Jim Phelps Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) For Discussion: "The CIA Deep Throat on JFK assassination" It appears there is always someone that has told or leaked on any big Govt corruption plan, and examples have been "The Pentagon Papers", and the "Deep Throat" on the Nixon DNC Watergate Tower "Plumer's" problems. I actually knew who "Deep Throat" was for about a year before he came out and told his story. A retired FBI agent friend had pretty much put it together that the only person that would be leaking was Mark Felt. Seeming his nickname came from being close to the Hoover Gay issues in the top FBI office. It appears we did have a major leak from the CIA about an operation to get shed of JFK, because JFK was leaking state secrets on his backwater channels to the Soviets. This made JFK out to be a traitor to the CIA types, and they told all the Joint Chiefs, Hoover, and the CIA network. It appears the Soviets were perhaps more trustable to the man seeking Peace than this Joint Chiefs and the CIA. RFK also passed messages to the Soviets about JFK death. The book that speaks to this is titled "Regicide" by Greg Douglas: http://www.amazon.com/Regicide-Official-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/1591482976 The CIA JFK Assassination leaker was "Bob Crawley" and the idea to off JFK was called "Operation Zipper" after JFK's and RFK's sexual exploits that involved everything from Mary Meyer, Marilyn Monroe, White House Swimming buddies "Fiddle" and "Faddle", and Mafia gal Judyth Exner. JFK used Exer as a back channel conduit to the Mafia. Mary Meyer appeared to hook up JFK with CIA drug channels. We certainly know from E. Howard Hunt that William King Harvey planned the JFK assassination using the Rome connections. William King Harvey was a James Bond like character for the CIA. He used the Rome and old Hungarian Jesuit connections with Nagy, George Mantello, and Rabbi Tibor Rosenbaum to set up the high command that worked the project to kills JFK. All these people hook up with BCI and PERMINDEX and the American side was Morty Bloomfield and the Montreal Mafia associates and Clay Shaw in New Orleans. It appears other Catholics became curious about JFK's death and found the information connecting the CIA to setting up a plot to kill JFK as valid and they offer a book summary here: http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/fidelis_et_verus85.htm All worth consideration, as we zero in on the magnitude of the plot to hit JFK and cover up the matter by blaming it on another CIA leaker named Lee Oswald, who leaked to the FBI as a paid informant. ==== So, today we know of many ways that LHO was informing to the FBI on the JFK hit, and one of the more interesting ways that we know LHO knew about the JFK assassiantion plot comes from Oak Ridge Tennessee and its Atomic Museum's Guest Registry. Lee Oswald came to Oak Ridge as part of the CIA project to kill Castro with cancer that was being run out of New Orleans with people like David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, Alton Oschner, Mary Sherman, and Judyth Baker. This little evidence sticker tells us Lee Oswald intended to leave the FBI a message that he was in Oak Ridge on July 26, 1963, and what he learned about Dallas, Texas from his visit to Oak Ridge. This was the same day that JFK announced the Atomic Test Ban that made Oak Ridge extremely unhappy. See: In this Registry Lee Oswald signs in as being from Russia, which sets off the FBI checking what is going on. And he signs in as being from Dallas, Tx. and a Dallas Rd. as a sort of Dead Drop message to the FBI that he was in Oak Ridge and that marked what he had learned on his visit. Lee Oswald was working on a special little CIA plot to off Castro with radiation and cancer virus methods and the work up for these activities is cover by excellent books by Judyth Baker and Ed Haslam, who both have detailed these activities for history. See: http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monkey-Cancer-Causing-Assassination/dp/0977795306 and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0979988675/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0977795306&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0VQJNP56VN8XXGWM3D6J So, I think we can see that Oak Ridge was in on the plot to kill Castro very early on, via their expertise on radition health effects and how the radiation damage to the immune system allows a cancer virus to kill the target, in this case Castro with lung cancer. ===== There is just a modest amount of checking for other person's memories of that day and that visit. This is one: http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2010/10/lee-h-oswald-at-atomic-energy-museum.html =============== All the Likely Suspects "First they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win." Standard progression for exposing the real Crooks in the JFK assassination. Just look for the most attacked books and you find the truth, then you win. All the likely suspects, well most all of them, for the marginally competent citizen's enlightenments: http://www.rense.com/general89/isrole.htm AT PERMINDEX Clay Shaw - If New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison had been permitted to carry out an unimpeded investigation and prosecution of Shaw, a CIA contract operative and a former director of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans implicated in involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Guy Banister and other figures central to the JFK assassination conspiracy, Garrison would have divined Shaw's connections - through a shadowy corporation known as Permindex - to not only the Israeli Mossad, but also the international crime syndicate of Israeli loyalist Meyer Lansky. Louis M. Bloomfield - Based in Montreal, Bloomfield was a long-time intelligence operative and a front man for the powerful Bronfman family interests. The Bronfmans were not only key international backers of Israel but also long-time figures in the Lansky crime syndicate. Bloomfield, one of the foremost figures in the Israeli lobby in Canada and one of Israel's leading international operatives, not only served as the chief shareholder in the Permindex Corporation on whose board of directors Clay Shaw served, but also had intimate ties to American intelligence. Tibor Rosenbaum - One of the "godfathers" of the state of Israel and the first director for finance and supply for Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, Rosenbaum was a prime financial angel behind the Permindex corporation. His Swiss banking concern, the Banque De Credit International, also served as the chief European money laundry or the global crime syndicate of Miami-based crime chief Meyer Lansky. John King - A close business associate of Tibor Rosenbaum's protégé and sometime front man, Bernard Cornfeld, King showed