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Oswald Leaving TSBD?

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17 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Hello Ray, I wasn't headed in that direction at all. I was reading the Mockingbird thread last night, then read your post this morning and I thought the TSBD, intelligence and Mockingbird angle were interesting, if off topic. I generally veer away from photo analysis issues since it gets so contentious. I wouldn't go near an argument about how tall someone was based on anything other than a mugshot with the ruler/tape thing in the pic.

I just bumped a thread, linked it from here with your quote, thinking it might spurn interesting analysis elsewhere. I'll spend some time on that angle and it's a plus when others chime in with their current thoughts as I read.

Cheers,

Michael

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On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2017 at 6:50 AM, Bill Miller said:

Often times a clip is clearer if seen at regular speed instead of inching it along .... can someone show the alleged images of the Oswald looking fellow at their normal speed (possibly looped) ?  I question whether the man is wearing a high shirt collared shirt and suit jacket.

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Bill,

Yes, it seems to me from this frame that this fellow is wearing a suit and tie.  The face is very common.   It could be anybody.

Ultimately, I don't see enough evidence that anybody has identified Oswald in front of the TSBD.

The closest we have is sworn testimony from Dallas Deputy Roger Craig, who said he saw Oswald running down the Grassy Knoll to rush into a Green Rambler, driven by a dark-skinned man.  Yet this suggests to me that Oswald ran from behind the TSBD, not from the front steps.

Prayer Man cannot be Oswald, if we go by sworn statements of eye-witnesses, all of which deny seeing Oswald on the first floor TSBD.  Also, that figure known as Prayer Man seems too fat to be Oswald, and is wearing a very large shirt.

Again -- DPD Captain Will Fritz and Dallas Postmaster Harry Holmes were not eye-witnesses, and their notes from their alleged interviews of Oswald on 11/24/1963 have no chain of evidence -- they were produced only WEEKS after Oswald was killed in the custody of Fritz.  They cannot be safely relied upon to argue that Oswald was with Bill Shelley outside the TSBD.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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11 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

The closest we have is sworn testimony from Dallas Deputy Roger Craig, who said he saw Oswald running down the Grassy Knoll to rush into a Green Rambler, driven by a dark-skinned man.  Yet this suggests to me that Oswald ran from behind the TSBD, not from the front steps.

I agree that Lee probably left the building out a rear exit.

 

11 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Prayer Man cannot be Oswald, if we go by sworn statements of eye-witnesses, all of which deny seeing Oswald on the first floor TSBD.  Also, that figure known as Prayer Man seems too fat to be Oswald, and is wearing a very large shirt.

I must also agree.

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On 8/17/2013 at 6:26 PM, David Von Pein said:

In this forum thread, once again, we're treated to people using their vivid imaginations to stamp a specific identity on a fuzzy and very indistinct human being seen in a low-quality film/photo.

How in the world can anyone positively say WHO "prayer man" is here? It's impossible.

But when I look at these toggling frames from one of the assassination films, the thing I'm most fascinated by (other than Officer Baker running for the TSBD entrance) is the man in the foreground (wearing the hat). He appears to be tilting his head upward to look at the upper floors of the Depository.

Hmmmm....I wonder why he'd be doing that? Any ideas?

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I like the speed of this one.

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On 8/22/2013 at 10:25 PM, Robert Prudhomme said:

These are good questions. The best response I can think of is that Truly and Baker would have had to conduct a whirlwind search of all of the floors. Norman and his friends took their time coming down (and it is quite surprising they never met Truly and Baker either coming up or going down) but they were not THAT long in coming down.

Do you think Officer Baker would have rushed to the top of the TSBD only to spend a couple of minutes up there?

Yes,  Because he said he thought the shots had come from up there, didn't he?

--  Tommy :sun

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