Evan Burton Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 Steven, A suggestion you can choose to use or discard as you please. People are sometimes put off by large posts containing 'walls of text'. You might like to consider choosing a pertinent quote from the source and posting that with a link to the original article, etc. Alternatively, you can post a summary of the article's content in your own words, and then post the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 14, 2012 Author Share Posted June 14, 2012 OK EVAN ,here is a much cut down version of what I wanted to post. For those who may question Israeli arms to Balkanize Yougoslavia. (below) +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How are Bosnia's Serbs getting Israeli arms? Source: The Jerusalem Report, January 1995 By Tom Sawicki Israeli officials don't deny foreign press reports that Bosnian Serbs have regularly fired Israeli-made shells at Sarajevo and use Israeli light weapons. The only dispute is over how the weaponry gets there: Pro-Bosnian activists here charge government support of Serbia: officials blame third parties. "The Serbs have large quantities of Israeli arms, and they couldn't have gotten there without the Israeli authorities being aware," charges Daniel Kofman, a Hebrew University lecturer who heads the Israel Public Committee for Bosnia. Responds a spokesman for overseeing Israeli arms sales abroad: "We strictly observe the U.N. embargo and have not sold any weapons there" since the U.N. announced the ban on sales to the combatants in April 1992 [sic]. A foreign Ministry spokesman adds: "We're not responsible for how arms move around once they leave Israel". And Ori Orr, chairman of the Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee, concurs: "It could only happen through some private channels, once the arms have left Israel." "We don't take sides in the conflict", insists the Foreign Ministry spokesman, adding: "Because of anti-Semitic sentiments in (Croat president) Franjo Tudjmans's book and the Hizballah-Iran help to the Muslims, you may draw the conclusion where our sympathies lie". Kofman responds that "Israel generally does keep track of what happens to its arms. So how can they say they don't know what happens to them once they reach the international market?" Hebrew University professor Igor Primorac, who taught philosophy in Belgrade before coming here a decade ago, agrees with Kofman. "Belgrade papers regularly report on Isreli arms shipments", he says, "and it's not far from Serbia to Bosnia. Maybe it's not official, but the pro-Serbian slant of the Israeli political leadership is clear: The government has never condemned the killing of Muslims or Croats." ================== See also: Igor Primoratz : Israel and the War in the Balkans: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/isr1.html Jane’s Ships: http://www.janes.com/defence/news/kosovo/jfr990401_02_n.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 14, 2012 Share Posted June 14, 2012 (edited) “Over 200 persons have been arrested and Israeli-made weapons, including AK-45, have been recovered from them. It proves that foreign hands are behind the unrest in Karachi,” Malik said. So once again we have a member of the Pakistani security apparatus trying to blame outsiders for its internal problems. This would be a little bit more compelling if Malik offered some evidence, like photos of the captured weapons, AFAICT Israel does NOT even make AK-45’s. But even IF true it would not demonstrate that a foreign government was involved there is a very large international black market for guns. http://rehmat2.wordp...-karachi/Mossad in Karachi Posted on July 18, 2011 by rehmat2 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As the old saying goes:”No one konws a crook better than another crook”. Pakistan’s interior minister Rehman Malik is welknown for his connections with CIA, Israeli Mossad and India’s RAW. Malik belongs to non-Muslim Qadiani sect whose members are helping Washington and Tel Aviv to Balkanize Pakistan and create Eretz Balochistan under the protection of US, Israel and NATO. LOL, do you think you could get any LESS authoritative than citing an obscure blogger? And even worse Rehmat. I’m quite familiar with him from the Eric Margolis forum even his fellow anti-Zionists diehards disdained him for his idiotic claims, he said for example that Martin Luther was a “French philosopher” and that Eisenhower, Hitler and Stalin were Jews. And he is not despite your claim to the contrary “in Karachi”, he claims to live in Ontario. Not that this would bother you but he is openly bigoted against Jews, he doesn’t seem very fond of Christians or even members of certain Muslim sects. From his other post MOSSAD armed Bosnian Serbs seperatists and IMF helped to BALKANIZE Yugoslavia In case you missed it Pakistan is not anywhere near the Balkans. Even IF Israel sold arms to the Serbian government in the early 1990’s that would not be evidence they supplied them to Balochi sepratists at the same time let alone 2 decades later. The Serbs tried to prevent the break-up, i.e. “Balkanization” of Yugoslavia, unless you think the Mossad and IMF had opposite objectives you are making contradictory claims. Do think it was bad to allow Yuugoslavia to break-up or it was bad to try to prevent it? Your sources did provide any citations for their claims about the IMF. Edited June 14, 2012 by Len Colby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 15, 2012 Author Share Posted June 15, 2012 (edited) (click this link >) Pakistan: On The Edge of The Precipice | Foreign Policy Journal (multiple US Plans for Pakistan Balkanization,see below) Oct 6, 2009 – Israel's interest to de-fang Pakistan's nuclear ability dates back to ... Pakistan's Balkanization strategy was presented in a 2006 article in the US ... Shahid R. Siddiqi began his career in the Pakistan Air Force. He later joined the corporate sector with which he remained associated until recently in a senior management position. Alongside, he worked as a broadcaster with Radio Pakistan and remained the Islamabad bureau chief of an English weekly magazine ‘Pakistan & Gulf Economist’. In the U.S. he co-founded the Asian American Republican Club in Maryland in 1994 to encourage the participation of Asian Americans in the mainstream political process. He now writes columns and can be reached at shahidrsiddiqi@gmail.com. Read more articles by Shahid R. Siddiqi.================================================ ###########################oooo############################## (multiple US Plans for Pakistan Balkanization,see below) http://www.hizb.org....-art-exhibition The US government on the other hand was very quick to distance itself from the Congressional hearing conducted by Rohrabacher and Peters’ testimony. The spokesperson for the US State Department Victoria Nuland said, ”Our view on Baluchistan has not changed. We are aware of this hearing. As you know, Congress holds hearings on many foreign affairs topics. These hearings don’t necessarily imply that the US government endorses one view or another view. I’d underscore that the State Department is not participating or involved in this hearing.” However, denials from the US government do not square well with overwhelming evidence that the US through its think tanks, non-governmental organizations, US sponsored websites and dubious Baluchi movements are instigating a domestic uprising in the Baluchistan province. Way back in 2006, the eminent US think tank Carnegie Endowment for International Peace published a report titled, “Pakistan: The Resurgence of Baluch Nationalism”. The report highlights the rich natural resources of Baluchistan and then makes the case to use Baluchi rebels against Islamabad and Tehran. Furthermore, the US State Department-funded National Endowment for Democracy (NED) and the Voice of Baluchistan (VOB) have been instrumental in fomenting dissension and nationalistic feelings. NED has been funding the Baluchistan Institute for Development (BIFD) which claims to be the leading resource on democracy, development and human rights in Baluchistan, whereas the VOB on the other hand, has been active in carrying propaganda messages on behalf of the American government. Also, there is the Baluchi Society of North America’s, which openly carries messages of support from Rohrabacher. Over the past few years, the US has also been pressing Pakistan to allow it to open a consulate in Quetta the capital of Baluchistan. No doubt the consulate is central to US plans to have eyes and ears on the ground to execute its nefarious intentions against Pakistan. ############################################ IMF and destabilization of nations (below) ############################################ http://www.ied.info/...be-destabilized Now it was Yugoslavia’s Turn to be Destabilized ------------------------------------------------------------ The opening guns of financial warfare for the destabilization of the relatively prosperous Yugoslavia were the IMF’s 1980-84 demands for currency devaluation and an increase in the Yugoslavian Central Bank’s discount rate. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ http://metaexistence.org/ecomed.htm Strong Economic Medicine for Pakistan ------------------------------------------------------------- It is by no means accidental that the National Intelligence Council- CIA report had predicted a "Yugoslav-like fate" for Pakistan pointing to the impacts of "economic mismanagement" as one of the causes of political break-up and balkanization. "Economic mismanagement" is a term used by the Washington based international financial institutions to describe the chaos, which results from not fully abiding by the IMF's Structural Adjustment Program. In actual fact, the "economic mismanagement" and chaos is the outcome of IMF-World Bank prescriptions, which invariably trigger hyperinflation and precipitate indebted countries into extreme poverty. Pakistan has been subjected to the same deadly IMF "economic medicine" as Yugoslavia: In 1999, in the immediate wake of the coup which brought General Pervez Musharaf to the helm of the military government, an IMF economic package, which included currency devaluation and drastic austerity measures, was imposed on Pakistan. Pakistan's external debt is of the order of US$40 billion. The IMF's "debt reduction" under the package was conditional upon the sell-off to foreign capital of the most profitable State owned enterprises (including the oil and gas facilities in Balochistan) at rockbottom prices. Musharaf's Finance Minister was chosen by Wall Street, which is not an unusual practice. The military ruler (Musharaf) was appointed at Wall Street's request, a vice-president of Citigroup, Shaukat Aziz, who at the time was head of CitiGroup's Global Private Banking. There are obvious similarities in the nature of US covert intelligence operations applied in country after country in different parts of the so-called "developing World". These covert operation, including the organization of military coups, are often synchronized with the imposition of IMF-World Bank macro-economic reforms. In this regard, Yugoslavia's federal fiscal structure collapsed in 1990 leading to mass poverty and heightened ethnic and social divisions. The US and NATO sponsored "civil war" launched in mid-1991 consisted in coveting Islamic groups as well as channeling covert support to separatist paramilitary armies in Bosnia, Kosovo and Macedonia. The National Intelligence Council and the CIA have envisaged a similar “civil war†scenario for Pakistan. From the point of view of US intelligence, which has a longstanding experience in abetting separatist "liberation armies", "Greater Albania" is to Kosovo what "Greater Balochistan" is to Pakistan's Southeastern Balochistan province. Similarly, the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) is Washington's chosen model, to be replicated in Balochistan province. ============================================================================= ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ########################### Israeli guns in Baluchistan ############################ http://www.israeli-w...alil/Galil.html order soon,MUSLIM BALUCH seperatist could get (AK-45) them all !! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Edited June 16, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 16, 2012 Share Posted June 16, 2012 (click this link >) Pakistan: On The Edge of The Precipice | Foreign Policy Journal (multiple US Plans for Pakistan Balkanization,see below) Oct 6, 2009 – Israel's interest to de-fang Pakistan's nuclear ability dates back to ... Pakistan's Balkanization strategy was presented in a 2006 article in the US ... Your use of ellipses was extremely deceptive and demonstrates you that you are not trustworthy. The second part came THREE PARAGRAPHS AFTER the first. You should really be ashamed of yourself. There is no evidence the 2006 article in the Armed Forces Journal the author referred to reflected government policy, called for Israel “to return to its pre-1967 borders — with essential local adjustments for legitimate security concerns” and the creation of an “Arab Shia State rimming much of the Persian Gulf” hardly positions of the Bush administration. The author provided no evidence in support of his speculation “the US-Israeli-Indian nexus” exists let alone is backing Balochi separatists. Despite their similar names the relatively obscure website Foreign Policy Journal has no connection to the well-respected magazine Foreign Policy except a probable attempt by the folks behind the former hoping to be confused with the latter. Nor is it a ‘journal’ in the sense of a publication with an editorial board. So all you have is an obscure guy making claims on an obscure website for which he provides scanty evidence. (multiple US Plans for Pakistan Balkanization,see below) http://www.hizb.org....-art-exhibition The US government on the other hand was very quick to distance itself from the Congressional hearing conducted by Rohrabacher and Peters’ testimony. The spokesperson for the US State Department Victoria Nuland said, ”Our view on Baluchistan has not changed. We are aware of this hearing. As you know, Congress holds hearings on many foreign affairs topics. These hearings don’t necessarily imply that the US government endorses one view or another view. I’d underscore that the State Department is not participating or involved in this hearing.” However, denials from the US government do not square well with overwhelming evidence that the US through its think tanks, non-governmental organizations, US sponsored websites and dubious Baluchi movements are instigating a domestic uprising in the Baluchistan province. [...] Articles from obscure websites that don't provide documentation for their claims is not evidence. http://www.israeli-w...alil/Galil.html order soon,MUSLIM BALUCH seperatist could get (AK-45) them all !! There was nothing on the page about AK-45s thus it re-enforces my impression that Israel does NOT make them, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 16, 2012 Author Share Posted June 16, 2012 (edited) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Since MSM is mostly unreliable the "obscure" bloggers like: Colby, Samuel Clemens , Gaal , entrepreneurial Shahid R Siddiqi, Michel Chossudovsky and Andrew G. Marshall,can hold the truth. Lets take a recent example,Houla. The story started with the MSM having one viewpoint and the "obscure" bloggers another. In time the MSM has backed away from their viewpoint and come closer to the "obscure" blogger view. Its the easy road to open up the NY Times and feel one has the truth,life is much more complex. Galil (Israel), argued by some to be AK-inspired but not a pure AK, it has aperture sights and uses a proprietary 35-round magazine for the 5.56 x 45 mm NATO cartridge. Most have an extremely rugged (and rather heavy) steel buttstock that folds to the side. Regarded as a good design but poor quality control when most were manufactured in the 1970s has given the Galil a poor reputation among Israeli troops, who are today mostly issued M16A1 rifles instead. A licensed copy of the Galil is made in South Africa, called the R4 (SEE 45 mm round above ) ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How the weapons from Israel are arranged for Karachi http://haroonhaider....ed-for-karachi/ Research Report by: Aaron Lion for our Global Peace & Security Section Stunningly, astonishingly and unexpectedly the Interior Minister of Pakistan Mr. Rehman Malik, finally accepted the involvement The Israeli Intelligence agency Mossad into the destabilization of peace of Karachi. While talking to the media at Islamabad Airport, Mr. Malik told that “Weapons are being brought to Karachi from abroad. Over 200 persons have been arrested and Israeli-made weapons, including AK-45 rifles, have been recovered from them.” The minister also hinted that not only the weapons but terrorists are also being brought in from abroad to play the role into the violence in Karachi and other parts of the country. The government of Pakistan has been speaking frequently about the foreign involvement into the terrorism in Pakistan. Pakistani law enforcement agencies have been reporting the involvement of MOSSAD in the acts of terrorism in Pakistan. MOSSAD was involved in the training and equipping the terrorist in Pakistan under the guise of multinational forces in Afghanistan and Training centers for terrorists in India. Several arrested terrorists in Karachi have given testimonies to the authorities and law enforcement agencies about their training in India and South Africa. On July 13, 2011, talking to the Mubasher Luqman, the famous Pakistani Journalist, Shahi Syed, the Awami National Party’s leader and chief in Sindh, he told that the weapons are being brought into Karachi by MQM through its control over the ports of Karachi. It should be noted that MQM has been in the control of ports and shipping ministry since Pervez Musharraf’s era. According to Shahi Syed, the weapons used in Karachi are not of local made, but it is completely imported from Western countries. He hinted that MQM is using its control over ports to smuggle the weapons. He also pointed out that recently revealed Container Scam had significant link with this supply of weapons into Karachi. ++++++++++++++++++++ Types of Weapon being used in Karachi Sophisticated weapons from western countries are commonly being seen on the streets of Karachi these days whereas in past AK 47s were the most famous assault rifle. In the video link, the young man is using to Israeli made weapons including Assault Rifle / carbine and IWI Jericho 941 / Baby Eagle that are available for commercial sales with Israeli Weapon Industries. It was also reported by the media that they have witnessed rounds of Israeli weapons, the most famous of them, The Uzi submachine guns. +++++++++++++++++++++ The Tevel Israel’s Mossad has been involved in training and equipping terrorists in various parts of the world. MOSSAD has a department called Tevel (Hebrew: Liaison), that has “people positioned throughout the Far East who did little real intelligence; instead they set the framework for future business and diplomatic ties” (Victor Ostrovsky, By Way of Deception, P 77). This office or department deals in millions of dollars in arms sales. “These liaison men worked in three stages. First, they made contact to find out what the country(or customer) needed, what it feared, whom it regarded as enemies — information gathered through their on-site activities. The idea was to build on those needs, create a stronger relationship, then make it known that Israel could supply the government in question with weapons and training — whatever they needed. The final step in the process, once a country’s leader had been hooked on the arms, was for the Mossad man to tell him that he must take, for instance, some agricultural equipment as well. The leader was then put in the position of saying he could expand ties with Israel only if they set up formal diplomatic relations. It was essentially a way of creating those relations through the back door, although in most cases the arms deals were so lucrative, the liaison men never bothered to follow up with the next step“(Victor Ostrovsky, By Way of Deception, P 77). The Israeli Weapons in Pakistan In recent history, Israeli weapons were recovered from the militants if Tehreek-E-Taliban, Pakistan during Pakistan Army’s operation Rah-I-Rast in 2009 from North Waziristan. In the case of Karachi, we are going to follow the trails of the above three steps to find out how the Israeli Weapons found their way in Pakistan. Initially Indian RAW orchestrated the battlefield into SWAT valley where the involvement of Indian intelligence agency was vindicated by the finding of Indian made weapons and several uncircumcised militants with sub-continental racial features. Upon elimination of swat insurgency, another battlefield in Waziristan was initiated. Pakistan Army has launched its operation Rah-I-Rast against TTP, the foreign established so called Taliban fraction in the soil of Pakistan. Pakistani intelligence officials and civil government officials have on several forums has brought the issue on this involvement into the International media and global community. International community and military experts agree with the claim and they assert that Indian connections and backing of Taliban is justified as their insurance policy for future when the US leaves Afghanistan. Israel finds the business opportunity here by offering Israeli arms and ammunition to the insurgents prepared by the Indian agencies in FATA, KPK and Baluchistan regions of Pakistan. By late 2009, reports of Israeli weaponry being used by insurgents in Waziristan were surfacing. TTP militants were having plenty of sophisticated Israeli weaponry and it raised the revenues for Israeli weapon industry from $6.9 billion to $7.2 billion in 2009 despite several of its main buyers, including China remaining off limits. Intelligence reports suggested that Baitullah Mehsud and his Taliban were looting financials assets (Banks etc0, extorting money by threatening major businesses, and narcotics smuggling revenues through their control over the transport network from FATA, KPK and Afghan Transit Trade and to other major cities of Pakistan and has grown an organization of 5 billion rupees annual revenue during the era of Baitullah Mehsud. These revenues were being spent upon the purchase of weaponry and sophisticated equipment to launch attacks inside Pakistan. These ties were established during 2008 through the Indians who not only provided money laundering and related financial services to TTP through their network of consulates in Afghan territory as well as provided logistic support to transport the weaponry from the seaport of Karachi under the veil of diplomatic and development cargo to Afghanistan. This “cargo” was then smuggled into Waziristan through the adjoining complex of border passes on the Durand line. ++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++ Edited June 16, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Since MSM is mostly unreliable the "obscure" bloggers like: Colby, Samuel Clemens , Gaal , entrepreneurial Shahid R Siddiqi, Michel Chossudovsky and Andrew G. Marshall,can hold the truth. Lets take a recent example,Houla. The story started with the MSM having one viewpoint and the "obscure" bloggers another. In time the MSM has backed away from their viewpoint and come closer to the "obscure" blogger view. Its the easy road to open up the NY Times and feel one has the truth,life is much more complex. A few stories have been broken by the National Enquirer and other tabloids which does not go to say they are reliable sources. Yes the truth especially during war is rather complex, it is especially so when the country is essentially closed to outside observers. If the UN and press had freer access to the area it would be easier to be certain of what had happened. It is the Syrian government that has restricted access and their opponents are the vast majority of those who’ve fled the country, can you point to any reports of Alawites or Shias leaving Syria? Galil (Israel), argued by some to be