up in New Orleans in the early stages of Jim Garrison's investigation-before Clay Shaw's name had come up-and sought to persuade Garrison (through a bribery attempt) to give up the inquiry. Fortunately he failed in his scheme. THE MOSSAD CONNECTION David Ben-Gurion - Prime Minister of Israel; resigned his post in disgust with JFK's stance toward Israel. in April of 1963; Said JFK's position threatened Israel's very survival. Yitzhak Shamir - A long-time Mossad officer (based largely at the Mossad's chief European office in Paris), Shamir headed the Mossad's assassination squad at the time of the JFK assassination. A former French intelligence officer has charged that Shamir himself arranged the hiring of JFK's actual assassins through a close ally in French intelligence. Menachem Begin - In 1963, Begin (later prime minister of Israel) was a roving Israeli diplomat; prior to JFK's assassination he was overheard conspiring with Meyer Lansky's California henchman, Mickey Cohen, in a conversation that suggested hostile intentions by Israel against the American president. Luis Kutner - Although known largely as a "mob lawyer," (who was long and closely associated with Jack Ruby, a sometime-client) Kutner also doubled as an international intelligence operative and functioned as an advisor to an ad hoc pro-Israel lobby group in the United States. A. L. Botnick - Head of the New Orleans office of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, an intelligence and propaganda arm for Israel's Mossad; a close associate of New Orleans-based CIA contract operative Guy Banister who helped create Lee Harvey Oswald's preassassination profile as a "pro-Castro" agitator. Evidence suggests that Banister's manipulation of Oswald may have been carried out under the guise of an ADL "fact-finding" operation. Arnon Milchan - Israel's biggest arms dealer, Milchan was "executive producer" (i.e. chief financial angel) of Oliver Stone's Hollywood fantasy about the JFK assassination-a fact which may explain Stone's aversion to exploring the Israeli connection to the affair. Maurice Tempeisman - The international diamond merchant and Mossad operative who became the lover of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and used his connections to double-perhaps triple-her substantial fortune, thereby co-opting the Kennedy family forever. THE CIA CONNECTION Rudolph Hecht - An owner of the CIA-linked Standard Fruit concern, Hecht was a prominent figure in the New Orleans Jewish community and as chairman of the board of directors of the International Trade Mart was Permindex board member Clay Shaw's primary sponsor. James Jesus Angleton - Angleton, the CIA's long-time chief of counterintelligence, was the CIA's primary high-level conspirator in the murder of President Kennedy and the subsequent cover-up. Angleton, who had been co-opted by and was totally loyal to the Israeli Mossad, played a major role in the effort to frame Lee Harvey Oswald. Final Judgment is the first JFK assassination study to delve into Angleton's role in the conspiracy. David Atlee Phillips - A long-time high-level CIA official, Phillips was the CIA station chief in Mexico City at the time a strange effort was underway to implicate Lee Harvey Oswald as a Soviet KGB collaborator. If anyone in the CIA knew the truth about Oswald, it was Phillips. He confessed publicly that the story about Oswald being in Mexico City was not precisely what the CIA had long claimed. E. Howard Hunt - Long-time CIA officer and liaison to the anti-Castro Cuban exiles. Testimony by ex-CIA contract operative Marita Lorenz placed Hunt in Dallas, Texas the day before the president's assassination. The full truth about Hunt's actual involvement in the affair may never be known, but there is no question that Hunt was deeply involved in the intrigue surrounding the president's murder. Evidence does indeed indicate that there was a conscious effort to frame Hunt for involvement in the crime. Guy Banister -The former FBI agent-turned-CIA contract operative whose New Orleans office was a central point for international intrigue involving the CIA, the anti-Castro Cuban exiles and the anti-DeGaulle forces in the French Secret Army Organization (OAS). Under Banister's direction, Lee Harvey Oswald established a public profile for himself as a "pro-Castro" agitator in the streets of New Orleans. David Ferrie - An enigmatic adventurer and CIA contract operative, Ferrie was closely involved with Lee Harvey Oswald during Oswald's stay in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, working alongside Oswald out of Banister's headquarters. The investigation of Ferrie by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison ultimately led to Garrison's discovery of Permindex board member Clay Shaw's ties to both Ferrie and Oswald. Marita Lorenz - A former CIA contract operative, she testified under oath that one day prior to the assassination of President Kennedy she arrived in Dallas in an armed caravan of CIA-backed Cuban exiles who were met by not only Jack Ruby, who later killed Lee Harvey Oswald, but also CIA official E. Howard Hunt. Guillermo & Ignacio Novo - Two brothers, veterans of the CIA-backed Cuban exile wars against Fidel Castro. According to Marita Lorenz, the Novo brothers were part of the armed caravan that arrived in Dallas one day before the assassination of President Kennedy. Many years after Dallas, the Novos were later convicted of participating in the murder of a Chilean dissident in collaboration with international adventurer Michael Townley who himself had ties to high-level figures implicated in the JFK conspiracy. John Tower - In 1963 Tower was a newly-elected Republican U.S. Senator from Texas with close ties to the CIA. Shortly after the assassination he told associates of his own inside knowledge of the bizarre story of what really happened in Dealey Plaza. The story told by Tower suggests strongly that there were many unseen forces at work, manipulating many of the key players in the JFK assassination conspiracy. It was not until the release of Final Judgment that Tower's name was ever connected to the mystery surrounding the JFK assassination. Victor Marchetti - A high-ranking CIA official who left the agency in disgust, Marchetti later made a career writing about the CIA. In a 1978 article he charged that the CIA was about to frame its long-time operative, E. Howard Hunt, with involvement in the JFK assassination. A libel suit resulting as a consequence of Marchetti's article resulted in a climactic finding by a jury that the CIA had been involved in the assassination of the president. Robin Moore - A journalist with long-standing close ties to the CIA, Moore co-authored former CIA man Hugh McDonald's book, LBJ and the JFK Conspiracy which promoted James Jesus Angleton's false claim that the KGB was behind the president's murder-another of the