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The Secret History of the British 'Royals'

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The Secret History of the British 'Royals' (continued)

by GREG HALLETT/ JIM FETZER

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What we've had is a Mafia Royalty and that was due to last for 200 years from 1812 to 2012. So now it's the time to bring it out, to show that the Royal Families that we've had from 1852 on have been illegitimate.

Queen Victoria had 9 official children. Before that she had one child that was born legitimately and in marriage. That was Marcos Manoel. The other 9 children were born bigamously and from incest, unbeknownst to Queen Victoria; and incest is not illegal if you don't know about it, but the person who sired the children did know; so he would be guilty of incest and that was Lionel Nathan Rothschild -- as the siring partner. Prince Consort Albert didn't sire any of Queen Victoria's official 9 children.

So the next person to reign after Queen Victoria died on the 22nd of January 1901 was King Edward VII, who also knew that his elder legitimate half-brother was alive

So King Edward VII's coronation was delayed for 18 months from the 22nd of January 1901 to the 9th of August 1902. At the same time, King Edward VII got the Secretary of War, Lord Kitchener, to alter the mandate of Freemasonry, which was originally about keeping the True Monarch on the Throne, and he changed it to, whatever it is today.

In the Colonies, like in New Zealand, it's extremely corrupt and supports massive wrong-doings and the same is true of other countries as well. So there is a correction there that needs to be made.

Now King Edward VII and his reign from 1901 to 1910 organised the murder of the Portuguese Royal Family, organised the Abdication of the next Royal Family, organised the murder of his legitimate older half-brother, and then passed instructions on to his son, King George V, who reigned from 1910 to 1936, to assassinate the exiled King of Portugal, King Manuel II of Portugal, in Twickenham in South London. So that destroyed the last vestiges, or thereabouts, of the last vestiges of the Portuguese Royal Family.

And then we had from 1936 to 1936, January to December, we had King Edward VIII who was never crowned.

And then we had King George VI from 1936–52, who was crowned, but he was retarded; and he had a child with the person referred to as the 'Queen Mother' or 'Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon', and that child turned out to be epileptic.

So King George VI was removed from being the siring male. He was replaced with Winston Churchill who was the illegitimate son of King Edward VII. So there was still some supposed Royal blood there, but it was from incest. King Edward VII was a Warlord. Winston Churchill, his biological son, was also a Warlord.

Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon was initially engaged to the person who became King Edward VIII, who reigned January to December 1936. He told her he was going to abdicate, so then she was given the option to become engaged to the person who became King George VI, but he had knocked knees and was one IQ point above retarded.

So she brought in her 'Whipping Boy' to became engaged and then marry King George VI. Now the 'Whipping Boy' is somebody that an aristocrat is raised with, and sometimes it doubles for them in photos. And sometimes there's two photos taken, with say the brother, where Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon is photographed as a child with the brother, and then the 'Whipping Boy' is also photographed with the brother, as the sister.

So what you've got is photographic opportunity to show a complete history. And the 'Whipping Boy' came from Waterford, in Ireland, and the Irish accent had to be taught out of it, so it was more of a Scottish brogue.

The true Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon got married and lived in France and died in 1950. And I got this from a British and European Royal who is incredibly renegade, so Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon's 'Whipping Boy' married King George VI, and then Winston Churchill provided the sperm for the artificial insemination with Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon’s Whipping Boy, resulting in Princess Elizabeth who was born above the Coach & Horses pub in Mayfair in London.

And that's why Queen Elizabeth II's nickname is "Lilybeth la bonne" meaning "The Maid". That meant, she was the daughter of the Maid, the daughter of the "Whipping Boy".

Then when King George V died in 1952, the very illegitimate Princess Elizabeth became 'Queen Elizabeth II'.

In 1946, Prince Philip became engaged to Princess Elizabeth under the extortion of Lord Louis Mountbatten.

Lord Louis Mountbatten extorted the 'Whipping Boy', Queen consort Elizabeth and King George VI on the basis that the Royal Family had been fake since 1852.

So in order to retain the crown, they sold their daughter into marriage to Prince Philip, and it appears that Lord Louis Mountbatten also included rights for under-aged sex with the firstborn -- Prima Nocte, Droit du seigneur, Right of the Lord where the Lord takes the virginity of the serves -- and that was Prince Charles.

