David Andrews Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) In the past, there has been speculation on that the famous photo taken in DP may have been one of Maxwell Taylor. I believe it is Lansdale. An important marker for identifying Lansdale from behind may be the size and shape of his head, and perhaps the length of his arms in the photo. I think this because I suspect, from looking at EGL photos, that he may have been a victim of acromegaly, a disorder of the pituitary that releases human growth hormone. Effects include elongation of the facial features, a high forehead, a "lantern jaw," and enlargement of the brows and nose (these last not relevant to Lansdale). Tallness is accentuated, and long arms and legs develop. I am wondering if there is a physician among us who could compute the height of Lansdale's head, especially from the top of the ears to the crown, and compare it to the head seen from behind in the DP photo. Also worthy of investigation would be the deformed left hand that Prouty saw in the picture, and described as "claw-like." A symptom of acromegaly? Not knowing Lansdale, it's hard for me to peg the DP photo hand to Lansdale's hands in any photo. Remember also that Prouty and Krulak agreed that the DP unsub in the photo showed a drooped right shoulder that resembled Lansdale's. Perhaps a doctor, or an expert in human recognition software, could develop measurements of Lansdale and the DP unsub to compare the right shoulders. IMO, Max Taylor had a round, compact head, rather resembling that of the actor Clark Gable. Lansdale's seems to have considerable height above the ear. Caveat: I sometimes get my hair cut with very short sides, and my head always appears "taller" above the ears for it. BTW - are there any innocent reasons for Lansdale to have been in Ft. Worth on the 21st, so that his appearance in DP on the 22nd might be argued to be a fact-finding mission? Edited August 5, 2010 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) BTW - are there any innocent reasons for Lansdale to have been in Ft. Worth on the 21st, so that his appearance in DP on the 22nd might be argued to be a fact-finding mission? Lansdale retired on November 1. The story was that he was on his way to Arizona to visit family (a son, as I recall) on 11/22/63. Apparently he couldn't afford to fly and had to drive the whole way, and happened to stop in Fort Worth on 11/21. Or maybe he drove because he just wanted to see the country that he would be serving so well. Edited August 5, 2010 by Ron Ecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted August 5, 2010 Author Share Posted August 5, 2010 BTW - are there any innocent reasons for Lansdale to have been in Ft. Worth on the 21st, so that his appearance in DP on the 22nd might be argued to be a fact-finding mission? Lansdale retired on November 1. The story was that he was on his way to Arizona to visit family (a son, as I recall) on 11/22/63. Apparently he couldn't afford to fly and had to drive the whole way, and happened to stop in Fort Worth on 11/21. Or maybe he drove because he just wanted to see the country that he would serving so well. Yeah. He was probably meeting with Barry Goldwater and David Morales... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) BTW - are there any innocent reasons for Lansdale to have been in Ft. Worth on the 21st, so that his appearance in DP on the 22nd might be argued to be a fact-finding mission? Lansdale retired on November 1. The story was that he was on his way to Arizona to visit family (a son, as I recall) on 11/22/63. Apparently he couldn't afford to fly and had to drive the whole way, and happened to stop in Fort Worth on 11/21. Or maybe he drove because he just wanted to see the country that he would serving so well. Yea , right. And Guy Bannister died so impoverished he couldn't even pay the rent on the cheap office he had. This is just another "story",and there is no reason to believe this. Edited August 5, 2010 by Peter McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Yea , right. And Guy Bannister died so impoverished he couldn't even pay the rent on the cheap office he had. This is just another "story",and there is no reason to believe this. I made up the part about Lansdale not being able to afford plane fare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) Yea , right. And Guy Bannister died so impoverished he couldn't even pay the rent on the cheap office he had. This is just another "story",and there is no reason to believe this. I made up the part about Lansdale not being able to afford plane fare. That doesn't get you out of this Ron. Somebody has to either stop making up these stupid stories - or repeating them. Edited August 5, 2010 by Peter McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 That doesn't get you out of this Ron. Somebody has to either stop making up these stupid stories - or repeating them. I did not make up the story about Lansdale driving to Arizona. It may be a stupid story, but if someone made it up it was Lansdale. I was just answering David's question about whether Lansdale had "innocent reasons" for being in Fort Worth. Lansdale's "stupid" story, in that regard, is well worth "repeating," since as far as I know it's the official story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) That doesn't get you out of this Ron. Somebody has to either stop making up these stupid stories - or repeating them. I did not make up the story about Lansdale driving to Arizona. It may be a stupid story, but if someone made it up it was Lansdale. I was just answering David's question about whether Lansdale had "innocent reasons" for being in Fort Worth. Lansdale's "stupid" story, in that regard, is