disinformation stories that emerged following the assassination. THE LANSKY SYNDICATE Meyer Lansky - Chief executive officer and de facto "treasurer" of the international crime syndicate; active in gun-running on behalf of the Israeli underground; collaborated closely with American intelligence on a number of fronts; later settled in Israel. Researchers who have claimed that "the Mafia Killed JFK" have pointedly refused to acknowledge Lansky's preeminent positioning in the underworld. Carlos Marcello - The head of the Mafia in New Orleans, Marcello owed his status to Meyer Lansky who was his chief sponsor in the crime syndicate. Marcello could not have orchestrated the JFK assassination-as some suggest-without Lansky's explicit approval. Seymour Weiss - Meyer Lansky's chief bagman and liaison with the political establishment in Louisiana, he later served as a director of the CIA-linked Standard Fruit company and may actually have been a high-ranking CIA contract operative in New Orleans at the time of the JFK assassination. Sam Giancana - The Mafia boss of Chicago, Giancana was a player in the CIA-Mafia plots against Castro; later murdered, probably at the behest of Santo Trafficante, Jr. His family says that Giancana admitted having been involved in the planning of the JFK assassination. Santo Trafficante, Jr. - Although best known as the head of the Mafia in Tampa, Trafficante actually functioned as Meyer Lansky's chief lieutenant in the crime syndicate and as Lansky's liaison with the CIA in the Castro assassination plots. Johnny Rosselli - A roving "ambassador" for the Mafia, Rosselli was the primary conduit between the CIA and the mob in the plots against Fidel Castro; may have arranged the murder of Sam Giancana for Trafficante and was later murdered himself. Mickey Cohen - Meyer Lansky's West Coast henchman; Jack Ruby's role model and a gun-runner for the Israeli underground, Cohen collaborated closely with Israeli diplomat Menachem Begin prior to the JFK assassination;. Cohen arranged for John F. Kennedy to meet actress Marilyn Monroe who was assigned the task of finding out JFK's private views and intentions toward Israel. Jack Ruby - A long-time functionary for the Lansky syndicate, Ruby was the Lansky connection man in Dallas and also engaged in CIA-linked gunrunning to the anti-Castro Cuban exiles. Evidence suggests there is more to Ruby's sudden "death" than meets the eye. Jim Braden - A veteran personal courier for Meyer Lansky, Braden was almost assuredly in contact in Dallas with Jack Ruby prior to the JFK assassination. He was briefly detained in Dealey Plaza minutes after the president's murder, but those JFK assassination researchers who have mentioned Braden prefer to cast him as a "Mafia" figure rather than as Lansky's man on the scene in Dallas. Al Gruber - A henchman of Meyer Lansky's West Coast operative, Mickey Cohen, Gruber and Ruby spoke by telephone just shortly before Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald. It is believed that Gruber gave Ruby the contract on Oswald on behalf of his superiors. THE FRENCH CONNECTION Charles DeGaulle - Repeatedly targeted for assassination by Israeli-allied forces in French intelligence and in the Secret Army Organization (OAS) who were angry that DeGaulle had granted independence to Arab Algeria. The Mossad-sponsored Permindex operation that also had a hand in the murder of JFK, laundered money used in the assassination attempts on DeGaulle. Georges deLannurien - High ranking official in the SDECE, the French intelligence agency; pinpointed by a former French intelligence officer as the individual who (at the best of Mossad assassinations chief Yitzhak Shamir) contracted the hit team who killed JFK in Dallas. Michael Mertz - A former French SDECE officer and the Paris connection for the Lansky-Trafficante heroin syndicate; alleged to have been one of the actual gunmen in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Said by some to be the legendary CIA contract killer, QJ/WIN. Jean Soutre - A liaison for the French OAS with the CIA's E. Howard Hunt, Soutre maintained contact with Guy Banister's CIA- and mob-linked gun-running headquarters in New Orleans. Soutre may have been in Dallas at the time of the JFK assassination. There is evidence linking Soutre to James Jesus Angleton's intrigue inside the CIA that affected French intelligence in a dramatic way. Thomas Eli Davis III - A world-traveling mercenary with apparent links to both Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald, Davis was taken into custody by the Algerian government for his subversive activities alongside Israeli agents in supplying weapons to the French OAS just prior to the JFK assassination. It is said that CIA operative QJJWIN (possibly Michael Mertz, one of the reputed assassins of President Kennedy) helped secure Davis's release from prison. Geoffrey Bocca - A former propagandist for the OAS, Bocca later co-authored former CIA contract agent Hugh McDonald's book, Appointment in Dallas, which pointed the blame for the JFK assassination away from those who were actually responsible-the first of two suspect books put out by McDonald. Christian David - A French Corsican criminal associated with reputed JFK assassin Michael Mertz, David has claimed knowledge of a French hit team involved in the JFK assassination. David himself was the chief suspect in the murder of a Moroccan dissident, Mehdi Ben-Barka, whose killing was orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad through anti-DeGaulle forces in French intelligence. TRUTH SEEKERS Mark Lane - Retained by Lee Harvey Oswald's mother to represent her son's interests before the Warren Commission, Lane's book Rush to Judgment was the first major critique of the Warren Commission Report. In a libel suit filed against The Spotlight newspaper by former CIA operative E. Howard Hunt, Lane proved to the satisfaction of a jury that the CIA had indeed been involved in the JFK assassination. His best-selling book Plausible Denial outlined the circumstances of that libel suit and its ultimate conclusion. Gary Wean - A former detective on the Hollywood beat of the Los Angeles Police Department, Wean discovered how Meyer Lansky's West Coast henchman, Mickey Cohen, was conspiring against John F. Kennedy on behalf of the Israelis. In a meeting with the former sheriff of Dallas County, Bill Decker, Wean learned a portion of the truth about what really happened in Dallas. NEWS TWISTERS Edgar & Edith Stern - Close friends of Clay Shaw, major financial backers of the pro-Israel Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, and owners of the WDSU media empire in New Orleans that not only played a major role in giving vast publicity to Lee Harvey Oswald's preassassination profile as a "pro-Castro agitator" but later sought to undermine Jim Garrison's investigation of Clay Shaw. Johann Rush - As