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Harvey and Lee: John Armstrong

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STRIPLING SCHOOL

While New Orleans-born LEE Oswald attended Beauregard Junior High School in New Orleans for 89 days during the fall term of 1954, Russian-speaking HARVEY Oswald went to Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth. According to the Warren Report, “Oswald” never attended Stripling. I should have included Stripling School in my list of Top 10 reasons to believe in Harvey and Lee, but didn't. Hopefully, this post will rectify that omission.

Included at the end of the write-up are links to YouTube interviews with Stripling's 1954 vice-principal Frank Kudlaty and Harvey's Stripling classmate Fran Schubert. Posted with permission of John Armstrong.

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 94–103:

September-November, 1954: Harvey Oswald in Fort Worth

When Myra DaRouse returned to Beauregard in the fall of 1954 she was not

assigned a homeroom, and never again saw her friend and former homeroom student,

Harvey Oswald. She didn't know that Harvey and the older, dumpy, heavy-set "Mar-

guerite Oswald" imposter already left New Orleans and moved to Fort Worth. They

moved into a small apartment at 2220 Thomas Place, and Harvey began attending 9th

grade classes at W.C. Stripling Junior High--once again without transcripts from his previ-

ous school (Beauregard). The Warren Commission, either unaware or wanting to avoid

Stripling, reported that "Lee Harvey Oswald" attended the 9th grade at Beauregard Jun-

ior High in New Orleans in the fall of 1954.

Warren Report, p. 679

"He entered the ninth grade (Beauregard Junior High in New Orleans) in Sep-

tember and again received mediocre but acceptable marks."

The Warren Commission reported that Oswald attended the 7th grade and the

first half of the 8th grade in New York City. They reported that he completed the last

half of the 8th grade and all of the 9th grade at Beauregard Junior High in New Orleans.

But the Commission never attempted to resolve the following portion of Robert Oswald's testimony,

which I read for the first time in 1993:

Mr. Jenner: And, at that time, I take it your brother Lee was attending Arling-

ton Heights High School? That would be 1952?

Mr. Oswald: Just a minute please. In 1952 Lee was 13 years old. He would be

attending W.C. Stripling Junior High School then.

Mr. Jenner: I see. For the school year 1951-52?

Mr. Oswald: Yes, sir. Junior high school there was from the seventh to the ninth

grades. And as soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea Elementary School,

he started attending W.C. Stripling Junior High school.

At this point Jenner realized there was a problem and intimated that Robert's answer was

wrong by questioning his answer. (Oswald was supposed to be attending junior high school

in New York in the fall of 1952-not in Fort Worth).

Mr. Jenner: As soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea Elementary School,

he entered W.C. Stripling High School as a seventh grader?

Mr. Oswald: Yes, sir-junior high school.

Mr. Jenner: Now, the condition that you described ...... 31 54-16

Robert Oswald's testimony conflicted with the Beauregard junior high school

records published by the Warren Commission. Albert Jenner's reluctance to resolve the

discrepancy, and his intentional changing of the subject matter to avoid any further dis-

cussion about Stripling, indicates that he was aware of the conflict. Neither Jenner nor

any member of the Commission attempted to question Robert further about his state-

ment, inquire as to his knowledge that Oswald attended Stripling, or obtain Stripling

school records.

Robert Oswald's knowledge of Stripling

In 1959, after Lee Harvey Oswald "defected" to Russia, Robert Oswald was

interviewed by reporters in Fort Worth. He innocently told Fort Worth Star Telegram

reporter Jack Douglas (and other Fort Worth reporters) that his brother went to Strip-

ling Junior High School and thought he attended Arlington Heights High School.32This

was 5 years before Robert told the same story to the Warren Commission.

In June 1961, the Secret Service received an FBI report and a newspaper article

which said that Oswald had attended Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth. 54-17

In June 1962, when Harvey Oswald was returning to the United States from

Russia, an article appeared in the Fort Worth Star Telegram. Once again Robert Oswald

told reporters that his brother attended Stripling Junior High School and Arlington

Heights High School."33

Robert Oswald stated publicly, on three separate occasions over a 5-year period,

that his brother attended Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth. The Commission could

only ignored Robert Oswald's references to Stripling. They reported that after complet-

ing the 6th grade in 1952, Lee Harvey Oswald attended junior high in New York and

New Orleans, and did not return to Fort Worth until the summer of 1956.

Could Robert have been mistaken?

Robert Oswald joined the Marines in July 1952 and was not living in Fort Worth

during the fall when his brother was supposed to attend junior high. I considered the pos-

sibility that Robert assumed that his brother entered Stripling after finishing elementary

school, because this was the same school he (Robert) attended in the fall of 1948. But

if Lee Oswald and his mother had remained in Fort Worth in the fall of 1952, Lee would

have transferred to nearby Monnig Junior High, not Stripling.

On August 21, 1948, prior to the beginning of school, Marguerite sold her house

and drove with Lee in her 1948 Dodge to New York City. Two months later Robert

Oswald visited his mother and brother in New York, shortly after Lee entered the 7th

grade.34 Robert again visited Lee and Marguerite in New York in the summer of 1953,

when Lee was between the 7th and 8th grades at PS #44.35 Robert's visits to New York

make it nearly impossible to believe that he could have assumed his younger brother

attended Stripling in the 7th grade.

After Robert was discharged from the Marines, in July 1955, he briefly resided

with Lee and Marguerite at their apartment on Exchange Place in New Orleans. Lee had

recently graduated from the 9th grade at Beauregard Junior High and, according to

Robert, was working for an export firm. If anyone knew where Lee Harvey Oswald at-

tended all of his junior high school years, it was Robert Oswald. So why would Robert tell

reporters in 1959 and 1962, and tell the Warren Commission in 1964, that his "brother" had

attended Stripling? Because Robert was telling the Commission about his limited knowledge of

Harvey Oswald's background.

Helping to merge the identities of Harvey and Lee

Robert's statements relating to his brother's attendance at Stripling, made to

reporters in 1959 and 1962 and the Warren Commission in 1964, were intended to show

that the Lee Harvey Oswald who "defected" to Russia in 1959 was Robert's brother. But

the "defector" was not Robert's brother and, from all indications, Robert knew it.

