Amazon poster S.V. Anderson might be Vincent Bugliosi

[Guest Robert Morrow]

That is a damn good analysis by Cliff Varnell.

Did someone mention the Bushes and drug running?:

Bo Gritz letter to George H.W. Bush, over US government/CIA involvement in the Burmese heroin trade with Khun Sa in the late 1980’s: http://www.serendipity.li/cia/gritz1.htm

Bo Gritz web page: a lot of good info on US government drug smuggling and George H.W. Bush

http://www.bogritz.com/lookingglass.html

Affidavit of Edward P. Cutolo: http://www.wethepeople.la/cutolo.htm [Military drug running, spying on politicians, including Edward Kennedy.]

Also, it is CRITICAL to understand the story of Chip Tatum - CIA Pegasus Assassin who quit in 1992 rather than take orders by George Herbert Walker Bush to neutralize Ross Perot. Perot knew ALL ABOUT the Bush/Clinton/CIA drug running of the 1980's was incensed about it. GHW Bush was terrified at what a President Perot might do with this knowledge, so Bush had his CIA assassins literally terrorize Perot out of the Presidential race in July, 1992, while Perot was LEADING IN THE POLLS.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/TATUM/tatum.html

More links on Chip Tatum: http://www.google.com/search?q=chip+tatum+pegasus&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-SearchBox&ie=&oe=

[J. Raymond Carroll]

Let's see if I understand the views of Raymond Carroll correctly. Raymond believes:

3) That no way in the world was Gen. Edward Lansdale photographed on 11/22/63 on the sidewalk in front of Texas School Book Depository.

You got me wrong on this one. I do NOT say that Lansdale was not in Dealey Plaza. I do say that it is impossible to make a positive ID on someone photographed from behind, so I don't attribute much value to Prouty's claim that he can ID Lansdale in the "tramp" photos. We identify people by their FACES.

To my eyes, the man who looks like Lansdale is the man at the extreme left of this photo, his face obscured by "Frenchy". I asked Sterling Seagrave about this, and he says that not enough of the man's face is visible for a positive ID, but he could be Lansdale. It seems to me that this guy is making eye contact with the tall "tramp."

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[Dean Hagerman]

Hi Dean

HL Hunt bankrolled the assassination

Along with Clint Murchison, Jr., who I believe was an even more active player than Hunt.

Covered up by High Government/Military officals

A readily proven historical fact.

Pulled off by trusted marksman/hunters (associates of the Hunt family, close enough to control)

Likely.

You see the Oil Depletion Tax that JFK was going to ditch was worth millions to HL Hunt and his other Oil buddies.

I find this motive over-stated. Clint Murchison Jr. was up to his eyeballs in Outfit organized-crime connections and I think their ultimate interest was a restoration of Havana as a center for international narcotics trafficking. This was an interest shared with their sometime-competitors/sometime-collaborators the Harriman/Bush blue-blood elite.

At that time the world heroin market was divided between the Corsican Mafia who produced it and the Sicilian-American Outfit who distributed it. The Americans wanted to replace the old Turkey-to-Marseilles "French Connection" with a Laos-to-Havana heroin pipeline, in which Texas oil interests would have a piece of the cake.

Or so I speculate.

This is where LBJ fits into the plot with the power to help with the cover up, but not directly involved with the assassination.

Agreed.

Clay Shaw is involved to help find the Patsy

I suspect Shaw was more Patsy than Perp.

Others like Joseph Milteer give money and support to Hunt

I could go on and on about the shot scenario and how I believe others are involved but it would take hours.

This is my opinion, if you have any questions Robert please ask, I will answer when I have time

Hey Dean -- 2010 World Series Champion San Francisco Giants!!

Its so nice to find out when you agree with someone on most of the main points of the assassination

And if I died tomorrow my life would be complete now that my boys have won the World Series!

World Champs!

[Terry Mauro]

Dean,

Never mind that professional sports are the personal playground of organized crime. Even the notorious Lurie family and the Giants. And let's not forget the "Jacobs" family mob and Emprise "aka" Delaware North Companies have secured the majority of concession contracts at MLB and NFL games to help them launder dirty money.