a young WDSU cameraman, Rush was on the scene to record Oswald's "pro-Castro" activities. He emerged-many years later-as the brains behind a "computer-enhanced" version of the famous Zapruder film of the JFK assassination that author Gerald Posner cited as "proof' that Oswald acted alone in the president's murder. Drew Pearson - Accused by his own mother-in-law of being a "mouthpiece" for the pro-Israel ADL, Pearson had close ties to not only the Israeli lobby, but also the CIA and to President Lyndon Johnson and his cronies. It was Pearson who floated an unlikely story that Fidel Castro was behind the JFK assassination and who also played a major influence in shaping Earl Warren's perceptions of the tragedy. Jack Anderson - As protégé of Drew Pearson, Jack Anderson likewise had strange connections that might have biased his own reportage on the JFK affair. Since 1963 Anderson has promoted a number of conflicting versions about "who really killed JFK" ranging from "the Mafia" to Fidel Castro or a combination of both. Jack Newfield - A liberal columnist and some-time JFK assassination buff, Newfield has been a likewise long-standing devotee of Israel. He made a big splash with a highly fantastic story that missing Teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa had "ordered" two Mafia figures to arrange the killing of President Kennedy. Not surprisingly, Newfield's ridiculous story was given wide play in the Establishment media. THEORISTS AND/OR PROPAGANDISTS? Oliver Stone - His Hollywood extravaganza, JFK, gave the public a fullblown, full-color, gory-in-every-detail conspiracy theory on the JFK assassination. Yet, Stone's presentation of the conspiracy was far from complete and failed to reach any firm conclusions. He deliberately suppressed the "French connection" which, in turn, was the long-hidden Israeli connection. Not only was Stone's chief financial backer Israel's leading arms dealer but also his film distribution company had its origins in the Lansky crime syndicate. What's more, one of the chief shareholders in the film company was none other than Bernard Cornfeld, long-time associate of Permindex figure Tibor Rosenbaum Frank Mankiewicz - This former publicist for the Israeli Mossad-linked Anti-Defamation League had a peculiar part in the events that took place prior to the murder of Robert F. Kennedy. Then when Oliver Stone began promoting his film JFK, Mankiewicz popped up as his key public relations man. Anthony Summers - Author of one book hinting that the Kennedy family were responsible for the death-maybe the murder-of actress Marilyn Monroe, Summers wrote another book on the JFK conspiracy. In neither book did Summers reveal explosive information (of which he was aware) that could have helped point the direction of those same forces which played a part in both crimes. Robert Morrow - A former CIA contract operative who played a major role in activities on the periphery of the JFK assassination conspiracy, Morrow's book on his experiences is rife with detail, yet suspect in the eyes of many who had looked into his claims. Morrow's book absolves the key CIA conspirator, James J. Angleton, of involvement in the JFK conspiracy and portrays him as being "out of the loop" when, in fact, precisely the opposite was true. Is it a coincidence that Morrow's book publisher is an American affiliate of an Israeli publishing company? G. Robert Blakey - An unlikely choice to serve as director of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey had, just two years previously, served as a character witness for a long-time close associate of crime boss Meyer Lansky. When it came time to point the blame in the JFK assassination, Blakey targeted Lansky's protégé, New Orleans Mafia boss, Carlos Marcello, but looked no further. Blakey, likewise, found no role by the CIA-or any other intelligence agency-in the JFK assassination. David Scheim - The author of a book that pins the murder of President Kennedy on "the Mafia," Scheim refuses to acknowledge Permindex board member Clay Shaw's intelligence connections and paints Israeli loyalist Meyer Lansky as a low-level syndicate figure with no influence of substance. Scheim's book was published by the American front for an Israeli publishing company. Richard Billings - A journalist with close ties to the CIA, Billings played a major role in the media's campaign to undermine New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's investigation of Clay Shaw. Billings emerged as the prime promoter of the outlandish theory that Garrison was a Mafia front man trying to take the focus off the Mafia and direct the attention toward the intelligence community. James DiEugenio - Although a deep admirer of both John F. Kennedy and New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, DiEugenio has tread lightly when inquiring into the ties between Clay Shaw and the Permindex operation with its multiple links to the Israeli Mossad and the crime syndicate. Peter Dale Scott - His years of in-depth research on the JFK assassination have led him directly to the doorstep of the CIA, the Mossad and the Lansky Crime Syndicate, yet he has never been prepared to name names or point in the direction of those very forces, preferring to sidestep the issue. ================== This is pretty good list for the players in the JFK hit and cover up. He left off a few of the essentials like "George Mandel" aka "Mantello". But he gets "Bloomfield" and "Rosenbaum". These three are the "Godfathers" for Israel's very existance. They are the upper eschelon for the JFK hit, this was the JFK hit "High Command". This list leaves off "William King Harvey", as he is right in the middle of these three as US Rome CIA associations. But from this group you find the PERMINDEX and the BCI money laundry methods per Rome, the Diamonds and Drugs trading, and the Mossad supply line. The problem was all these old OSS connected types never really went away, like the old saying: "once in the company, always in the company." They were always working the intelligence system for some of their goals. They took a wrong turn when the goals became the killing of a US President that became America's National Hero. Then we have to toss in Lucien Sarti and the Corsicans, as these High Command crooks wanted the ultimate in compartmentalization and killers that would not talk. That way nobody knew who order the hit, supplied the money, saw them in Dallas, or could connect them with CIA. The CIA is so full of leaks that no secrets are ever kept with them. The safe bet on kill operations is total disconnect from CIA and hire the Corsicans, which King Harvey liked. IMHO, When these High Command types connected to Hungarian Benevolence kill the American President Kennedy all their good deeds went away, as they became Criminals against America. They plunged the US into a 30 year cold war that cost the US