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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

But the reason gullible True Believers like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Tommy..

Please tell the truth. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ HARVEY & LEE?

Jim

Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

===================================================================

Jim

Graves seems to have never read book. gaal

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Aw fer Crissakes, Tommy....

Have you read HARVEY & LEE or not?

This ins't Rocket Science. Just tell us the truth, please....

Jim

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Thomas Graves

Sheeesh!
Edited by Jim Hargrove

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

As if nobody else in the USA was ever named Lee Oswald, Harvey Oswald, or even Lee Harvey Oswald from 1940 to 1963...

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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TOP 10 REASONS TO BELIEVE IN HARVEY AND LEE
10. The IMPOSSIBLE 1953 school scenario: Harvey at Youth House for truancy followed by Beauregard JHS in New Orleans while Lee has good attendance both semesters at PS 44 in NYC.
9. John Pic's inability to recognize clear photographs of his own brother.
8. The refusal of the Social Security Administration to corroborate the official story of "Oswald's" pre-1962 income, offering instead "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report regarding employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."
7. The Marine Corps records are a gold mine: my favorite chronicles Harvey Oswald's trip to Formosa (Taiwan) while Lee was being treated for VD in Japan.
6. The Bolton Ford incident while Harvey was in Russia.
5. Marita Lorenz's secret testimony describing Lee Oswald with anti-Castro operatives in Miami and the Everglades while Harvey was in Russia.
4. Lee Oswald visiting the Texas Employment Commission, filling out forms and taking tests, while Harvey was in Russia.
3. The impossible answer(s) to the simple questions: Could Lee Harvey Oswald drive a car? Did he have a drivers license?
2. The well documented appearance of Lee Oswald in the balcony of the Texas Theater soon after the murder of J.D. Tippit with the simultaneous arrest of Harvey Oswald on the main floor of the same theater.
1. The behavior of the FBI in the first 48 hours of the "investigation," during which the Bureau confiscated many of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" school records and employment histories. Six months later, the Bureau decided to test for fingerprints on boxes in the so-called "sniper's nest."

Jim,

But the reason gullible True Believers like you swallow the H & L Dogma "hook, line, and sinker" is twofold: 1 ) It's a perfect example of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy, and 2 ) as such it facilitates and encourages your continuing application of The Clustering Illusion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Tommy..

Please tell the truth. HAVE YOU ACTUALLY READ HARVEY & LEE?

Jim

Russian Spy Ring Aimed to Make Children Agents

http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10000872396390444097904577537044185191340

===================================================================

Jim

Graves seems to have never read book. gaal

Have you read the article?

The "children" turns out to be one. And he was 20. And his parents deny they tried to recruit saying probably quite rightly, it would have been too risky.

The clincher that the story is BS is that they claim the 20 year old stood up and saluted "Mother Russia" when the parents tried to get him to join them. That is just too corny for words.

You guys a are a crack up.

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Thomas Graves

Sheeesh!

Relax Jim.

Take some deep breaths. In through the nose, out through the mouth. That's right. Good.

Feel better already, don't you.

The reason I didn't see your increasingly frantic posts is because I was busy doing some actual research for another thread. (Have you ever done any actual research, Jim?)

What I was trying to do is locate and determine how far away the Monterrey Motel (where ten Cuban exiles driving into New Orleans from Miami on 7/24/63 allegedly spent the night because both cars "broke down") was from the "Big 7 Road" camp near Lacombe. Any of that mean anything to you, Jim?

In case you're interested, you can read all about it on Chris Newton's excellent thread "Lacombe Training Camp Location part duex [sic]".

