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More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

:clapping:clapping:clapping

link http://www.ctka.net/2014/Davison%20update.html

"Anyway, today Davison has a new argument about the issue. Namely that Oswald did not really acquire the language until he got to the Soviet Union. Let us dissect this Davisonian drivel. There are four pieces of evidence which seriously undermine what she now proposes. First, back in 1974, Harold Weisberg unearthed the transcript of the Warren Commission's January 27, 1964 executive session meeting. That meeting contains a reference by Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin to the Commission's efforts "to find out what he [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages." (Philip Melanson, Spy Saga, p. 12) Note, Rankin did not say if Oswald studied there. He said he did study there."

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When did he study there ?? clap clap clap :clapping:clapping:clapping ,gaal

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Mr Non Seq strikes again.

And not even your non seq is accurate. Melanson got it wrong by taking the quote out of context. As I point out in my book, in context, Rankin was talking about Spanish, not Russian.

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Oswald learning Russian at the Monterrey Language School is but one of many myths that needs putting to the sword.

Do you have more non seq responses for me to destroy, or are you going to admit the truth? Oswald was NEVER the tallest kid in any class. Not EVER.

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Mr Non Seq strikes again.

And not even your non seq is accurate. Melanson got it wrong by taking the quote out of context. As I point out in my book, in context, Rankin was talking about Spanish, not Russian.

montereyschool.jpg

Oswald learning Russian at the Monterrey Language School is but one of many myths that needs putting to the sword.

Do you have more non seq responses for me to destroy, or are you going to admit the truth? Oswald was NEVER the tallest kid in any class. Not EVER.

Greg,

"Mere details. Spanish, Russian -- what's the difference?"

LOL

--Tommy :sun

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Mr Non Seq strikes again.

And not even your non seq is accurate. Melanson got it wrong by taking the quote out of context. As I point out in my book, in context, Rankin was talking about Spanish, not Russian.

montereyschool.jpg

Oswald learning Russian at the Monterrey Language School is but one of many myths that needs putting to the sword.

Do you have more non seq responses for me to destroy, or are you going to admit the truth? Oswald was NEVER the tallest kid in any class. Not EVER.

Greg,

"Mere details. Spanish, Russian -- what does it matter?"

LOL

--Tommy :sun

Tommy,

I think being generous, that perhaps since Rankin was under the impression LHO learned Spanish at the language school, but then was told his Spanish was not that great, he could be asking "well, if it wasn't Spanish he learned, what was it?" That really doesn't make sense though. Rankin knew the only language Oswald spoke fluently apart from English was Russian, so why not refer to Russian? If he was trying to hide that Oswald was actually TAUGHT Russian (as opposed to being self-taught), then why bring the language school up at all?

There is only one sensible interpretation. Rankin believed Oswald studied Spanish because Delgado testified Oswald spoke it pretty well (as opposed to having exceptional fluency). But then Marina came along and said said the opposite (as she often did). So that put some doubt in Rankin's about about what language he could have learned...

But whatever... Oswald never went there. He was an autodidact.

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More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

:clapping:clapping:clapping

link http://www.ctka.net/2014/Davison%20update.html

"Anyway, today Davison has a new argument about the issue. Namely that Oswald did not really acquire the language until he got to the Soviet Union. Let us dissect this Davisonian drivel. There are four pieces of evidence which seriously undermine what she now proposes. First, back in 1974, Harold Weisberg unearthed the transcript of the Warren Commission's January 27, 1964 executive session meeting. That meeting contains a reference by Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin to the Commission's efforts "to find out what he [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages." (Philip Melanson, Spy Saga, p. 12) Note, Rankin did not say if Oswald studied there. He said he did study there."

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When did he study there ?? clap clap clap :clapping:clapping:clapping ,gaal

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Melanson%20Philip/Item%2055.pdf

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More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

:clapping:clapping:clapping

link http://www.ctka.net/2014/Davison%20update.html

"Anyway, today Davison has a new argument about the issue. Namely that Oswald did not really acquire the language until he got to the Soviet Union. Let us dissect this Davisonian drivel. There are four pieces of evidence which seriously undermine what she now proposes. First, back in 1974, Harold Weisberg unearthed the transcript of the Warren Commission's January 27, 1964 executive session meeting. That meeting contains a reference by Chief Counsel J. Lee Rankin to the Commission's efforts "to find out what he [Oswald] studied at the Monterey School of the Army in the way of languages." (Philip Melanson, Spy Saga, p. 12) Note, Rankin did not say if Oswald studied there. He said he did study there."

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When did he study there ?? clap clap clap :clapping:clapping:clapping ,gaal

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Melanson%20Philip/Item%2055.pdf

Still trying to avoid addressing the CAP photo, I see?

You're the one claiming he went there, The burden of proof is on you to show when it was.

It's this simple really. If Rankin knew Oswald went there, then he would also know what he studied there. QED.

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GREG PARKER STILL avoiding FINDERS POST !!!

CAP photo small LEE people. Your the one claiming he went there he (LEE) saw smallish , The burden of proof is on you to show when it was he was smallish.

You're the one claiming he went there, The burden of proof is on you to show when it was.(PARKER QUOTE)

Rankin said he went there ,Not I, he must have gotten the idea from somewhere. ,GAAL

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I submit that the LHO Japan Japanese girlfriends were RUSSIAN Language teachers. WE have only LHO word for who most of them were.