John Pic said that Robert drove his car to New Orleans during the summer of

1956 in order to pick up Lee Harvey Oswald and Marguerite and then drove them to

Fort Worth. In Fort Worth Oswald's neighbors at 4936 Collinwood recalled that Rob-

ert lived with Marguerite and Lee Harvey Oswald in the apartment for about four

months.36 The apartment was close to both Stripling (a few blocks south) and Arling-

ton Heights High School (several blocks south). As we shall see, the boy who lived with

the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter and Robert Oswald at the

Collinwood apartment was Harvey.

Five years earlier Robert Oswald attended Stripling Junior High as a 9th grade

student (1948-49), and then attended Arlington Heights High School as a sophomore

(1949-50) and a junior (1951-52). Harvey also attended Stripling as a 9th grade student

( 1954 ), and in the fall of 1956 enrolled at Arlington Heights as a sophomore. Both boys

had attended the 9th and 1Oth grades at the same schools and it is likely they discussed

teachers and friends from both Stripling and "Heights," during the four months they

lived together at 4936 Collinwood.

Understanding Robert Oswald's testimony

Following the assassination of President Kennedy Robert Oswald's public state-

ments in 1959 and 1962, concerning Lee Harvey Oswald's attendance at Stripling, be-

came a potentially serious problem. In the author's opinion, Robert tried to explain his

earlier statements to the press by telling the Commission that his brother attended Strip-

ling before he left Fort Worth and moved to New York.

Robert's statement, "As soon as he finished the sixth year at Ridglea Elemen-

tary School, he started attending W.C. Stripling Junior High school," caught the atten-

tion Commission Attorney Albert Jenner, who recognized the potential conflict and had

no intention of allowing Robert to elaborate.

Robert's statement about Stripling went unchallenged for years, as did his con-

tinual public pronouncements that "Lee Harvey Oswald" lived in a fantasy world and

assassinated the President. From interviews with reporters, FBI agents, Warren Com-

mission testimony, his book Lee, and numerous television interviews, Robert Oswald's

position is very clear--he supports the Warren Commission's conclusion that "Lee Harvey

Oswald" killed President Kennedy, while knowing full well that man was not his brother.

Harvey Oswald at Stripling in the fall of 1954

The Warren Commission ignored Robert Oswald's testimony about Stripling

and concluded that "Lee Harvey Oswald" left Fort Worth in August of 1952, and moved

to New York with his mother where he attended the 7th grade (1952-53) and the first

half of the 8th grade (fall semester, 1953). He then moved to New Orleans where he at-

tended the last half of the 8th grade (spring semester, 1954), all of the 9th grade (1954-

55 school year), and graduated from Beauregard in June 1955. He briefly attended

Warren Easton High School in the fall of 1955 (New Orleans), dropped out, worked in

New Orleans for the next 8 months, and then moved to Fort Worth.

According to Warren Commission version of his background, it would have been impos-

sible for "Lee Harvey Oswald" to have attended even a single day of school at Stripling Junior

High in Fort Worth, from September 1952 thru June 1956.

After reading Robert Oswald's testimony, I wrote a letter to the principal of W.C.

Stripling, Mr. Ricardo Galindo, and asked if there were any records of Oswald's atten-

dance at Stripling.37 Mr. Galindo telephoned and said that while he did not have pos-

session of such records, it was "common knowledge" that Oswald attended Stripling.

He said all school records had been turned over to the Fort Worth Independent School

District many years ago, and suggested that I contact them to see if they had any records.

In late 1993 I made an appointment with Mr. Ralph Waller of the FWISD, 100

North University, in Fort Worth. I met Mr. Waller and his friend, Billy J. Sills, a retired

resident of Fort Worth who was devoting his time to setting up an historical archive for

the District. When I asked if the District had any school records for "Lee Harvey

Oswald," Mr. Waller instructed a co-worker to review their microfilm and provide me

with copies of any records. When I asked if there was a list of teachers who taught at

Stripling in 1954 Mr. Waller said they had no such list, but Billy Sills said he would check

his records and then left.

Mr. Waller explained that students who graduated from Ridglea West Elemen-

tary School prior to the 1951-1952 school year would have gone to Stripling Junior High.

Students who graduated from Ridglea West Elementary School during or after the 1951-

52 school year would have attended Monnig Junior High School, which opened in the

fall of 1952. Oswald graduated from Ridglea West in the spring of 1952, and a copy of

his school transcripts should have been sent to Monnig Junior High--not Stripling.

NOTE: Only Marguerite Oswald's notification that the family was moving to New York

would have prevented Ridglea West Elementary from automatically forwarding a copy

of Oswald's school transcripts to Monnig. Such a request was not made because the New

York school records did not contain any school transcripts from Ridglea West Elemen-

tary.

After researching their microfilm records, Mr. Waller's co-workers did not find

any of Oswald's school transcripts, which meant the original records and carbon copies

disappeared prior to 1964 (probably confiscated by the FBI in 1963 ). The only records

they located were enrollment cards from 1951 and 1952 for Ridglea West Elementary

School.

NOTE: Prior to the mid-1960's, each Fort Worth school archived school records on site.

In the mid-1960's records from all Fort Worth schools were transferred to a central

warehouse at the Fort Worth Independent School District and microfilmed.

As I was leaving Mr. Waller's office, Billy Sills returned and gave me a handwrit-

ten list of 41 teachers who had taught at Stripling Junior High during the 1951-1952

school year, along with their most recent address and telephone number.54-18

Stripling faculty members

After many hours of long distance telephone calls, I managed to contact a sur-

prising number of former Stripling teachers, although many were deceased. One man

I spoke with was Mark Summers, a former gym teacher, who began his 1 0-year tenure

at Stripling in September 1950, one year after Robert Oswald graduated from the school

( 1949). Mr. Summers said that "Lee Harvey Oswald" was a student in his gym class for

a short time, but remembered little about him.

NOTE: Mr. Summers could not have mistakenly remembered Robert Oswald in his class,

because Robert graduated from Stripling the year before he began teaching.

As I continued to locate and talk with former Stripling teachers, many suggested

that I call "Frank Kudlaty," the former assistant principal at Stripling. I telephoned Mr.

