Harvey and Lee: John Armstrong

[Greg Parker]

6. In the Bolton Ford incident, which occurred on 1/20/61, while CLASSIC LHO was in Russia, Fred Sewell indicated that the man who identified himself as “Lee Oswald” wanted to buy trucks for the Friends of Democratic Cuba. Sewell wrote both “Oswald” and “Friends of Democratic Cuba” on the sales proposal. Do you really think there were two, completely unrelated “Lee Oswalds” associated with “Friends of Democratic Cuba?

Sewell is a worthless witness. He never came forward at the time and what he said is completely at odds with the actual salesman (Oscar Deslatte) involved AND the completed bid form.

Deslatte stated that only the surname Oswald was used - and that was all that was on the paperwork.

Using Sewell and ignoring Deslatte is yet another example of Armstrong's cherry-picking.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477&search=%22oscar_deslatte%22#relPageId=681&tab=page

What a laugh riot! Mr. Parker, mustering all the authority he can, declares what John did and didn't do but--by his own admission--Parker has not even read Harvey and Lee and therefore has NO IDEA what Armstrong did or didn't write. Had he bothered to read the book he spends a major portion of his life trying to debunk, he would have found the following short write-up, which hardly ignores Deslatte:

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 325-326:

January 20--Lee Oswald in New Orleans

On January 20, while Harvey Oswald was in Minsk, two men visited the Bolton

Ford dealership at 1483 North Claiborne in New Orleans. They spoke with Assistant

Manager Oscar Deslatte and said they were interested in purchasing 10 Ford Econoline

Trucks. As one of the men discussed the purchase with Deslatte the other man, who

identified himself as Joseph Moore, made a list of the equipment they desired on the

trucks.

Deslatte went to his boss, truck manager Fred Sewell, and told him about the

two men who wanted to purchase trucks and said they represented the "Free Democrats

of Cuba or some such organization." Sewell told Deslatte to give the men a bid of$75 over

their cost for the trucks. Deslatte and Sewell returned to Deslatte's desk and wrote out

a bid form to Joseph Moore. As Deslatte was filling out the bid form, Joseph Moore and

the other man began talking to both Deslatte and Sewell.⁴²

When Moore saw that Deslatte had written his name on the bid form he asked

that the name be changed to "Friends of Democratic Cuba." Moore's friend looked· at

the form and said, "By the way, you'd better put my name down there because I'm the

man handling the money." When Deslatte asked, "What's your name?" the man replied,

"Lee Oswald." ^61-04

Sewell described Lee Oswald as, "5-foot-6 or 5-foot-7, thin, about 140 pounds,

and thought he needed a meal and a haircut. He recalled that Oswald was clean but

"wasn't well dressed and he wasn't shabby." Sewell described the second man, who

identified himself as Joseph Moore as, "Kind of heavy-set ..... not overly, but well

built ..... he was curly haired ..... he had a scar over his left eye ..... olive complexioned and

seemed to be educated ..... he had a Cuban accent and looked like a Cuban."

Deslatte gave the original bid form to "Lee Oswald" and kept a copy for his files,

which he gave to the FBI following the assassination.^61-05 The purchaser was listed as

the "Friends of Democratic Cuba," 402 St. Charles Street, New Orleans, LA., phone

number JA-50763.⁴³ After talking with Deslate for over an hour the two men took the

original bid form and left.

NOTE: The Friends of Democratic Cuba was incorporated on January 9, 1961 in

Louisiana. The address of 40 2 St. Charles Street was listed as vacant in the 1960, 1961

and 1962 New Orleans City directories.

Oscar Deslatte, like Valentine Ashworth, Mrs. Davis, Marinez Malo, Marita Lorenz, and

many others, was ignored by FBI because his testimony, and the bid form, placed Lee

Oswald in the United States while the Warren Commission said Oswald was in Russia.

Mr. Parker will now drone on endlessly declaring total victory again and again and again....

And did either Deslatte or Sewell say that this person looked exactly like the historic Oswald?

But that was 'Harvey', and they witnessed 'Lee', who obviously must have been identical to the person plastered over the media and then shot by Ruby?

So they were identical after all. Planned as a paper exercise to meld two non related young boys' identities with a view to possible future espionage possibilities, they pass through adolescence and emerge with identical facial features! One goes to Russia whilst the other hides out in the USA. None of his friends wonder why he is out fishing when he is supposed to be in Russia. Or why he is buying trucks and using his 'real name' when he is part of a plot that necessitates that he keeps a very low profile. Your tea-boy, Gaal, said he was locked away in a safe-house. Now he says he went fishing a lot.