trillions of dollars to promote their Dirty Deeds cover ups. They became the ultimate Nemisis for American's Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. No one should be swayed from exposing these Crooks who used every trick in the book to evade detection, but the truth always has a way of appearing. And that Truth will set America Free from the Criminal Elements that wished it ill for nearly 50 years now. Americans will not longer be marginally competent on the subjust of the JFK assassination, as the one true story is coming forth from all the Chaos and Noise the Crooks used to conceal it. ========== For the folks wanting to Learn the JFK issues, I have outlined some of the methods to make the study interesting. It is a rather complicated group and this method helps everyone to remember their many associations. It is just a study method that helps the issues to stick in folks minds, as they connect the dots. One can look for the "Name Changers", as that always tends to find many of the issues associated. So, we not only find issues like Jack Ruby is Jacob Rubenstein, we also find the Rothchilds were Bauers of Germany. The list goes on and on, but the most interesting are Georges Mandel is Georgy Mandello, so he sounds Italian. But one can have fun looking for the others. The Name Changers really finds a lot of the players. Another fun thing is chase down the Masons and "33rd Degree Masons" involved. So you find folks like Hoover, Ford, Russell, Earl Warren, George Mandella and lots more. Another fun thing is chase down the "Gay Fellas" and you find all kinds of associations from Hoover and Tolson, to Clay Shaw, to Ferrie, to Cohen and the list gets interesting. Then one can look for the Zionists involved and even find a high Rabbi and Jesuit connections to the central group. When you get that far, "The JFK Murder Mystery" is Solved. These are just games for Internet Searches that help make the associations more memorable so everyone can connect the Dots for the JFK Conspiracy issues. Some of your readings will turn up how an American Jewish person named Adolph Schwimmer started the Israeli Air Force and you'll find another godfather (Credit T.R.): http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=224857 And some of the story isn't real pretty, but it shows how Israel's godfathers do business: http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/is_raeli_American_Traitors.htm Then for those seeking a little greater challenge for learning these issues become evident: This little research project will take you into the world of exploitive business and the world of Opium trading that the Jewish Sassoon Family started to exploit China, then how this trade was supplemented with the addictive properties of Nicotine by Britain and Big Tobacco ran the drugs and tobacco into China. We'll show you how all that stemmed from Cuba, the Germans and the British. The research project will help you connect the dots on not only drugs, but sugar and alcohol addition, sugar/cotton and slavery, sex trades and pornography, sugar and fluoridation, sex, glamor, and Hollywood Cinema. Soon you'll find how those that used the exploitation business plans propered more than others. You can see the effects of the Inquisitiions on these trades. The research finds Hitler's Bible on the Nordic Races or Aerian Race: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Grant You can discover the term "Master Race" began with Slavery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race And in the present day we have the quest for which was the greater quest in sciences for the Arian Rockets or the Jewish Nuclear Science? 1. That for Man in Space and World Peace. or 2. That of a fearsome Nuclear Bomb intent on an Earthy New World Order quest for power, control, and money. IMHO, These are the tough questions for our plight as stewards of planet Earth. Obviously, JFK selected Peace over Nuclear Wars. ======== Edited June 21, 2011 by Jim Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) For Discussion: "The CIA Deep Throat on JFK assassination" It appears there is always someone that has told or leaked on any big Govt corruption plan, and examples have been "The Pentagon Papers", and the "Deep Throat" on the Nixon DNC Watergate Tower "Plumer's" problems. I actually knew who "Deep Throat" was for about a year before he came out and told his story. A retired FBI agent friend had pretty much put it together that the only person that would be leaking was Mark Felt. Seeming his nickname came from being close to the Hoover Gay issues in the top FBI office. It appears we did have a major leak from the CIA about an operation to get shed of JFK, because JFK was leaking state secrets on his backwater channels to the Soviets. This made JFK out to be a traitor to the CIA types, and they told all the Joint Chiefs, Hoover, and the CIA network. It appears the Soviets were perhaps more trustable to the man seeking Peace than this Joint Chiefs and the CIA. RFK also passed messages to the Soviets about JFK death. The book that speaks to this is titled "Regicide" by Greg Douglas: http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/1591482976 The CIA JFK Assassination leaker was "Bob Crawley" and the idea to off JFK was called "Operation Zipper" after JFK's and RFK's sexual exploits that involved everything from Mary Meyer, Marilyn Monroe, White House Swimming buddies "Fiddle" and "Faddle", and Mafia gal Judyth Exner. JFK used Exer as a back channel conduit to the Mafia. Mary Meyer appeared to hook up JFK with CIA drug channels. It appears other Catholics became curious about JFK's death and found the information connecting the CIA to setting up a plot to kill JFK as valid and they offer a book summary here: http://www.catholicb..._et_verus85.htm All worth consideration, as we zero in on the magnitude of the plot to hit JFK and cover up the matter by blaming it on another CIA leaker named Lee Oswald, who leaked to the FBI as a paid informant. ==== So, today we know of many ways that JFK was informing to the FBI on the JFK hit, and one of the more interesting ways that we know LHO knew about the JFK assassiantion plot comes from Oak Ridge Tennessee and its Atomic Museum's Guest Registry. Lee Oswald came to Oak Ridge as part of the CIA project to kill Castro with cancer that was being run out of New Orleans with people like David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, Alton Oschner, Mary Sherman, and Judyth Baker. This little evidence sticker tells us Lee Oswald intended to leave the FBI a message that he was in Oak Ridge, and what he learned from his visit to Oak Ridge. See: In this Registry Lee Oswald signs in as being from Russia, which sets off the FBI checking what is going on. And he signs in as being from Dallas, Tx. and a Dallas Rd. as a sort of Dead Drop message to the FBI that he was in Oak Ridge and