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PRAYER PERSON - PRAYER MAN OR PRAYER WOMAN? RESEARCH THREAD

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No really , you did not mention Baker and Truly going in as per the O.V. Campbell quoted article???

And the coke matter again, you missed the vital part of your claim.

And supply us with the girth pic!!!

 

Getting tired Miller?

 

You ought to come t The Flying Horse Pub in London this Sat, I am giving a little talk about this event. You and Doyle ought to visit, it would be a fab eye opener for the pair of you. Ah ok you bring Uncle Paul along as well. 3 for the price of 2.

OK?

Edited by Bart Kamp

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43 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Buahahahahah

I do not need to post a study as I see no girth, you yet still have to post an image that shows Prayer Man's girth. Stop the smoke and mirrors exercise. 

I still await an answer for the NYHT fugezi remark, I mean the last thing we want is Albert/Brian Doyle to keep believing......

Come on we are all waiting!!!

So you complained of a slight of hand by my not posting a photo of Oswald without the additional shirt as if that would somehow bulk him up .... well it appears that it didn't do anything but show a skinny man with a shirt on over his T-shirt - which by the way .... you didn't tell me how thick you believed his all important shirt to be? Is it because you now see that his shirt didn't really add any noticeable width to his shoulders - that must be it.

Smoke and mirrors?  You have not even bothered to see if Prayer Man is the same size as Oswald and I am the one using smoke and mirrors ..... if you say so.

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15 minutes ago, Bill Miller said:

I never mentioned a NYHT article.

So the buying a coke and drinking it puts Oswald in the lunchroom even sooner than if had not yet bought a coke. So what was there to gain by making up a story that Oswald had a coke when confronted by Baker .... is it because only assassins drink coke?

Reid's coke insert in her handwritten statement is the give away. Oswald needed a reason to go from the lunchroom to the front entrance and get out.

The logical way would have been to go down the back stairs and get his things before leaving, I mean Reid saw him wearing a T-shirt, which is a monumental screw up from her side. And Reid horse menuire has been discounted by Geneva Hine....all in my essay which you do not care to read....

Keep posting Miller....keep at it.

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3 minutes ago, Bill Miller said:

So you complained of a slight of hand by my not posting a photo of Oswald without the additional shirt as if that would somehow bulk him up .... well it appears that it didn't do anything but show a skinny man with a shirt on over his T-shirt - which by the way .... you didn't tell me how thick you believed his all important shirt to be? Is it because you now see that his shirt didn't really add any noticeable width to his shoulders - that must be it.

Smoke and mirrors?  You have not even bothered to see if Prayer Man is the same size as Oswald and I am the one using smoke and mirrors ..... if you say so.

Stop deflecting.

Show the girth!!!!!

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26 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Stop deflecting.

Show the girth!!!!!

Yeah!

Where's the beef?

--  Tommy :sun

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51 minutes ago, Ray Mitcham said:

How can anybody judge the girth (circumference of a solid object) of somebody from a 2d photo. Do you mean width?

It would take someone skilled in Photogammetry to do that, Ray. However, Oswald was a very thin individual and his size can be compared to other people around him. In this particular case, Lee's shoulder width could be visually compared against that of Prayer Man's to see if they are similar or if there is a noticeable difference.

Several people have posted that Prayer Man looked rather large to be Lee Oswald. I am certain that Kamp is aware those observations and is why he made a big deal that I had shown a photo of Lee in just a T-shirt. The implication could only be that had Lee had his second shirt on - then he would appear as large as Prayer Man. But I asked just how thick could the material of Lee's second shirt be because to me he still looked like a skinny man with a second shirt on. I also suggested that the thickness of Lee's shirt could not have been more than 1/8th of an inch in additional thickness.

For some reason Kamp has not seemed very eager to find the answer to the question of whether Prayer Man is too large to be Oswald. I can think of one damaging reason ... If Prayer Man is not Lee Oswald, then that would explain why Frazier, Lovelady, Shelley, Molina, etc., did not report that Lee was outside standing with them. That means the theory that all these witnesses were leaned on even before Oswald had been thought to be the assassin of the President is hogwash.

And who knows - maybe Prayer Man and Lee will appear to be very similar in size. I am certainly not afraid to find out if there is a way to check it.

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57 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Stop deflecting.

Show the girth!!!!!

So summarizing your comments is deflecting .... nice!

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Just now, Bill Miller said:

So summarizing your comments is deflecting .... nice!

Show the girth!!!!!

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2 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Show the girth!!!!!

I am getting to it .... then I will look forward to your next excuse for why it should be ignored.

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How much longer do you need Miller????

If you see it so clearly then it must be a piece of piss to show everyone else, surely you do not need three days to do so.

Show us all the girth!!!

 

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3 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

How much longer do you need Miller????

If you see it so clearly then it must be a piece of piss to show everyone else, surely you do not need three days to do so.

Show us all the girth!!!

 

You have been all this time with not caring to do a physical size comparison - waiting a little longer isn't going to hurt you.

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For weeks you have been yapping about this.......and now you expect us all to wait once confronted with presenting it.

If it is so obvious then it ought to be produced in a relative short time, but no...........

And physical size comparison? As related to? Try and tell me for certain what step he was on. And simce no one can do this with the quality of the films available at this time you have a non starter.

 

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22 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

For weeks you have been yapping about this.......and now you expect us all to wait once confronted with presenting it.

If it is so obvious then it ought to be produced in a relative short time, but no...........

And physical size comparison? As related to? Try and tell me for certain what step he was on. And simce no one can do this with the quality of the films available at this time you have a non starter.

 

Barto,

Please be patient.  It takes a lot of time to manipulate photographic images in such a way as to make them look both accurate and convincing.

(lol)

--  Tommy :sun

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Admin has decided to close this thread. It is clear - that after 76 pages - the debate is going nowhere. The proponents of PrayerMan are so grounded in “their truth” that any alternatives suggested are quickly dismissed.

There does exist a forum that supports this theory and - maybe - that is where the supporters of this proposition should now congregate and endlessly repeat their views to the like minded resident there. The Education Forum stands for thoroughly researched evidence and theories and although serious attempts have been to introduce logic and discipline into this topic the supporters of PrayerMan have made that impossible.

 

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