Who needs to get Havana back in the fold? Between all the hot money in major league sports they don't need Cuba. All they need are "fans" who never ask any questions as long as they're being entertained by "my team".

But what you're watching when you watch these games is "organized crime". It doesnt matter be it the NFL, NBA, MLB, NHL or the PGA Tour it's all there to dumb down the population while laundering multi millions in drug proceeds.

Remember Meyer Lansky's INTERTEL? Their first client was the NFL. They are still the NFL's private security firm. The next time you read about an NFL star getting busted for drugs just think of INTERTEL.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Rec/rec.gambling.poker/2006-01/msg01757.html

Ed Levinson, "owner" of the Fremont, also had ties with the Chicago

mob family: "In 1962 Bobby Baker had had established the

Serve-U-Corporation with his friend, Fred Black, and mobsters Ed

Levenson and Benny Sigelbaum. The company was to provide vending

machines for companies working on federally granted programs. The

machines were manufactured by a company secretly owned by Sam Giancana

and other mobsters based in Chicago." From Nonmenclature of an

Assassination Cabal]

["Baker called Intercontinental's chairman and arranged an appointment

to see him, but on the day of the appointment, Baker showed up with

mobster Ed Levison, brother to the infamous Louis "Sleep-Out Louie"

Levenson, who was the original manager of Meyer Lansky's casino, the

Havana Riviera in Cuba, and was now running the Fremont in Las Vegas

which was secretly owned by Tony Accardo, Sam Giancana and Paul Ricca.

It was also at Accardo's request that Levenson managed to get then

Senator Lyndon Johnson and Baker as his first official guests at the

opening of the Stardust casino back in 1955." John William Tuohy 2002]

It was the ties with the Chicago mob that secured Levinson's contract

for the Fremont Hotel, a property that Benny Binion was planning to

develop. The loan was channeled through a legitimate backer, Lou Lurie,

to mask the hidden mob involvement. Binion had offered Jack Dragna (LA

mob representative) 25 points in the Fremont in exchange for putting a

hit on Russain Louie, who was blackmailing Binion. After the hit,

Dragna settled with Binion for a reported sum of $200,000 but did not

tell Jimmy Fratianno who made the hit on Russian Louie. Here's the

account From The Last Mafioso:

[benny Binion promised LA mobster Jack Dragna at 25% interest in the

proposed Fremont Hotel in exchange for killing Russian Louie, a card

cheat that was blackmailing Binion.

Jimmy Fratianno later went to Binion to collect. "You know I'm the guy

that did the xxxxing job on Russian Louie, don't you?"

"Yes, I know it," replied Binion.

"So how come I don't get no money?"

"How much do you need?"

"I want sixty thousand."

"You've got it Jimmy," said Binion. "Give me a couple days to get it

together."

"That's number one. Number two, we was supposed to get twenty-five

percent of that Fremont joint. What happened to that deal?"

"Jimmy don't you know what happened? Jack (Dragna) wanted cash instead

[Cliff Varnell]

Dean,

Never mind that professional sports are the personal playground of organized crime. Even the notorious Lurie family and the Giants.

Lurie sold the team 18 years ago. I guess you missed it.

And let's not forget the "Jacobs" family mob and Emprise "aka" Delaware North Companies have secured the majority of concession contracts at MLB and NFL games to help them launder dirty money.

Given the level of corruption among global corporate elites you'd have to live like the Amish not to engage the filthy bastards one way or another.

Do you drive a car, Terry? Watch TV? Eat foods produced by major corporations?

Do people who don't live according to your puritanical standards offend you?

Who needs to get Havana back in the fold?

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Between all the hot money in major league sports they don't need Cuba.

You don't understand the heroin market and its importance to the elites. Not only is it a source of untraceable black money but it is a means to cull the human herd. The Jupiter Island Gang of blue-blood elites (Rockefeller/Harriman/Bush) have always been big on eugenics, which is one reason they financed the Nazis in the 20s, 30s and early 40s. After WW2 they moved heroin into black communities, a pattern repeated in the 80's with cocaine.

This is a holocaust by another means, and the prime motivation for wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

All they need are "fans" who never ask any questions as long as they're being entertained by "my team".