And there's photos of Prince Charles and Lord Louis Mountbatten shaking hands at a Polo event when Prince Charles was still quite young.

Jim Fetzer: Greg, would you repeat that, he had the first rights to 'sex'?

Greg Hallett: Yes.

Jim Fetzer: Sex!

Greg Hallett: Yes.

Jim Fetzer: S. E. X.!

Greg Hallett: Yes. Lord Louis Mountbatten had first rights to sex with the firstborn of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip, which was Prince Charles.

So Prince Charles was a paedophile victim from obviously a young age.

Lord Louis Mountbatten was absolutely known for his paedophilia and he was known for having schools under his own name, like "Mountbatten School" in Singapore, and one of the pupils there spoke to me. He would have been in his mid- to late 50s, and he was saying that it was his role to meet Lord Louis Mountbatten at the gate when he was about 5 or 6 years old, and after that he couldn't remember what happened in the next few days, and then he started to have very adult thoughts flashing across his mind, like sexual thoughts.

And it appears that Lord Louis Mountbatten was testing drugs for Roche including Darken and Silence and Date Rape Drugs, and using it for sex with children.

Now other people have also brought out that Lord Louis Mountbatten is a paedophile.

Now Lord Louis Mountbatten introduced the well-known paedophile Jimmy Savile to Prince Charles. They used to spend quite a bit of time together and go to parties together. A lot of it was under the guise of charity events.

On Jimmy Savile's 80th birthday, Prince Charles sent Jimmy Savile a pair of gold cufflinks, a box of cigars, and a note saying "No one will ever know what you've done for this country". There's now just a phenomenal amount of children that Jimmy Savile’s abused.

And it appears that Prince Charles was definitely not the father of Prince William and is not the father of Prince Harry, and it was Princess Diana who ensured this, possibly on the knowledge that she knew 'A' definitely that Prince Charles was having a long standing affair with Camilla Parker Bowles, and that Prince Charles may have been a paedophile.

And that may be why the current Laws of Succession are completely bypassing Prince Charles.

Prince Philip and Lord Louis Mountbatten also had sexual relations.

Prince Philip was also known for getting drunk on Royal Navy Ships and then falling over on the stomach so that he could be sodomized. And some of the sailors who sodomised him told co-researchers of mine that "Oh yeah, I had Prince Philip!"

So he was quite into sodomy, and into children, and now on Sandringham Estate in Norfolk they're finding lots of bodies of children and women buried around in the yards.

So it looks like Prince Philip, who extorted his marriage with Princess Elizabeth, is a paedophile who then agreed to marry Princess Elizabeth, and that their firstborn would be sodomised as a child by Lord Louis Mountbatten.

Jim Fetzer: This is all so unbelievably disgusting!

Greg Hallett: Well...

Jim Fetzer: What was the location where the bodies of women and children have been found again?

Greg Hallett: Sandringham House, which is actually Sandringham Palace. And it is actually on the Dragon Line that runs from Transylvania where Prince Charles has bought a lot of properties. It’s where the Dracula Castle is.

Jim Fetzer: So are you implying then that the graves have been dug up, that these bodies have been unearthed, and if so, who is responsible for that?

Greg Hallett: Yeah, but the problem is that Queen Elizabeth owns the Court buildings, so there's no hearings in court against the Queen.

Jim Fetzer: Have these bodies then been excavated as you imply, and if so, by whom?

Greg Hallett: They have been exhumed. And they were buried randomly, not as graves, and they were buried to be hidden and investigations are on-going.

Jim Fetzer: I mean, yes, if they were buried randomly, it would be very difficult to locate them. I think it’s remarkable that they discovered -- you imply, quite a few.

Greg Hallett: There are quite a few bodies there. So we've got the sexual indiscretions of Prince Philip who is married to Queen Elizabeth.

Now Prince Philip used to keep a Black British Taxi, a London taxi and a chauffeur's cap. And he used to put his chauffeur's cap on, get in the taxi and drive to a brothel and walk as so he was going to pick someone up, and then he would stay in the brothel.

And one of his favourite sex-hunting buddies was Kate Middleton’s father.

Jim Fetzer: One of his favourite sex-hunting buddies!

Greg Hallett: Yeah, so there is a sex-hunting connection between Kate Middleton’s father and Prince Philip.