The truth is, that if there really was a Lee Oswald living in NO or Dallas at that time you haven't yet located him. You have absolutely nothing! No address. No citation. Nothing. All you know of him is that he went fishing a lot and, when allowed out of the house, he'd do that rebellious teenage doppelganger thing and deliberately blow his cover by buying trucks in his own name.

You can't possibly believe any of this nonsense Jim! Surely!

Well put, Bernie. Well put, indeed!

But Warning: Expect another frothing-at-the-mouth "smooth movement" data dump from at least one of the Three Amigos.

--Tommy

PS I'm starting to suspect that Harvey and Lee is an elaborate CIA disinfo project to divide and confuse JFK assassination researchers and students.

So sorry Jim. You're right. Armstrong didn't ignore Deslatte. He simply transported Sewell's words to Garrison's people back to 1964 and put them in Deslatte's mouth.

Did you read this at all?

"Moore then told him he should change the name on the bid form to "Oswald" - no first name given...."

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477&search=%22oscar_deslatte%22#relPageId=681&tab=page

[Jim Hargrove]

Harvey and Lee

I. The Fraudulent 1956 Tax Return

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 154-155:

February--Oswald's 1956 income tax return

Following the assassination of President Kennedy, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover

notified the Warren Commission that Oswald's 1955 tax return had been routinely de-

stroyed by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). They allegedly obtained a copy of his

1956 Federal income tax return (Commission Exhibit 90a) from the IRS on December

16, 1963, two days before the Commission requested they obtain the records.

The 1956 return was allegedly filled out by Oswald, signed, and mailed to the

IRS on February 7, 1957. The return was allegedly received by the District Director of

the Internal Revenue office in Fort Worth, Dallas, TX. the following day, February 8.^57-03

NOTE: It is difficult to believe the return was mailed from Camp Pendleton, Califor-

nia on February 7, 1957 and received in Dallas only one day later, on February 8,

1957.

The 1956 tax return (short form) given to the Warren Commission listed three

employers (J.R. Michels, Gerard F. Tujague, Pfisterer Dental Lab), their addresses,

gross wages, and withholding taxes. The information listed on this return is identical

with the income listed on the fabricated W-2 forms for J.R. Michels, Gerard F. Tujague,

Inc., and the Pfisterer Dental Lab. At first glance there appears to be no reason to

question either the single page tax return or the W-2 forms. On closer inspection, however,

there are enough errors and omissions to suggest that the 1956 return, like the W-2 forms, was

fabricated.

One error was the address listed for the J.R. Michels Company. On the 1956

return it was listed as 805 American Bank Bldg., but their office was located at on the 2nd

floor of 442 Canal Street in the Sanlin Building.

NOTE: The address on Oswald's 1956 income tax return and address on the J. R.

Michels W-2 form was the same address listed on cancelled payroll check which Nick

Mazza gave to the FBI on November 25, 1963; it was not the companies business

address at 442 Canal Street.

The most significant error, however, was that the return failed to include Oswald's

Marines Corps earnings of $111.00 on his 1956 tax return.⁶ It is difficult to believe that

Oswald, who had been in the Marines for the past 4 1/2 months and was in the Marines

when he allegedly signed and mailed the return, forgot to include this income. His Ma-

$111.00, was more than he allegedly earned from Gerard F. Tujague, Inc.

($80.46) or J.R. Michels ($80) in 1956.

Oswald's Marine Corps income may not have been included on the fabricated

1956 return for one simple reason. When the return was given to the Warren Commis-

sion, in December 1963, Oswald's income from the Marines was unknown. In fact,

Oswald's Marine Corps earnings remained unknown for the next 9 months. In Sep-

tember, 1964 the Department of the Navy finally provided certified payroll records to

the Commission. ^57-04

According to information on the 1956 tax return, Oswald should have received

a refund check in the amount of $64.70. Yet the FBI apparently made no attempt to

obtain a copy of the cancelled check, nor is there any indication that either Oswald or

Marguerite received or cashed such a check.

NOTE: The alleged refund check of $64.70 represented most of the federal income tax

that was allegedly withheld by J.R. Michels, Tujague's. and Pfisterer's. But if Oswald

never worked at Pfisterer's in 1956, then the IRS could not have issued a refund check

which consisted mostly of withholding taxes from Pfisterer's. In all probability, Oswald

never received a refund chick in the amount of $64.70, because one was never issued.