AK-inspired but not a pure AK, it has aperture sights and uses a proprietary 35-round magazine for the 5.56 x 45 mm NATO cartridge. Most have an extremely rugged (and rather heavy) steel buttstock that folds to the side. Regarded as a good design but poor quality control when most were manufactured in the 1970s has given the Galil a poor reputation among Israeli troops, who are today mostly issued M16A1 rifles instead. A licensed copy of the Galil is made in South Africa, called the R4 (SEE 45 mm round above ) Yes apparently Galils are similar to AK-47s but are not AK-47s let alone AK-45s. There’s no such thing as an AK-45 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ How the weapons from Israel are arranged for Karachi http://haroonhaider....ed-for-karachi/ Research Report by: Aaron Lion for our Global Peace & Security Section Stunningly, astonishingly and unexpectedly the Interior Minister of Pakistan Mr. Rehman Malik, finally accepted the involvement The Israeli Intelligence agency Mossad into the destabilization of peace of Karachi. While talking to the media at Islamabad Airport, Mr. Malik told that “Weapons are being brought to Karachi from abroad. Over 200 persons have been arrested and Israeli-made weapons, including AK-45 rifles, have been recovered from them.” The minister also hinted that not only the weapons but terrorists are also being brought in from abroad to play the role into the violence in Karachi and other parts of the country. The government of Pakistan has been speaking frequently about the foreign involvement into the terrorism in Pakistan. Another obscure blogger can’t document his claims, most of the links are broken, several others are not in English, the remaining ones prove little, one is to a photo of a dead man’s penis. In this guy’s version the conspiracy is even more complex involving not only India, the US, and Israel but South Africa and Pakistan’s 3rd or 4th biggest party. Perhaps some Israeli made weapons have been found among the separatists but have US, Bulgarian and Czech ones according to one of the cited articles. But it does mean that those government are involved in stirring up trouble in Pakistan, according to the same article: But not only the militants are in possession of such type of deadly weapons but they are easily accessible by the common people of Pakistan, especially in Punjab. As a matter of fact, the war on terrorism in Afghanistan has brought state-of-the-art foreign-made lethal weapons to Pakistans arms markets in the tribal areas and other parts of the country. At a time when militants equipped with US, European, and Israeli-made deadly weapons are offering resistance to the Army, these sophisticated weapons are attracting buyers from across the country, particularly Punjab. Apart from foreign-made weapons, Wah Factory manufactured MP-5 rifle pieces are also available in Dara market. A source in the Wazir Dand arms market, Khyber Agency claimed a slain Afghan commander, belonging to eastern Nangarhar, sold 300 pieces of M-16 rifles in Landi Kotal a year and half earlier. These rifles are in the possession of militants, especially the Uzbeks and Tajiks, are being used intensively against security forces [...] The pushing of militants from Afghanistan to Pakistan means heavy transportation of lethal weapons (both light and heavy) into Pakistani areas bordering Afghanistan, causing more resistance to security forces, defence analysts fear. According to official sources, huge transportation of weapons from Afghanistan into Pakistan has been noted at a time when US-led NATO forces vacated a half-dozen remote outposts a month earlier. http://www.nation.com.pk/pakistan-news-newspaper-daily-english-online/Politics/17-Nov-2009/Militants-possession-of-Israeli-arms-raises-questions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) Gee, seems you missed this. The Yinon Plan =================== http://www.troubledkashmir.com/index.php/world-press-today/590-the-return-of-pan-arabism-amidst-upheaval-an-end-to-balkanization-mahdi-darius-nazemroaya ################################# In 2008, Cook authored Israel and the Clash of Civilizations: Iraq, Iran and the plan to remake the Middle East, published by Pluto Press.[10] Of the book, Antony Loewenstein wrote that, "Cook bravely skewers the mainstream narrative of a Jewish state constantly striving for peace with the Palestinians." According to Lowenstein, Cook argues that Israel "pursues policies that lead to civil war and partition," and that this idea of dissolving many of the nations of the Middle East, shared by the neocons and the Bush administration, was developed by Israel's security establishment in the 1980s.[11] Cook discusses an essay authored by Oded Yinon and published by the World Zionist Organisation in 1982 which advocated for Israel's transformation into a regional imperial power via the fragmentation of the Arab world, "into a mosaic of ethnic and confessional groupings that could be more easily manipulated" (p. 107). A review of the book in The Jordan Times called it, "well-researched and very readable."[12] Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair was published in 2008 by Zed Books.[13] The book is in two parts, with the second half consisting of reprints of articles written by Cook as a journalist.[14] The first half of the book, according to a review in Electronic Intifada, explores the thesis that, "the goal of Israeli policy is to make Palestine and the Palestinians disappear for good."[14] Helena Cobban in the Boston Review says Cook argues that to encourage voluntary emigration, Israel has made life unbearable for Palestinians, primarily via "the ever more sophisticated systems of curfews, checkpoints, walls, permits and land grabs."[15] ---------------------------------------------o-------------------------------------------- 10 ^ Raymond Deane (11 February 2008). "Book review: "Israel and the Clash of Civilisations"". The Electronic Intifada. http://electronicint...ticle9289.shtml. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 11 ^ Antony Loewenstein (summer 2008). "THE RESOURCE WARS". overland literary journal. ISBN 978-0-9805346-0-3. http://web.overland....au/?page_id=602. 12 ^ Sally Bland (March 31, 2008). "Spreading 'organised chaos'". The Jordan Times. http://www.jordantim...For=sally bland. Retrieved 2009-12-05. 13 ^ Pam Hardyment (May 18, 2009). "Disappearing Palestine, Israel's Experiments in Human Despair by Jonathan Cook". http://www.paltelegr...y-jonathan-cook. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 14 ^ a b Gabriel Ash (February 12, 2009). "Book review: Un-erasing the erasure of Palestine". The Electronic Intifada. http://electronicint...icle10300.shtml. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 15 ^ Helena Cobban (July/August 2009). "Peace Out: The decline of Israel's progressive movement". Boston Review. http://bostonreview....34.4/cobban.php. 16 ^ "(Review of) Catastrophe Remembered: Palestine, Israel, and the Internal Refugees". Journal of Refugee Studies 19 (2): 267–268. 2006. http://jrs.oxfordjou...xtract/19/2/267. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ THAT World Zionist Organisation is on your side of the ideological fence,Colby ,isnt it ? I think it is,yes. GEE Mr. Colby uses obcure blogger/website 12 times this thread. If Colby dosent like it ,its obscure. Colby,however, worships the MSM 24/7. Dont take my word for it, read his posts. Edited June 24, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 24, 2012 Share Posted June 24, 2012 Gee, seems you missed this. I didn't 'miss' anything it was not previously discussed on this thread except for a very brief mention burried in lengthy post. The Yinon Plan =================== http://www.troubledkashmir.com/index.php/world-press-today/590-the-return-of-pan-arabism-amidst-upheaval-an-end-to-balkanization-mahdi-darius-nazemroaya ################################# In 2008, Cook authored Israel and the Clash of Civilizations: Iraq, Iran and the plan to remake the Middle East, published by Pluto Press.[10] Of the book, Antony Loewenstein wrote that, "Cook bravely skewers the mainstream narrative of a Jewish state constantly striving for peace with the Palestinians." According to Lowenstein, Cook argues that Israel "pursues policies that lead to civil war and partition," and that this idea of dissolving many of the nations of the Middle East, shared by the neocons and the Bush administration, was developed by Israel's security establishment in the 1980s.[11] Cook discusses an essay authored by Oded Yinon and published by the World Zionist Organisation in 1982 which advocated for Israel's transformation into a regional imperial power via the fragmentation of the Arab world, "into a mosaic of ethnic and confessional groupings that could be more easily manipulated" (p. 107). A review of the book in The Jordan Times called it, "well-researched and very readable."[12] Disappearing Palestine: Israel's Experiments in Human Despair was published in 2008 by Zed Books.[13] The book is in two parts, with the second half consisting of reprints of articles written by Cook as a journalist.[14] The first half of the book, according to a review in Electronic Intifada, explores the thesis that, "the goal of Israeli policy is to make Palestine and the Palestinians disappear for good."[14] Helena Cobban in the Boston Review says Cook argues that to encourage voluntary emigration, Israel has made life unbearable for Palestinians, primarily via "the ever more sophisticated systems of curfews, checkpoints, walls, permits and land grabs."[15] ---------------------------------------------o-------------------------------------------- 10 ^ Raymond Deane (11 February 2008). "Book review: "Israel and the Clash of Civilisations"". The Electronic Intifada. http://electronicint...ticle9289.shtml. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 11 ^ Antony Loewenstein (summer 2008). "THE RESOURCE WARS". overland literary journal. ISBN 978-0-9805346-0-3. http://web.overland....au/?page_id=602. 12 ^ Sally Bland (March 31, 2008). "Spreading 'organised chaos'". The Jordan Times. http://www.jordantim...For=sally bland. Retrieved 2009-12-05. 13 ^ Pam Hardyment (May 18, 2009). "Disappearing Palestine, Israel's Experiments in Human Despair by Jonathan Cook". http://www.paltelegr...y-jonathan-cook. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 14 ^ a b Gabriel Ash (February 12, 2009). "Book review: Un-erasing the erasure of Palestine". The Electronic Intifada. http://electronicint...icle10300.shtml. Retrieved 2009-08-31. 15 ^ Helena Cobban (July/August 2009). "Peace Out: The decline of Israel's progressive movement". Boston Review. http://bostonreview....34.4/cobban.php. 16 ^ "(Review of) Catastrophe Remembered: Palestine, Israel, and the Internal Refugees". Journal of Refugee Studies 19 (2): 267–268. 