Jim Fetzer: This was for the purpose of paedophilia. Is Kate' father also a paedophile?

Greg Hallett: If you think of the movie "Eyes Wide Shut", it is kind of a "Everything goes" party, but what they show you in the movie is very tall skinny model-like girls -- generally in their 20s.

Jim Fetzer: That's the film that gave orgies a bad name.

Greg Hallett: Kate Middleton is good friends with the owner of the Killing Kittens sex club. And Killing Kittens offers a sexual service like "Eyes Wide Shut" which is the tall skinny model-like women. So, it appears that Prince Philip has got together with Kate Middleton's father and arranged an "Eyes Wide Shut" type event with Kate Middleton and Prince William, and then used that to entrap Prince William into marriage and therefore make Prince William completely controllable.

Now since the Monarchy is illegitimate, and all the parties in it have been illegitimate since the birth of Queen Victoria's second child Princess Vicky in 1840, then whoever has the most control over the Monarchy gets to run the monarchy.

And it appears that Kate Middleton is an agent, in a similar way that J.F.K.’s wife, Jackie Kennedy who became Jackie Onassis was an agent. She moved from President of the United States to one of the biggest shipping magnate and heroin traffickers on the planet -- Aristotle Onassis.

And whenever Aristotle Onassis got in trouble with his heroin trafficking, he would call in the highest diplomat that he could to fluff around so that anyone who wanted to charge him would be too embarrassed to charge him. And the person he used for that was Winston Churchill. So post World War II, Winston Churchill spent a lot of time with Aristotle Onassis.

So the "Eyes Wide Shut" type Sex Clubs like Killing Kittens which Kate Middleton is associated with, links to the Drug Trafficking. And there are a lot of reports, actually on-going reports, of Prime Minister David Cameron, his father being a Ship Jumper between the heroin and the money, taking the heroin over and taking the money back.

And this sort of thing can only happen with an illegitimate monarchy, and Queen Elizabeth II doesn't have any say in the matter because Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Philip have extorted Princess Eliz

abeth into marriage, and control of their children, including Lord Louis Mountbatten's sex with Prince Charles, and the parentage of the other children.

A Triumvirate formed for the heroin trafficking which involved Prince Philip, Lord Porchester and Lord Plunket, and it appears that Queen Elizabeth II who is virtually a slave, because she’s compromised, that she had a child with the heroin trafficker Lord Porchester called Prince Andrew, and then she had a child with the heroin trafficker Lord Plunket called Prince Edward.

And then Prince Philip had sex with Prince Edward’s wife, Sophie Rhys-Jones, and produced their child.

So in compromising the Royal Family, Prince Philip who was initially an outsider, has taken control of the British Royal Family, he has turned it into a paedophile, heroin trafficking and Nazi organisation which is not a Royal Family at all.

The British Royal Family, as they are illegitimate, is completely destroying the United Kingdom from within...

... Greg Hallett: Yeah all by itself, but you know, there’s just a plethora of information here, and again I want to say that, I want to get this information out, and it's the dark side, because the Incumbent Fake, Flat Lie Royal, Invention of Tradition Royal Family is a Fraud and they're up to all sorts of sexual, murderous, and drug trafficking tricks.

And part of the result of 'the Shin', in the middle of 'the Shin', was to turn the British Empire into a Mafia operation, which the people of England really know that it is, which included World War II and the training of Adolf Hitler in 1912, from February to November 1912, and it turns out that Adolf Hitler is first cousin with Queen Elizabeth II.

Jim Fetzer: Hitler was a cousin of Queen Elizabeth II?

Greg Hallett: Lionel Nathan Rothschild was the father of King Edward VII who was the father of Winston Churchill who was the father of Queen Elizabeth II, and Lionel Nathan Rothschild was the father of Alois Hitler, Hitler's father, and then Adolf Hitler.

So actually, Queen Elizabeth's father was first cousins -- Winston Churchill was first cousins with Adolf Hitler.

And Adolf Hitler was trained in Britain in the Tavistock there and or the Tavistock which was in Ireland up until 1920, 1921, until the Irish Civil War and the South gained its independence.