that marked what he had learned on his visit. Lee Oswald was working on a special little CIA plot to off Castro with radiation and cancer virus methods and the work up for these activities is cover by excellent books by Judyth Baker and Ed Haslam, who both have detailed these activities for history. See: http://www.amazon.co...n/dp/0977795306 and http://www.amazon.co...P56VN8XXGWM3D6J So, I think we can see that Oak Ridge was in on the plot to kill Castro very early on, via their expertise on radition health effects and how the radiation damage to the immune system allows a cancer virus to kill the target, in this case Castro with lung cancer. ===== There is just a modest amount of checking for other person's memories of that day and that visit. This is one: http://jfkcountercou...rgy-museum.html Hey Jim, Thanks for calling attention to my blog Jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com,, which I have recently neglected, but will get back to soon. I don't know what to make of the Oswald name on the Atomic Energy Muse guest list, other than the Dallas, Texans who were there that week should be further investigated than they were. I don't think it had anything to do with killing Castro with cancer, and everything to do with setting up the accused assassin. Bill Kelly jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com Edited May 8, 2011 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Phelps Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 Hello Bill, Though Judyth Baker says she recalls LHO coming to Oak Ridge in this time frame and that she used Oak Ridge for support materials, I do think that Registry sign up went right into FBI's Div. 5 and set off all matter of red flags that a major leak was happening. I'd think that got him assigned to become the Patsy to shut him up. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Hello Bill, Though Judyth Baker says she recalls LHO coming to Oak Ridge in this time frame and that she used Oak Ridge for support materials, I do think that Registry sign up went right into FBI's Div. 5 and set off all matter of red flags that a major leak was happening. I'd think that got him assigned to become the Patsy to shut him up. Jim Jim, JVB's recollections don't count for anything. It's not Oswald's signature, and they did investigate the other Texans who signed the register that day and one was a college teacher in Dallas, whose office was right around the corner from Dealey Plaza, but they didn't bother to follow through on it. BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Phelps Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 (edited) Hello Bill, When I looked at the Atomic Museum's LHO signature, I also went and looked up lots of other well established LHO signatures for comparison. My observation is that the one on the Atomic Museum is an excellent match to the others. Thus, I'd say that it does match. And I'd also tend to give Judyth Baker a lot more credibility. Logically, FBI Div 5 would be most concerned that LHO made that entry on a public page. The FBI would not care about any other Dallas people, as long as they were not making public statements like LHO. They might get into it a little more these days, if they get into the real investigative modes and not the White Wash mode they were doing with Warren and others to cover up the large Conspiracy to get rid of JFK and slide in LBJ. Jim Edited May 8, 2011 by Jim Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter McGuire Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 Hello Bill, When I looked at the Atomic Museum's LHO signature, I also went and looked up lots of other well established LHO signatures for comparison. My observation is that the one on the Atomic Museum is an excellent match to the others. Thus, I'd say that it does match. And I'd also tend to give Judyth Baker a lot more credibility. Logically, FBI Div 5 would be most concerned that LHO made that entry on a public page. The FBI would not care about any other Dallas people, as long as they were not making public statements like LHO. They might get into it a little more these days, if they get into the real investigative modes and not the White Wash mode they were doing with Warren and others to cover up the large Conspiracy to get rid of JFK and slide in LBJ. Jim This is one reason why the so called JFK Research Community is going nowhere. The outright dismissal of an important witness - Judy Baker. And I am afraid nothing is going to change regarding that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Phelps Posted May 8, 2011 Author Share Posted May 8, 2011 Well, as you can tell I value Judyth Baker as being credible in the run up of the JFK assassination and what LHO was up to during that run up time. I also know the science and radiation issues that she speaks about and that is what was known in those times. And you just did something to change that issue, by saying you think her information is key toward the larger development of the whole picture of what all was going on back then. The only nuts back then were the CIA thinking they could get away with all this. All they've done is make a Martyr whose actions will be shown to be most correct, and when all is done will become the crooks total undoing for all time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robert Morrow Posted May 8, 2011 Share Posted May 8, 2011 I do believe Judyth Vary Baker when she says she was doing top secret cancer research in New Orleans in summer 1963 and that she was a mistress of Lee Harvey Oswald. That is not to say I believe everything Baker says. In my opinion, she is a very important witness and confirms Oswald as US intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Hello Bill, When I looked at the Atomic Museum's LHO signature, I also went and looked up lots of other well established LHO signatures for comparison. My observation is that the one on the Atomic Museum is an excellent match to the others. Thus, I'd say that it does match. And I'd also tend to give Judyth Baker a lot more credibility. Logically, FBI Div 5 would be most concerned that LHO made that entry on a public page. The FBI would not care about any other Dallas people, as long as they were not making public statements like LHO. They might get into it a little more these days, if they get into the real investigative modes and not the White Wash mode they were doing with Warren and others to cover up the large Conspiracy to get rid of JFK and slide in LBJ. Jim This is one reason why the so called JFK Research Community is going nowhere. The outright dismissal of an important witness - Judy Baker. And I am afraid nothing is going to change regarding that. Hi Peter, I'm sorry to say I don't share your opinion of JVB, although I do have her book and actually enjoyed reading it, and find that most of it is accurate and has been