Now, to answer your question, heck no, I haven't read Harvey and Lee! Why the heck would I want to waste my time doing given its patently ridiculous premises -- 1 ) that two young boys (and their mothers!) were chosen by the bad guys to participate in an elaborate doppelganger project, and that the bad guys somehow knew that the two boys would grow up to look very similar (when necessary) and / or very different (when necessary), 2 ) that "Lee" was (evidently) moved around and hidden in "safe" houses for two-and-one-half years so that he wouldn't bump into any of his friends and acquaintances while "Harvey" was in the USSR, and 3 ) that both "Lee's" and "Harvey's" families were "in on" the project all the way, and have miraculously been able to keep from "spilling the beans" / "letting the cat out of the bag" on it, both before and after the assassination, for about 60 years now. Seems to me the bad guys would have killed them all a long time ago to prevent that from happening. But then again maybe that wasn't necessary because the bad guys just MKULTRed all of them into obedient, zombie-like silence and obfuscation.

(Speaking of beans, I think Armstrong must have eaten a full plate of them and the gas caused him to come up with these weird ideas. Or maybe it was mushrooms.)

But to tell you the truth, Jim, I'm starting to entertain the idea that H&L is nothing but an elaborate CIA "disinfo project," designed to divide and confuse the JFK research community.

--Tommy :sun

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For the uninitiated and newbie, if the above Stripling information is accurate , then the Harvey and Lee hypothesis is solid and correct. ,gaal

For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".

Really, Greg? You write about "two firing brain cells" ... "mind-altering drugs".... "to be 'correct''? Are you going to edit the above quote so those offending words are gone?

Allow me, then, to re-post below what you just typed above before you wisely edit it out:

================ GREG PARKER QUOTE ON =================
"For those who have at least two firing brain cells... you need to be on some some heavy duty mind-altering drugs for it to be "correct".
================ GREG PARKER QUOTE OFF ================
You simply have to work MUCH HARDER, Greg! These one-line attacks made against John's obvious and genuine scholarship are going to look bad forever.
You are, however, inspiring me to quote MUCH more from Harvey and Lee. So far, the author has given me carte blanche. We all expect MUCH better from you!!!

1. I never self-sensor - despite your idiotic claims that I have done so in the past.

2. That's one difference between us. I don't need anyone's permission to post research - cos it's my own! But that's life for you in a cult, isn't it? Always needing permission to spread the Holy Writ.

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Sheeesh!

Relax Jim.

Take some deep breaths. In through the nose, out through the mouth. That's right. Good.

Feel better already, don't you.

The reason I didn't see your increasingly frantic posts is because I was busy doing some actual research for another thread. (Have you ever done any actual research, Jim?)

What I was trying to do is locate and determine how far away the Monterey Motel (where ten Cuban exiles driving into New Orleans from Miami on 7/24/63 allegedly spent the night because both cars "broke down") was from the "Big 7 Road" camp near Lacombe. Any of that mean anything to you, Jim? (Hint: log in to eBay and type in Monterey Motel New Orleans to get the address off of a couple of old postcards -- the motel no longer exists -- it's now the location of a Fuel Zone convenience store.)

In case you're interested, you can read all about it on Chris Newton's excellent thread "Lacombe Training Camp Location part duex [sic]".

Now, to answer your question, heck no, I haven't read Harvey and Lee! Why the heck would I want to waste my time doing given its patently ridiculous premises -- 1 ) that two young boys (and their mothers!) were chosen by the bad guys to participate in an elaborate double-doppelganger project, and that the bad guys somehow knew that the two boys would grow up to look very similar (when necessary) and very different (when necessary); ditto their mothers after they were already adults, 2 ) that "Lee" was (evidently) moved around and hidden in "safe" houses for two-and-one-half years so that he wouldn't bump into any of his friends and acquaintances while "Harvey" was in the USSR, and 3 ) that both "Lee's" and "Harvey's" families were "in on" the project all the way, and have miraculously been able to keep from "spilling the beans" / "letting the cat out of the bag" on it, both before and after the assassination, for about 60 years now. Seems to me the bad guys would have killed them all a long time ago to prevent that from happening. But then again maybe that wasn't necessary because the bad guys just MKULTRed all of them into obedient, zombie-like silence and obfuscation. That's it, isn't it, Jim.

(Speaking of beans, I think Armstrong must have eaten a 55-gallon drum of them and the resultant gas caused him to come up with these weirdo ideas. Or maybe it was... mushrooms?)