What I'd like to point out, it shows it very clearly in the video, Prince William is very definitely the son of King Juan Carlos of Spain, and the photos that I've got up there show them to be absolutely identical. You just look at them and go, that's father and that’s son. I’ve got photos of them at age 24 and 28.

And their partners, Queen Counsel Sofia and Kate Middleton, also look incredibly similar. So the last video we discussed that perhaps fathers and sons pick wives which are similar to their father's wife.

Prince Harry is the son of James Hewitt. Lady Diana organised that both of Prince Charles’ sons would be illegitimate.

So now we've got a Law of Succession proposed change, instigated by the Fake Royal Family, backdated to Queen Elizabeth's abdication on the 28th of October 2011, that the Royal Family and the Monarch jump Prince Charles, the current Prince of Wales, and go to his children.

And in all of the literature that's up on the government websites about the proposed changes to the Laws of Succession, Prince Charles is not mentioned; and it's not mentioned that it's only for the children of Prince Charles, it’s just mentioned on the PR side of it, that it's to allow for the Monarch to marry Catholics and remain being a Monarch, and for the elder daughter to be the Monarch over the younger son.

So everyone goes - oh great, that's equality for religion and equality for the sexes.

But in actual fact, what they're doing with the Change of Laws to Succession is creating an entirely new Kingship because Prince Charles has no legitimate children.

So what they're trying to do is to get the Commonwealth Heads of Government to vote for a New King.

Obviously, what's happening is they're voting for a Mafia King because Prince William is illegitimate and he's controlled by Kate Middleton who's got strong associations with the Killing Kittens sex club, and who's father was a sexual playboy with Prince Philip who didn’t have any limits to what he would try sexually. He was basically into everything, men, women, boys, girls, snuff.

Queen Elizabeth II couldn’t do anything about it because she's illegitimate.

Jim Fetzer: Who is into all of that, Greg?

Greg Hallett: Prince Philip.

Jim Fetzer: Prince Philip himself into all that, including snuff!

Greg Hallett: That's why there are bodies round Sandringham House. He was very closely associated with Jimmy Savile who was a well-known paedophile, who was guiding Prince Charles and whom Prince Charles gave him an 80th birthday present and said Thank you. Nobody will know what youv'e done for this country

What Jimmy Savile was doing, was organising children for paedophilia for the Royals and Elite, which are the Fake Royals. Because Prince William is illegitimate, the line of Windsor has ended.

Queen Elizabeth II abdicated on the 28th of October 2011, confirmed that to us with finding the body of the True King on the 7th of December 2012; and they changed the Laws of Succession done to bypass Prince Charles who appears to be a victim of paedophilia, and a paedophile, and has close friends who are paedophiles, and it appears that his father is a paedophile, Prince Philip.

So they're creating an entirely new kingship, which is a Change to the Laws of Succession to the Throne of England.

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED

The Abdication of 'Queen' Elizabeth II

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The Secret History of the British 'Royals'

by GREG HALLETT/ JIM FETZER

ACFC0A.jpg (PHOTO: In order to retain the crown, they sold their daughter into marriage to Prince Philip. Lord Louis Mountbatten also included rights for under-aged sex with the firstborn – Prima Nocte,Droit du seigneur, Right of the Lord where the Lord takes the virginity of the serf – and that serf was Prince Charles. Prince Charles was a paedophile victim from a young age. Prince Philip and Lord Louis Mountbatten also had sexual relations. From left to right - Prince Charles with Lord Louis Mountbatten and Prince Philip.)

(Excerpt from a transcript: interview of author Greg Hallett by Jim Fetzer)

Queen Elizabeth II, or the invention of tradition called "Queen Elizabeth II" fails to be the Queen on several counts that have occurred during her lifetime, from her birth, and from her purported lineage going back to 1840.

So the person called Queen Elizabeth II is actually an 'Invention of Tradition' carrying a 160-year line of Illegitimate Royals who were brought in concurrently with the British Empire being a Mafia Empire.

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Once again we see Gaal and Fetzer being drawn to vile anti-Semites like bears to honey or flies to....

Greg Hallett & the Spymaster:

Gifting the United Nations to Stalin

http://greghallett.com

The Jews are not good rulers of the planet. they bred the Jewish leaders of WWII, hid their Jewish secret society origins and then used them to kill jews in order to create a state of Israel. Ever since, Israel has been a Mecca for war, peace frauds, oil thefts, insurance jobs (9-11), international designer drug rings, and political-psycological sex-rings.