well worth "repeating," since as far as I know it's the official story. What are your sources then? There are countless books out about this part of the matter, so that should not be difficult. Sometimes I think the official story here on this forum is no more than Ed Forum Lore, so indulge me and cite your sources. THE COORS as their career progressed. As I have stated before, I have believe that Edward Lansdale had the motivation and means to kill President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, elected by the people as the President of the United States ( POTUS) and did just that. With whom he accomplished this deed ( besides Allen Dulles, Warren Commision member) I am not sure yet. Edited August 5, 2010 by Peter McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 I do know that EGL retired in the interim between his failure to secure the Saigon ambassadorship and the assassination date. But these guys never "retire," they just acquire new patrons. BTW, I saw the Corrs open for the Rolling Stones in 1999. Big percussion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 (edited) I do know that EGL retired in the interim between his failure to secure the Saigon ambassadorship and the assassination date. But these guys never "retire," they just acquire new patrons. BTW, I saw the Corrs open for the Rolling Stones in 1999. Big percussion! That , David , is what I got out of JFK and Saigon by John Newman back in 1994 when I read that book. But Lansdale didn't retire, Kennedy fired his ass and Landsdale was pissed - really pissed. And since then ( 1994 ) I have believed that Landsdale, who lived his whole life killing people or otherwise making a mess of governments around the world, killed JFK ( by being part of the operation that was authorized.) Thats great about seeing The Coors in 1999! In the spring of that year I went to my brothers second wedding in the Twin Cities; bought my estranged wife (who had my 3 year old daughter) a new car, and went back to Asia - Taiwan then. Worked there until 2006. Missed most Western Pop Music - but enjoying it now!! The Coors get better and better. Edited August 5, 2010 by Peter McGuire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 What are your sources then? There are countless books out about this part of the matter, so that should not be difficult. JFK: The Book of the Film, by Oliver Stone and Zachary Sklar, p. 183. The book's source on Lansdale's drive to Arizona is the "Lansdale papers at the Hoover Institute" (IOW Lansdale himself), which also include a claim check from the Hotel Texas in Fort Worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Josephs Posted August 5, 2010 Share Posted August 5, 2010 Whether it was Landsdale or not... a simple question Would a policeman allow ANYONE to stroll right past him while armed and escorting these men, or any man/men into custody? Isn't that the strangest part of that first picture? Let alone the casual manner the rear policeman is carrying his weapon while seeing this man walk up and then past his "partner"... no reponse from either ??!?? Unless he was indeed known not to be a threat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Burnham Posted August 5, 2010 Author Share Posted August 5, 2010 Whether it was Landsdale or not... a simple question Would a policeman allow ANYONE to stroll right past him while armed and escorting these men, or any man/men into custody? Answer: Absolutely NOT! Isn't that the strangest part of that first picture? Let alone the casual manner the rear policeman is carrying his weapon while seeing this man walk up and then past his "partner"... no reponse from either ??!??Unless he was indeed known not to be a threat... [emphasis added]That is the ONLY explantion--if they are both, indeed, REAL cops... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Fokes Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I do know that EGL retired in the interim between his failure to secure the Saigon ambassadorship and the assassination date. But these guys never "retire," they just acquire new patrons. Kennedy considered Lansdale for the Saigon post, but the Pentagon was cool to the idea. As William Bundy said in an oral interview on March 6, 1972: "I could only speculate that Lansdale was so much the operator that I would think a lot of people might have hesitated about whether he’d be a good number one, coordinating other people and directing an integrated effort. He had always been the wild card and not the straight card." See page 6 of this PDF: http://www.jfklibrary.org/NR/rdonlyres/6F5E3B4B-EF68-4932-B48E-B86AF9F90F66/45907/BundyWilliamP2_oralhistory.pdf Peter Fokes, Toronto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted August 6, 2010 Share Posted August 6, 2010 I do know that EGL retired in the interim between his failure to secure the Saigon ambassadorship and the assassination date. But these guys never "retire," they just acquire new patrons. Kennedy considered Lansdale for the Saigon post, but the Pentagon was cool to the idea. As William Bundy said in an oral interview on March 6, 1972: "I could only speculate that Lansdale was so much the operator that I would think a lot of people might have hesitated about whether he’d be a good number one, coordinating other people and directing an integrated effort. He had always been the wild card and not the straight card." See page 6 of this PDF: http://www.jfklibrary.org/NR/rdonlyres/6F5E3B4B-EF68-4932-B48E-B86AF9F90F66/45907/BundyWilliamP2_oralhistory.pdf Peter Fokes, Toronto "Cool" to this explanation, we will be back with comments a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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