firm or he could sell his right. Walter John Rich, Jr.... ....He kept it only sixteen months and sold it because of intense ulcers. Howard Filston, a twenty-seven-year-old Ohioan, picked it up for $260000 representing a Midwest brokerage chain, which dissolved in 1933 when the seat was sold for $150000. James A. Hogle, a mining engineer turned broker, acquired it, and it was sold after his death for $75,000 The new seat holder was Edward Gordon Hooker. His health started failing in 1966, and the seat was sold to Alex Chapro for $200,000... When I read that the seller of the NYSE seat to Hooker was a "mining engineer", I searched for possible associations of James A. Hogel with Everette Lee DeGolyer, McCloy's brother-in-law, Lewis Douglas and Douglas's father, "rawhide Jimmy", and his grandfather, "James Douglas", and also the brothers George and Dimitri, and I came up with nothing. More and more, I am being impressed with the very small size of the pond that the very rich and the less rich "society volk" who inhabit the same environs as the very rich, actually limited themselves to swimming in, especially in the pre-jet age of the pre-1960 era. It may not be coincidental or unusual enough to arouse a high level of suspicion that "the baron", the Bouviers, the Bushes, Hookers, Meyers, Kennedy's and many other of these "high society" families knew each other quite well. They all travelled on ocean liners at the same time of year, attended each others weddings and other social gatherings, and spent winters in the same small, tropical Florida. oceanfront areas. What remains unusual is that one or some knew Oswald, or were agents or managers in OSS, CIA, ONI, other DOD areas, or in the MIC. I found another wedding described as including the best man at Ed Hooker's wedding, S. Willets Meyer. It was the wedding of S. Willets Meyer's first cousin, William, the brother of Cord Meyer Jr.: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=cor...=1&ie=UTF-8… MANBASSBT-BRE; Has 9 Attendants at Marriage to William B.... - New York Times - Dec 19, 1948 The usher were Cord Meyer Jr., another brother; Willetts Meyer. cousin of the bridegroom; David F. Bartlett of Hobo Sound, Fla.; Robert Watts of Mount Kisco ... After finding that David F. Bartlett, of "Hobo Sound", was the brother of Charles Leffingwell Bartlett, the close friend of JFK and Jackie who attempted to introduce them to each other, for the very first time, when they were both in attendance at David F. Bartlett's 1949 wedding, I looked into David's brother, Charles and found that their father, Valentine C. Bartlett, was shot to death at the family's Hobe Sound, aka "Jupiter Island" home in February 1953, that a month later, Valentine's widow sold the beachfront home and a larger main house to C. Douglas Dillon, that Charles and his wife, Josephine Martha were both included in the 1953 Kennedy-Bouvier wedding party, that Jospehine Martha was chosen as John Jr.s god mother at his 1960 christenting, and that Charles stood in at the christening for Jackie's absent brother-in-law and actual god father, and to top it off, this; http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=Cor...=1&ie=UTF-8From a one-world crusade to the 'department of dirty tricks';... - New York Times - Jan 7, 1973 On the other hand, Charles Bartlett, who knows Meyer perhaps better than any other man, says, "Cord is a very frank guy. When he doesn't agree with somebody ... http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAburleighN.htm Charles Bartlett, a mutual friend of Cord and the president, had spoken to Kennedy about a political appointment for Cord but "was told by JFK that due to ... ....I decided I would soon begin a separate, "Charles Leffingwell Bartlett" thread...... Edited February 2, 2009 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 (edited) Ed Hooker's best man in his 1946 wedding ushered by George HW Bush, is reported in the NY Times as S. Willets Meyer.Meyer's wife, Lucie Taft (now Lucie Taft Meyer Bard, S. Willets Meyer died circa 1975, Lucie remarried in 1980) is the grand daughter of Charles A. Draper: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html...9649C946696D6CFWALBRIDGE S. TAFT WEDS MISS DRAPER; Daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George A. Draper a Bride in Her Boston Home. EX-PRESIDENT ATTENDS His Nephew's Marriage Is Followed by a Reception;-The Bridal Attendants. Special to The New York Times. February 11, 1917, Sunday BOSTON, Feb. 10.