clearly vetted by fact checkers, so it is a valuable resource, though her personal recollections just don't check out, although they are amusing - and remind me of a Sam Spade novel (Maltise Falcon) in which the dizzy dame tells what she knows, but in the end, has other motives than the truth, though I don't know what they are. There are dozens of similar, real witnesses to various aspects of the lead up to the cover-op at Dealey Plaza, who actually give information that they don't even know is important themselves, but JVB isn't one of them, unless you can name one thing that she says that actually leads to new or confirming evidence or witnesses, and I know you can't because I've combed through her stuff for years and came up totally empty. Oh, yea, she did turn me on to the Koon Kreek Fishing Club - which I find extremely interesting, and thank her profusely for bringing it to my attention. Other witnesses on the other had, always provide one little detail that leads to other little details and new documentary evidence and witnesses who in turn confirm or refute what is known, so we are always learning something new, even now, decades later. But that just doesn't happen with JVB, though I await you or anyone to provide one sliver of a lead that I can run down that will lead someplace new or to new documents or witnesses. The real JFK research community is going somewhere, though I've only recently realized why they are so quite and don't bother to publicly share what is discovered, except with each other, as it does actually increase our knowledge of what really happened at Dealey Plaza. It used to be that we only learned the details of the covert ops that failed - Bay of Pigs - Iran/Contra - Iran Hostage rescue mission - etc., while those behind those that succeed go undetected - JFK, MLK, RFK, etc., but now, it appears that even those that succeed - like the Dubai assassination and bin Laden operation, present opportunities to determine the details of how they actually did it - breaking secrecy and revealing trade craft that allow us to be able to see how similar activities were used at Dealey Plaza and other, earlier assassinations. As for the Oswald signature at the Atomic Energy Museum in Tenn., I'd like to know how Oswald got there if it is indeed his signature, though I believe the original investigation that tracked other Dallas teachers and students was on the right track and called off because it was leading somewhere, other than to Oswald. Bill Kelly JFKcountercoup.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Phelps Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Checking the others on the Museum's page would be interesting. Judyth only can supply part of the picture, but the parts she does do help. I don't think that this particular project caused AIDs, but all these vaccine and other experiments without due knowledge and care is likely the cause of HIV getting out of control along with issues of cocaine use. Just like Judyth's game with Sv-40 to get it to take had to use something to suppress the immune defences, so it goes with things like Cocaine use to increase the likelyhood of HIV to pass. Edited May 9, 2011 by Jim Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Checking the others on the Museum's page would be interesting. Judyth only can supply part of the picture, but the parts she does do help. I don't think that this particular project caused AIDs, but all these vaccine and other experiments without due knowledge and care is likely the cause of HIV getting out of control along with issues of cocaine use. Just like Judyth's game with Sv-40 to get it to take had to use something to suppress the immune defences, so it goes with things like Cocaine use to increase the likelyhood of HIV to pass. As for checking the others on the Museum's page would be interesting - this has already been done by the FBI and at least one of the persons who signed the same page on the same day as the Oswald signature was a Dallas college teacher who was there with others from Dallas, but they didn't bother to follow up on this guy. JFKcountercoup: Lee H. Oswald at Atomic Energy Museum This certainly is interesting and does present evidence and witnesses that could have and probably can be further investigated, but it doesn't have anything to do with JVB. BK jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com Edited May 9, 2011 by William Kelly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Phelps Posted May 9, 2011 Author Share Posted May 9, 2011 (edited) Bill, I suppose what sounds like your deduction that the LHO visit to Oak Ridge doesn't have anything to do with Judyth Baker might be a little lame. I do think she tells the project was getting assistance from Oak Ridge, as Oak Ridge does have places like ORINS, ORAU, and all kinds of Health Physics data on radiation and health. Oak Ridge designed the LETMA and METBA facilities to radiate both large primates and even children to see what radiations effects would have upon them. And they are doing the same sort of issues for Castro. Just why would not a person assisting JVB and the Cancer Virus and Radiation impairment of the immune response not come talk to the experts? Oak Ridge was the epicenter of the radiation health physics under Karl Morgan. He was totally famous in radiation protection. He wrote a good book called The Angry Genie. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Z._Morgan I'd say LHO visit could well have had to do with helping JVB in some capacity, but he may have slipped up in telling too much of what he learned in Oak Ridge on the Register Sheet. http://www.hss.energy.gov/HealthSafety/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap8_6.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge_Associated_Universities I'd think the informed question would be more like why didn't Lee Oswald come seeking information on this kill Castro with cancer project because that is the world's greatest knowledge base for that sort of thing. Most all the Doctors helping JVB were trained at ORINS. Edited May 9, 2011 by Jim Phelps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bill, I suppose what sounds like your deduction that the LHO visit to Oak Ridge doesn't have anything to do with Judyth Baker might be a little lame. I do think she tells the project was getting assistance from Oak Ridge, as Oak Ridge does have places like ORINS, ORAU, and all kinds of Health Physics data on radiation and health. Oak Ridge designed the LETMA and METBA facilities to radiate both large primates and even children to see what radiations effects would have upon them. And they are doing the same sort of issues for Castro. Just why would not a person assisting JVB and the Cancer Virus and Radiation impairment of the immune response not come talk to the experts? Oak Ridge was the epicenter of the radiation health