But to tell you the truth, Jim, I'm starting to entertain the idea that H&L is nothing but an elaborate CIA "disinfo project," designed to divide and confuse the JFK research community.

But for now, Jim, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'm gonna assume that you're just suffering from the effects of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy and its psychological corollary,the Clustering Illusion syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Bumped for Jim Hargrove.

Edited by Thomas Graves

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Thomas Graves

Sheeesh!

Relax Jim.

Take some deep breaths. In through the nose, out through the mouth. That's right. Good.

Feel better already, don't you.

The reason I didn't see your increasingly frantic posts is because I was busy doing some actual research for another thread. (Have you ever done any actual research, Jim?)

What I was trying to do is locate and determine how far away the Monterey Motel (where ten Cuban exiles driving into New Orleans from Miami on 7/24/63 allegedly spent the night because both cars "broke down") was from the "Big 7 Road" camp near Lacombe. Any of that mean anything to you, Jim? (Hint: log in to eBay and type in Monterey Motel New Orleans to get the address off of a couple of old postcards -- the motel no longer exists -- it's now the location of a Fuel Zone convenience store.)

In case you're interested, you can read all about it on Chris Newton's excellent thread "Lacombe Training Camp Location part duex [sic]".

Now, to answer your question, heck no, I haven't read Harvey and Lee! Why the heck would I want to waste my time doing given its patently ridiculous premises -- 1 ) that two young boys (and their mothers!) were chosen by the bad guys to participate in an elaborate double-doppelganger project, and that the bad guys somehow knew that the two boys would grow up to look very similar (when necessary) and very different (when necessary); ditto their mothers after they were already adults, 2 ) that "Lee" was (evidently) moved around and hidden in "safe" houses for two-and-one-half years so that he wouldn't bump into any of his friends and acquaintances while "Harvey" was in the USSR, and 3 ) that both "Lee's" and "Harvey's" families were "in on" the project all the way, and have miraculously been able to keep from "spilling the beans" / "letting the cat out of the bag" on it, both before and after the assassination, for about 60 years now. Seems to me the bad guys would have killed them all a long time ago to prevent that from happening. But then again maybe that wasn't necessary because the bad guys just MKULTRed all of them into obedient, zombie-like silence and obfuscation. That's it, isn't it, Jim.

(Speaking of beans, I think Armstrong must have eaten a 55-gallon drum of them and the resultant gas caused him to come up with these weirdo ideas. Or maybe it was... mushrooms?)

But to tell you the truth, Jim, I'm starting to entertain the idea that H&L is nothing but an elaborate CIA "disinfo project," designed to divide and confuse the JFK research community.

But for now, Jim, I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt, and I'm gonna assume that you're just suffering from the effects of the Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy and its psychological corollary,the Clustering Illusion syndrome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

--Tommy :sun

Bumped for Jim Hargrove.

Bump.

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The Fraudulent 1956 Tax Return

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 154-155:

February--Oswald's 1956 income tax return

Following the assassination of President Kennedy, FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover

notified the Warren Commission that Oswald's 1955 tax return had been routinely de-

stroyed by the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). They allegedly obtained a copy of his

1956 Federal income tax return (Commission Exhibit 90a) from the IRS on December

16, 1963, two days before the Commission requested they obtain the records.

The 1956 return was allegedly filled out by Oswald, signed, and mailed to the

IRS on February 7, 1957. The return was allegedly received by the District Director of

the Internal Revenue office in Fort Worth, Dallas, TX. the following day, February 8.57-03

NOTE: It is difficult to believe the return was mailed from Camp Pendleton, Califor-

nia on February 7, 1957 and received in Dallas only one day later, on February 8,

1957.