Unless you live on a self-sustaining farm and never consume petroleum products your self-righteousness is misplaced.

Heaven forbid anyone should have fun in their lives!

Go Giants.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Terry Mauro]

Dean,

Never mind that professional sports are the personal playground of organized crime. Even the notorious Lurie family and the Giants.

Lurie sold the team 18 years ago. I guess you missed it.

And let's not forget the "Jacobs" family mob and Emprise "aka" Delaware North Companies have secured the majority of concession contracts at MLB and NFL games to help them launder dirty money.

Given the level of corruption among global corporate elites you'd have to live like the Amish not to engage the filthy bastards one way or another.

Do you drive a car, Terry? Watch TV? Eat foods produced by major corporations?

Do people who don't live according to your puritanical standards offend you?

Who needs to get Havana back in the fold?

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Between all the hot money in major league sports they don't need Cuba.

You don't understand the heroin market and its importance to the elites. Not only is it a source of untraceable black money but it is a means to cull the human herd. The Jupiter Island Gang of blue-blood elites (Rockefeller/Harriman/Bush) have always been big on eugenics, which is one reason they financed the Nazis in the 20s, 30s and early 40s. After WW2 they moved heroin into black communities, a pattern repeated in the 80's with cocaine.

This is a holocaust by another means, and the prime motivation for wars in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

All they need are "fans" who never ask any questions as long as they're being entertained by "my team".

Unless you live on a self-sustaining farm and never consume petroleum products your self-righteousness is misplaced.

Heaven forbid anyone should have fun in their lives!

Go Giants.

Exactly what did I write that wasnt true? That it offends you is not the issue.

Your rebuttal is straight out of the "devil made me do it" hand book.

Now you're comparing food production, transportation, and energy to hollywood "entertainment "? You tie them together with your "global elite" BS. Food, energy, and transportation systems are instrumental to sustain life or to improve life. Entertainment? What, watching a bunch of guys grunt and snort and beat their chest is that what you call "entertainment"?

And I fail to see why the sale date of the SF Giants has anything to do with it. The grandson of late Max Fisher of the notorious Purple Gang is the latest owner of the Miami Dolphins. "Go Dolphins"!!!! So what is your point?

And the following is total fantasy. Another indication that you prefer being entertained.

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Episode #33 from "As the Conspiracy Turns".

For your information chum Fidel Castro for years provided a safe haven in Cuba for Lansky successor, the notorious fugitive Robert Vesco. For years that old Synarchist Fidel Castro has been a major player in international drug trafficking. Furthermore narcotic trafficking and money laundering has never been bigger, which was the point of my post to Dean.

All pro sports teams are owned by organized crime. They help dumb down the population while spreading vice like gambling, drugs and other pyschosis.

And that's entertainment!

[Cliff Varnell]

Exactly what did I write that wasnt true? That it offends you is not the issue.

Your rebuttal is straight out of the "devil made me do it" hand book.

Now you're comparing food production, transportation, and energy to hollywood "entertainment "? You tie them together with your "global elite" BS. Food, energy, and transportation systems are instrumental to sustain life or to improve life. Entertainment? What, watching a bunch of guys grunt and snort and beat their chest is that what you call "entertainment"?

Yes Terry, entertainment is important to help sustain and improve life.

You cannot name a human culture that doesn't produce entertainment.

The day you no longer indulge in the products of the corporate elite is the day you can lecture others.

And the following is total fantasy. Another indication that you prefer being entertained.

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Episode #33 from "As the Conspiracy Turns".

For your information chum Fidel Castro for years provided a safe haven in Cuba for Lansky successor, the notorious fugitive Robert Vesco. For years that old Synarchist Fidel Castro has been a major player in international drug trafficking.

That depends on how you define "major."

Havana ceased being THE hub of international narcotics trafficking the day Castro marched into Havana. Meyer Lansky had to move his operations to the Bahamas, and the Dominican Republic and Haiti became FAR GREATER hubs of drug trafficking than Cuba under Fidel.

Furthermore narcotic trafficking and money laundering has never been bigger, which was the point of my post to Dean.