Kudlaty, introduced myself as a JFK researcher, and asked if he knew whether or not

"Lee Harvey Oswald" had attended Stripling. Without hesitation Frank said, "Yes, he

attended Stripling." Somewhat surprised I asked, "How do you know that." Frank re-

plied, "Because I gave his Stripling records to the FBI."

I was momentarily stunned by Frank's answer, and asked him to tell me what

he remembered in detail. He explained, "Early on the morning following the assassi-

nation, Saturday morning, I was telephoned by my boss, Mr. (Weldon) Lucas (Princi-

pal of Stripling), and told to go to school and meet two FBI agents. I lived close to the

school at that time and arrived at the school before they (FBI Agents) got there. I went

into the school and located Oswald's records. In fact I found both Lee Harvey and Rob-

ert Oswald's records for Stripling. I opened Lee Harvey Oswald's folder and briefly

looked over his records and noted that he had attended less than a full semester at Strip-

ling. He had been there long enough to receive grades for a 6-week period, but not long

enough to receive semester grades. I think he was in the 9th grade. I put the records

back into the folder and waited for the FBI agents. When they arrived, they showed me

their badges for identification, and asked for the records. I told them that I had located

both Lee Harvey and Robert Oswald's school records and asked if they wanted both.

They told me they only wanted 'Lee Harvey Oswald's' records. After I handed the

records to them they thanked me and left. I locked up the school and went home."38

Frank went on to explain that Stripling did not have a copy machine and nei-

ther of the agents gave him a receipt for the records. He said that no one, except my-

self, had ever asked him about Oswald's records at Stripling Junior High.

After speaking with Frank, I made arrangements to visit him and his wife,

Marlene, at their home in Waco, Texas. Frank graduated from Texas Christian Univer-

sity (TCU), began teaching at Stripling in the fall of 1951, and by 1963, was the assis-

tant principal. After leaving Stripling, Frank became the Superintendent of Schools in

Waco, Texas, a position he held until his retirement in 1987. In 1979 the US State De-

partment asked the American Association of School Administrators to select a 25-mem-

ber team of educators to travel to the Peoples Republic of China and advise the Chi-

nese government on education. Frank was one of the educators chosen to attend, and

traveled to China in November 1979.

Frank explained, during a videotaped interview, that before the FBI agents

arrived at Stripling on Saturday morning (November 23), he briefly reviewed Oswald's

school file. He explained that when a student enrolled in a new school, in this case at

Stripling, the previous school routinely sent copies of his school transcripts. Occasion-

ally, if the records were not sent, the new school would write and request copies of the

school records from the previous school. Frank said that when he examined Oswald's

file he saw neither copies of school transcripts from a previous school nor a letter from

Stripling requesting such records. Frank said this was very unusual, as Oswald must have

attended school prior to his attendance at Stripling, yet there were no records.

Frank said the Stripling records showed that Oswald received grades for one 6-

week grade period, had attended a second grade period, but had not completed the fall

semester.

NOTE: Harvey Oswald's failure to complete a full semester of school at PS # 117 or at

PS #44 in New York continued at Stripling. His inability to complete a full semester was

probably due to his inability to provide transcripts from previous schools. This was

probably the reason he dropped out of Stripling and returned to New Orleans with the

short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" imposter in late 1954.

Frank explained that when students graduated or were transferred from Strip-

ling, copies of their Stripling transcripts were sent to the new school along with a cover

letter. Once again, Frank saw no indication that copies of Oswald's transcripts from

Stripling had been forwarded to any school. The only school records in Oswald's file

were those created by his attendance at Stripling, which Frank said was very unusual.

NOTE: Copies of Oswald's school transcripts from the 8th grade at Beauregard should

have been in Oswald's file at Stripling.

Copies of Oswald's school transcripts from the fall semester of 1954 (9th grade) at Strip-

ling should have been forwarded to Warren Easton High School in New Orleans where

Harvey Oswald entered the 10th grade in the fall of 1955.

After talking with Frank, I realized that certain FBI official(s) had to have known

about Lee Harvey Oswald's Stripling Junior High attendance prior to the assassination,

which probably meant they also knew about the existence of two Oswalds. Otherwise,

why were two agents sent to Stripling to confiscate junior high school records less than

20 hours after the assassination? And why would the FBI be interested in Oswald's

records from junior high school? ..... Because those records proved that Harvey Oswald attended

Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth at the same time that Lee Oswald attended Beauregard

Junior High in New Orleans. If both of these school records were made public, they would

expose the two Oswalds and the agency responsible for merging the identity of the ac-

cused Presidential assassin with New Orleans-born Lee Harvey Oswald. Needless to say,

the Stripling records disappeared.

NOTE: In the mid-1990 s I wrote to the Assassination Records Review Board and pro-

vided them with Frank Kudlaty s name, address, a synopsis of his statements to me, and

a copy of the videotaped interview. Franks name appears on several internal ARRB

memos, but no one contacted him. The ARRB s avoidance of personal contact with Frank

Kudlaty followed the FBI/WC/HSCAs practice of ignoring troublesome witnesses.

Monnig Junior High

Frank Kudlaty knew the principal of Monnig Junior High, Mr. Ree Bostick, for

many years and talked with him after the assassination. Mr. Bostick told Frank that FBI

agents also visited his school and asked for Lee Harvey Oswald's school records.39 Mr.

Bostick did know which records, if any, were give to the agents. If there were records,

they were probably copies of Oswald's records from Ridglea West Elementary that were

forwarded to Monnig. I spent several weeks trying to locate Mr. Bostick, and finally

learned that he died years ago. I did locate and visit his widow at a rest home in Fort

Worth, but she had no knowledge of any discussions between her husband and the FBI.

NOTE: Only notification by Marguerite Oswald of their move to New York in the fall

of 1952 would have prevented Ridglea West from routinely forwarding carbon copies of

Oswald's transcripts to Monnig.