2006. http://jrs.oxfordjou...xtract/19/2/267. You are not citing the 'plan' itself but rather an obscure anonymous blogger's spin of a review of a book which discusses it, i.e. it is a third hand account. That aside we have no indication the paper represented Israeli government policy in 1982, when it was released, let alone 30 years later. Lastly (but not leastly) Pakistan is not part of "the Arab world" it's about 800 from the nearest Arab country, Austria is closer to Spain +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ THAT World Zionist Organisation is on your side of the ideological fence,Colby ,isnt it ? I think it is,yes. GEE Mr. Colby uses obcure blogger/website 12 times this thread. If Colby dosent like it ,its obscure. Colby,however, worships the MSM 24/7. Dont take my word for it, read his posts. - You did not directly cite the WZO not that I take everything they say as gospel. - You on the other blindly accept the word of anyone who posts on the Net whose views align with yours. No source is perfect but I generally accept the reports from journalists working for MSM outlets unless there is reliable contradictory information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 24, 2012 Author Share Posted June 24, 2012 (edited) History Commons ==================================== Profile: Oded Yinon Oded Yinon was a participant or observer in the following events: <a href="http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2049#western_support_for_islamic_militancy_2049" title="View in context">February 1982: Article in Israeli Journal Says Israel Should Exploit Internal Tensions of Arab States The winter issue of Kivunim, a “A Journal for Judaism and Zionism,” publishes “A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties” by Oded Yinon. The paper, published in Hebrew, rejects the idea that Israel should carry through with the Camp David accords and seek peace. Instead, Yinon suggests that the Arab States should be destroyed from within by exploiting their internal religious and ethnic tensions: “Lebanon’s total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precedent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq, and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unique areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel’s primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon.” [Kivunim, 2/1982] ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ A Strategy for Israel in the Nineteen Eighties by Oded Yinon (with a foreword by, and translated by Israel Shahak) Foreword The following essay represents, in my opinion, the accurate and detailed plan of the present Zionist regime (of Sharon and Eitan) for the Middle East which is based on the division of the whole area into small states, and the dissolution of all the existing Arab states. I will comment on the military aspect of this plan in a concluding note. Here I want to draw the attention of the readers to several important points: 1 i.e., the wish and aspiration for boundless consumption. The view that ethics plays no part in determining the direction Man takes, but rather his material needs do--that view is becoming prevalent today as we see a world in which nearly all values are disappearing. We are losing the ability to assess the simplest things, especially when they concern the simple question of what is Good and what is Evil. The vision of man's limitless aspirations and abilities shrinks in the face of the sad facts of life, when we witness the break-up of world order around us. The view which promises liberty and freedom to mankind seems absurd in light of the sad fact that three fourths of the human race lives under totalitarian regimes. The views concerning equality and social justice have been transformed by socialism and especially by Communism into a laughing stock. There is no argument as to the truth of these two ideas, but it is clear that they have not been put into practice properly and the majority of mankind has lost the liberty, the freedom and the opportunity for equality and justice. In this nuclear world in which we are (still) living in relative peace for thirty years, the concept of peace and coexistence among nations has no meaning when a superpower like the USSR holds a military and political doctrine of the sort it has: that not only is a nuclear war possible and necessary in order to achieve the ends of Marxism, but that it is possible to survive after it, not to speak of the fact that one can be victorious in it.2 The essential concepts of human society, especially those of the West, are undergoing a change due to political, military and economic transformations. Thus, the nuclear and conventional might of the USSR has transformed the epoch that has just ended into the last respite before the great saga that will demolish a large part of our world in a multi-dimensional global war, in comparison with which the past world wars will have been mere child's play. The power of nuclear as well as of conventional weapons, their quantity, their precision and quality will turn most of our world upside down within a few years, and we must align ourselves so as to face that in Israel. That is, then, the main threat to our existence and that of the Western world.3 The war over resources in the world, the Arab monopoly on oil, and the need of the West to import most of its raw materials from the Third World, are transforming the world we know, given that one of the major aims of the USSR is to defeat the West by gaining control over the gigantic resources in the Persian Gulf and in the southern part of Africa, in which the majority of world minerals are located. We can imagine the dimensions of the global confrontation which will face us in the future. The Gorshkov doctrine calls for Soviet control of the oceans and mineral rich areas of the Third World. That together with the present Soviet nuclear doctrine which holds that it is possible to manage, win and survive a nuclear war, in the course of which the West's military might well be destroyed and its inhabitants made slaves in the service of Marxism-Leninism, is the main danger to world peace and to our own existence. Since 1967, the Soviets have transformed Clausewitz' dictum into "War is the continuation of policy in nuclear means," and made it the motto which guides all their policies. Already today they are busy carrying out their aims in our region and throughout the world, and the need to face them becomes the major element in our country's security policy and of course that of the rest of the Free World. That is our major foreign challenge.4 The Arab Moslem world, therefore, is not the major strategic problem which we shall face in the Eighties, despite the fact that it carries the main threat against Israel, due to its growing military might. This world, with its ethnic minorities, its factions and internal crises, which is astonishingly self-destructive, as we can see in Lebanon, in non-Arab Iran and now also in Syria, is unable to deal successfully with its fundamental problems and does not therefore constitute a real threat against the State of Israel in the long run, but only in the short run where its immediate military power has great import. In the long run, this world will be unable to exist within its present framework in the areas around us without having to go through genuine revolutionary changes. The Moslem Arab World is built like a temporary house of cards put together by foreigners (France and Britain in the Nineteen Twenties), without the wishes and desires of the inhabitants having been taken into account. It was arbitrarily divided into 19 states, all made of combinations of minorites and ethnic groups which are hostile to one another, so that every Arab Moslem state nowadays faces ethnic social destruction from within, and in some a civil war is already raging.5 Most of the Arabs, 118 million out of 170 million, live in Africa, mostly in Egypt (45 million today). Apart from Egypt, all the Maghreb states are made up of a mixture of Arabs and non-Arab Berbers. In Algeria there is already a civil war raging in the Kabile mountains between the two nations in the country. Morocco and Algeria are at war with each other over Spanish Sahara, in addition to the internal struggle in each of them. Militant Islam endangers the integrity of Tunisia and Qaddafi organizes wars which are destructive from the Arab point of view, from a country which is sparsely populated and which cannot become a powerful nation. That is why he has been attempting unifications in the past with states that are more genuine, like Egypt and Syria. Sudan, the most torn apart state in the Arab Moslem world today is built upon four groups hostile to each other, an Arab Moslem Sunni minority which rules over a majority of non-Arab Africans, Pagans, and Christians. In Egypt there is a Sunni Moslem majority facing a large minority of Christians which is dominant in upper Egypt: some 7 million of them, so that even Sadat, in his speech on May 8, expressed the fear that they will want a state of their own, something like a "second" Christian Lebanon in Egypt. All the Arab States east of Israel are torn apart, broken up and riddled with inner conflict even more than those of the Maghreb. Syria is fundamentally no different from Lebanon except in the strong military regime which rules it. But the real civil war taking place nowadays between the Sunni majority and the Shi'ite Alawi ruling minority (a mere 12% of the population) testifies to the severity of the domestic trouble. Iraq is, once again, no different in essence from its neighbors, although its majority is Shi'ite and the ruling minority Sunni. Sixty-five percent of the population has no say in politics, in which an elite of 20 percent holds the power. In addition there is a large Kurdish minority in the north, and if it weren't for the strength of the ruling regime, the army and the oil revenues, Iraq's future state would be no different than that of Lebanon in the past or of Syria today. The seeds of inner conflict and civil war are apparent today already, especially after the rise of Khomeini to power in Iran, a leader whom the Shi'ites in Iraq view as their natural leader. All the Gulf principalities and Saudi Arabia are built upon a delicate house of sand in which there is only oil. In Kuwait, the Kuwaitis constitute only a quarter of the population. In Bahrain, the Shi'ites are the majority but are deprived of power. In the UAE, Shi'ites are once again the majority but the Sunnis are in power. The same is true of Oman and North Yemen. Even in the Marxist South Yemen there is a sizable Shi'ite minority. In Saudi Arabia half the population is foreign, Egyptian and Yemenite, but a Saudi minority holds power. Jordan is in reality Palestinian, ruled by a Trans-Jordanian Bedouin minority, but most of the army and certainly the bureaucracy is now Palestinian. As a matter of fact Amman is as Palestinian as Nablus. All of these countries have powerful armies, relatively speaking. But there is a problem there too. The Syrian army today is mostly Sunni with an Alawi officer corps, the Iraqi army Shi'ite with Sunni commanders. This has great significance in the long run, and that is why it will not be possible to retain the loyalty of the army for a long time except where it comes to the only common denominator: The hostility towards Israel, and today even that is insufficient. Alongside the Arabs, split as they are, the other Moslem states share a similar predicament. Half of Iran's population is comprised of a Persian speaking group and the other half of an ethnically Turkish group. Turkey's population comprises a Turkish Sunni Moslem majority, some 50%, and two large minorities, 12 million Shi'ite Alawis and 6 million Sunni Kurds. In Afghanistan there are 5 million Shi'ites who constitute one third of the population. In Sunni Pakistan there are 15 million Shi'ites who endanger the existence of that state.13 This national ethnic minority picture extending from Morocco to India and from Somalia to Turkey points to the absence of stability and a rapid degeneration in the entire region. When this picture is added to the economic one, we see how the entire region is built like a house of cards, unable to withstand its severe problems. In this giant and fractured world there are a few wealthy groups and a huge mass of poor people. Most of the Arabs have an average yearly income of 300 dollars. That is the situation in Egypt, in most of the Maghreb countries except for Libya, and in Iraq. Lebanon is torn apart and its economy is falling to pieces. It is a state in which there is no centralized power, but only 5 de facto sovereign authorities (Christian in the north, supported by the Syrians and under the rule of the Franjieh clan, in the East an area of direct Syrian conquest, in the center a Phalangist controlled Christian enclave, in the south and up to the Litani river a mostly Palestinian region controlled by the PLO and Major Haddad's state of Christians and half a million Shi'ites). Syria is in an even graver situation and even the assistance she will obtain in the future after the unification with Libya will not be sufficient for dealing with the basic problems of existence and the maintenance of a large army. Egypt is in the worst situation: Millions are on the verge of hunger, half the labor force is unemployed, and housing is scarce in this most densely populated area of the world. Except for