The 1956 tax return (short form) given to the Warren Commission listed three

employers (J.R. Michels, Gerard F. Tujague, Pfisterer Dental Lab), their addresses,

gross wages, and withholding taxes. The information listed on this return is identical

with the income listed on the fabricated W-2 forms for J.R. Michels, Gerard F. Tujague,

Inc., and the Pfisterer Dental Lab. At first glance there appears to be no reason to

question either the single page tax return or the W-2 forms. On closer inspection, however,

there are enough errors and omissions to suggest that the 1956 return, like the W-2 forms, was

fabricated.

One error was the address listed for the J.R. Michels Company. On the 1956

return it was listed as 805 American Bank Bldg., but their office was located at on the 2nd

floor of 442 Canal Street in the Sanlin Building.

NOTE: The address on Oswald's 1956 income tax return and address on the J. R.

Michels W-2 form was the same address listed on cancelled payroll check which Nick

Mazza gave to the FBI on November 25, 1963; it was not the companies business

address at 442 Canal Street.

The most significant error, however, was that the return failed to include Oswald's

Marines Corps earnings of $111.00 on his 1956 tax return.6 It is difficult to believe that

Oswald, who had been in the Marines for the past 4 1/2 months and was in the Marines

when he allegedly signed and mailed the return, forgot to include this income. His Ma-

$111.00, was more than he allegedly earned from Gerard F. Tujague, Inc.

($80.46) or J.R. Michels ($80) in 1956.

Oswald's Marine Corps income may not have been included on the fabricated

1956 return for one simple reason. When the return was given to the Warren Commis-

sion, in December 1963, Oswald's income from the Marines was unknown. In fact,

Oswald's Marine Corps earnings remained unknown for the next 9 months. In Sep-

tember, 1964 the Department of the Navy finally provided certified payroll records to

the Commission. 57-04

According to information on the 1956 tax return, Oswald should have received

a refund check in the amount of $64.70. Yet the FBI apparently made no attempt to

obtain a copy of the cancelled check, nor is there any indication that either Oswald or

Marguerite received or cashed such a check.

NOTE: The alleged refund check of $64.70 represented most of the federal income tax

that was allegedly withheld by J.R. Michels, Tujague's. and Pfisterer's. But if Oswald

never worked at Pfisterer's in 1956, then the IRS could not have issued a refund check

which consisted mostly of withholding taxes from Pfisterer's. In all probability, Oswald

never received a refund chick in the amount of $64.70, because one was never issued.

Once again, we see evidence that the FBI failed to conduct an honest investigation into

Oswald's background and we understand why. The purpose of the fabricated W-2 form,

and the fabricated 1956 tax return (one page short form), was simply to create the

illusion that Oswald worked at the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in 1956, instead of

1957-58 as reported by Palmer McBride.

Edited by Jim Hargrove

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The Fraudulent 1956 W-2 Forms

All the U.S. Government's “evidence” about “Lee Harvey Oswald's” employment in 1956 by J.R. Michels, Tujaques, Dolly Shoe and Pfisterer Dental Lab is fabricated, just like the so called 1956 tax return allegedly filled out by “Lee Harvey Oswald” which failed to include his Marine Corps income. Below is John's write-up explaining how and why the J.R. Michels W-2 form was fabricated.

From Harvey and Lee, pp. 138-140:

J. R. Michels W-2 form

According to the Warren Commission, the Dallas Police found the J. R. Michels

W-2 form among Oswald's possessions after the assassination. Each item found by Dallas

Police officers was initialed, dated, listed on their handwritten inventory, typed at Dallas

Police headquarters, and later printed in the Warren Volumes as Stovall Exhibit A & B

(items found at the Paine residence) and Turner Exhibit #1 (items found at 1026 N.

Beckley), and photographed. But the J.R. Michels W-2 form in the National Archives was not

initialed by Dallas Police officers, was not dated, was not listed on their inventory, and was not

photographed on the floor of the police station on November 22 or November 23.