The sexual and psycological training of Western leaders has led to such control of governments, voting has become a complete waste of time, disguised, rather badly, as free choice.

This has resulted in a One World Order where entire economics are controlled by globalisation, where stock and financial markets are rigged - the Jews again - either to retain or replace the current leader of a country.

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So you have no comments regarding the material presented ?????

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It's ridiculous crap with no supporting evidence.

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THERE IS ON THE INTERNET "THE LAST INTERVIEW OF GG ALLIN" >>>

GOLLY WHO DID THEY SAY LIKED LITTLE BOYS ??? JUST ASKING QUESTION.

Is that supporting evidence ??

Lord Mountbatten linked to Kincora child abuse ring

It was alledged in the book 'War of the Windsors', and the Sunday People newspaper pg17, that Lord Mountbatten was rumoured to have been linked to the Kincora boy's abuse network. Lord Mountbatten the last viceroy in India, was reknowned to be wildly promiscuous, bisexual and to enjoy a bit of 'rough' or the plesures of young working class boys or indeed peasant indian boys. In other words Lord Mountbatten enjoyed rogering the children of lower classes and peasants globally.

This is revealed in the book 'War of the Windsors', and may account for the non prosecution of Kincora clients and the relunctance of the authorities to act against those running the Kincora care home untill 1981, despite the vice ring being in operation since 1977, and the repeated allegations made against those pillars of society, upright citizens in charge of Kincora. The very Reverend William McGrath and co. Those operating the Kincora child vice ring were eventually prosecuted in 1981, but no charges were ever brought against the elite VIP clientelle of the Kincora child abuse vice ring, which included, prominent buisnessmen, hanging judges and government officials who were never prosecuted for their exploitation and sexual abuse of young working class boys. In court it was found that the so called pillars of society running the home, were guilty of the RITUAL sexual abuse of defenceless young boys in their care, whom they exploited and sold to their VIP clientelle. The authorities relunctance to act against the Kincora paedophiles also may have been because of the proven MI5/special branch interest in the VIP clientelle of the Kincora child vice network. These powerful authortarian figures would prove useful and supportive of any RUC actions in the future, given the MI5 files complied on the Kincora clientelle. Many of the VIP clientelle who sexually abused and degraded young working class boys are still prominent members of Ulster society, still highly respected pillars of society, some still High court judges, magistrates etc, some even have roles which give them direct access to children, some are now governors of schools, some are doctors etc. Their sordid grubby elite existence unaffected and unsoiled by their perverted behaviour and abuse of young working class children. These scumbags got off scot free from the Kincora child abuse scandal with their reputations and social status intact and unaffected, because the authorities chose not to prosecute them, afterall it was only young working class children they abused, and the working class are always expendable to the rich. In the world and exclusive social circles of these scumbags it is ok for rich perverts to sexuallly and physically abuse the children of the poor. The moral code of the filthy rich and powerful says this is clearly acceptable behaviour. Now we know why they're called the filthy rich.

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It's ridiculous crap with no supporting evidence.

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THERE IS ON THE INTERNET "THE LAST INTERVIEW OF GG ALLIN" >>>

GOLLY WHO DID THEY SAY LIKED LITTLE BOYS ??? JUST ASKING QUESTION.

Is that supporting evidence ??

Not surprised to see you're still not above personal attacks

Lord Mountbatten linked to Kincora child abuse ring

It was alledged in the book 'War of the Windsors', and the Sunday People newspaper pg17, that Lord Mountbatten was rumoured to have been linked to the Kincora boy's abuse network.

Gee, someone on the Internet said it was alleged there were rumors, can't get much more soild than that! The lead author of the book claimed in another that the man held as Hess in the UK and then Spandau was not really Hess. get back to us with equaly solid documentation that Queen Victoria's kids were sired by Lord Rothschild or that QEII abdicated in 2011..

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man held as Hess in the UK and then Spandau was not really Hess.// end Colby

======================= Gee you never looked into HESS matter >???

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man held as Hess in the UK and then Spandau was not really Hess.// end Colby

======================= Gee you never looked into HESS matter >???

Amazing for the 2nd time today you show up minutes after I post, you must live here 24/7.