The Stripling records disappear

I knew that Oswald's original New York school records and court file disap-

peared while in FBI custody and was almost certain the Stripling records suffered a

similar fate. Nevertheless, I searched for Stripling records at the National Archives, in

the FBI microfilm, in the Warren Volumes, and at the Fort Worth Independent School

District, but without success. I then filed a Freedom of Information request with the

FBI and asked for any and all Stripling records, FBI reports relating to Stripling, and FBI

reports relating to Frank Kudlaty. On May 14, 1994, I received a reply from the FBI

which stated "a search of the indices to our central records system files at FBI Head-

quarters revealed no record responsive to your request." 54-19

Former Stripling Junior High students

In November 1994, I attended the Assassination Symposium on Kennedy (ASK

Convention) at the Adolphus Hotel in Dallas. During breakfast with fellow researcher

Robert Groden, I learned that he was scheduled to be interviewed by Kevin McCarthy

on KLIF radio later in the day. I explained my interest in Oswald's attendance at Strip-

ling to Robert and asked for a favor. I wanted Robert, during his radio interview on

KLIF, to ask if anyone in the listening audience had attended Stripling Junior High with

Oswald.

After finishing the radio interview, Robert called me and said that two people

had responded to his request by calling the station. The first caller was a man named

"Don," who said he had lived close to Oswald when he attended Stripling, but left no

phone number. The second person was Franzetta (Schubert) Tubbs, who left her name

and phone number.

I immediately contacted Franzetta and asked her what she remembered about

Oswald. Fran explained that she entered Stripling in 1953 as a 7th grade student, but

was somewhat overwhelmed by the large school and hardly spoke to anyone.

The next year, in the 8th grade, she felt more comfortable with her surround-

ings and made many new friends. Fran lived at 4104 Valentine Street, which was sev-

eral blocks from Stripling, and was not close enough for her to walk home during lunch.

She reluctantly took a sack lunch to school and, when the weather was nice, sat on the

west side of the school to eat her lunch. Fran told me, "I used to watch with envy as

some of the kids got to walk home for lunch, while I had to stay at school."

NOTE: The Stripling school grounds cover an entire city block in an older middle-class

residential area a few miles southwest of downtown Fort Worth. The school building is

located on the northern portion of the block, with the front of the school facing east on

Clover Lane, and the rear of the school facing west on Thomas Place. The southern por-

tion of the school property contains basketball courts, baseball, football, and track fields,

and is surrounded by a chain link fence.

At noon Fran used to watch one of the students leave the building, walk through

the basketball courts, cross the street (Thomas Place), and enter a white house with a

large front porch. The student, clearly remembered by Fran, was "Lee Harvey Oswald."

Fran remembered that Oswald was a skinny kid who wore a dark brown leather jacket,

blue jeans, and was very quiet. She also remembered Oswald's "mother," who she said

was heavy-set and always wore a white nurse's uniform. Fran was in the 8th grade and

had no classes with Oswald, who was in the 9th grade, but saw him between classes and

in the hallways. She said, "He wasn't there too long and the one thing I remember

clearly was him walking home for lunch .... .it made me mad that he could go home for

lunch and I couldn't. I only saw him for a short time at the beginning of.my 8th grade

year at Stripling, which would be the 1954-55 school year. "40

2220 Thomas Place

In 1996 I videotaped an interview with Fran on the west side of the Stripling

school grounds. She pointed to the location, on the west side of Thomas Place, where

Oswald walked home for lunch. In 1954, the building in which Oswald lived was located

at 2220 Thomas Place. It was a small, older, one story, white duplex apartment with a

wide front porch. In the late 1970's the building was torn down and replaced with a

newer, two story, wood frame duplex. Nearly all of the houses in the neighborhood sur-

rounding Stripling were built in the 1920's and 1930's and are still in very good condi-

tion. Curiously, the duplex at 2220 Thomas Place was the only building in the neighborhood that

was torn down and replaced with a newer structure.

The address of 2220 Thomas Place, behind Stripling Junior High, caused me

to remember my interview with Georgia Bell. In the fall of 1947 Georgia's neighbor,

Lucille Hubbard, drove the short, dumpy, heavy-set Marguerite to a house to pick up

some clothes after she got a job as a nurse. The house, according to Mrs. Hubbard, "was

next to the Stripling School." Seven years later, in the fall of 1954, Harvey Oswald lived

in the rear apartment at 2220 Thomas Place and attended Stripling, while his short,

dumpy, heavy-set "caretaker/mother" worked as a nurse. Nine years later, on Novem-

ber 22, 1963, the same woman, the short, dumpy, heavy-set "Marguerite Oswald" im-

poster occupied the same rear apartment and still worked as a practical nurse. The co-

incidences were unmistakable--in 1947, 1954, and 1963 the short, dumpy, heavy-set

"Marguerite Oswald" imposter was linked with 2220 Thomas Place. I decided to check

the land ownership records and Fort Worth city directories for residents of 2220 Tho-

mas Place.

Residents of 2220 Thomas Place

In 1940 the duplex at 2220 Thomas Place was purchased by Edna Pendleton.

There were two apartments-one in the front (apt. "A"), and one in the rear (apt. "B").

In 1946 and 1947 Mrs. Rufie Cox occupied apartment "A," while Erwin and Velda

Schmutz occupied apartment "B." From 1948 thru 1954 Mrs. Rufie Cox occupied apart-

ment "A," but there was no listing for anyone in apartment "B." In 1955, Mrs. Rufie Cox

occupied apartment "A," and W. A. Hazelwood occupied apartment "B."

On February 13, 1963 the property was purchased by Mary Ann McCarthy, al-

legedly a close friend of Fort Worth attorney Fred Korth. Korth represented Edwin

Ekdahl in his 1947 divorce from Marguerite Oswald, became Secretary of the Navy, and

resigned his position only one month before the assassination. The 1964 and 1965 Fort

Worth city directories show the tenant in apartment "B" as M. C. Oswald. In 1978 the

property was sold to John H. Clarke and soon the small duplex was torn down and re-

placed by a new two story, wood frame building.

1953-54 Stripling student directory

I was anxious to see if I could locate other Stripling students who knew Oswald,

and asked Fran if she had a yearbook, photos, or a student directory. Fran said that Strip-

ling did not have yearbooks, she had no photos of Oswald, but she did have a 1953-54

Stripling Student directory. 54-20 Even though the directory was printed the y ear before

Harvey attended Stripling (fall, 1954 ), I began looking through it to see if any names

were familiar.