Once again, we see evidence that the FBI failed to conduct an honest investigation into

Oswald's background and we understand why. The purpose of the fabricated W-2 form,

and the fabricated 1956 tax return (one page short form), was simply to create the

illusion that Oswald worked at the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in 1956, instead of 1957-58

as reported by Palmer McBride.

II. The Fraudulent 1956 W-2 Forms

All the U.S. Government's “evidence” about “Lee Harvey Oswald's” employment in 1956 by J.R. Michels, Tujaques, Dolly Shoe and Pfisterer Dental Lab is fabricated, just like the so called 1956 tax return allegedly filled out by “Lee Harvey Oswald” which failed to include his Marine Corps income. Below is John's write-up explaining how and why the J.R. Michels W-2 form was fabricated.

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 138-140:

J. R. Michels W-2 form

According to the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police found the J. R. Michels

W-2 form among Oswald's possessions after the assassination. Each item found by Dallas

Police officers was initialed, dated, listed on their handwritten inventory, typed at Dallas

Police headquarters, and later printed in the Warren Volumes as Stovall Exhibit A & B

(items found at the Paine residence) and Turner Exhibit #1 (items found at 1026 N.

Beckley), and photographed. But the J.R. Michels W-2 form in the National Archives was not

initialed by Dallas Police officers, was not dated, was not listed on their inventory, and was not

photographed on the floor of the police station on November 22 or November 23.

Oswald's possessions were secretly removed from Dallas Police headquarters on

November 23 and taken to FBI headquarters in Washington, DC. The J.R. Michels W-

2 form was created between November 23 and November 25, probably at FBI headquar-

ters where it was initialed by laboratory technician Robert Frazier ("RF"). It was then

included among the items of evidence that were secretly returned to the Dallas Police

on November 26. The fabricated J.R. Michels W-2 form was then photographed by the

Dallas Police, and listed as item 175 on the joint FBI/Dallas Police inventory of Novem-

ber 26, 1963.⁵ The "items of evidence," including the J.R. Michels W-2 form, were then

returned within a few hours to FBI headquarters in Washington.

The joint Dallas Police/FBI inventory, published in Warren Volume 24, p. 334,

gave the J.R. Michels W-2 form the appearance of "legitimacy." In reality the J.R.

Michels W-2 form, and many other items of evidence, were fabricated in Washington,

DC while Oswald's possessions were in FBI custody from November 23-25, 1963.

NOTE: The J.R. Michels W-2 form ^56-03 was one of five W-2 forms listed on the joint

Dallas Police/FBI inventory of November 26, 1963 (the others are Dolly Shoe ^56-04,

Tujague's ^56-05/06, and the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory ^56-07). None of these W-2 forms con-

tains the initials of the Dallas Police detectives, none are listed in the DPD inventory of

November 22 and 23 (Stovall A ^56-08/09, Stovall B ^56-10, and Turner Ex. No 1^56-11/12), and

none were photographed in Dallas on November 22nd and 23rd. But all of the W-2 forms

contain the initials of FBI lab technician Robert Frazier (RF), and all appear on the

joint FBI/DPD inventory of November 26. Between November 23 and November 26,

all of these W-2 forms were fabricated while in FBI custody and were included among

Oswald's possessions when returned to the Dallas Police.

The most obvious sign of fabrication is the fact that all five W-2 forms, allegedly issued

by different companies in 1955 and 1956, were typed on the same typewriter-each W-2

form contains the same identical typewritten characters. To show that all of the W-2 forms

were typed with the same typewriter I made transparencies of the W-2 forms and then

overlaid them as indicated below:

* 1955 Dolly Shoe W-2 over 1955 Tujague W-2 ^56-13

* 1955 Dolly Shoe W-2 over 1956 Pfisterer W-2 ^56-14

* 1956 Pfisterer W-2 over 1956 Tujague W-2 ^56-15

Did Oswald actually work at J.R. Michels?

When I met with Frank DiBenedetto, I told him the Warren Commission said

that Oswald began working at J.R. Michels the day after he quit Tujague's. Frank told

me, "Oswald didn't work there (at J.R. Michels). He couldn't have worked there. We

are on the 3rd floor of this building (Sanlin Building, 442 Canal Street) and they were

one floor below us. We were in the same business. I was very good friends with Nick

(Mazza), the manager of J.R. Michels, and was in his offices nearly every day. We went

to lunch often and were good friends. If Oswald had worked for Nick, I would have

known it."⁶

The short, thin, Harvey Oswald could have worked at J .R. Michels for a few days

in January, 1956. If Frank visited J.R. Michels' office during this time, he would have no

reason to associate Harvey with the tall, well-built Lee Oswald who worked at Tujague's.