Yes I looked into which is why the author's name was familiar to me,

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man held as Hess in the UK and then Spandau was not really Hess.// end Colby

======================= Gee you never looked into HESS matter >???

Amazing for the 2nd time today you show up minutes after I post, you must live here 24/7.

Yes I looked into which is why the author's name was familiar to me,

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OK DEBATE SIMKIN ON THE ISSUE

Simkin

Posted 23 August 2007 - 12:46 PM

I have argued that it is possible that Winston Churchill ordered the deaths of the General Sikorski and the Duke of Kent to cover-up peace negotiations with Hitler in 1940 and 1941. It was not in the interests of other neo-Nazis such as the Duke of Hamilton, Samuel Hoare, the Duke of Buccleuch, Sir Archibald Ramsay to reveal their role in these activities after the war had finished. The aristocracy and the Tory establishment went along with the myth that Britain had fought the Second World War on behalf of freedom and democracy. Not that the British public was fooled and Churchill was ousted from power when the Tory Party suffered a landslide defeat in the 1945 General Election.

The main problem for Churchill and his co-conspirators was Rudolf Hess. He was the one German involved in these negotiations who was still alive after the war. According to Dr Hugh Thomas, who physically examined the man claiming to be Hess in Berlin in 1973, the prisoner was an imposter (Prisoner Number 7). Thomas argues his case in two books, The Murder of Rudolf Hess (1979) and Rudolf Hess: A Tale of Two Murders (1988). The most convincing aspect of his argument is that the prisoner he examined did not bear the scars from the First World War.

In June 1916 Hess suffered gunshot wounds to his body, left hand and arm. As doctors will tell you, scars might fade with time, but they never disappear. Yet a total of 58 doctors examined Hess after 1941 and not one mentioned these scars. The most detailed medical examination of Hess was carried out by Dr. Ben Hurewitz in Nuremberg in 1945. Even though Hurewitz listed every wart and blemish on the prisoner’s body, including a quarter-inch wart on his chest and a very faint half-inch-long scar on one of his fingers, there is no mention of the war wounds he received in 1916. (J. R. Rees, The Case of Rudolf Hess, 1947, page 136)

Nor did Hurewitz, or the other 57 doctors, mention the scar on the back of his head that was caused during a fight with communists in the early 1920s. (Hugh Thomas, A Tale of Two Murders, 1988, page 15)

It has been argued that Hess had made up this First World War injury as part of the Nazi propaganda campaign during the 1920s. However, Dr Thomas was able to find Hess’ medical records at the Berlin Documents Centre. It clearly states that Hess was “severely wounded in the storming of the Ungureana” in June 1916. It clearly states that a rifle bullet hit his left lung and that he spent four months in various hospitals, followed by a further six week’s convalescent leave. (Hugh Thomas, A Tale of Two Murders, 1988, pages 27-29)

We also know that Hess wrote a letter to his parents while recovering from hospital where he described the injury as “a clean through-shot, in under the left shoulder, out of the back.” (quoted in Peter Padfield’s Hess: The Führer’s Disciple, 1995, page 9)

In 1989, BBC journalist, Roy McHardy, found a more detailed medical file of Hess’s 1916 war wound in the Bavarian State Archives. (Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince and Stephen Prior, Double Standards, 2001, page 358) It includes details of his final examination before being released from hospital. “Three fingers above the left armpit, a pea-sized, bluish-coloured, non-reactive scar from an entry wound. On the back, at the height of the fourtb dorsal vertebra, two fingers from the spine, a non-reactive exit gunshot wound the size of a cherry stone.” (Military Doctors Certificate, dated 12 December, 1917)

When Hess died in 1987, there were two post-mortem examination. The official one by Professor J. Malcolm Cameron and an independent autopsy carried out on behalf of the Hess family. Neither report mentioned the scars caused by the 1916 gunshot wounds. However, they did find the scars caused by the so-called 1945 suicide attempt. This only shows that the man identified as Hess in 1945 was the person who died in 1987. When Thomas interviewed Cameron he admitted that as far as he was concerned, the scars from the 1916 shooting did not exist (Hugh Thomas, A Tale of Two Murders, 1988, page 192)