On page 29 there was an entry for an 8th grade student who lived at 3513 Dor-

othy Lane. The student's name was Paul Gregory, the son of Russian emigre Peter Paul

Gregory. 54-21 In the fall of 1954 both Paul Gregory and Harvey Oswald attended Strip-

ling and both were in the 9th grade. Eight years later, in the summer of 1962, their paths

crossed again.

In June 1962, after Harvey Oswald returned from Russia, he sought out Paul

Gregory's father, Peter Paul Gregory, who taught Russian classes. Peter Gregory spoke

with Oswald and then wrote a "to whom it may concern" letter regarding Oswald's pro-

ficiency in the Russian language.

In the fall of 1962 Paul Gregory was studying Russian at the University of

Oklahoma and, during the Thanksgiving holidays, drove Harvey Oswald, Marina, and

their daughter to Robert Oswald's home for dinner (1962). In November, 1963, following

the assassination of President Kennedy, Paul Gregory showed up as an interpreter for

Marina Oswald.

Stripling students remember Oswald

I searched Fran's 1953-54 student directory and Fort Worth City Directories in

an attempt to locate people who had lived near 2220 Thomas Place in the fall of 1954.

I located Bobby Pitts, who lived next door at 2224 Thomas Place during the 1954-55

school y ear. Bobbie was in the l0th grade at Arlington Heights High School but his

102younger brother, Jackie (2 years younger), attended Stripling. Bobbie remembered that

when he and some of the neighborhood boys played touch football in his front yard, Lee

Harvey Oswald would stand on the porch at 2220 Thomas Place and watch.

JFK researcher Dave Reinmuth put me in contact with Doug Gann, a former

Stripling student who had attended school with Oswald. Gann said that he attended

school with Oswald in the 9th grade (1954-55) and may have been in the same

homeroom. He remembered that after school Oswald would shoot baskets on the bas-

ketball courts, and said that he lived "across the street from the basketball courts and

one or two houses to the left (south)." The location Mr. Gann described was the duplex

formerly located at 2220 Thomas Place--the same house identified by Fran Schubert.

NOTE: While Harvey was attending Beauregard, New Orleans school transcripts re-

corded no absences in the fall of 1954 for Lee Oswald. 54-22

CLICK HERE for YouTube interview with Stripling vice-principal Frank Kudlaty.

CLICK HERE for YouTube interview with Harvey Oswald's schoolmate, Fran Schubert.

CLICK HERE for more about the early years of Harvey and Lee.

For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

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For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

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According to YOU, Kurian accurately guessed "Harvey" to be about 4' 8" (or 56") which puts "Harvey" inside the 2.5% of the population you claim to be so unlikely. That's fine with me. Except there was NO "Harvey" - it was Lee.

As for the cards -- the 5 days absence matches the absences for 53-54 and that is also what the FBI reported. You know - the same FBI who you stick by religiously when they write something that suits YOUR argueemnt - like the 200 days BS you rabbit on and on about every time you're trapped.

You gonna read this post and respond to it Greg - or just start in again playing cointelpro tactics?

2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the 'How dare you!' gambit. (or in your case "you got nothing")

9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues except with denials they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect.

13. Alice in Wonderland Logic. Avoid discussion of the issues by reasoning backwards or with an apparent deductive logic which forbears any actual material fact. (Tautologies)

18. Emotionalize, Antagonize, and Goad Opponents. If you can't do anything else, chide and taunt your opponents and draw them into emotional responses which will tend to make them look foolish and overly motivated, and generally render their material somewhat less coherent. Not only will you avoid discussing the issues in the first instance, but even if their emotional response addresses the issue, you can further avoid the issues by then focusing on how 'sensitive they are to criticism.'

Eight Traits of the Disinformationalist - DJ: Just a FYI for those following along any resembleance to persons alive or dead is purely coincidental

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1) Avoidance. They never actually discuss issues head-on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.

4) Teamwork. They tend to operate in self-congratulatory and complementary packs or teams. Of course, this can happen naturally in any public forum, but there will likely be an ongoing pattern of frequent exchanges of this sort where professionals are involved. Sometimes one of the players will infiltrate the opponent camp to become a source for straw man or other tactics designed to dilute opponent presentation strength.

Did you not state repeatedly that 168 + 12 is 180 and that 12 represents the absences for 1954-55 school year?

The cards for the 54-55 school year DO NOT SHOW 12 ABSENCES....

again more slowly... DO.... NOT..... SHOW.... 12..... ABSENCES.

If I got 2-A's, 2-B's and a C for a semester's grades and yet the Perm Record for that year shows 3-D's and 2-F's - even a moron can see something is wrong.

The 1954 - 1955 Grade cards simply do not support the Permanent Record - so the Perm Record's totals for that year, which are not broken down like the 53-54 year - ARE A FRAUD

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Why is this important?

Mr. JENNER - Well, we appear from our records to have them living on St. Mary Street in New Orleans in May or June of 1954, until about February 1955.

Mrs. MURRET - Well, I don't know anything about that. I know Myrtle Evans was managing that apartment where she lived.

You see Greg, HARVEY worked at Dolly shoe with the short MO while LEE was living at 1454 St Mary's in March 1955 and is one of the reasons the SS records for this time period is not included in his life's earnings.

Lee - Loud and living at Evans' on St Mary's was not HARVEY who lived on Exchange and was small and quiet.

That so much of the connectivity in this case continues to elude you is quite amusing, you writing a book series on Oswald and all... These are all blocks in the same wall Greg... a wall of Conspiracy and Cover-up which includes the hiding of a number of operations - H&L and all that represented being one of them.

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Mr. JENNER - On the occasion that she came from New York and stopped off in New Orleans, did she stay with you for a few days?

Mrs. MURRET - Well, she stayed with me until she found an apartment.

Mr. JENNER - That was in your home at 757 French Street?

Mrs. MURRET - Yes, sir; and that address was changed to 809 French Street.

Mr. JENNER - How was that?

Mrs. MURRET - Well, it was the same house, but they changed the numbering of that block, but it was the same residence. They changed it to the 700 block.

