LHOCW VOL 2 now available

[Greg Parker]

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Edited September 13, 2015 by Greg Parker

[Mark Knight]

The elephant in the room: the seeds of the False Defector Program

Loyalty Police

Silence was the stern reply.

That's okay. I get it. Everyone just wants to churn over the same old stuff. Cool.

I can accommodate.

I clicked on the link yesterday and it wouldn't come up for me. It just came up today, so I'm in the process of reading it.

[Mark Knight]

The elephant in the room: the seeds of the False Defector Program

Loyalty Police

Silence was the stern reply.

That's okay. I get it. Everyone just wants to churn over the same old stuff. Cool.

I can accommodate.

I clicked on the link yesterday and it wouldn't come up for me. It just came up today, so I'm in the process of reading it.

Just read that section...

It certainly puts Oswald's CAP membership in a different light, and it just might answer some questions about his knowledge of the Russian language and more.

[Greg Parker]

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[Steven Gaal]

The topic of the defector program is a very old JFK research item. ,gaal

The real Defector Program DCID 4/2 1959 and Synder

James K. Olmstead

8 years ago http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder

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PRISCILLA JOHNSON:
Witness for the Prosecution

13 years ago http://www.jfk-info.com/verb-4.htm

(OF NOTE PER LINK "Finally, Oswald impressed me because he was the first and, as it turned out, the only 'ideological' defector I met in Moscow. Of the two or three other American defectors I encountered [my emphasis], none claimed to be motivated by a belief in communism.")

[Greg Parker]

The topic of the defector program is a very old JFK research item. ,gaal

The real Defector Program DCID 4/2 1959 and Synder

James K. Olmstead

8 years ago http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder

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Here are the relevant quotes:

DCID 4/2 THE DEFECTOR PROGRAM ABROAD.....dated 26 June, 1959 and revised 6

May, 1960.

To find DCID 4/2 one had to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go

to Bogota, Columbia.

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The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures for

defector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents of

defectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can be

established that his "return" would be addressed by this local Defector

Committee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, but

it can be seen.

Having known and worked with Jim extensively, let me interpret this for you:

It goes back to Bogota because it was a direct result of the assassination of Gaitan and the subsequent Bogotazo which I covered extensively in first volume. The ORIGINAL Directive 4/2 was signed September 28, 1950.

PRIORITY LIST OF CRITICAL NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE OBJECTIVES

In accordance with DCI 4/1,2 paragraph 3, the following list of critical national intelligence objectives, with respect to the USSR, is established; so the highest priority shall be given to the collection of information and to the production of intelligence concerning Soviet capabilities and intentions for:

1. taking direct military action against the Continental United States;

2. taking direct military action, employing USSR Armed Forces, against vital U.S. possessions, areas peripheral to the Soviet Union, and Western Europe;

3. interfering with U.S. strategic air attack;

4. interfering with U.S. movement of men and material by water transport;

5. production and stockpiling, including location of installations and facilities, of atomic and related weapons, other critical weapons and equipment, and critical transportation equipment;

6. creating situations anywhere in the world dangerous to U.S. national security, short of commitment of Soviet Armed Forces, including foreign directed sabotage and espionage objectives;

7. interfering with U.S. political, psychological, and economic courses of action for the achievement of critical U.S. aims and objectives.

So the main objective was the collection of intelligence.

Jim states quite rightly that the Defector Program which sign off in June 1959 was aimed at defectors FROM the SU coming to the US. He ads that the Defector Committee would also play a role in Oswald's return TO the US as a defector TO the SU. Why? Because of the potential intelligence he could offer.

What the program did NOT do was send FALSE defectors to the SU. A FALSE defector program does not have the collection of intelligence as its primary objective and so cannot fall within 4/2. Moreover, June 1959 is way past too late. Oswald was at least 3 months into the planning by then.

Nice try, but no cupie doll.

[Steven Gaal]

http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder <<< LINK

"To find DCID 4/2 one has to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go YES James K. Olmstead Covered the origin of DCID 4/2 about 7 years before
to Bogota, Columbia. PARKERS FIRST VOLUME Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal

The first consideration is that Synder's connection to the CIA in 1959, as
a "asset" is immaterial. The nature of his Embassy employment puts him
directly involved with "Defectors". Each US Embassy had established in
1959 a committee known as a "local Defector Committee". This local
committee was composed of the following:

Security Officer.......note the Chief of Security was arrested outside
train station day Oswald arrived. Administrative Officer CAS Service
Attaches (this includes CIA/FBI/ONI/CID agents assigned cover tasks or
jobs) Counsellor of Embassy (this links the AG's office......see LHO's
return and RFK)

Synder is directly involved and a great deal of his actions concerning
Oswald's defection and return are suspect. His assignment placed him
directly involved in this "local Defector Committee" who he "reported to
is immaterial since all "intelligence reps" were part of this "joint"
operation. The only information NOT shared would be individual counter
intelligence operations in effect conducted by committee members higher
parent organization.....unless there was a general "need to know" basis.

