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Oswald Leaving TSBD?

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Cabluck shows a light dress and dark top, we are looking for a dark dress and light top. ?

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Cabluck shows a light dress and dark top, we are looking for a dark dress and light top. ?

Exactly, Robin. From what I can see, I do not believe the running woman in Darnell is Gloria Calvary (assuming the woman in Cabluck definitely is Calvary).

I am interested though in who the running woman in Darnell actually is.

She is either wearing a dark skirt with a lighter top, or a dark dress with a light sweater over the top. Did you get a chance to look at the women in the Croft photo?

My interest in the Cabluck timing is how it will mesh with the meeting between Calvary, Shelley and Lovelady.

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In the other Cabluck photo Haygood is seen still running towards the overpass wall.

so it must soon after the assassination. ( taken just prior to Bond 6 ) I won't guess at the timing in minutes. ?

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Robin,

I think Cabluck was sitting/standing inside the White House Press Bus #1 when he took these photos (through a window of the bus). This bus is seen in about that position in Bond 5, Willis 6 and Towner 3, and possibly in Skaggs 6.

The composition of the motorcade is described in the linked dokument. Those in bus #1 are listed on page 25. It is stated that Cabluck left the bus and headed for the Grassy knoll. Bus # 2 is seen in Bond 7.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/M%20Disk/Motorcade%20Route/Item%2015.pdf

BG

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Yes Sean

This paragraph has certainly been

embellished past participle, past tense ofem·bel·lish (Verb)

Verb

  1. .
  2. Make (a statement or story) more interesting or entertaining by adding extra details, esp. ones that are not true.

Oswald stated that on November 22, 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-cola form the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there. Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employees lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly [...]

Original

Oswald stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. Oswald claimed to be on the first floor when President John F. Kennedy passed this building.

at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn ?

He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelly ?

'Embellished' is right, Robin.

The second report is a blatant attempt to incorporate the "officer came in" element--the element so conspicuously missing from the joint Bookhout-Hosty report--in a way that is safe,

i.e. in a way that hides what is about to happen in a few seconds time here...

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Bookhout's notes do not say "when [the] off[icer] came in room".

They say "when [the] off came in to [the] 1st fl[oor]"

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This tread has reminded me of the poem ‘Antigonishby William Hughes Mearns (1875–1965), also known as the song The Little Man Who Wasn't There’ as performed by Glenn Miller:

Yesterday upon the stair

I met a man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

When I came home last night at three

The man was waiting there for me

But when I looked around the hall

I couldn’t see him there at all!

Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!

Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door.

Last night I saw upon the stair

A little man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

Regards

Bjørn Gjerde

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This tread has reminded me of the poem ‘Antigonishby William Hughes Mearns (1875–1965), also known as the song The Little Man Who Wasn't There’ as performed by Glenn Miller:

Yesterday upon the stair

I met a man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

When I came home last night at three

The man was waiting there for me

But when I looked around the hall

I couldn’t see him there at all!

Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!

Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door.

Last night I saw upon the stair

A little man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

Regards

Bjørn Gjerde

Hi Bjorn.

Do you believe that 'Prayer Man' could be Oswald?

Thanks.

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I am looking for some more information/photos of James Darnell. I believe there were references to 1-2 FBI reports.

There is also a WBAP TV film clip from 11/22/63 in which James Darnell interviews witness Jean Hill.

After leaping out of the Local Press Convertible, Darnell ran West on the South Side of Elm St towards the Knoll/Underpass and shot some film. There is a good chance he might appear in one of the many shots taken of that area after the assassination. Has anyone here recognized him in any of those photos?

I believe at one point he was very close to Mary Moorman.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=9768

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This tread has reminded me of the poem ‘Antigonishby William Hughes Mearns (1875–1965), also known as the song The Little Man Who Wasn't There’ as performed by Glenn Miller:

Yesterday upon the stair

I met a man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

When I came home last night at three

The man was waiting there for me

But when I looked around the hall

I couldn’t see him there at all!

Go away, go away, don’t you come back any more!

Go away, go away, and please don’t slam the door.

Last night I saw upon the stair

A little man who wasn’t there

He wasn’t there again today

Oh, how I wish he’d go away

Regards

Bjørn Gjerde

Hi Bjorn.

Do you believe that 'Prayer Man' could be Oswald?

Thanks.

What an appropriate poem for this thread.

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Interesting excerpt from Dave Rietzes site (from another forum)

Officer "E"

.......Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do......"

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html

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Interesting excerpt from Dave Rietzes site (from another forum)

Officer "E"

.......Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do......"

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html

Another very interesting quote from Baker, Ray. Do you know when that interview took place? It is presented in the context of evidence for the HSCA, but I did not see a date for the quotes.

Edited by Richard Hocking

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Interesting excerpt from Dave Rietzes site (from another forum)

Officer "E"

.......Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do......"

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html

Interesting excerpt from Dave Rietzes site (from another forum)

Officer "E"

.......Though I didn't see exactly where the shots came from, I knew in my own mind they probably came from the corner building as the sound was right and because of the pigeons. So I headed there, got off my motor and entered the building (the Texas School Book Depository). It took a while because of the crowd; they had started moving in every direction.

The man who said he was the building superintendent was outside and met me at the door and went in with me. Shortly after I entered the building I confronted Oswald. The man who identified himself as the superintendent said that Oswald was all right, that he was employed there. We left Oswald there, and the supervisor showed me the way upstairs. We couldn't get anyone to send the freight elevator down. In giving the place a quick check, I found nothing that seemed out of the ordinary, so I started back to see what had happened. Not knowing for sure what had happened, I was limited in what I could legally do......"

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html

Another very interesting quote from Baker, Ray. Do you know when that interview took place? It is presented in the context of evidence for the HSCA, but I did not see a date for the quotes.

Richard, the quote is from

http://www.jfk-online.com/bowles6.html on Dave Rietzes' site. Sorry, no further info, but thought it was of interest.

The Kennedy Assassination Tapes

A Rebuttal to the Acoustical Evidence Theory

by

James C. Bowles

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