--Miss Helen Draper, daughter of Mr. and Mrs. George A. Draper, was married today at noon to Walbridge Smith Taft, son of Mr. and Mrs. Henry W. Taft of New York, at her home, 297 Commonwealth Avenue, by the Rev. Dr. Alexander Mann of Trinity Church. http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22...=N&start=10WALBRIDGE S. TAFT, LAWYER, DIES AT 65; Nephew of the Late President,... - New York Times - Jan 3, 1951 20, 1923; a son, Henry ' Waters Taft; two daughters, Miss Elizabeth Wing Taft and Mrs. S. Willets Meyer, and a brother William Howard Taft 2d, ... http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=luc...=1&ie=UTF-8Daughter to Mrs. Meyer - New York Times - May 27, 1961 Mrs. Meyer is the former Miss Lucie Taft, daughter of Mrs. Walbridge S. Taft of New York and the late Mr. Taft. The l child, who will be named Lucie Wing, ... Related web pages Mrs. SW Meyer Has Child - New York Times - Aug 10, 1956 3 in Woman's Hospital to Mr. and Mrs. S. Willets Meyer of East Norwich, L. I. Mrs. Meyer is the former Miss Lucie Tart, daughter of Mrs. Walbridge S. Taft ... Wickliffe Draper was Lucie's uncle..... http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=126872The book is actually titled: 150 Questions for a Guerrilla which I now own but there is no article inside written by Ulius Amoss called Leaderless Resistance. The whole book is based on the "concept" of Leaderless Resistance and guerrilla warfare, but the name Amoss and the title Leaderless Resistance does not appear anywhere in the book. The role of Frank G. Wisner, from Laurel, Mississippi who worked closely with Charles Douglas Jackson (C. D. Jackson) according to George Michael Evica in A Certain Arrogance as well as the roles of Wisner and Colonel Philip J. Corso now loom even larger in the JFK conundrum. Evica spends over 12 pages on C. D. Jackson and perhaps another 20 on Frederick G. Osborn and Wickliffe Draper plus Gen. William H. Draper, Jr., but he leaves out one crucial piece of information. The fact that C. D. Jackson was in the wedding party of Wickliffe Draper's sister in 1924 when she married a nephew of former President William Howard Taft. Jackson and Draper were in their early 30's then and remained lifetime associates. This confirms the role of C. D. Jackson, the PsyOps expert in withholding the Zapruder film from public viewing for years, most likely at Draper's request. Also the ISI publication was called INFORM and that went out to its subscribers which included Herbert Philbrick once in the FBI. I also just received a copy of the Ninth Air Force pictorial puff piece in a book commissioned by Hoyt Vandenburg and published by Amoss which contains over 40 water color reproductions of the Ninth Air Force in action. Quite a nice piece of work. The Ninth Air Force was involved in Northern Africa operations during World War II including Amoss locations in Cairo and Algiers where Bonner Fellers allowed the troop movements of Montgomery to be intercepted. Hitler called Fellers "our best source of information" and Fellers appeared later in The Manchurian Candidate as Fighting Frank Bollinger. Nice piece of work there, Tom. I have had great difficulty in convincing anyone about the massive significance of the long standing ties between Wickliffe Draper and C. D. Jackson, which go back to that 1924 wedding of William Howard Taft's nephew and Wickliffe Draper's sister when Wickcliffe was an usher or the best man, forget which one. I had to truck it to the Hopedale Public Library and go through decades of newspaper clippings before stumbling onto this little gem. And the fact that Ulius Amoss actually went to work for Frank Wisner at the CIA while still publishing the ISI Foundation's periodical which was discovered by James Richards I think, is another really nice gem. Frank Wisner was ultimately quite chagrined to find out that the CIA stable of programmed assassins were turned against JFK and that he was somehow directly or indirectly responsible. More and more deleterious information is coming to forefront about Gen. Bonner Fellers, on the masthead of the ISI Foundation, of Ulius Amoss, along with Charles A. Willoughby as well. Hitler called Fellers "our best source of information" and Fellers made the mistake of praising Hitler at a public forum or speech. And