Mr. JENNER - And how long did she stay with you on that occasion?

Mrs. MURRET - Well, that must have been 2 weeks, 3 weeks. She was looking for a place to stay, and Robert was coming out of the service, and so that's when she found this place over on Exchange Alley before Robert came in, and she met Robert at my house, and they went right over to the apartment at Exchange Alley that she had found, but Robert left. He wouldn't stay in New Orleans.

Mr. JENNER - How many days were you looking for an apartment for her?

Mrs. MURRET - Oh, I would say about a week.

Mr. JENNER - Until she found this place on Exchange Alley?

Mrs. MURRET - That's right.

At this point Jenner reminds Murret of 1454 St Mary's and completely changes the course of her testimony

Mr. JENNER - Well, they left New York City, I think, either on the fifth or the seventh of January 1954. Now, we have an address here in New Orleans of 1464 St. Mary Street.

Mrs. MURRET - Oh, that was before the Exchange Place. She rented that from this lady who was a friend of hers.

Mr. JENNER - Was that Myrtle Evans?

Mrs. MURRET - Yes; Myrtle Evans. She was a friend of hers.

Mr. JENNER - I believe she also lived for a time at 1910 Prytania, didn't she?

Mrs. MURRET - I think that's right. I'm not sure about those different places, I mean, how she would move from one to the other, but she was at several places up in there before she went to Exchange Place.

Mr. JENNER - Well, we appear from our records to have them living on St. Mary Street in New Orleans in May or June of 1954, until about February 1955.

Mrs. MURRET - Well, I don't know anything about that. I know Myrtle Evans was managing that apartment where she lived.

Mr. JENNER - Do you know how it was that she went to live at 126 Exchange Place in New Orleans?

Mrs. MURRET - Yes.

Mr. JENNER - Was that 1954 or 1955?

Mrs. MURRET - I don't know--whatever you have down there probably is the right year, but they lived at Myrtle's house first.

Mr. JENNER - Could it have been that Myrtle Evans lived, in the spring of 1954, at 1454 St. Mary Street?

Mrs. MURRET - I don't know. Maybe that's right. I know this was a very old house where she lived. I was told that she had a family home---Myrtle and that she had renovated it into a lot of apartments for tenants.

Mr. JENNER - How long did they stay at your house?

Mrs. MURRET - At my house?

Mr. JENNER - Yes.

Mrs. MURRET - Well, like I said, 2 weeks or 3 weeks at the most, somewhere in there.

Mr. JENNER - And you are pretty sure that they moved directly from your house into this place on Exchange Alley?

Mrs. MURRET - Well, either there or to Myrtle's apartment. I don't know which, to be truthful with you.

At this point we have Harvey at 126 Exchange and Lee at 1454 St Mary's... the rest of the evidence corroborates the one quiet small child versus the one loud large child...

Mrs. EVANS - Well, he would yell, "Maw, come and fix my supper," and he had a loud voice, and I could hear him more and more up there, and it got to be quite disturbing, actually. It seemed to be a situation that was getting worse all the time; so I thought maybe it would be better if I didn't have them around; so, since the apartment wasn't fixed up anyway, and she wasn't very happy next door, she up and moved, and that's when she went to Exchange Alley.

Mr. JENNER - O.K. That was in April of 1955; is that right?

Mrs. EVANS - Yes, and I never saw her after that.

Mr. JENNER - You never saw her again?

Mrs. EVANS - No; I didn't.

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From H&L:

When "Marguerite Oswald" was hired, she filled out an employee withholding

form (W-4) and listed her address as 126 Exchange. Lee Harvey Oswald also filled out

a W-4 form for Dolly Shoe on the same day, February 5, 1955, and listed his address as

126 Exchange Place. 2 The following day, February 6, Lee Harvey Oswald applied for

a social security card (SS #433-54-3937), although he was not hired until a month later.

2 - WC Exhibit 1951, p3

(as you can see, Harvey's SS# appears to be added in after he was hired - in writing that does not match any of Oswald's)

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Maury Goodman remembered that Marguerite "pestered him for several

weeks" to hire her son. Goodman told the FBI, "Marguerite asked him to employ her

son so as to keep the boy off the street and give him something to do."4 But according

to the Warren Commission 15-year-old Oswald was a full time student in the 9th grade at

Beauregard Junior High. If young Oswald was in school, there was no need to "keep the boy off

the street and give him something to do. "

Rita Paveur's memory agreed with Mr: Goodman. She said, "Lee Harvey

Oswald was hired a month or so after the store opened. ....he was very thin, very quiet,

and spent most of his time upstairs in the stockroom." Rita described Oswald's physical

appearance and said, "He came to my eyes .... .l am 5-foot-2, so I would guess he was

about 4-foot-10."5 Rita's memory is in sharp contrast to Lee Oswald's height of 5- footS,

(3" taller than Rita), which he listed on a Beauregard information form two months

later.6 In the spring of 1955 it appears that Harvey was 4-foot-10, while Lee was 5-foot-5.

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After obtaining the work permit Goodman hired young Oswald, who he described

as a "nice, pleasant, short little boy, but with not much sense."7 He recalled that

Oswald worked for him during the day and sometimes on weekends, but said that he

was not a very good worker. In a tape-recorded telephone interview in 1995, Goodman

recalled, "Young (Harvey) Oswald was extremely quiet and whenever I spoke with him,

I had to literally put my ear next to his (Oswald's) mouth in order to hear his reply ..... he

worked for me during the day, sometimes on weekends, and seemed to always be hiding

out in the stockroom."

7 - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10803#relPageId=3&tab=page

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For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

" For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct". // Parker Quote

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Insults and brain activity...I gotta say now you have sparked my curiosity., gaal

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22191&p=312969 . ,gaal

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For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

Really, Greg? You write about "two firing brain cells" ... "mind-altering drugs".... "to be 'correct''? Are you going to edit the above quote so those offending words are gone?

Allow me, then, to re-post below what you just typed above before you wisely edit it out:

================ GREG PARKER QUOTE ON =================
"For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".
================ GREG PARKER QUOTE OFF ================
You simply have to work MUCH HARDER, Greg! These one-line attacks made against John's obvious and genuine scholarship are going to look bad forever.
You are, however, inspiring me to quote MUCH more from Harvey and Lee. So far, the author has given me carte blanche. We all expect MUCH better from you!!!