the army, there is not a single department operating efficiently and the state is in a permanent state of bankruptcy and depends entirely on American foreign assistance granted since the peace.6 In the Gulf states, Saudi Arabia, Libya and Egypt there is the largest accumulation of money and oil in the world, but those enjoying it are tiny elites who lack a wide base of support and self-confidence, something that no army can guarantee.7 The Saudi army with all its equipment cannot defend the regime from real dangers at home or abroad, and what took place in Mecca in 1980 is only an example. A sad and very stormy situation surrounds Israel and creates challenges for it, problems, risks but also far-reaching opportunities for the first time since 1967. Chances are that opportunities missed at that time will become achievable in the Eighties to an extent and along dimensions which we cannot even imagine today. The "peace" policy and the return of territories, through a dependence upon the US, precludes the realization of the new option created for us. Since 1967, all the governments of Israel have tied our national aims down to narrow political needs, on the one hand, and on the other to destructive opinions at home which neutralized our capacities both at home and abroad. Failing to take steps towards the Arab population in the new territories, acquired in the course of a war forced upon us, is the major strategic error committed by Israel on the morning after the Six Day War. We could have saved ourselves all the bitter and dangerous conflict since then if we had given Jordan to the Palestinians who live west of the Jordan river. By doing that we would have neutralized the Palestinian problem which we nowadays face, and to which we have found solutions that are really no solutions at all, such as territorial compromise or autonomy which amount, in fact, to the same thing.8 Today, we suddenly face immense opportunities for transforming the situation thoroughly and this we must do in the coming decade, otherwise we shall not survive as a state. In the course of the Nineteen Eighties, the State of Israel will have to go through far-reaching changes in its political and economic regime domestically, along with radical changes in its foreign policy, in order to stand up to the global and regional challenges of this new epoch. The loss of the Suez Canal oil fields, of the immense potential of the oil, gas and other natural resources in the Sinai peninsula which is geomorphologically identical to the rich oil-producing countries in the region, will result in an energy drain in the near future and will destroy our domestic economy: one quarter of our present GNP as well as one third of the budget is used for the purchase of oil.9 The search for raw materials in the Negev and on the coast will not, in the near future, serve to alter that state of affairs. (Regaining) the Sinai peninsula with its present and potential resources is therefore a political priority which is obstructed by the Camp David and the peace agreements. The fault for that lies of course with the present Israeli government and the governments which paved the road to the policy of territorial compromise, the Alignment governments since 1967. The Egyptians will not need to keep the peace treaty after the return of the Sinai, and they will do all they can to return to the fold of the Arab world and to the USSR in order to gain support and military assistance. American aid is guaranteed only for a short while, for the terms of the peace and the weakening of the U.S. both at home and abroad will bring about a reduction in aid. Without oil and the income from it, with the present enormous expenditure, we will not be able to get through 1982 under the present conditions and we will have to act in order to return the situation to the status quo which existed in Sinai prior to Sadat's visit and the mistaken peace agreement signed with him in March 1979.10 Israel has two major routes through which to realize this purpose, one direct and the other indirect. The direct option is the less realistic one because of the nature of the regime and government in Israel as well as the wisdom of Sadat who obtained our withdrawal from Sinai, which was, next to the war of 1973, his major achievement since he took power. Israel will not unilaterally break the treaty, neither today, nor in 1982, unless it is very hard pressed economically and politically and Egypt provides Israel with the excuse to take the Sinai back into our hands for the fourth time in our short history. What is left therefore, is the indirect option. The economic situation in Egypt, the nature of the regime and its pan-Arab policy, will bring about a situation after April 1982 in which Israel will be forced to act directly or indirectly in order to regain control over Sinai as a strategic, economic and energy reserve for the long run. Egypt does not constitute a military strategic problem due to its internal conflicts and it could be driven back to the post 1967 war situation in no more than one day.11 The myth of Egypt as the strong leader of the Arab World was demolished back in 1956 and definitely did not survive 1967, but our policy, as in the return of the Sinai, served to turn the myth into "fact." In reality, however, Egypt's power in proportion both to Israel alone and to the rest of the Arab World has gone down about 50 percent since 1967. Egypt is no longer the leading political power in the Arab World and is economically on the verge of a crisis. Without foreign assistance the crisis will come tomorrow.12 In the short run, due to the return of the Sinai, Egypt will gain several advantages at our expense, but only in the short run until 1982, and that will not change the balance of power to its benefit, and will possibly bring about its downfall. Egypt, in its present domestic political picture, is already a corpse, all the more so if we take into account the growing Moslem-Christian rift. Breaking Egypt down territorially into distinct geographical regions is the political aim of Israel in the Nineteen Eighties on its Western front. Egypt is divided and torn apart into many foci of authority. If Egypt falls apart, countries like Libya, Sudan or even the more distant states will not continue to exist in their present form and will join the downfall and dissolution of Egypt. The vision of a Christian Coptic State in Upper Egypt alongside a number of weak states with very localized power and without a centralized government as to date, is the key to a historical development which was only set back by the peace agreement but which seems inevitable in the long run.13 The Western front, which on the surface appears more problematic, is in fact less complicated than the Eastern front, in which most of the events that make the headlines have been taking place recently. Lebanon's total dissolution into five provinces serves as a precendent for the entire Arab world including Egypt, Syria, Iraq and the Arabian peninsula and is already following that track. The dissolution of Syria and Iraq later on into ethnically or religiously unqiue areas such as in Lebanon, is Israel's primary target on the Eastern front in the long run, while the dissolution of the military power of those states serves as the primary short term target. Syria will fall apart, in accordance with its ethnic and religious structure, into several states such as in present day Lebanon, so that there will be a Shi'ite Alawi state along its coast, a Sunni state in the Aleppo area, another Sunni state in Damascus hostile to its northern neighbor, and the Druzes who will set up a state, maybe even in our Golan, and certainly in the Hauran and in northern Jordan. This state of affairs will be the guarantee for peace and security in the area in the long run, and that aim is already within our reach today.14 Iraq, rich in oil on the one hand and internally torn on the other, is guaranteed as a candidate for Israel's targets. Its dissolution is even more important for us than that of Syria. Iraq is stronger than Syria. In the short run it is Iraqi power which constitutes the greatest threat to Israel. An Iraqi-Iranian war will tear Iraq apart and cause its downfall at home even before it is able to organize a struggle on a wide front against us. Every kind of inter-Arab confrontation will assist us in the short run and will shorten the way to the more important aim of breaking up Iraq into denominations as in Syria and in Lebanon. In Iraq, a division into provinces along ethnic/religious lines as in Syria during Ottoman times is possible. So, three (or more) states will exist around the three major cities: Basra, Baghdad and Mosul, and Shi'ite areas in the south will separate from the Sunni and Kurdish north. It is possible that the present Iranian-Iraqi confrontation will deepen this polarization.15 The entire Arabian peninsula is a natural candidate for dissolution due to internal and external pressures, and the matter is inevitable especially in Saudi Arabia. Regardless of whether its economic might based on oil remains intact or whether it is diminished in the long run, the internal rifts and breakdowns are a clear and natural development in light of the present political structure.16 Jordan constitutes an immediate strategic target in the short run but not in the long run, for it does not constitute a real threat in the long run after its dissolution, the termination of the lengthy rule of King Hussein and the transfer of power to the Palestinians in the short run. There is no chance that Jordan will continue to exist in its present structure for a long time, and Israel's policy, both in war and in peace, ought to be directed at the liquidation of Jordan under the present regime and the transfer of power to the Palestinian majority. Changing the regime east of the river will also cause the termination of the problem of the territories densely populated with Arabs west of the Jordan. Whether in war or under conditions of peace, emigrationfrom the territories and economic demographic freeze in them, are the guarantees for the coming change on both banks of the river, and we ought to be active in order to accelerate this process in the nearest future. The autonomy plan ought also to be rejected, as well as any compromise or division of the territories for, given the plans of the PLO and those of the Israeli Arabs themselves, the Shefa'amr plan of September 1980, it is not possible to go on living in this country in the present situation without separating the two nations, the Arabs to Jordan and the Jews to the areas west of the river. Genuine coexistence and peace will reign over the land only when the Arabs understand that without Jewish rule between the Jordan and the sea they will have neither existence nor security. A nation of their own and security will be theirs only in Jordan.17 Within Israel the distinction between the areas of '67 and the territories beyond them, those of '48, has always been meaningless for Arabs and nowadays no longer has any significance for us. The problem should be seen in its entirety without any divisions as of '67. It should be clear, under any future political situation or mifitary constellation, that the solution of the problem of the indigenous Arabs will come only when they recognize the existence of Israel in secure borders up to the Jordan river and beyond it, as our existential need in this difficult epoch, the nuclear epoch which we shall soon enter. It is no longer possible to live with three fourths of the Jewish population on the dense shoreline which is so dangerous in a nuclear epoch. Dispersal of the population is therefore a domestic strategic aim of the highest order; otherwise, we shall cease to exist within any borders. Judea, Samaria and the Galilee are our sole guarantee for national existence, and if we do not become the majority in the mountain areas, we shall not rule in the country and we shall be like the Crusaders, who lost this country which was not theirs anyhow, and in which they were foreigners to begin with. Rebalancing the country demographically, strategically and economically is the highest and