The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures for
defector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents of
defectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can be
established that his "return" would be addressed by this local Defector
Committee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, but
it can be seen.

To fully understand the actions of Synder that are suspect, one most
evaluate the proceedures outlined in DCID 4/2. Not one published work on
Oswald deals with DCID 4/2. No WC supporter can counter the
considerations of this established USG program and Oswald's defection.

Did Synder do anything criminal.......IMO no.....but his actions remain Synder didn't follow procedures of DCID 4/2 for any defector in Oswald's case
suspect since basic considerations were "not followed" directed and Synder thus acted like Oswald wasnt a real defector ,like Oswald was a false defector.
outlined by DCID 4/2. Cover up of actions also fall within protection Parkers objection/issue of the collection of intelligence as its (Defection) primary objective,
considerations of National Security programs in effect between 1959 and isnt relevant in this case. Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal
1980."

Edited September 14, 2015 by Steven Gaal

[Greg Parker]

I really would get more from arguing with a bottle of ketchup.

[Steven Gaal]

I really would get more from arguing with a bottle of ketchup.

PARKER OBJECTS TO NOT HAVING NEW MATERIAL. WELL VOLUME ONE DOSENT LOOK TOO NEW.,gaal SEE POST # 68 above.

Also Parker's analysis of the DCID 4/2 is weak. Parker dosent get," it " it seems. Synder dosent follow procedures and treat LHO as any kind of defector. THUS SYNDER TREATS HIM AS A NULL DEFECTOR AKA FALSE DEFECTOR. ,gaal

pla·gia·rism

ˈplājəˌrizəm/

noun

noun: plagiarism; plural noun: plagiarisms

the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. ,gaal

Edited September 13, 2015 by Steven Gaal

[Greg Parker]

Parker objects to nothing except Bogans and Vogons and odd little offspring.

[Steven Gaal]

BUMPED ,but please let me add

https://books.google.com/books?id=-BlZCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT79&lpg=PT79&dq=%22U2%22+surveillance+%22ONI%22&source=bl&ots=kPmwITHYey&sig=X2NWwYIlYv6RuAWvbvl7_3gLa4Y&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CE0Q6AEwB2oVChMIlZfSx5f1xwIVQZyICh3BeggQ#v=onepage&q=%22U2%22%20surveillance%20%22ONI%22&f=false

see Synder above

http://alt.assassination.jfk.narkive.com/hl3kTMh7/the-real-defector-program-dcid-4-2-1959-and-synder <<< LINK

"To find DCID 4/2 one has to look "outside" the box, in fact one had to go YES James K. Olmstead Covered the origin of DCID 4/2 about 7 years before
to Bogota, Columbia. PARKERS FIRST VOLUME Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal

The first consideration is that Synder's connection to the CIA in 1959, as
a "asset" is immaterial. The nature of his Embassy employment puts him
directly involved with "Defectors". Each US Embassy had established in
1959 a committee known as a "local Defector Committee". This local
committee was composed of the following:

Security Officer.......note the Chief of Security was arrested outside
train station day Oswald arrived. Administrative Officer CAS Service
Attaches (this includes CIA/FBI/ONI/CID agents assigned cover tasks or
jobs) Counsellor of Embassy (this links the AG's office......see LHO's
return and RFK)

Synder is directly involved and a great deal of his actions concerning
Oswald's defection and return are suspect. His assignment placed him
directly involved in this "local Defector Committee" who he "reported to
is immaterial since all "intelligence reps" were part of this "joint"
operation. The only information NOT shared would be individual counter
intelligence operations in effect conducted by committee members higher
parent organization.....unless there was a general "need to know" basis.

The primary goal of DCID 4/2 deals with esablishing proceedures for
defector's coming over to "our side". It would also handle incidents of
defectors going over to the "dark side". In Oswald's case it can be
established that his "return" would be addressed by this local Defector
Committee. Showing his role during his 1959 actions is much harder, but
it can be seen.

To fully understand the actions of Synder that are suspect, one most
evaluate the proceedures outlined in DCID 4/2. Not one published work on
Oswald deals with DCID 4/2. No WC supporter can counter the
considerations of this established USG program and Oswald's defection.

Did Synder do anything criminal.......IMO no.....but his actions remain Synder didn't follow procedures of DCID 4/2 for any defector in Oswald's case
suspect since basic considerations were "not followed" directed and Synder thus acted like Oswald wasnt a real defector ,like Oswald was a false defector.
outlined by DCID 4/2. Cover up of actions also fall within protection Parkers objection/issue of the collection of intelligence as its (Defection) primary objective,
considerations of National Security programs in effect between 1959 and isnt relevant in this case. Nice try, but no cupie doll. ,gaal
1980."

Edited September 14, 2015 by Steven Gaal