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For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

Really, Greg? You write about "two firing brain cells" ... "mind-altering drugs".... "to be 'correct''? Are you going to edit the above quote so those offending words are gone?

Allow me, then, to re-post below what you just typed above before you wisely edit it out:

================ GREG PARKER QUOTE ON =================
"For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".
================ GREG PARKER QUOTE OFF ================
You simply have to work MUCH HARDER, Greg! These one-line attacks made against John's obvious and genuine scholarship are going to look bad forever.
You are, however, inspiring me to quote MUCH more from Harvey and Lee. So far, the author has given me carte blanche. We all expect MUCH better from you!!!

Jim,

Let me rephrase it.

"Anyone with two working brain cells would have to be on very strong hallucinogens indeed to realize that the Harvey and Lee theory is ... beautiful, man. Like..... Wow."

--Tommy :sun

Edited by Thomas Graves

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For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

Really, Greg? You write about "two firing brain cells" ... "mind-altering drugs".... "to be 'correct''? Are you going to edit the above quote so those offending words are gone?

Allow me, then, to re-post below what you just typed above before you wisely edit it out:

================ GREG PARKER QUOTE ON =================
"For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".
================ GREG PARKER QUOTE OFF ================
You simply have to work MUCH HARDER, Greg! These one-line attacks made against John's obvious and genuine scholarship are going to look bad forever.
You are, however, inspiring me to quote MUCH more from Harvey and Lee. So far, the author has given me carte blanche. We all expect MUCH better from you!!!

Jim,

Let me rephrase it.

"Anyone with two working brain cells would have to be on very strong hallucinogens indeed to realize that the Harvey and Lee theory is ... beautiful, man. Like..... Wow."

--Tommy :sun

Thank you, Tommy. I agree - much better!

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE



10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.


9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.


8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."


7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.


6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.


5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.


4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.


3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?


2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.


1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

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.... in MEMORY of RICHARD SCHWEIKER...

In 1976, during the Schweiker-Hart assassination investigation, a 5th "back-yard photograph" was found and identified as 133-C. MAR,63-04 Mrs. Geneva Ruth Dees, the widow of former Dallas Police Officer Roscoe Anthony White, found the photo among her husband's possessions. According to Mrs. Dees this print was acquired by her deceased husband during the course of his employment with the Dallas Police Department. The photograph was similar to the other backyard photographs except that it was much clearer, which indicated that it may have been a first generation photo. [H&L, p. 492]
Harvey Oswald's involvement with US intelligence agencies linked him directly to the most sensitive operations ever conducted by the CIA--the assassination of a US President. Oswald's involvement and knowledge had to remain secret, and he could never be allowed to go to trial. Senator Richard Schweiker, who originally chaired the HSCA until forced out by CIA interests, was correct when he said, "Oswald had the fingerprints of intelligence all over him.” [H&L, p. 944]

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The Very First Post in this thread is HERE, by Robin Ramsey:

This is a major publishing event in the JFK assassination world. Parts of Armstrong's work has been on the Net and he's spoken at some of the big JFK conferences. His work-in-progress became spoken of as 'the John Armstrong research'; and finally we have the book, a self-published 1000 pages; plus a CD-Rom containing documents he cites. (I haven't even looked at the CD-Rom yet.) Since one reading of this (and some sections I merely skimmed), is all I have managed so far, and that is barely scratching the surface of 1000 pages, this is a
provisional report; first reactions.
This is a staggering piece of research, twelve years of it, and a lot of money spent in the process. Armstrong has interviewed people who haven't been interviewed since the Warren Commission - and many who have never been interviewed before. He has read official files no non-official had seen before him. Lots of new ground is broken here in all kinds of little subsections of the story. But it is far too long. If the text was copy-edited, he or she deserves a slap: the text is full of stupid little errors. The typesetting is eccentric: the text is covered in italicisation, bold and underlining. A potentially great 400 or 500 page book is buried in this behemoth. Or perhaps it shouldn't be thought of as a book, but more as research assembled in book form.
Armstrong does three things. First, he is offering a theory of the assassination. His minute - microscopic - analysis of key episodes in the case is punctuated by chunks of the ClA's coven activities in the 1950s and 60s: Armstrong wants us to
see what the Agency is known to have been doing while the Oswald story unfolded. But his thesis that the CIA killed JFK and framed Oswald fails for the same reason that previous versions of this have failed: no matter how plausible the idea, no matter how much detail we are given of other, analogous things the CIA was doing in the post-war years, Armstrong cannot show who was doing the shooting; and he cannot identify the CIA conspirators. The only plausible conspirators he offers are Jack Ruby and Lee, one of the two 'Oswalds' in the story. Both have connections to the ClA-funded anti-Castro operations; but that is all.
The second thing Armstrong does is show in great detail how the FBI 'edited' the evidence about the shooting. The FBI had all the evidence collected by the Dallas police sent to Washington and a lot of it didn't return. Armstrong thinks the editing was done to conceal evidence of the two 'Oswalds'; and while this looks very plausible, it is not conclusively demonstrated.
Thirdly, and centrally, Armstrong takes on the 'two Oswalds' question, which has been around since 1967. It arose first because there seemed to be someone pretending to be Oswald, apparently framing the other, genuine 'Oswald'. Professor
Richard Popkin detailed this first in his The Second Oswald (London: Andre Deutscn/ Sphere, 1967). Then 'Oswalds' with different heights and slightly different faces were noticed. A decade after Popkin, Michael Eddowes published The Oswald
File (New York: Clarkson Potter, 1977), which concluded that one 'Oswald', the American Marine 'Oswald', went to the Soviet Union but another 'Oswald' came back in his place, a ringer being run by the Soviets, who shot the President. In Alias Oswald (Manchester, Maine; GKG partners, 1985) Robert Cutler and W. R. Morris argued that the second 'Oswald', was not a Soviet spy but a US spy. In their analysis the switch from one 'Oswald' to the other took place in 1958 while Oswald was serving in the Marine Corps in Japan.
By dint of minute examination of the paper record and a lot of phone-bashing and travelling, Armstrong validates the Cutler-Morris thesis - there was a switch - and has tried to trace the life of the 'hidden' Oswald. He appears to have established the existence of an intelligence operation which began with two boys, of different heights, but who looked similar and who lived parallel lives. One, Harvey, was Russian-speaking, probably a refugee from Eastern Europe; the other, Lee, was an American.
It begins in the early WOs, some of the cooler years of the Cold War. US intelligence had no reliable information on the Soviet Union. (This was before U-2 over-flights and satellites.) Soviet nuclear arms, even the Soviet economy, were a mystery. All the agents sent in by CIA and MI6 had been turned or captured. How could they get agents in? One way was to send them in as defectors. There seems to have been a CIA programme of defectors - Armstrong discusses some of the others - in which, he hypothesises, there was an attempt at a better class of defection. Armstrong believes the CIA ran two real identities in parallel, merged them - Lee and Harvey became Lee Harvey - and switched them just before the apparent defection of the American 'Oswald', Lee. Thus the CIA would insert into the Soviet Union a defector, Harvey, with two outstanding characteristics: one, unknown to the Soviet authorities, he could speak Russian; two, if Soviet intelligence checked his biography, they would find the American 'Lee Oswald', not a 'legend' but a real life. If this seems elaborate, Armstrong reminds the reader of the Soviet use of 'illegals', and quotes the example of Molody, 'Gordon Lonsdale', who operated in the UK.
This hypothesised CIA plan entailed both boys being in the Marines at the same time. Armstrong shows reports and presents recollections of 'Oswald' in two places at the same time through secondary school and in the Marines. The two 'Oswalds' explains the mass of contradictory material about Oswald in the Marines: one who couldn't shoot; one who could: one who was an apparent Marxist and read Russian, the other who didn't: one who was outgoing and a brawler; the other a bookworm. The plan also meant two 'mothers of Oswald', two 'Marguerite Oswalds'. Here the programme didn't extend to two women who looked similar: one was tall and elegant and the other short and plain. If Armstrong is correct, and the evidence looks convincing on one reading, a woman spent nearly ten years, pretending to be 'Marguerite Oswald', following the real Marguerite round the country, taking a series' of xxxx-jobs to do so.
It should be noted that there is no evidence, either paper record or firsthand, that this scheme took place. Armstrong infers it from the evidence of the two 'Oswalds'. If this is true, Armstrong has uncovered the most elaborate intelligence operation (and done the greatest piece of espionage detective work) I have ever read about.
Passage from Lobster Magazine (Summer, 2004)