Hess was examined many times by British doctors between 1945 and 1987. Not one mentioned the scars caused by the 1916 shooting. (Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince and Stephen Prior, Double Standards, 2001, page 361)

In August 1988, Dr. David Owen raised the question about the missing scar. The Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe wrongly said that Cameron had noted the scar in his report. When Cameron denied this, the Foreign Office issued a statement in November 1988 to say that there was “a fibrous, irregular, roughly circular old scar typical of an exit wound…. in a posterior position on the left side of the chest”. The government failed to explain why this was not put in either of the original autopsy reports. (Duff Hart-Davies, Reign of Silence at the Foreign Office, Independent, 11th August, 1988)

However, Duff Hart-Davies, a journalist working for “The Independent” newspaper, found a high-level source within the Foreign Office who claimed that they made strenuous efforts to find the missing scars at the time of the death of Prisoner Number 7. However, they were unable to do so. When Dr. David Owen asked the question in the House of Commons a year later they were forced to try again. This time they were able to find the missing scar. (Duff Hart-Davies, The Curious Case of the Reappearing Scar, Independent, 10thNovember, 1988) It seems very strange that doctors could not find these scars between 1945 and 1987 but could find them over a year after his death.

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man held as Hess in the UK and then Spandau was not really Hess.// end Colby

======================= Gee you never looked into HESS matter >???

Amazing for the 2nd time today you show up minutes after I post, you must live here 24/7.

Yes I looked into which is why the author's name was familiar to me,

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OK DEBATE SIMKIN ON THE ISSUE

Simkin

Posted 23 August 2007 - 12:46 PM

I have argued that it is possible that Winston Churchill ordered the deaths of the General Sikorski and the Duke of Kent to cover-up peace negotiations with Hitler in 1940 and 1941. It was not in the interests of other neo-Nazis such as the Duke of Hamilton, Samuel Hoare, the Duke of Buccleuch, Sir Archibald Ramsay to reveal their role in these activities after the war had finished. The aristocracy and the Tory establishment went along with the myth that Britain had fought the Second World War on behalf of freedom and democracy. Not that the British public was fooled and Churchill was ousted from power when the Tory Party suffered a landslide defeat in the 1945 General Election.

The main problem for Churchill and his co-conspirators was Rudolf Hess. He was the one German involved in these negotiations who was still alive after the war. According to Dr Hugh Thomas, who physically examined the man claiming to be Hess in Berlin in 1973, the prisoner was an imposter (Prisoner Number 7). Thomas argues his case in two books, The Murder of Rudolf Hess (1979) and Rudolf Hess: A Tale of Two Murders (1988). The most convincing aspect of his argument is that the prisoner he examined did not bear the scars from the First World War.

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I did and he changed his view to one not very far from mine see his later posts on the topic:

...as far as I am concerned,
the evidence suggests it was Hess in Spandau
. I say that mainly by reading the letters Hess wrote in prison to his wife. If they were written by an impostor, they were very well done. She was convinced that they were from her husband and when she was finally allowed to meet him, she confirmed the man was Hess. The only concern she had was that his voice had appeared to change.

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I am not convinced that the Hess that appeared at the Nuremberg Trials, was an imposter. There are two main reasons for this. Firstly, the content of the letters written by Hess while in captivity. Secondly, the identification of Hess by his wife and his close friends. The photographic evidence of Hess pre-1941 and post-1941 also suggests to me that he was who he says he was.

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There are three possible theories: (1) Hess was killed with the Prince of Wales and that someone else impersonated Hess until his murder/suicide. (2) Hess remained alive but was brainwashed by Dr. Donald Ewen Cameron. (3) Hess really did lose his memory and told the truth at Nuremberg.

Personally, I favour the second theory
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If one looks to obscure bloggers they can find evidence of anything they want.

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If one looks to obscure bloggers they can find evidence of anything they want.

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NEED TO LOOK ELSEWHERE ON BRITISH SEX SCANDALS OH !! like the MSM !! (gee thanks !!)

BBC accused of ‘cover-up’ as evidence from Savile inquiry is heavily censored

Senior staff’s evidence into dropping of Newsnight abuse probe is blacked out

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Edited by Steven Gaal

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I'm not interested in pursuing tangents on this thread, get back to use with valid evidence in support of the claims from the OP.

EDIT - Typos

Edited by Len Colby

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