Oswald's possessions were secretly removed from Dallas Police headquarters on

November 23 and taken to FBI headquarters in Washington, DC. The J.R. Michels W-

2 form was created between November 23 and November 25, probably at FBI headquar-

ters where it was initialed by laboratory technician Robert Frazier ("RF"). It was then

included among the items of evidence that were secretly returned to the Dallas Police

on November 26. The fabricated J.R. Michels W-2 form was then photographed by the

Dallas Police, and listed as item 175 on the joint FBI/Dallas Police inventory of Novem-

ber 26, 1963.5 The "items of evidence," including the J.R. Michels W-2 form, were then

returned within a few hours to FBI headquarters in Washington.

The joint Dallas Police/FBI inventory, published in Warren Volume 24, p. 334,

gave the J.R. Michels W-2 form the appearance of "legitimacy." In reality the J.R.

Michels W-2 form, and many other items of evidence, were fabricated in Washington,

DC while Oswald's possessions were in FBI custody from November 23-25, 1963.

NOTE: The J.R. Michels W-2 form 56-03 was one of five W-2 forms listed on the joint

Dallas Police/FBI inventory of November 26, 1963 (the others are Dolly Shoe 56-04,

Tujague's 56-05/06, and the Pfisterer Dental Laboratory 56-07). None of these W-2 forms con-

tains the initials of the Dallas Police detectives, none are listed in the DPD inventory of

November 22 and 23 (Stovall A 56-08/09, Stovall B 56-10, and Turner Ex. No 156-11/12), and

none were photographed in Dallas on November 22nd and 23rd. But all of the W-2 forms

contain the initials of FBI lab technician Robert Frazier (RF), and all appear on the

joint FBI/DPD inventory of November 26. Between November 23 and November 26,

all of these W-2 forms were fabricated while in FBI custody and were included among

Oswald's possessions when returned to the Dallas Police.

The most obvious sign of fabrication is the fact that all five W-2 forms, allegedly issued

by different companies in 1955 and 1956, were typed on the same typewriter-each W-2

form contains the same identical typewritten characters. To show that all of the W-2 forms

were typed with the same typewriter I made transparencies of the W-2 forms and then

overlaid them as indicated below:

* 1955 Dolly Shoe W-2 over 1955 Tujague W-2 56-13

* 1955 Dolly Shoe W-2 over 1956 Pfisterer W-2 56-14

* 1956 Pfisterer W-2 over 1956 Tujague W-2 56-15

Did Oswald actually work at J.R. Michels?

When I met with Frank DiBenedetto, I told him the Warren Commission said

that Oswald began working at J.R. Michels the day after he quit Tujague's. Frank told

me, "Oswald didn't work there (at J.R. Michels). He couldn't have worked there. We

are on the 3rd floor of this building (Sanlin Building, 442 Canal Street) and they were

one floor below us. We were in the same business. I was very good friends with Nick

(Mazza), the manager of J.R. Michels, and was in his offices nearly every day. We went

to lunch often and were good friends. If Oswald had worked for Nick, I would have

known it."6

The short, thin, Harvey Oswald could have worked at J .R. Michels for a few days

in January, 1956. If Frank visited J.R. Michels' office during this time, he would have no

reason to associate Harvey with the tall, well-built Lee Oswald who worked at Tujague's.

The J.R. Michels company had no employment file for Oswald, no payroll

records, no W-4 form, no copies of quarterly withholding tax filings, no year end W-2

forms, and no one remembered that Oswald worked there, including manager Nick

Mazza. The W-2 and W-4 forms allegedly obtained by the FBI are fabrications, yet they

were given to the Commission and are now located in the National Archives. The one

piece of evidence that may have been original, Oswald's payroll check found by Nick

Mazza, does not agree with the amounts listed on the W-2 form and disappeared while

in FBI custody. In the final analysis there is no proof that Harvey Oswald worked at J.R.

Michels, even though the Bureau created documentation which made it appear as though he did.

NOTE: The W-2 form, and possibly the payroll check found by Nick Mazza, may have

been fabricated in order to create the illusion that Oswald worked a few days at J.R.

Michels after his employment at Tujague's ended on January 14. It was crucial that the

FBI and/or the Warren Commission ''prove" that Oswald's employment at Tujague's

ended in January, because they desperately needed to show that Oswald worked at the

Pfisterer Dental Laboratory in the spring of 1956, before he returned to Fort Worth and

before he joined the Marines in October.