The J.R. Michels company had no employment file for Oswald, no payroll

records, no W-4 form, no copies of quarterly withholding tax filings, no year end W-2

forms, and no one remembered that Oswald worked there, including manager Nick

Mazza. The W-2 and W-4 forms allegedly obtained by the FBI are fabrications, yet they

were given to the Commission and are now located in the National Archives. The one

piece of evidence that may have been original, Oswald's payroll check found by Nick

Mazza, does not agree with the amounts listed on the W-2 form and disappeared while

in FBI custody. In the final analysis there is no proof that Harvey Oswald worked at J.R.

Michels, even though the Bureau created documentation which made it appear as though he did.

NOTE: The W-2 form, and possibly the payroll check found by Nick Mazza, may have

been fabricated in order to create the illusion that Oswald worked a few days at J.R.

Michels after his employment at Tujague's ended on January 14. It was crucial that the

FBI and/or the Warren Commission ''prove" that Oswald's employment at Tujague's

ended in January, because they desperately needed to show that Oswald worked at the

Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in the spring of 1956, before he returned to Fort Worth and

before he joined the Marines in October.

Pfisterer Dental Laboratory

The FBI became aware of Oswald's employment at the Pfisterer Dental Labo-

ratory through their interview with Palmer Edwin McBride on the evening of Novem-

ber 22nd, 1963. McBride told the FBI he met Oswald while working at the dental lab

in late 1957 and had worked with him until May of 1958.^{56-16/17/18/19}

When the FBI realized that Marine Corps records showed that "Lee Harvey

Oswald" was in Japan from September 1957 thru November 1958, they faced a serious

problem that threatened to expose the two Oswald's. ^56-20 Quite simply, one "Lee Harvey

Oswald" could not have been in New Orleans and Japan at the same time, and certainly

not for 8 months.

. . . .

III. Social Security Doesn't Lie about 1956

Why didn't the Social Security Admin count any of Oswald's employment income prior to the time he joined the U.S. Marine Corps?

According to SSA and IRS records, Oswald's income in 1962 and 1963, after he left the Marine Corps, was as follows:

Employer: William B. Reily & Co. = $422.25 and $191.25

Employer: Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall = $727.80 and $945.69 and $121.67

Employer: Leslie Welding = $636.50

Employer: Texas Book Depository = $261.68

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Grand Total = $3306.85

After Lee HARVEY Oswald was killed, and less than a month after receiving a completed "Application for Survivors Insurance Benefits" form filled out by Marina, the SSA office in Dallas had completed a "Determination of Award" form.

According to the Social Security Administration's “Determination of Award” form, the lifetime earnings of "Lee Harvey Oswald" amounted to $3306.85, exactly the amount of his 1962 and 1963 income. But what about Oswald's earlier income from Dolly Shoe, Tujague's, J.R. Michaels, and Pfisterer Dental Lab? Why isn't it included by the SSA? There are supposedly legitimate W-2 forms showing Social Security information for those employers as well. (You can see ALL the documents referred to here at: http://harveyandlee....ng/Unravels.htm)

On May 15, 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations chief counsel Robert Blakey wrote to the Social Security Administration requesting "access to all files and documents concerning or referring to Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald." On July 28, Social Security Administration associate commissioner Robert P. Bynum formally responded. In a three-page cover letter to Ms. Jackie Hess, an HSCA employee, Bynum cited 36 different documents that were being forwarded from the Social Security Administration to the HSCA.

Item 23 in the letter from the Social Security Administration to the HSCA states: "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report re employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."

Why didn't the Social Security Administration include any of Oswald's income from his first four employers in his lifetime earnings report? And why on earth was the Warren Report offered as an explanation?

The pre-Marine income reports of "Lee Harvey Oswald" are fraudulent. Why?

More about this topic, including all the documents referenced above, can be found HERE.

I'm STILL waiting for someone... ANYONE... to explain why the Social Security Administration failed to count ANY of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teenage employment income in his lifetime earnings report. After all, the FBI told us there were perfectly good W-2 forms from Dolly Shoe, Tujague's, J.R. Michaels, and Pfisterer Dental Lab for those LHO formative years. And then they showed us fine copies of the W-2 forms, which certainly would have been forwarded to the Social Security Administration regardless of anyone's opinion of Lee HARVEY Oswald and his teenage angst.

So why didn't the SSA include that income in "Oswald's" final earnings report? And why were "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report re employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps." offered by SSA as an explanation?

Is there a cover-up going all the way back to "Oswald's" teenage years?

Of course there is.