most central aim today. Taking hold of the mountain watershed from Beersheba to the Upper Galilee is the national aim generated by the major strategic consideration which is settling the mountainous part of the country that is empty of Jews today.l8 Realizing our aims on the Eastern front depends first on the realization of this internal strategic objective. The transformation of the political and economic structure, so as to enable the realization of these strategic aims, is the key to achieving the entire change. We need to change from a centralized economy in which the government is extensively involved, to an open and free market as well as to switch from depending upon the U.S. taxpayer to developing, with our own hands, of a genuine productive economic infrastructure. If we are not able to make this change freely and voluntarily, we shall be forced into it by world developments, especially in the areas of economics, energy, and politics, and by our own growing isolation.l9 From a military and strategic point of view, the West led by the U.S. is unable to withstand the global pressures of the USSR throughout the world, and Israel must therefore stand alone in the Eighties, without any foreign assistance, military or economic, and this is within our capacities today, with no compromises.20 Rapid changes in the world will also bring about a change in the condition of world Jewry to which Israel will become not only a last resort but the only existential option. We cannot assume that U.S. Jews, and the communities of Europe and Latin America will continue to exist in the present form in the future.21 Our existence in this country itself is certain, and there is no force that could remove us from here either forcefully or by treachery (Sadat's method). Despite the difficulties of the mistaken "peace" policy and the problem of the Israeli Arabs and those of the territories, we can effectively deal with these problems in the foreseeable future. Conclusion Three important points have to be clarified in order to be able to understand the significant possibilities of realization of this Zionist plan for the Middle East, and also why it had to be published. The Military Background of The Plan The military conditions of this plan have not been mentioned above, but on the many occasions where something very like it is being "explained" in closed meetings to members of the Israeli Establishment, this point is clarified. It is assumed that the Israeli military forces, in all their branches, are insufficient for the actual work of occupation of such wide territories as discussed above. In fact, even in times of intense Palestinian "unrest" on the West Bank, the forces of the Israeli Army are stretched out too much. The answer to that is the method of ruling by means of "Haddad forces" or of "Village Associations" (also known as "Village Leagues"): local forces under "leaders" completely dissociated from the population, not having even any feudal or party structure (such as the Phalangists have, for example). The "states" proposed by Yinon are "Haddadland" and "Village Associations," and their armed forces will be, no doubt, quite similar. In addition, Israeli military superiority in such a situation will be much greater than it is even now, so that any movement of revolt will be "punished" either by mass humiliation as in the West Bank and Gaza Strip, or by bombardment and obliteration of cities, as in Lebanon now (June 1982), or by both. In order to ensure this, the plan, as explained orally, calls for the establishment of Israeli garrisons in focal places between the mini states, equipped with the necessary mobile destructive forces. In fact, we have seen something like this in Haddadland and we will almost certainly soon see the first example of this system functioning either in South Lebanon or in all Lebanon. It is obvious that the above military assumptions, and the whole plan too, depend also on the Arabs continuing to be even more divided than they are now, and on the lack of any truly progressive mass movement among them. It may be that those two conditions will be removed only when the plan will be well advanced, with consequences which can not be foreseen. Why it is necessary to publish this in Israel? The reason for publication is the dual nature of the Israeli-Jewish society: A very great measure of freedom and democracy, specially for Jews, combined with expansionism and racist discrimination. In such a situation the Israeli-Jewish elite (for the masses follow the TV and Begin's speeches) has to be persuaded. The first steps in the process of persuasion are oral, as indicated above, but a time comes in which it becomes inconvenient. Written material must be produced for the benefit of the more stupid "persuaders" and "explainers" (for example medium-rank officers, who are, usually, remarkably stupid). They then "learn it," more or less, and preach to others. It should be remarked that Israel, and even the Yishuv from the Twenties, has always functioned in this way. I myself well remember how (before I was "in opposition") the necessity of war with was explained to me and others a year before the 1956 war, and the necessity of conquering "the rest of Western Palestine when we will have the opportunity" was explained in the years 1965-67. Why is it assumed that there is no special risk from the outside in the publication of such plans? Such risks can come from two sources, so long as the principled opposition inside Israel is very weak (a situation which may change as a consequence of the war on Lebanon) : The Arab World, including the Palestinians, and the United States. The Arab World has shown itself so far quite incapable of a detailed and rational analysis of Israeli-Jewish society, and the Palestinians have been, on the average, no better than the rest. In such a situation, even those who are shouting about the dangers of Israeli expansionism (which are real enough) are doing this not because of factual and detailed knowledge, but because of belief in myth. A good example is the very persistent belief in the non-existent writing on the wall of the Knesset of the Biblical verse about the Nile and the Euphrates. Another example is the persistent, and completely false declarations, which were made by some of the most important Arab leaders, that the two blue stripes of the Israeli flag symbolize the Nile and the Euphrates, while in fact they are taken from the stripes of the Jewish praying shawl (Talit). The Israeli specialists assume that, on the whole, the Arabs will pay no attention to their serious discussions of the future, and the Lebanon war has proved them right. So why should they not continue with their old methods of persuading other Israelis? In the United States a very similar situation exists, at least until now. The more or less serious commentators take their information about Israel, and much of their opinions about it, from two sources. The first is from articles in the "liberal" American press, written almost totally by Jewish admirers of Israel who, even if they are critical of some aspects of the Israeli state, practice loyally what Stalin used to call "the constructive criticism." (In fact those among them who claim also to be "Anti-Stalinist" are in reality more Stalinist than Stalin, with Israel being their god which has not yet failed). In the framework of such critical worship it must be assumed that Israel has always "good intentions" and only "makes mistakes," and therefore such a plan would not be a matter for discussion--exactly as the Biblical genocides committed by Jews are not mentioned. The other source of information, The Jerusalem Post, has similar policies. So long, therefore, as the situation exists in which Israel is really a "closed society" to the rest of the world, because the world wants to close its eyes, the publication and even the beginning of the realization of such a plan is realistic and feasible. Israel Shahak June 17, 1982 Jerusalem About the Translator Israel Shahak is a professor of organic chemistly at Hebrew University in Jerusalem and the chairman of the Israeli League for Human and Civil Rights. He published The Shahak Papers, collections of key articles from the Hebrew press, and is the author of numerous articles and books, among them Non-Jew in the Jewish State. His latest book is Israel's Global Role: Weapons for Repression, published by the AAUG in 1982. Israel Shahak: (1933-2001) Notes 1. American Universities Field Staff. Report No.33, 1979. According to this research, the population of the world will be 6 billion in the year 2000. Today's world population can be broken down as follows: China, 958 million; India, 635 million; USSR, 261 million; U.S., 218 million Indonesia, 140 million; Brazil and Japan, 110 million each. According to the figures of the U.N. Population Fund for 1980, there will be, in 2000, 50 cities with a population of over 5 million each. The population ofthp;Third World will then be 80% of the world population. According to Justin Blackwelder, U.S. Census Office chief, the world population will not reach 6 billion because of hunger. 2. Soviet nuclear policy has been well summarized by two American Sovietologists: Joseph D. Douglas and Amoretta M. Hoeber, Soviet Strategy for Nuclear War, (Stanford, Ca., Hoover Inst. Press, 1979). In the Soviet Union tens and hundreds of articles and books are published each year which detail the Soviet doctrine for nuclear war and there is a great deal of documentation translated into English and published by the U.S. Air Force,including USAF: Marxism-Leninism on War and the Army: The Soviet View, Moscow, 1972; USAF: The Armed Forces of the Soviet State. Moscow, 1975, by Marshal A. Grechko. The basic Soviet approach to the matter is presented in the book by Marshal Sokolovski published in 1962 in Moscow: Marshal V. D. Sokolovski, Military Strategy, Soviet Doctrine and Concepts(New York, Praeger, 1963). 3. A picture of Soviet intentions in various areas of the world can be drawn from the book by Douglas and Hoeber, ibid. For additional material see: Michael Morgan, "USSR's Minerals as Strategic Weapon in the Future," Defense and Foreign Affairs, Washington, D.C., Dec. 1979. 4. Admiral of the Fleet Sergei Gorshkov, Sea Power and the State, London, 1979. Morgan, loc. cit. General George S. Brown (USAF) C-JCS, Statement to the Congress on the Defense Posture of the United States For Fiscal Year 1979, p. 103; National Security Council, Review of Non-Fuel Mineral Policy, (Washington, D.C. 1979,); Drew Middleton, The New York Times, (9/15/79); Time, 9/21/80. 5. Elie Kedourie, "The End of the Ottoman Empire," Journal of Contemporary History, Vol. 3, No.4, 1968. 6. Al-Thawra, Syria 12/20/79, Al-Ahram,12/30/79, Al Ba'ath, Syria, 5/6/79. 55% of the Arabs are 20 years old and younger, 70% of the Arabs live in Africa, 55% of the Arabs under 15 are unemployed, 33% live in urban areas, Oded Yinon, "Egypt's Population Problem," The Jerusalem Quarterly, No. 15, Spring 1980. 7. E. Kanovsky, "Arab Haves and Have Nots," The Jerusalem Quarterly, No.1, Fall 1976, Al Ba'ath, Syria, 5/6/79. 8. In his book, former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin said that the Israeli government is in fact responsible for the design of American policy in the Middle East, after June '67, because of its own indecisiveness as to the future of the territories and the inconsistency in its positions since it established the background for Resolution 242 and certainly twelve years later for the Camp David agreements and the peace treaty with Egypt. According to Rabin, on June 19, 1967, President Johnson sent a letter to Prime Minister Eshkol in which he did not mention anything about withdrawal from the new territories but exactly on the same day the government resolved to return territories in exchange for peace. After the Arab resolutions in Khartoum (9/1/67) the government altered its position but contrary to its decision of June 19, did not notify the U.S. of the alteration and the U.S. continued to support 242 in the Security Council on the basis of its earlier understanding that Israel is prepared to return territories. At that point it was already too late to change the U.S. position and Israel's policy. From here the way was opened to peace agreements on the basis of 242 as was later agreed upon in Camp David. See Yitzhak Rabin. Pinkas Sherut, (Ma'ariv 1979) pp. 226-227. 