Pfisterer Dental Laboratory

The FBI became aware of Oswald's employment at the Pfisterer Dental Labo-

ratory through their interview with Palmer Edwin McBride on the evening of Novem-

ber 22nd, 1963. McBride told the FBI he met Oswald while working at the dental lab

in late 1957 and had worked with him until May of 1958.56-16/17/18/19

When the FBI realized that Marine Corps records showed that "Lee Harvey

Oswald" was in Japan from September 1957 thru November 1958, they faced a serious

problem that threatened to expose the two Oswald's. 56-20 Quite simply, one "Lee Harvey

Oswald" could not have been in New Orleans and Japan at the same time, and certainly

not for 8 months.

. . . .

Edited by Jim Hargrove

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Social Security Didn't Lie about 1956

Why didn't the Social Security Admin count any of Oswald's employment income prior to the time he joined the U.S. Marine Corps?

According to SSA and IRS records, Oswald's income in 1962 and 1963, after he left the Marine Corps, was as follows:

Employer: William B. Reily & Co. = $422.25 and $191.25

Employer: Jaggars-Chiles-Stovall = $727.80 and $945.69 and $121.67

Employer: Leslie Welding = $636.50

Employer: Texas Book Depository = $261.68

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Grand Total = $3306.85

After Lee HARVEY Oswald was killed, and less than a month after receiving a completed "Application for Survivors Insurance Benefits" form filled out by Marina, the SSA office in Dallas had completed a "Determination of Award" form.

According to the Social Security Administration's “Determination of Award” form, the lifetime earnings of "Lee Harvey Oswald" amounted to $3306.85, exactly the amount of his 1962 and 1963 income. But what about Oswald's earlier income from Dolly Shoe, Tujague's, J.R. Michaels, and Pfisterer Dental Lab? Why isn't it included by the SSA? There are supposedly legitimate W-2 forms showing Social Security information for those employers as well. (You can see ALL the documents referred to here at: http://harveyandlee.net/Unraveling/Unravels.htm)

On May 15, 1978, the House Select Committee on Assassinations chief counsel Robert Blakey wrote to the Social Security Administration requesting "access to all files and documents concerning or referring to Lee Harvey Oswald and Marina Oswald." On July 28, Social Security Administration associate commissioner Robert P. Bynum formally responded. In a three-page cover letter to Ms. Jackie Hess, an HSCA employee, Bynum cited 36 different documents that were being forwarded from the Social Security Administration to the HSCA.

Item 23 in the letter from the Social Security Administration to the HSCA states: "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report re employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps."

Why didn't the Social Security Administration include any of Oswald's income from his first four employers in his lifetime earnings report? And why on earth was the Warren Report offered as an explanation?

The pre-Marine income reports of "Lee Harvey Oswald" are fraudulent. Why?

More about this topic, including all the documents referenced above, can be found HERE.

I'm STILL waiting for someone... ANYONE... to explain why the Social Security Administration failed to count ANY of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" teenage employment income in his lifetime earnings report. After all, the FBI told us there were perfectly good W-2 forms from Dolly Shoe, Tujague's, J.R. Michaels, and Pfisterer Dental Lab for those LHO formative years. And then they showed us fine copies of the W-2 forms, which certainly would have been forwarded to the Social Security Administration regardless of anyone's opinion of Lee HARVEY Oswald and his teenage angst.

So why didn't the SSA include that income in "Oswald's" final earnings report? And why were "Copies of three pages of the Warren Commission Report re employment of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to service in the Marine Corps." offered by SSA as an explanation?

Is there a cover-up going all the way back to "Oswald's" teenage years?

Of course there is.

Read the proof here:

http://harveyandlee....ng/Unravels.htm

Edited by Jim Hargrove

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Thomas Graves

Sheeesh!

whether he answers or not, I'm thinkin' the answer is pretty clear... but that's just me...

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