And Cuba is a bit player in that, Terry. Which is my point.

All pro sports teams are owned by organized crime. They help dumb down the population while spreading vice like gambling, drugs and other pyschosis.

And that's entertainment!

Nothing dumbs a person down more than identifying with a rigid, self-righteous ideology.

At least I don't take my Giants team anywhere near as seriously as you take Team LaRouche.

Edited November 7, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[John Dolva]

Cliff you astound me. you're really on the ball on just about everything. However I'd seriously look at the notion that Cuba has become even less than any sort of hub (except for an idea) and shift to the Contra attempt to reestablish the regime akin to that of Somoza in Nicaragua.

[Terry Mauro]

Exactly what did I write that wasnt true? That it offends you is not the issue.

Your rebuttal is straight out of the "devil made me do it" hand book.

Now you're comparing food production, transportation, and energy to hollywood "entertainment "? You tie them together with your "global elite" BS. Food, energy, and transportation systems are instrumental to sustain life or to improve life. Entertainment? What, watching a bunch of guys grunt and snort and beat their chest is that what you call "entertainment"?

Yes Terry, entertainment is important to help sustain and improve life.

You cannot name a human culture that doesn't produce entertainment.

The day you no longer indulge in the products of the corporate elite is the day you can lecture others.

And the following is total fantasy. Another indication that you prefer being entertained.

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Episode #33 from "As the Conspiracy Turns".

For your information chum Fidel Castro for years provided a safe haven in Cuba for Lansky successor, the notorious fugitive Robert Vesco. For years that old Synarchist Fidel Castro has been a major player in international drug trafficking.

That depends on how you define "major."

Havana ceased being THE hub of international narcotics trafficking the day Castro marched into Havana. Meyer Lansky had to move his operations to the Bahamas, and the Dominican Republic and Haiti became FAR GREATER hubs of drug trafficking than Cuba under Fidel.

Furthermore narcotic trafficking and money laundering has never been bigger, which was the point of my post to Dean.

And Cuba is a bit player in that, Terry. Which is my point.

All pro sports teams are owned by organized crime. They help dumb down the population while spreading vice like gambling, drugs and other pyschosis.

And that's entertainment!

Nothing dumbs a person down more than identifying with a rigid, self-righteous ideology.

At least I don't take my Giants team anywhere near as seriously as you take Team LaRouche.

Rigid self righteous ideology? Translation, "a person who asserts there is a knowable truth".

You never answered "what did I write that wasnt true"?

And now I have to stop eating, heating/cooling my home, walking to work? You're just slightly daffy. I thought this nonsense went out with Jimmy Carter? I would dare say that shutting down the NFL, MLB etc. and the criminal apparatus behind them would not cause loss of life. In fact every human mind in this country would experience immediate improvement.

Cut out food production, industry, infrastructure and you'll get what is happening in Haiti right now. Genocide.

The Roman Empire produced "entertainment" and look what happened That's the kind of entertainment we are producing.

[Bill Charleston]

I encourage you guys to engage with this joker

I have had exchanges with S V Anderson many times on Amazon. My favorite one was when we were talking about the Parkland witnesses and of course it is common knowledge that NO ONE, not one, nobody saw a head wound at the top right front of JFK's head like the Zapruder film and the autopsy photographs show.

I mentioned Dr Perry said the same thing and he said he'd like to see Dr Perry say that. I believe it is common knowledge that Dr Perry's interview after the assassination disappeared. He didn't reply after Perry clearly says "massive wound in right posterior area."

DR PERRY

[John Dolva]

That's right Cliff.My mum (who lived through the war in Finland) just recently told me that what she is seeing on the media she experiences a flavour that reminds her today of the days when Goebblerism was at its highest and the spectacular monolithic visions, static and mobile, that Albert Speer and others introduced. A kind of Funkis that pretty much dominated much of western cultural expression.

[Cliff Varnell]

Exactly what did I write that wasnt true? That it offends you is not the issue.

Your rebuttal is straight out of the "devil made me do it" hand book.

Now you're comparing food production, transportation, and energy to hollywood "entertainment "? You tie them together with your "global elite" BS. Food, energy, and transportation systems are instrumental to sustain life or to improve life. Entertainment? What, watching a bunch of guys grunt and snort and beat their chest is that what you call "entertainment"?