physics under Karl Morgan. He was totally famous in radiation protection. He wrote a good book called The Angry Genie. See: http://en.wikipedia..../Karl_Z._Morgan I'd say LHO visit could well have had to do with helping JVB in some capacity, but he may have slipped up in telling too much of what he learned in Oak Ridge on the Register Sheet. http://www.hss.energ...re/chap8_6.html http://en.wikipedia....ed_Universities I'd think the informed question would be more like why didn't Lee Oswald come seeking information on this kill Castro with cancer project because that is the world's greatest knowledge base for that sort of thing. Most all the Doctors helping JVB were trained at ORINS. But you don't want to go back to Wood, the SMU teacher who lives in Richardson, Texas, and was most certainly there at the time and place when this name was entered into the register? BK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 For Discussion: "The CIA Deep Throat on JFK assassination" It appears there is always someone that has told or leaked on any big Govt corruption plan, and examples have been "The Pentagon Papers", and the "Deep Throat" on the Nixon DNC Watergate Tower "Plumer's" problems. I actually knew who "Deep Throat" was for about a year before he came out and told his story. A retired FBI agent friend had pretty much put it together that the only person that would be leaking was Mark Felt. Seeming his nickname came from being close to the Hoover Gay issues in the top FBI office. It appears we did have a major leak from the CIA about an operation to get shed of JFK, because JFK was leaking state secrets on his backwater channels to the Soviets. This made JFK out to be a traitor to the CIA types, and they told all the Joint Chiefs, Hoover, and the CIA network. It appears the Soviets were perhaps more trustable to the man seeking Peace than this Joint Chiefs and the CIA. RFK also passed messages to the Soviets about JFK death. The book that speaks to this is titled "Regicide" by Greg Douglas: http://www.amazon.com/Regicide-Official-Assassination-John-Kennedy/dp/1591482976 The CIA JFK Assassination leaker was "Bob Crawley" and the idea to off JFK was called "Operation Zipper" after JFK's and RFK's sexual exploits that involved everything from Mary Meyer, Marilyn Monroe, White House Swimming buddies "Fiddle" and "Faddle", and Mafia gal Judyth Exner. JFK used Exer as a back channel conduit to the Mafia. Mary Meyer appeared to hook up JFK with CIA drug channels. It appears other Catholics became curious about JFK's death and found the information connecting the CIA to setting up a plot to kill JFK as valid and they offer a book summary here: http://www.catholicbook.com/catholicbook/fidelis_et_verus85.htm All worth consideration, as we zero in on the magnitude of the plot to hit JFK and cover up the matter by blaming it on another CIA leaker named Lee Oswald, who leaked to the FBI as a paid informant. ==== So, today we know of many ways that JFK was informing to the FBI on the JFK hit, and one of the more interesting ways that we know LHO knew about the JFK assassiantion plot comes from Oak Ridge Tennessee and its Atomic Museum's Guest Registry. Lee Oswald came to Oak Ridge as part of the CIA project to kill Castro with cancer that was being run out of New Orleans with people like David Ferrie, Lee Oswald, Alton Oschner, Mary Sherman, and Judyth Baker. This little evidence sticker tells us Lee Oswald intended to leave the FBI a message that he was in Oak Ridge, and what he learned from his visit to Oak Ridge. See: In this Registry Lee Oswald signs in as being from Russia, which sets off the FBI checking what is going on. And he signs in as being from Dallas, Tx. and a Dallas Rd. as a sort of Dead Drop message to the FBI that he was in Oak Ridge and that marked what he had learned on his visit. Lee Oswald was working on a special little CIA plot to off Castro with radiation and cancer virus methods and the work up for these activities is cover by excellent books by Judyth Baker and Ed Haslam, who both have detailed these activities for history. See: http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Marys-Monkey-Cancer-Causing-Assassination/dp/0977795306 and http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0979988675/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1?pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=0977795306&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0VQJNP56VN8XXGWM3D6J So, I think we can see that Oak Ridge was in on the plot to kill Castro very early on, via their expertise on radition health effects and how the radiation damage to the immune system allows a cancer virus to kill the target, in this case Castro with lung cancer. ===== There is just a modest amount of checking for other person's memories of that day and that visit. This is one: http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2010/10/lee-h-oswald-at-atomic-energy-museum.html There are many accounts of LHO's whereabouts at all times. Have you checked to find his alleged location on the day of the alleged visit? How do we know the alleged visit is not a hoax? Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted May 9, 2011 Share Posted May 9, 2011 Bill, I suppose what sounds like your deduction that the LHO visit to Oak Ridge doesn't have anything to do with Judyth Baker might be a little lame. I do think she tells the project was getting assistance from Oak Ridge, as Oak Ridge does have places like ORINS, ORAU, and all kinds of Health Physics data on radiation and health. Oak Ridge designed the LETMA and METBA facilities to radiate both large primates and even children to see what radiations effects would have upon them. And they are doing the same sort of issues for Castro. Just why would not a person assisting JVB and the Cancer Virus and Radiation impairment of the immune response not come talk to the experts? Oak Ridge was the epicenter of the radiation health physics under Karl Morgan. He was totally famous in radiation protection. He wrote a good book called The Angry Genie. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Z._Morgan I'd say LHO visit could well have had to do with helping JVB in some capacity, but he may have slipped up in telling too much of what he learned in Oak Ridge on the Register Sheet. http://www.hss.energy.gov/HealthSafety/ohre/roadmap/achre/chap8_6.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oak_Ridge_Associated_Universities I'd think the informed question would be more like why didn't Lee Oswald come seeking information on this kill Castro with cancer project because that is the world's greatest knowledge base for that sort of thing. Most all the Doctors helping JVB were trained at ORINS. Relying on anything said by JVB is VERY lame. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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