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So Jim, quote me from H & L where it explains that "Harvey" dressed like a Southern boy in the Bronx Zoo photo as part of his job as an asset to "blend".

Was this kid a paid asset, btw? What exactly was in it for him? Or was he under MKULTRA mind kontrol?

They must have stopped giving him the drugs in New Orleans, eh? How else can you explain his sudden rebellion as described by Steve?

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So Jim, quote me from H & L where it explains that "Harvey" dressed like a Southern boy in the Bronx Zoo photo as part of his job as an asset to "blend".

Was this kid a paid asset, btw? What exactly was in it for him? Or was he under MKULTRA mind kontrol?

They must have stopped giving him the drugs in New Orleans, eh? How else can you explain his sudden rebellion as described by Steve?

Mr. Parker has no idea about child development and hostage psychology. gaal

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Coping and survival strategies

Although it is usually regarded as an ‘effect’ of being taken hostage, the ‘Stockholm Syndrome’ will be regarded here as a means of coping and surviving since it certainly enables, on many occasions, hostages to deal with extreme and life-threatening circumstances. The term was first coined by criminologist, Nils Bejerot, to describe the unexpected reactions of hostages both during and after an armed bank raid in Sweden in 1973.26 It was noted that, despite being subject to a life-threatening situation by the raiders, the hostages (three women and one man) forged positive relationships with their captors even to the point of helping to finance their defence after their apprehension. Conversely, the hostage-takers began to bond with their captives. This paradoxical reaction has been noted in many other incidents. The 10-year-old girl, Natascha Kampusch, who was held captive for eight years bonded with her abductor to such an extent that, on his suicide immediately after her escape, she blamed the police for his death and clearly grieved his death.27

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http://www.livestrong.com/article/561005-what-are-the-causes-of-rebellious-children-teens/

Denying the Existence of Authority

A child might act rebellious as a way to exercise independence. For example, a younger child might constantly ask, “Why?” An older child might contradict everything a parent says, while a teen won’t follow instructions or will do the opposite of what her parent requests. In the Psychology Today online article “Surviving (Your Child’s) Adolescence,” psychologist Carl Pickhardt says that a child or teen’s act of independence is actually an act of dependence because the young person’s actions depend on doing the opposite of what authority figures want.

A Defensive Mechanism

When a child or teen feels anxious or scared, she might use rebellion as a defensive mechanism. A young child, according to Kahn, tests boundaries and pushes authority figures to see whether her fears regarding the consequences are real or imagined. Alternatively, she might act out just to see what would happen. If a child or teen feels anxious about being let down in a relationship, or is afraid of letting someone down, she might use rebellion to push a person.

Brain Development

As the adolescent brain develops, it becomes more complex, giving a young person the ability to reason and think abstractly. According to a Johns Hopkins University publication titled, “The Teen Years Explained,” as a teen develops cognitively, risk-taking behaviors naturally increase. It’s normal for a teen to act defiantly or rebelliously as she exercises her newly developed thinking, communication and social skills.

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

The reason gullible people like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Edited by Thomas Graves

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Wake up, Parker and you Minions!

Big Parts of Harvey and Lee will be offered to you in a few hours from RIGHT NOW!

Please explain why "Lee Harvey Oswald's" 1956 Social Security Report included NO INCOME from his pre-Marine years, you know, from 1956 or so.

W-2 forms from "1956" should have included J.R. Michels, Dolly Shoe, Pfisterer Dental Lab, and so on.

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

But the reason gullible True Believers like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Tommy..

Please tell the truth. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ HARVEY & LEE?

Jim

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