Yes Terry, entertainment is important to help sustain and improve life.

You cannot name a human culture that doesn't produce entertainment.

The day you no longer indulge in the products of the corporate elite is the day you can lecture others.

And the following is total fantasy. Another indication that you prefer being entertained.

In 1963 W. Averell Harriman, Clint Murchison, Jr. and Meyer Lanksy wanted to restore Havana as the center for international narcotics trafficking, a position it held in the 50's before Castro took over. I'd speculate that the assassination of JFK was designed to provide a pre-text for the invasion of Cuba to affect that end.

Episode #33 from "As the Conspiracy Turns".

For your information chum Fidel Castro for years provided a safe haven in Cuba for Lansky successor, the notorious fugitive Robert Vesco. For years that old Synarchist Fidel Castro has been a major player in international drug trafficking.

That depends on how you define "major."

Havana ceased being THE hub of international narcotics trafficking the day Castro marched into Havana. Meyer Lansky had to move his operations to the Bahamas, and the Dominican Republic and Haiti became FAR GREATER hubs of drug trafficking than Cuba under Fidel.

Furthermore narcotic trafficking and money laundering has never been bigger, which was the point of my post to Dean.

And Cuba is a bit player in that, Terry. Which is my point.

All pro sports teams are owned by organized crime. They help dumb down the population while spreading vice like gambling, drugs and other pyschosis.

And that's entertainment!

Nothing dumbs a person down more than identifying with a rigid, self-righteous ideology.

At least I don't take my Giants team anywhere near as seriously as you take Team LaRouche.

Rigid self righteous ideology? Translation, "a person who asserts there is a knowable truth".

Your attitude toward music and sports is an opinion, not a "truth." Thanks for illustrating my points about the dumbing down effects of rigid ideologies.

You never answered "what did I write that wasnt true"?

It's your self-righteousness that is misplaced.

And now I have to stop eating, heating/cooling my home, walking to work?

Only if you want to lecture others about their consumer habits.

You're just slightly daffy. I thought this nonsense went out with Jimmy Carter? I would dare say that shutting down the NFL, MLB etc. and the criminal apparatus behind them would not cause loss of life. In fact every human mind in this country would experience immediate improvement.

Shutting down every recreational and entertainment company in this country would leave our lives the poorer. People with lighter hearts live longer than those dour souls who find nothing but disapproval in the enjoyments of others.

What is it, Terry, about people having fun that you hate so much?

Cut out food production, industry, infrastructure and you'll get what is happening in Haiti right now. Genocide.

The Roman Empire produced "entertainment" and look what happened That's the kind of entertainment we are producing.

I'm an Oakland Raiders fan. Dean is a Kansas City Chiefs fan. I hate the Chiefs. Dean hates the Raiders. The two teams play today. Dean and I are going to enjoy the game and no matter who wins Dean and I will remain friends.

And you equate this with lions eating Christians...how?

Edited November 7, 2010 by Cliff Varnell

[Cliff Varnell]

That's right Cliff.My mum (who lived through the war in Finland) just recently told me that what she is seeing on the media she experiences a flavour that reminds her today of the days when Goebblerism was at its highest and the spectacular monolithic visions, static and mobile, that Albert Speer and others introduced. A kind of Funkis that pretty much dominated much of western cultural expression.

My advice is to lighten up, John.

You'll live longer if you do.

[John Dolva]

lol, sounds like good advice. Will that stop the suffering of billions though. I don't have much so I can't make much of a change.

[Cliff Varnell]

lol, sounds like good advice. Will that stop the suffering of billions though. I don't have much so I can't make much of a change.

A lot of us here in San Francisco are struggling. I haven't been employed in over 3 and a half years. I had some medical issues that kept me from working, and by the time I resolved those there was no work to be had in my profession.

And yet when the Giants won the World Series earlier this week all the gloom departed and my heart sang. Does that solve the problems of the world or my own difficulties? No, but the joy that pulsed through this town this week cannot be negated by the dismissive dispositions of Eeyores.