Marina said LHO wanted to return to RUSSIA. Marina also said that LHO had an affair with a Japanese girl in the USA. I submit she also was a Russian language teacher.

He was already selected as a (a) patsy and this,"study" kept LHO in role and calm.

,gaal not autodidact

GREG PARKER STILL avoiding FINDERS POST !!!

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"...CAP photo small LEE people. Your the one claiming he went there he (LEE) saw smallish ..." Gaal

Talking of linguistic skills, where did Gaal learn such fluent gibberish?

Anything to say about little Tom Thumb Oswald at the CAP? But you keep saying 'Lee' was tall and stocky, so it must have been either 'Harvey' or yet another doppelganger posing in that photo (...'Harvey Lee and a spare makes three')

But 'Harvey' didn't knock about with David Ferrie you keep telling us...

So who is the tiny little fella that looks just like LHO in that CAP photo?

PS...Were there three Marguerites as well?

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I don't believe Marina's husband took the Russian course at Monterey. In 1970, it was a 47-week course. I don't know what it was in the late 1950s, but I do know Russian is a "Level 5" language in the Defense Language Institute (DLI). There is no "hole" in Oswald's service record that accounts for DLI training.

There is a way to learn about his military schooling. It is to get a copy of his DD 214. This form, DD 214, has been issued to each military service individual upon his or her separation from active service. Mine states my undergrad degree, my law school attendance, my rank, my service in Viet Nam, my attendance at the army's Intelligence School, and my attendance at DLI. Oswald's DD 214 would show the same sort of information.

No one, to my knowledge, has uncovered Oswald's DD 214.

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More shrieking like a stuck pig to hide the fact that you can't explain why the "tall, muscular, built like a footballer" Lee is the smallest, dweebiest kid in the CAP unit.

Jim's font size is bigger than Oswald!

:clapping:clapping:clapping

PHOTO EXPERT LAVERICK ( AND LAVERICK has MUCH EXPERIENCE PHOTOGRAPHY) can estimate the size of the LHO fellow in the CAP photo ?? ITs all relative ,how big are the other fellows ?? How far (far ) back is LHO ???

IF no to size estimate ......no real anti-H & L discovery here. The anti H & L crowd = equals = zero font evidence in this area,gaal

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PHOTO EXPERT LAVERICK ( AND LAVERICK has MUCH EXPERIENCE PHOTOGRAPHY) can estimate the size of the LHO fellow in the CAP photo ?? ITs all relative ,how big are the other fellows ?? How far (far ) back is LHO ???

IF no to size estimate ......no real anti-H & L discovery here. The anti H & L crowd = equals = zero font evidence in this area,

gaal

Steve,

Mate, really... you guys show a class photo where you can't see the whole body and claim that proves he was the biggest, huskiest kid in the class -- even though he doesn't even appear to be the biggest in the row he is in.

The CAP photo shows CLEARLY that he is the smallest in that group and appears to lack any apparent muscle tone or bulk.

How big are the other kids? Who knows? It doesn't matter. The biggest kid in the class is NOT going to be the smallest kid in the CAP.

All this cock and bull about how far back he is? Get serious. Do you want to run a poll on how everyone else sees his height as being relative to the others?

Or to put the poll question simply: Is Lee Oswald the smallest person in that photo?

Yes

No

Can't tell

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What's happened to the other members of the Big Font tribe?

I know one is busy queuing up to have his bottom smacked at another forum, so he's excused, but where o where is the other one? Wasn't he threatening to post more of the Bible here?

Maybe he's been sent to the Western Font?

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"...CAP photo small LEE people. Your the one claiming he went there he (LEE) saw smallish ..." Gaal

Talking of linguistic skills, where did Gaal learn such fluent gibberish?

Anything to say about little Tom Thumb Oswald at the CAP? But you keep saying 'Lee' was tall and stocky, so it must have been either 'Harvey' or yet another doppelganger posing in that photo (...'Harvey Lee and a spare makes three')

But 'Harvey' didn't knock about with David Ferrie you keep telling us...

So who is the tiny little fella that looks just like LHO in that CAP photo?

PS...Were there three Marguerites as well?

Bernie,

He could well believe that there were multiple Marguerites and Oswalds. After all, that is what Jack White believed and he was Armstrong's mentor and sort of a "Godfather" of the H&L theory. BTW, I have been enjoying the job you and Greg and Tommy have been doing on these guys lately, great work!

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So the assumption here is a boy's height in 7th grade determines his size a few years later... It's your contention that a 5'4" 13 year old could not be a 5'7" 16 year old. (yes Bernie, 'your' is not the same as 'you're' - speaking of linguistic skills).

And then become a 5'11' 20 year old.

You can show how that's not possible or just keep asking questions with that lost look on your faces like you're making some amazing point here.

Tell us how tall that boy is please. You know how tall Ferrie was?

Sometimes boys will grow up before filling out. But since you are so sure that's not Lee, I guess it's down to your words versus Palmer.

I'll take the guy who was there every time over witless speculation & your faith-based beliefs.

But at least now you are trying harder to see the differences between the two people. There's hope for you boys yet.

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