MacArthur called Willoughby "My little Fascist" as documented by Dick Russell in TMWKTM. The fact that there were several American Generals who snuck into the service of the U.S. Government whose real allegiances still were with Nazi Germany including Albert C. Wedemeyer and George Stratemeyer, both German born and raised. Wedemeyer was the suspected source of a security leak regarding the US war plans published by Robert McCormick in the Chicago Tribune. McCormick was a reich-winger, a founder of the America First Committee and also had strong pro-Nazi sympathies along with William Regnery of Regnery Publishers. America First tried to keep the US neutral so Hitler could have his way in Europe. And never forget that Anastase Vonsiatsky "ran every White Russian spy in North America" according to Charles Higham and that would INCLUDE "George deMohrenschildt". I think that fact was in American Swastika or his other anti-Nazi work. American Swastika/the Shocking Story of Nazi Collaborators in Our Midst from 1933 to the Present Day by Charles Higham ( 1985) Chronicles the relationship between Americans and the Nazis from the 1930s to the present, examining the activities of Nazi sympathizers in the U.S. government, the Catholic Church, and other facets of American life. Though Ulius Amoss died in 1961, his stable of programmed assassins never disappeared into the woodwork, but they were taken over by Ray S. Cline who was also mentioned in The Manchurian Candidate by Richard Condon. Cline was head of WACL during it's most blatant pro-Fascist, Nazi sypmathizer period according to the Washington Post in the 1980's. It was Cline and Robert Emmett Johnson who did in JFK and MLK plus the Archbishop in South America for WACL. Cline was in Taiwan (in the Pink Palace) when Lee Harvey Oswald was there, he was in Tsingtao and/or Mukden when Robert Emmett Johnson was there (probably being programmed Manchurian Candiate style), and Cline was also in the Phillippines when Benito Acquino was assassinated, (circa 1983?) according to a career foreign diplomat who married into my family. The way that the Manchurian Candidate styled techniques used on the Japanese Kamikaze pilots in Harbin, Manchuria made its way into mainstream Reich Wing extremist hands was via Dr. Hans J. Eysenck of both The Pioneer Fund of Wickliffe Draper and the MKULTRA projects of the Angletons, the Grays, the Drapers and the Bushes. He was the only person invovled with both sides of the fence and he was a dedicated Nazi sympathizer as well. The fact that these techniques were likely used on both the PLO bombers and the 911 pilots is a sad testament to the fact that "what goes around comes around". The CIA should have just buried and burned the training manuals for Manchurian Candidate programming. Instead the Genie is out of the bottle for good (and for evil, of course.) So it can finally be stated that the Eugenics based Draper influenced pro-Nazi Fascist sympathizers mentioned in The Manchurian Candidate by Richard Condon (written in 1958) were behind the entire plot to kill JFK. They also used C.D. Jackson to purchase and alter the Zapruder Film for Life Magazine, and relied upon professional pro-Fascist scapegoaters who also appeared in The Manchurian Candidate like Dr. Revilo P. Oliver and Rev. Gerald L K Smith to obliterate the Trail of the Assassins and to concoct alternative scenarios in order to deflect attention from the actual perps. Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. Oswald was chosen as the "perfect patsy" because his presence in the plot would force the U.S. Government to go along with the entire cover-up for fear of exposing the roles of the likes of James Angleton, Carleton Coon, Allen Dulles, Ulius Amoss, Charles Willoughby, Bonner Fellers, Ray S. Cline, Robert J. Morris and others in MKULTRA or Operation Bluebird, and several other assassinations against foreign leaders who were inimical to the interests of the USA. Side note: Is it possible that the Frank Wisner and Cord Meyer suicides were as a direct result of being drawn into either the actual JFK plot against their wills, or as a result of discovering who the actual killers were and not being able to do anything about it either before or after the fact? My naivete might be showing here, but even though JFK allegedly slept with Cord Meyer's wife, I can not fathom why Cord Meyer would voluntarily participate in an anti-JFK plot. And even though Frank Wisner had some serious Mississippi family and corporate ties, I can not see him willingly plotting against JFK either. But I could be wrong on this score. Edited February 3, 2009 by John Bevilaqua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [...] Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. Oswald was chosen as the "perfect patsy" because his presence in the plot would force the U.S. Government to go along with the entire cover-up for fear of exposing the roles of the likes of James Angleton, Carleton Coon, Allen Dulles, Ulius Amoss, Charles Willoughby, Bonner Fellers, Ray S. Cline, Robert J. Morris and others in MKULTRA or Operation Bluebird, and several other assassinations against foreign leaders who were inimical to the interests of the USA. [...] ________________________________________________________________ John, As much as I hate to admit it, this time I gotta compliment you for a great post. Very informative, fairly concise, and no ranting to speak of which, "considering the source," is quite refreshing, actually. Somewhat like the proverbial breath of fresh air. (LOL) I particulary like the excerpt I'm posting in this here reply. Keep up the good work. --Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted February 3, 2009 Share Posted February 3, 2009 [...] Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. Oswald was chosen as the "perfect patsy" because his presence in the plot would force the U.S. Government to go along with the entire cover-up for fear of exposing the roles of the likes of James Angleton, Carleton Coon, Allen Dulles, Ulius Amoss, Charles Willoughby, Bonner Fellers, Ray S. Cline, Robert J. Morris and others in MKULTRA or Operation Bluebird, and several other assassinations against foreign leaders who were inimical to the interests of the USA. [...] ________________________________________________________________ John, As much as I hate to admit it, this time I gotta compliment you for a great post. Very informative, fairly concise, and no ranting to speak of which, "considering the source," is quite refreshing, actually. Somewhat like the proverbial breath of fresh air. (LOL) I particulary like the excerpt I'm posting in this here reply. Keep up the good work. --Thomas One of my specialties is the extended, meandering, disconnected, rant. Must be slipping. "We get too soon olllldt and too late schmaarrrttt!" - as my Grandfather used to say. By the way, I hate those frigging stupid emoticons. Did anybody notice that almost the entire list above shared one thing in common? James Angleton, Allen Dulles, Ulius Amoss, Charles Willoughby, Bonner Fellers, Ray S. Cline, Robert J. Morris Take a guess before peeking down below the margin.... . . . . . . . . . . . . They were all somehow or another ignominiously embarrassed, fired, released, relieved of duty, exposed or otherwise castigated and then separated from their US Government jobs as total pariahs. Does that mean they decided to use all the tools and tricks of the trade they learned to get back at JFK and the US Gov using MKULTRA, Mind Control, blackmail, and military tactics, weapons, subterfuges, intelligence and agents trained in assassination and covert ops by our own government? Why of course it does. It must. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) [...] Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. [...] ________________________________________________________________ Bevilaqua, (is that your real name?) Thanks you making a post-rather-informative. Fairly concise, and yes rather informative, quite well-written (as is to be expected from a Haaavard grad such as yourself, I suppose. I particulary like the excerpt I'm posting in this here reply. Keep up the good work, Bevilaqua. --Thomas John (is that your real name?), You're Welcome. You know how much I love complimenting you. John (is that really yourl name???), have you ever posted on other websites that Alvin Beubouef was an "agent" of the so-called (White Russian) Soldarists ? Yours, --Tommy O'Mochain (biolgical name; what's yours, really?) Edited February 5, 2009 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) ...and Linda.... this is a longshot....especially with George's disjointed WC testimony describing a "sister-in-law" he didn't have in 1939.......Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. But before that I was in Texas and worked for Humble Oil Co.Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, I went by bus--to Texas by bus. But what actually helped me was that my sister-in-law, my wife's sister, had a very, very close friend in Louisiana, Mrs. Margaret Clark--Margaret Clark Williams, who had large oil properties, large estates in Louisiana. That is about the year 1939. I got to Louisiana, as the guest, I remember--with my sister-in-law's aunt, Mrs. Edwards. And then I looked the situation around in New Orleans and decided to apply for a job with Humble Oil Co. Mr. JENNER. In New Orleans? Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. No. They had a branch office in New Orleans, but I had to apply for a job in Houston. So I went to Houston, and I applied for a job with Mr. Suman, who is vice president of Humble Oil Co. Also I met the chairman of the board of the Humble Oil Co. through mutual acquaintances.... Actor turned director, Walter Edwards, aka "Edward", born in Michigan on Jan. 8, 1870, was Marguerite Clark William's favorite director. Employed at Famous Players-Lasky Paramount studios, Edwards directed her last six "moving pictures", the final one just before his death on April 12, 1920: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=dir...user_hdate=1920 EDWARDS, DIRECTOR FOR LASKY, IS DEAD. Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - ProQuest Archiver - Apr 15, 1920 WAS IN HONOLULU FOR HEALTH WHEN END CAME VERY UNEXPECTEDLY. The next step is to find who Edwards wife was. I don't have access to more than the above description. The odds of the "Mrs. Edwards" in the WC testimony, describing events 19 years after Walter Edwards' death, seem too thin to spend the money to see if Edwards' wife is named in the Proquest Obit. I've searched 1910 and 1920 US Census records, and Edwards could have lived in NYC in 1910, he worked for Thomas Ince's New York based studios in the early teens, but there is a description of him directing an Ince picture at their Los Angeles location also. Was Dorothy Pierson, who De MOHRENSCHILDT said he met in Palm Beach in 1941 or 1942, and married in 1943, his first wife, as I assume? We can all just cut to the quick when we consider the most pertinent, yet almost always overlooked facts about George deM: (1) His wife, Jeanne, was born in "Harbin, Manchuoko, Manchuria" during the White Russian Czarists exile and diaspora, where "The Count" Anastase "Annie" Vonsiatsky had his anti-Communist Headquarters for decades. See "The Russian Fascists" by John J. Stephan (Little, Brown 1979) See chapter on "The Manchurian Mafia" and others. Vonsiatsky "sent" both suicide mission assassins ("programmed assassins?") and trained bombers into Russia for several decades to murder various communist party officers and commisars. He is also credited with formulating the "Manchurian Candidate" training recipe that crated the "Kamikaze Pilots" used by the Japanese. After all, Harbin, Manchuoko was occupied by the Japanese for a period maybe encapsulating the 1930's and some of the 1940's. (not positive of the timespan) (2) According to John Higham in American Swastika, Vonsiatsky "ran" every single White Russian spy in North America for decades. While living in Thompson, CT near Putnam, CT and his near his close fiend Wickliffe Draper in Hopedale, MA (only 25 miles as the crow flies from his home) he often entertained foreign guests who were members of the German American Bund and the White Russian Solidarist community. (3) George deMohrenschildt's cousin, a Baron Constantine de Maydell was arrested as a "Nazi" spy during WW-II and served some serious jail time. They were both "White Russian" pro-Czarist fascists in the mold of Vonsiatsky. Vonsiatsky was convicted by prosecutor Thomas J. Dodd of violations of The Espionage Act of 1917 and went to the Federal Pen for 4-5 years (circa 1942-1946), the same place where General Edwin A. Walker went after The American Insurrection in Oxford, Mississippi in the early 1960's. (4) By inference, Vonsiatsky "ran" deMohrenschildt and would have been well known to both Jeanne and George due to the fact that he was one of the 2-3 most important White Russians in Harbin during that entire period. (5) Vonsiatsky was "The Manchurian Candidate" of Richard Condon fame and appeared in an anagram: "...known as Yaztas, Fravashi and Amesha Spentas." Yeah, I