Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 It looks like i was incorrect in stating that Gloria identified herself as hispanic. I now believe she identified herself as caucasian. looks like we went over this once before ? http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=21771&page=7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 sorry for any misunderstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Gloria said she left the TSBD at 1:30PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Robert Prudhomme Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 sorry for any misunderstanding. No problem. I was actually quite curious to see if you had something new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) motorcade re-enactment ( including R.L.Thornton & Stemmons Freeway signs) Edited January 29, 2016 by Robin Unger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. They aren't between the two lamp posts. And it's not likely a boy would be wearing a red hat. (Or maybe it is just pink that is to be avoided.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. They aren't between the two lamp posts. And it's not likely a boy would be wearing a red hat. (Or maybe it is just pink that is to be avoided.) Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. The child is wearing a knitted, pullover-style red cap, ... you know, ... like people wear when it's cold? --Tommy Edit: Peggy Joyce Hawkings (formerly Bibler) from her 1956 college yearbook. Note the same chin, cheeks, eyebrows, and hair color. Bear in mind that her head is tilted at different angles in the two photographs. Edited January 29, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandy Larsen Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. They aren't between the two lamp posts. And it's not likely a boy would be wearing a red hat. (Or maybe it is just pink that is to be avoided.) Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. The child is wearing a knitted, pullover-style red cap, ... you know, ... like people wear when it's cold? --Tommy Well I would never wear a red knit cap no matter how cold it got. But I guess I can see a mother doing that with a little boy. BTW, does it get cold in Dallas in November? Apparently the parent thinks so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 motorcade re-enactment ( including R.L.Thornton & Stemmons Freeway signs) Thank you for the photos, Robin. Now I get it. There was a retaining wall behind the main retaining wall, and a sidewalk separating them, allowing a person wishing to hide behind a retaining wall two easy places to access them. Any Idea where that sidewalk leads? Onto the side of the Elm St. extension, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Prudhomme Posted January 29, 2016 Author Share Posted January 29, 2016 Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. They aren't between the two lamp posts. And it's not likely a boy would be wearing a red hat. (Or maybe it is just pink that is to be avoided.) Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. The child is wearing a knitted, pullover-style red cap, ... you know, ... like people wear when it's cold? --Tommy Edit: Peggy Joyce Hawkings (formerly Bibler) from her 1956 college yearbook. Note the same chin, cheeks, and hair color. Might be her. I still think the child looks a bit small for being four years old, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) Different child now. OK, Bob? The child wearing the red cap and being held by the woman in this Towner frame could very well be Johnny Hawkins, and the woman could very well be his mother, Peggy Joyce Hawkins. Credit: Robin Unger http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20032 --Tommy I see what you mean now. Funny, Altgens' telephoto lens makes it look like the woman and man are right next to the TSBD steps, and not out on the concrete island and actually closer to the concrete pillar. That may be Hawkins and her child, although, at first glance, the child appears small for a four year old. That would certainly place her in the right spot to get behind the retaining wall, as it begins behind her just on the other side of the concrete pillar. I wonder if she considered the concrete pillar as part of the retaining wall when she gave her statement. They aren't between the two lamp posts. And it's not likely a boy would be wearing a red hat. (Or maybe it is just pink that is to be avoided.) Sandy, Sandy, Sandy. The child is wearing a knitted, pullover-style red cap, ... you know, ... like people wear when it's cold? --Tommy Edit: Peggy Joyce Hawkings (formerly Bibler) from her 1956 college yearbook. Note the same chin, eyebrows, and hair color. Bear in mind that her head is tilted at different angles in the two photographs. http://library.atu.edu/research/Agricola/PDF/1954-03.pdf edited and bumped PS -- Sandy, you do realize that it was raining and cool-ish earlier that late November day in Dallas, don't you? And windy, too? In fact the wind was gusting in Dealey Plaza right before the President was shot. Now that's what I call real "Chill Factor." The gusting wind might even explain why the woman's hair in the Altgen's 6 blow up, above, is lifted off of her forehead... Not that it matters, but maybe it was even rainier and / or cooler in Mesquite, Texas, where the Hawkins were living at the time and where Peggy had driven herself and her son to Dallas from... Edited January 29, 2016 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The mother and child were standing in between the tree and the white column. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 The Croft wall path leads to the other pergola entrance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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