9. Foreign and Defense Committee Chairman Prof. Moshe Arens argued in an interview (Ma 'ariv,10/3/80) that the Israeli government failed to prepare an economic plan before the Camp David agreements and was itself surprised by the cost of the agreements, although already during the negotiations it was possible to calculate the heavy price and the serious error involved in not having prepared the economic grounds for peace. The former Minister of Treasury, Mr. Yigal Holwitz, stated that if it were not for the withdrawal from the oil fields, Israel would have a positive balance of payments (9/17/80). That same person said two years earlier that the government of Israel (from which he withdrew) had placed a noose around his neck. He was referring to the Camp David agreements (Ha'aretz, 11/3/78). In the course of the whole peace negotiations neither an expert nor an economics advisor was consulted, and the Prime Minister himself, who lacks knowledge and expertise in economics, in a mistaken initiative, asked the U.S. to give us a loan rather than a grant, due to his wish to maintain our respect and the respect of the U.S. towards us. See Ha'aretz1/5/79. Jerusalem Post, 9/7/79. Prof Asaf Razin, formerly a senior consultant in the Treasury, strongly criticized the conduct of the negotiations; Ha'aretz, 5/5/79. Ma'ariv, 9/7/79. As to matters concerning the oil fields and Israel's energy crisis, see the interview with Mr. Eitan Eisenberg, a government advisor on these matters, Ma'arive Weekly, 12/12/78. The Energy Minister, who personally signed the Camp David agreements and the evacuation of Sdeh Alma, has since emphasized the seriousness of our condition from the point of view of oil supplies more than once...see Yediot Ahronot, 7/20/79. Energy Minister Modai even admitted that the government did not consult him at all on the subject of oil during the Camp David and Blair House negotiations. Ha'aretz, 8/22/79. 10. Many sources report on the growth of the armaments budget in Egypt and on intentions to give the army preference in a peace epoch budget over domestic needs for which a peace was allegedly obtained. See former Prime Minister Mamduh Salam in an interview 12/18/77, Treasury Minister Abd El Sayeh in an interview 7/25/78, and the paper Al Akhbar, 12/2/78 which clearly stressed that the military budget will receive first priority, despite the peace. This is what former Prime Minister Mustafa Khalil has stated in his cabinet's programmatic document which was presented to Parliament, 11/25/78. See English translation, ICA, FBIS, Nov. 27. 1978, pp. D 1-10. According to these sources, Egypt's military budget increased by 10% between fiscal 1977 and 1978, and the process still goes on. A Saudi source divulged that the Egyptians plan to increase their militmy budget by 100% in the next two years; Ha'aretz, 2/12/79 and Jerusalem Post, 1/14/79. 11. Most of the economic estimates threw doubt on Egypt's ability to reconstruct its economy by 1982. See Economic Intelligence Unit, 1978 Supplement, "The Arab Republic of Egypt"; E. Kanovsky, "Recent Economic Developments in the Middle East," Occasional Papers, The Shiloah Institution, June 1977; Kanovsky, "The Egyptian Economy Since the Mid-Sixties, The Micro Sectors," Occasional Papers, June 1978; Robert McNamara, President of World Bank, as reported in Times, London, 1/24/78. 12. See the comparison made by the researeh of the Institute for Strategic Studies in London, and research camed out in the Center for Strategic Studies of Tel Aviv University, as well as the research by the British scientist, Denis Champlin, Military Review, Nov. 1979, ISS: The Military Balance 1979-1980, CSS; Security Arrangements in Sinai...by Brig. Gen. (Res.) A Shalev, No. 3.0 CSS; The Military Balance and the Military Options after the Peace Treaty with Egypt, by Brig. Gen. (Res.) Y. Raviv, No.4, Dec. 1978, as well as many press reports including El Hawadeth, London, 3/7/80; El Watan El Arabi, Paris, 12/14/79. 13. As for religious ferment in Egypt and the relations between Copts and Moslems see the series of articles published in the Kuwaiti paper, El Qabas, 9/15/80. The English author Irene Beeson reports on the rift between Moslems and Copts, see: Irene Beeson, Guardian, London, 6/24/80, and Desmond Stewart, Middle East Internmational, London 6/6/80. For other reports see Pamela Ann Smith, Guardian, London, 12/24/79; The Christian Science Monitor 12/27/79 as well as Al Dustour, London, 10/15/79; El Kefah El Arabi, 10/15/79. 14. Arab Press Service, Beirut, 8/6-13/80. The New Republic, 8/16/80, Der Spiegel as cited by Ha'aretz, 3/21/80, and 4/30-5/5/80; The Economist, 3/22/80; Robert Fisk, Times, London, 3/26/80; Ellsworth Jones, Sunday Times, 3/30/80. 15. J.P. Peroncell Hugoz, Le Monde, Paris 4/28/80; Dr. Abbas Kelidar, Middle East Review, Summer 1979; Conflict Studies, ISS, July 1975; Andreas Kolschitter, Der Zeit, (Ha'aretz, 9/21/79) Economist Foreign Report, 10/10/79, Afro-Asian Affairs, London, July 1979. 16. Arnold Hottinger, "The Rich Arab States in Trouble," The New York Review of Books, 5/15/80; Arab Press Service, Beirut, 6/25-7/2/80; U.S. News and World Report, 11/5/79 as well as El Ahram, 11/9/79; El Nahar El Arabi Wal Duwali, Paris 9/7/79; El Hawadeth, 11/9/79; David Hakham, Monthly Review, IDF, Jan.-Feb. 79. 17. As for Jordan's policies and problems see El Nahar El Arabi Wal Duwali, 4/30/79, 7/2/79; Prof. Elie Kedouri, Ma'ariv 6/8/79; Prof. Tanter, Davar 7/12/79; A. Safdi, Jerusalem Post, 5/31/79; El Watan El Arabi 11/28/79; El Qabas, 11/19/79. As for PLO positions see: The resolutions of the Fatah Fourth Congress, Damascus, August 1980. The Shefa'amr program of the Israeli Arabs was published in Ha'aretz, 9/24/80, and by Arab Press Report 6/18/80. For facts and figures on immigration of Arabs to Jordan, see Amos Ben Vered, Ha'aretz, 2/16/77; Yossef Zuriel, Ma'ariv 1/12/80. As to the PLO's position towards Israel see Shlomo Gazit, Monthly Review; July 1980; Hani El Hasan in an interview, Al Rai Al'Am, Kuwait 4/15/80; Avi Plaskov, "The Palestinian Problem," Survival, ISS, London Jan. Feb. 78; David Gutrnann, "The Palestinian Myth," Commentary, Oct. 75; Bernard Lewis, "The Palestinians and the PLO," Commentary Jan. 75; Monday Morning, Beirut, 8/18-21/80; Journal of Palestine Studies, Winter 1980. 18. Prof. Yuval Neeman, "Samaria--The Basis for Israel's Security," Ma'arakhot 272-273, May/June 1980; Ya'akov Hasdai, "Peace, the Way and the Right to Know," Dvar Hashavua, 2/23/80. Aharon Yariv, "Strategic Depth--An Israeli Perspective," Ma'arakhot 270-271, October 1979; Yitzhak Rabin, "Israel's Defense Problems in the Eighties," Ma'arakhot October 1979. 19. Ezra Zohar, In the Regime's Pliers (Shikmona, 1974); Motti Heinrich, Do We have a Chance Israel, Truth Versus Legend (Reshafim, 1981). 20. Henry Kissinger, "The Lessons of the Past," The Washington Review Vol 1, Jan. 1978; Arthur Ross, "OPEC's Challenge to the West," The Washington Quarterly, Winter, 1980; Walter Levy, "Oil and the Decline of the West," Foreign Affairs, Summer 1980; Special Report--"Our Armed Forees-Ready or Not?" U.S. News and World Report 10/10/77; Stanley Hoffman, "Reflections on the Present Danger," The New York Review of Books 3/6/80; Time 4/3/80; Leopold Lavedez "The illusions of SALT" Commentary Sept. 79; Norman Podhoretz, "The Present Danger," Commentary March 1980; Robert Tucker, "Oil and American Power Six Years Later," Commentary Sept. 1979; Norman Podhoretz, "The Abandonment of Israel," Commentary July 1976; Elie Kedourie, "Misreading the Middle East," Commentary July 1979. 21. According to figures published by Ya'akov Karoz, Yediot Ahronot, 10/17/80, the sum total of anti-Semitic incidents recorded in the world in 1979 was double the amount recorded in 1978. In Germany, France, and Britain the number of anti-Semitic incidents was many times greater in that year. In the U.S. as well there has been a sharp increase in anti-Semitic incidents which were reported in that article. For the new anti-Semitism, see L. Talmon, "The New Anti-Semitism," The New Republic, 9/18/1976; Barbara Tuchman, "They poisoned the Wells," Newsweek 2/3/75. Edited June 24, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 25, 2012 Share Posted June 25, 2012 Congratulation you tracked down the original document rather than depend on third hand spin though it could be argued the translator has some credibility issues. However you have yet to overcome my observation that “…we have no indication the paper represented Israeli government policy in 1982, when it was released, let alone 30 years later” and indeed his plan was NOT followed at the time. Yinon said the Israeli government should not abide by the Camp David Treaty and return the Sinai to Egypt but a few months after his paper was published they did exactly that and even sent in the Army to expel some settlers and bulldoze their community. I also wrote “Lastly (but not leastly) Pakistan is not part of "the Arab world" it's about 800 from the nearest Arab country, Austria is closer to Spain” and indeed there was only one brief mention of Pakistan in the entire paper which focused on Arab nations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak#Alleged_telephone_incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Shahak#Criticism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 26, 2012 Author Share Posted June 26, 2012 (edited) Congratulation you tracked down the original document rather than depend on third hand spin though it could be argued the translator has some credibility issues. However you have yet to overcome my observation that “…we have no indication the paper represented Israeli government policy in 1982, when it was released, let alone 30 years later” and indeed his plan was NOT followed at the time. Yinon said the Israeli government should not abide by the Camp David Treaty and return the Sinai to Egypt but a few months after his paper was published they did exactly that and even sent in the Army to expel some settlers and bulldoze their community. I also wrote “Lastly (but not leastly) Pakistan is not part of "the Arab world" it's about 800 from the nearest Arab country, Austria is closer to Spain” and indeed there was only one brief mention of Pakistan in the entire paper which focused on Arab nations. http://en.wikipedia....ephone_incident http://en.wikipedia....hahak#Criticism +++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gee Len Bulldoze three and build hundreds more settelments. Hows that PEACE PROCESS WORKING re Egypt/Israel this very day ?? +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I MAKE THE REST OF THIS POST IN THE MEMORY of Jacobo Timerman. (see below) ================= Israel Shahak the tranlator was a giant of a man. The YINON plan was implemented later (year 2000) after 1) Russia had vast political change and for a number of years focused inwardly. and 2) There was a new Pearl Harbor. In the mean time Israel flexed its quisling helper Imperialist role. ================ http://en.wikipedia....i/Israel_Shahak (book below with review) Israel's Global Role: Weapons for Repression (Israel Shahak book) ============== REVIEW here below Analyzes Israel's support for oppression in the third world October 25, 2000 By Chris Published in 1982, this very short little book, written by Israel's leading civil libertarian Israel Shahak, using massive quotation from the Israeli press, discusses Israel's massive weapons sales, military and police training and other forms of collaboration with such terroristic regimes as in Guatemala, El Salvador, Nicaragua under Somoza, Iran under the Shah, Malawi under Dr. Benda, a close friend of the apartheid regime in South Africa. Perhaps the prominent examples have to do with Israel's extensive military and economic alliance with apartheid South Africa and support for the Shah, especially among the Labor party doves, like Yigal Allon, who, made frequent visits to his friend, the head of Savak, the Shah's sadistic secret police. Another interesting example has to do with the 1976-83 "dirty war" regime in Argentina which butchered hundreds of Jews and engaged in such practices as forcing Jewish prisoners to kneel in front of pictures of Hitler, yet Israel was its primary supplier of military hardware and Israeli generals, like Motta Gur, often made friendly visits to the country. Noam Chomsky, writing in August 1981, writes an outstanding introduction, and at the end of Shahak's essay, there are attached about five appendexis, containing good articles on this issue from the mainstream Israeli and American press and a few particularly good articles from Penny Lernoux of the National Catholic Reporter. Shahak's essay is not particularly easy to read, but the evidence he gives stands out above all else. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++== ############################################ ANOTHER BOOK Arms Exports and Israeli Government Policy, Israel's Arms Industry, Israel and Latin America, South American Case: Ecuador and Argentina excerpted from the book Israel and Latin America: The Military Connection by Bishara Bahbah St. Martin's Press, 1986, paper http://www.thirdworl...Amer_ILAMC.html +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++= ############################################# http://www.isreview...._watchdog.shtml International Socialist Review Issue 4, Spring 1998 Israel: The U. S. Watchdog By Lance Selfa Since 1948, just about every pro-U.S. repressive dictatorship in the world has received some kind of overt or covert Israeli aid. The U.S. funnels weapons and aid through Israel when it wants to evade congressional bans on aid to repressive regimes. The U.S. and the CIA subcontract training of death squads and terrorists to Israel. Consider the following examples: Israeli military advisers helped to train the militaries and secret police agencies of such "friends of Israel" as the Shah of Iran, Mobutu Sese Seko in Zaire, Emperor Bokassa in the Central African Republic, General Idi Amin in Uganda, and Ian Smith of Rhodesia. In 1978, Israel sold U.S. jets and attack helicopters to Indonesia as that country's military carried out genocide against East Timor. To date, the Indonesian military has killed more than 200,000 Timorese. Israel's arms trade with the Suharto dictatorship continues today. In the last year of the Somoza dictatorship in Nicaragua, Israel provided 98 percent of the arms Somoza used to kill 50,000 Nicaraguans. In 1980, Israel supplied 83 percent of the arms to the genocidal military regime of Guatemala. 14 In the late 1970s and early 1980s, Israel earned more than $1 billion a year selling weapons to the military dictatorships in Argentina, Chile and Brazil. "Thus while Jewish newspaper publisher [and human rights advocate] Jacobo Timerman was being tortured by the Argentine military in cells painted with swastikas, three Israeli generals, including the former armed forces chief of staff, were visiting Buenos Aires on a 'friendly mission' to sell arms." 15 In 1977, Israeli Foreign Minister Moshe Dayan announced that Israel would not abide by the international arms embargo against the racist South African apartheid regime. Even an Israeli newspaper conceded, "It is a clear and open secret known to everybody that in [south African] army camps one can find Israeli officers in not insignificant numbers who are busy teaching white soldiers to fight Black terrorists with methods imported from Israel." 16 Israel anchored an international terrorist network which ran guns, drugs and other weapons between Panama's Noriega, the contras in Nicaragua, Middle Eastern arms dealers, the Sultan of Brunei and the CIA. The Reagan administration made use of this network during the "arms for hostages" Contragate affair in the mid-1980s. ........................................................................................Almost five decades after Ha'aretz declared Israel the West's "watchdog," Israel still hasn't been muzzled. The names of its enemies have changed from "communism" and "Arab nationalism" to "Islamic fundamentalism," but the same dynamic holds. Israel remains the U.S.'s chief guarantor of "stability" in the Middle East. Preserving stability means preserving the region's status quo. And preserving the status quo means maintaining repressive conditions which can only be a catalyst for future wars. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ COLBY // Pakistan is not part of "the Arab world" it's about 800 from the nearest Arab country, Austria is closer to Spain” and indeed there was only one brief mention of Pakistan in the entire paper which focused on Arab nations. // END Colby Gee Len I already POSTED that Balkanization of Pakistan would also start a Balkanization of Iran thus helping ...... gee I can think of it but it starts with the letter "I" Gee Argentina how many miles away from Israel,but they had their fingers in that pie ?? NO LEN your counterarguments are very ,very weak. ############################ COLBY //the translator has some credibility issues // END COLBY You sir dont have the moral or ethical standing to clean the derriere of Israel Shahak !! Edited June 26, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 27, 2012 Share Posted June 27, 2012 Like I've noted before you lash out when shown to be wrong. Tempted as I was at first to do so I won't stoop to your level in reseponse. Shahak seems to have made up claims, this undermines his credibility. But that is a side show. Even if we assume his translation was accurate month's after it release Israel's Likud lead government government did NOT follow the plan suggestion to not pull out of the Sinai so the notion another Likud lead government is following it 30 years later is a real stretch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted June 28, 2012 Author Share Posted June 28, 2012 (edited) Baluchis say USA ! USA !! http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/balochistan-freedom-struggle/37807-baloch-likely-distribute-sweets-welcome-uss-enterprise.html Baloch likely to distribute sweets to welcome USS Enterprise - Baltimore Foreign Policy | Examiner.com Though Pakistan is fuming, Baloch all over the world are joyous that the USS Enterpise is close to the territorial waters of Balochistan near the port city of Gwadar. These Baloch are appealing to Balochistan leaders to come out openly and publicly in support of the U.S. carrier. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ TIME TO REVIEW ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Israeli Mossad Agents allegedly Impersonated CIA in fostering Baluch Terrorism against Iran ==================== Cole,01/14/2012 http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=222_1326552776 -o-o-o-o-o-o--o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o- Mark Perry reveals that Israeli Mossad intelligence operatives pretended to be American field officers when contacting members of the Baluch Jundullah terrorist group, presumably in Pakistan, and funding and encouraging Jundullah to blow up targets in Iran. Among Jundullah operations was a July, 2010, bombing of a Shiite mosque in Zahedan in July of 2010– which killed 27 innocent civilians and injured 169. It was blamed by Shiite authorities on the United States. The province of Sistan and Baluchistan in Iran is dominated by members of the Baluch ethnic minority, who are Sunni and speak a distinctive Indo-Iranian language, in addition to Persian. Zahedan, the capital, has a lot of Persian Shiites from elsewhere in Iran. If the allegations are true, they indict the right wing Israeli government on several counts: 1. Of being involved in terrorist operations against civilians and, 2. Of falsely implicating the US government in those terrorist operations, shifting blame onto the CIA and also encouraging Iranian counter-attacks on Americans. Just to be clear, it is too soon to absolve US agencies from any involvement in Jundullah. But apparently from what Perry says, that would have been very indirect, through third or fourth parties. Washington is annotedthat Mossad made itit look direct, in hopes of provoking Iranian terrorism against the US and ginning up a war. Israeli right wing governments have often been perfidious “allies.” Their political agent in the United States, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), has assiduously spied on America, garnering military, technological and trade secrets. The spying is so normal that when AIPAC fired the longtime head of its Mideast bureau, Steven Rosen, was caught passing classified Pentagon documents to the Israeli embassy, he sued AIPAC on the grounds that he was only acting as AIPAC operatives routinely did, given the long history of domestic espionage conducted by that organization. Likewise, the assassination by Mossad operatives in Dubai of alleged Hamas figure Mahmoud al-Mabhouh involved massive identity theft by Israeli agents of names, passports and other information of nationals from countries considered friendly to Israel such as Australia and the UK. 1) Identity theft is wrong. 2) Stealing another person’s identity to commit murder is wrong, both because murder is a crime and because the consequences of the murder would then fall on an innocent. 3) Israel was clearly attempting to deflect a) international blame and any Hamas retaliation onto the innocent citizens of countries that supported Israel. That’s about as sleazy as you can get. In the peculiar American system of legalized bribery, AIPAC has bought most US congressmen by organizing thousands of Jewish and Christian Zionist groups to give money to Congressional campaigns. AIPAC ought to have to register as an agent of a foreign country, but is allowed to so function without any let or hindrance, by the FBI, which really ought to intervene here. The hypocrisy is so thick you could drown in it. The Israel lobbies have managed to configure the Hizbullah party-militia of Lebanon as a “terrorist” organization, when Hizbullah’s major military operations were defensive, aimed at expelling occupying, aggressive Israeli troops from Lebanese territory on which they had unlawfully squatted. But when Mossad (pretending to be Americans) buys Baluchi agents to blow up innocent worshippers in mosques in Zahedan, that is defined away as not terrorism. Not only will there be no consequences for Israel for endangering American lives by impersonating CIA field officers, but it won’t even be reported in most American news outlets that Israel may have done so. In fact, Jundullah itself has not been designated a terrorist organization by the US, and you would now want to look into whether the Israel lobbies have worked against such a designation. In fact, Israel will be rewarded for bad behavior be even more taxpayer money in “aid” (Israel’s per capita income is greater than some European countries and it doesn’t need any American taxpayer money as aid). And, far right wing and very pernicious Israeli demands such as the unilateral annexation of Jerusalem and gradual expulsion of its Palestinian inhabitants, have been obsequiously adopted by the Republican presidential candidates. ------------------------------------ http://www.juancole....ly-impersonated Edited June 28, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted June 29, 2012 Share Posted June 29, 2012 (edited) Baluchis say USA ! USA !! http://defenceforumi...enterprise.html Baloch likely to distribute sweets to welcome USS Enterprise - Baltimore Foreign Policy | Examiner.com Though Pakistan is fuming, Baloch all over the world are joyous that the USS Enterpise is close to the territorial waters of Balochistan near the port city of Gwadar. These Baloch are appealing to Balochistan leaders to come out openly and publicly in support of the U.S. carrier. You just love obscure sources which don't provide citations. So what do you think the US is about the attack Pakistan with an aircraft carrier to create an independent Balochistan? Edited June 29, 2012 by Len Colby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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