know, another anagram... ...which translates to: "Tzar Anastase Vonsiatsky, Dawn Phase Fashism" You think I make this stuff up? Cross out the letters yourself... I think only 2 letters have to be re-used twice artificially, the "I" and the "T" but other than that ALL of the letters are used only once each. If you don't try it yourself you will never be convinced otherwise. So don't worry how silly you might look, no one will be watching. K N O W N A S Y A Z T A S F R A V A S H I A N D A M E S H A S P E N T A S T S A R A N A S T A S E V O N S I A T S K Y D A W N P H A S E F A S H I S M Go ahead, connect the letters, I challenge you all. Have fun with this. Just Google "Anastase Vonsiatsky photos" and you will find the following web selections complete with Swastikas.... What was George's favorite but little known pseudonym? I will leave this one as a temporary open issue, just to see who knows there stuff the best about Georgie boy... 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John Bevilaqua Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 [...] Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. [...] ________________________________________________________________ Bevilaqua, (is that your real name?) Thanks you making a post-rather-informative. Fairly concise, and yes rather informative, quite well-written (as is to be expected from a Haaavard grad such as yourself, I suppose. I particulary like the excerpt I'm posting in this here reply. Keep up the good work, Bevilaqua. --Thomas John (is that your real name?), You're Welcome. You know how much I love complimenting you. John (is that really yourl name???), have you ever posted on other websites that Alvin Beubouef was an "agent" of the so-called (White Russian) Soldarists ? Yours, --Tommy O'Mochain (biolgical name; what's yours, really?) Tom, for your benefit, I try to use really small words now, and I type particularly slowly, too, since I was told that you can not read very quickly and apparently you prefer my new compact style. ;>) That is just a <grin> The name Beubouef appears to be of Russian origin, but I do not recall doing any research on this guy or making any comments. What was Alvin's role in these events anyway? Who was that other FBI agent from Dallas... a Warren deBrueys (sp?) Now certainly that is a White Russian name, and in fact even Mitchell Werbell III stated that his father was a cavalry officer in the Czar's army. When I started down this White Russian trail it began because of people like the Dallas Petroleum Geologists and other staunch anti-Communist Czarists involved in the case along with Georgie boy, who willingly took Oswald into their fold. They mostly all worked for J. Howard Pew at Sun Oil Co. out of Pittsburgh. Pew was accused of selling diesel fuel to the Nazis during World War II at one time for apparent use in the gas chambers. Real nice guy this Pew fellow. He knew Col. Willard F. Rockwell who had an office in Pittsburgh, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) [...] Oswald was in fact another programmed Manchurian Candiate assassin just like Robert Emmett Johnson, but he still could never have made the kill shots from the Depository. [...] ________________________________________________________________ Bevilaqua, (is that your real name?) Thanks you making a post-rather-informative. Fairly concise, and yes rather informative, quite well-written (as is to be expected from a Haaavard grad such as yourself, I suppose. I particulary like the excerpt I'm posting in this here reply. Keep up the good work, Bevilaqua. --Thomas John (is that your real name?), You're Welcome. You know how much I love complimenting you. John (is that really yourl name???), have you ever posted on other websites that Alvin Beubouef was an "agent" of the so-called (White Russian) Soldarists ? Yours, --Tommy O'Mochain (biolgical name; what's yours, really?) At the age of 17 or 18 in 1963, Al could only have been an agent of the Civil Air Patrol at best from what I can tell. When I was 15 or 16 we were all "deputized" as junior Civil Defense members and given a phone number to call if we ever saw any rocket vapor trails overhead heading in a South to North direction towards Washington, DC from Havana. Now "that" was the extent of our high technology missile defense system in place in South Florida (Miami) during the early days of the Cuban Missile