Read the proof here:

http://harveyandlee....ng/Unravels.htm

[Thomas Graves]

So they were identical after all. Planned as a paper exercise to meld two non related young boys' identities with a view to possible future espionage possibilities, they pass through adolescence and emerge with identical facial features! One goes to Russia whilst the other hides out in the USA. None of his friends wonder why he is out fishing when he is supposed to be in Russia. Or why he is buying trucks and using his 'real name' when he is part of a plot that necessitates that he keeps a very low profile. Your tea-boy, Gaal, said he was locked away in a safe-house. Now he says he went fishing a lot.

They were identical, yet when we look at different pictures of these identical people and agree that they indeed look identical (minus any jumbo schnozzes tacked on), the H&L crowd points out how different they are. Am I reading this right?

You got it, Randy. "Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy" and "Clustering Illusion Syndrome" (plus a dash of Circular Reasoning, Non Sequiturs, and General Hysteria) at it's very best worst. Add their innate Paranoia, and it's a real Witches Brew, poisoning the minds of gullible people around the world.

--Tommy .

Edited August 27, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Jim Hargrove]

Hey, Tommy,

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

You've been ducking this question for a long time.

[Jim Hargrove]

C'mon, Tommy, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

You've been ducking this issue for a long time. It's time to step up to the plate and take a swing!

Just do it!

[Thomas Graves]

C'mon, Tommy, PLEASE ANSWER THE QUESTION!

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

You've been ducking this issue for a long time. It's time to step up to the plate and take a swing!

Just do it!

Sorry Jim,

I won't try to disprove anything based on cherry-picked "evidence" or "documents" from a 1000-page book which, in turn, is based on premises as patently bogus as "The Moon Is made Out Of Green Cheese" or "JFK Was Killed Because He Was About To Reveal The Fact That We Are Living With Sodomite Aliens" theory.

It's just a losing ... uhhh... proposition.

--Tommy

Edited August 27, 2015 by Thomas Graves

[Jim Hargrove]

Sorry, Tommy,

The moon isn't made of green cheese, but...

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

Will you ever answer this simple question?

[Jim Hargrove]

C'mon, Tommy....

Please tell us why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

Please give us an answer or two. We're waiting!!!

[Thomas Graves]

Sorry, Tommy,

The moon isn't made of green cheese, but...

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

Will you ever answer this simple question?

No, Jim, I will never "answer" that question. Nor will I ever play Russian Roulette with an automatic pistol or attempt "fire walking" with my size 14 feet. (A big man needs big feet.)

And Why will I never attempt to answer that question (or any other you might pose to me regarding Lee and Harvey? For the answer to that question, please reread my previous post.

Now I have a question for you, Jim. "Have you ever ______ ___ ___ ___?" Aw, nevermind. I don't want to get kicked off this forum for "casting vicious aspersions."

Remember Jim: "In through the nose, out through the mouth....."

--Tommy

[Jim Hargrove]

Thanks, Tommy, for answering..... But I have to ask the same question again that you said you'd NEVER answer. . . . . .

===================QUOTE ON =======================

The moon isn't made of green cheese, but...

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

======================= QUOTE OFF =====================

Will you ever answer this simple question, Tommy?

[Jim Hargrove]

We're STILL WAITING!

[Thomas Graves]

We're STILL WAITING!

Deep breaths, Jim.....

You'll be okay in a few minutes.

[Greg Parker]

Thanks, Tommy, for answering..... But I have to ask the same question again that you said you'd NEVER answer. . . . . .

===================QUOTE ON =======================

The moon isn't made of green cheese, but...

Why didn't the Social Security Admin recognize any of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teen-aged employment?

======================= QUOTE OFF =====================

Will you ever answer this simple question, Tommy?

Have any of you ever contacted the Social Security Admin and asked them?

If not, why not?

Maybe it only includes "working life" income?

Working life income is used to assess pension entitlements and life insurance/superannuation payouts etc.

It is usually defined as income earned from a certain age to a nominal retirement age e.g. 16 to 65.

But you guys won't check it out in case you don't get the answer you want. You don't really know why it wasn't included, but it sure helps your cause to be able to attribute a nefarious reason!

Edited August 27, 2015 by Greg Parker

[Thomas Graves]

Okay, if you insist, here's my best answer for you, Jim.

"I have absolutely no effing idea. It's an effing mystery to me. But just like you, I'm sure it has evil effing implications."

LOL

--Tommy

[Bernie Laverick]

We're STILL WAITING!

All these little boy tantrums are because he was unable to address ridiculous issue of them looking identical.

Will you address that Jim?? You've been asked enough now.