Crisis. On the back of the card it should have said: "Now have a seat somewhere, put your head between your knees and lock your hands behind your head and then you can readily kiss your XXX goodbye." My real name is: Mr. John Jacob Jingle-Heimer Englebert Humperdinck J. Alfred Prufock Smith. Happy now? What is your claim to fame in the JFK conundrum anyway? Or are you just a dilletante? Post edited by moderator due to language. Edited February 6, 2009 by Antti Hynonen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) John, Do you have any awareness of "Vala" Valentina Osterman(n) ? I've posted references to her in the "Patrick Hoy" thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...st&p=160764Ernest Jr's wife from 1956 to 1970, was a White Russian noblewoman, married previously a Spaniard with fascist ties: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?hl=en...osterman+garcia Mrs. Ernest Byfield Jr. Is Dead; Active in Many Society Benefits New York Times - Aug 19, 1970 "Mrs. Byfield, the former Valentina Osterman, was born to a nobleman and 'his in_ in ... subsequently was married to Pelayo Garcia Olay, a Spanish diplomat, ... " ...this may be her....click on the "translate this page" option: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=1929+va...;fp=23tj5qXL0AY Miss Russland – Wikipedia - [ Translate this page ] 22. Jan. 2009 ... 1929, Valentina Osterman(n) [2], Валентина Остерман. Irina Lewitskaja [Levetky], Ирина Левицкая. 1930, Irene Wentzell [Wentzel] ... de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Russland ....anyway, I thought she would be easier to trace back to her white Russian parents....she came into her marriage to Ernest Byfield Jr., circa 1955, with a 55 carat diamond....I assumed that she inherited the diamond. Ernest is Ernie Byfield Jr., mentioned in David KE Bruce's book as an OSS officer: http://www.google.com/#hl=en&safe=off&...;fp=23tj5qXL0AYOSS Against the Reich: The World War II Diaries of Colonel David ... - Google Books Result by David Kirkpatrick Este Bruce, Nelson D. Lankford - 1991 - Biography & Autobiography - 257 pages One of our SI men, Byfield,'4 returned yesterday with a slight hand wound. Being on the point of boarding a transport for France, he was taking a photograph ... As I've documented in the post linked above, after Vala Osterman Byfield died in 1970, Ernest married an Italian countess named Diana Masieri. The widow Masieri Byfield has been married to one Robert Strange McNamara since 2004: http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=dia...=1&ie=UTF-8 Ernest's mom was Gladys Rosenthal of Chicago, originally married to Ernest L. Byfield, of the Sherman Hotel Group and the Ambassador East Hotel's Pump Room restaurant. Glady's second husband was Raymond F. Tartiere, a Parisian and London banker. In 1940, the couple purchased the 400 acre, Glen Ora estate in Middleburg, VA. In late 1960, at the suggestion of JFK friend, WWII Time war correspondent, turned artist, William Walton, JFK, with Jackie's encouragement, leased Glen Ora from Walton's "old friend", Gladys Tartiere, allegedly relutctantly until Clark Clifford and Walton could convince Tartiere to do so. Glen Ora was the weekend white house until spring, 1963, with Jackie and children usually living there from thursday until monday nights. Ernest L. Byfield groomed his executive assistant, Patrick Hoy, to assume the presidency of the Sherman Hotel group, upon Byfield's death in 1950. It was reported that Byfield, never having written a word in print, suddenly took off for Europe in 1944 on assignment of Hearst newspapers as a war correspondent. Chicago columnist Irv Kupcinet, a close friend, along with Patrick Hoy, of mob lawyer Sidney Korshak, lived nightly, for many years in booth one of the Pump Room restaurant, managed by Byfield, and then by Patrick Hoy. Ernest Jr., with white Russian wife Vala at home, was a director of Sherman Hotels, along with his brother, Hugh. Kupcinet's co-columnists and childhood friends Ira and Jimmy Colitz, owned the Clover bar, next to Hotel Sherman, and were friends since childhood with Jack Ruby. Testimony to the WC revealed that Ruby frequented the Clover Bar, returning there within the year before Nov, 22, 1963, and Ruby's brother testified that Ruby lived at the Sherman Hotel after leaving the military in 1946, and stayed there when visiting Chicago, thereafter. Henry Crown, largest stockholder of TFX prime contractor, General Dynamics, as head of the executive committee, hired Hoy in 1960, as Gen Dyn corporate VP and president of it's Chicago, Material Service divison. Henry Crown's personal attorney, Albert E. Jenner, was appointed assistant counsel on the WC, responsible for determining whether Oswald or Ruby were part of a conspiracy...or not, by Earl Warren, a close friend of Henry Crown's principle business partner and friend, Conrad Hilton. Clark Clifford, mentioned as the JFK aide responsible for "convincing" Gladys Tartiere to lease GLen Ora to JFK, sponsored Albert E. Jenner, a republican, for an LBJ appointment to the Supreme Court. Clifford's obit describes a scheduled "one on one", one hour meeting on Nov., 23, 1963 at the white house with LBJ, that turned into four hours, lasting "long into the evening"....... Patrick Hoy pled guilty in 1970 to "wire fraud", in the course of fraudulantly obtaining $5 million in bank loans, and declaring bankruptcy with default on loans of $165,000 outstanding to sons of Henry Crown. Although Crown's son, "John J.", was an associate and then law partner of Albert Jenner since 1959, and Crown gained the most financially from the halting of the senate investigations of Bobby Baker, TFX, and LBJ after Nov., 22, 1963, Jenner was still appointed to the WC. Henry Crown's other son, Lester, net worth $4.8 billion, and his son, James Schine Crown, are early and principle backers of President Obama's presidential bid. Lester's wife, Renee Schine, is the sister of the late G. David Schine, close associate of Roy Cohn in 1954, and target of RFK's embarassing exposure of Cohn's 43 attempts to persuade the US Army to provide special treatment, exemption from the draft, or officer's commission for draftee Schine. Schine later served as the GM of his father's Ambassador Hotel in Los Angeles, still owned by the Schine family when RFK was shot there in June, 1968. Probably all unrelated, just the work of an all knowing and omnipotent God, laying down a series of unrelated coincidences, intended to confuse and confound us, for his amusement? Edited February 5, 2009 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Bevilaqua Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (edited) Tom, I have not heard of her before this. I tend to focus on those suspects who have a long and fabled history of violence, or those who make violent and threatening statements (anti-Kennedy or anti-Democracy) and those who have memberships or leadership positions in either pro-Nazi or pro-Fascist organizations. I try to give their women-folk the benefit of the doubt. As you know murders and violent felonies are usually committed by persons with excessive testosterone levels. <grin> Plus, those most likely to work for the destruction of the Iron Curtain via the death of JFK usually lost almost everything during the 1917 Russian Revolution. Anyone who has a husband who can afford a 55-carat diamond ring is not going to rattle cages or take many risks. Poverty, hate and remorse breeds thoughts of revenge and efforts to recapture lost riches earned under the Czarist regime which still might be recoverable. Even Herbert Hoover's family lost oil wells and property in the 1917 Revolution and spent decades trying to get it all back somehow. But I will keep an eye out for any links to her or her husbands. She might have been a moneybags source for Vonsiatsky though. I will send you a few private names of interest if you have the time or interest to pursue them, but one or 2 may still be alive, so please use caution. I will identify those still armed and dangerous and you have to promise never to divulge their names on this or any other public forum. You game for this? Ironically enough I suffered a Transient Ischemic Attack (TIA) a few years ago, too, but the blood clot was dislodged as I hit the floor and I only suffered speech impairnment and motor skill disruptions for about 5-6 hours. Really sorry to hear about your wife and what you are both going through. There but for the grace of God, go I. My prayers are with you both. I was told that I had the same condition which caused Tedy Bruschi of the Patriots to have his stroke, too. John Bevilaqua Edited February 5, 2009 by John Bevilaqua Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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