Robert Prudhomme

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2 hours ago, John Crites said:

The rise of Trump and the JFK Assassination are similar to me when one thinks of the role of the mainstream media, how this crazy man now being accepted as  normal, 

I don't think he's being accepted as normal. He's being accepted as the duly elected president, but everybody knows that he's different. Some of the media is taking it better than others. FoxNews, for example, is happy, whereas you can tune into CNN any time of the day or even right now, and you won't hear anything positive about Donald Trump. Oh, there's the token talking head arguing the "conservative" side of an issue, but the subject they are discussing is always something negative about Trump. Just a minute ago, for example, on CNN: Why hasn't Trump held a press conference? Never mind that CNN was okay with Hillary not holding a press conference during the campaign for months on end. How dare Trump not hold one!

CNN simply can't stand what has happened, while FoxNews chortles. 

That's real journalism, isn't it? On both sides.

And as Walter Cronkite used to say, that's the way it is.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ron Ecker said:

I don't think he's being accepted as normal. He's being accepted as the duly elected president, but everybody knows that he's different. Some of the media is taking it better than others. FoxNews, for example, is happy, whereas you can tune into CNN any time of the day or even right now, and you won't hear anything positive about Donald Trump. Oh, there's the token talking head arguing the "conservative" side of an issue, but the subject they are discussing is always something negative about Trump. Just a minute ago, for example, on CNN: Why hasn't Trump held a press conference? Never mind that CNN was okay with Hillary not holding a press conference during the campaign for months on end. How dare Trump not hold one!

CNN simply can't stand what has happened, while FoxNews chortles. 

That's real journalism, isn't it? On both sides.

And as Walter Cronkite used to say, that's the way it is.

 

CNN is thrilled with the outcome of the election.

Any idea how much their ratings went up after Trump announced?

CNN/MSNBC/Fox all went up.

All three would play Trump's speeches in entirety from the moment he announced.  They gave him and his surrogates billions of dollars in free air-time.

CNN spent 3 times the coverage on Hillary's e-mails than to all of her policy positions combined.

Trump lied over and over and over again and his surrogates lied over and over and over again -- and the talking heads wouldn't call them on it.

They just let him lie.

I think the "talent" at CNN has a sad because they know they were complicit in the hijacking of our electoral process by a sick, demented racist scumbag.

 

 

 

 

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Sandy:

Of course Krugman was going to say that about Comey.  Utterly predictable.

Krugman was part of that Democratic Establishment that pushed HRC on us. If you recall, he ganged up on Sanders and his economic plan and ran  a very unfair article about it in the NYT.  He was pushing HRC throughout.  I have little doubt he would have gotten a job in her administration.

So now, like the others, starting with Podesta, going through HRC and now him, he falls in line and instead of saying, "Mea culpa, I should not have done that to Sanders."  Or "HRC ran a pretty stupid campaign, considering she had all the advantages and I was wrong not to say anything."  He takes the easy way out and blames it on Comey.

I can't really blame  him, since that is  human nature for most people.  To take the easy way out and not admit your own errors.

But the more I look at this, the more I see just how bad HRC's campaign really was.  Christian Parenti has just written a nice column about it at Huffpo. Her campaign, I predict, will become a negative template for what not to do in the future.  It was that bad.

Jim,

What Paul Krugman said is "utterly predictable" because it's true. It has nothing to do with his being a supporter of HRC. What would be the point now of continuing support for Hillary's candidacy?

The bottom line is that HRC and her supporters are mainstream Democrats. They agree on things because they share many of the same views. My beliefs align with theirs quite well. When an economic issue arises that stumps me, I turn to Paul Krugman for advice. Another favorite adviser of mine is former Secretary of Labor Robert Reich.

Your and Bernie Sanders politics are further to the left, which is fine. Clinton has taken certain positions you guys don't like -- like being militarily hawkish -- for political reasons. It has been conventional wisdom for a long time that being weak on defense will kill your chances of being elected president. Many far-left Democrats seem not to understand that.

I like Hillary Clinton. I see the lies laid against her for what they are. There are apparently far-left folks who buy into the lies because HRC isn't liberal enough for them and so they choose to demonize her. That's not fine, but I'm tired of arguing with people like that.

My politics are far left enough that I could have voted for Bernie. I didn't because I didn't think a self-described socialist could win the general election. I didn't think Trump could win either, so maybe I was wrong about Bernie. But I still have my doubts.

And, BTW Jim, as bad a campaign as you think Hillary ran, I will remind you that she got a sizable win in the popular vote. In most elections she would have been elected with that margin. It's just that Trump's trashy talk got the rural voters out, thus winning for him the electoral vote in key states.

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10 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

a sick, demented racist scumbag.

Cliff, I wish you would stop beating around the bush about Trump.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Ron Ecker said:

Cliff, I wish you would stop beating around the bush about Trump.

 

 

 

I know.  The ambivalence is killing me!

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On 11/20/2016 at 0:48 PM, Joe Bauer said:

Dear God!  How did the American people actually allow themselves to elect this guy?
 

They didn't *quite* elect him - the Electoral College did. The same system that put GWB in the Whitehouse instead of Al Gore. This last minute addition - that was suppose to be temporary - was regarded as a safety net by our Founding Fathers.

You couldn't be more right about the Supreme Court. That alone was MORE than enough of a reason to vote for Hillary. Either Hillary or Trump were going to occupy 1660 Pennsylvania Ave - no one else. Anyone here who voted for a 3rd party candidate (sorry Jim D. but IMO you were DEAD WRONG when you cast your vote) or didn't vote at all because their conscience wouldn't allow them to vote for Hillary, bears responsibility for everything the Supreme Court does for at least the next decade. More voter suppression, more Citizen's United... I can't go on, it's too sickening.

Anyone who has a "clear conscience" because they didn't vote for Trump or Hillary is deluding themselves, or they don't know what an actual conscience is...

I voted for Bernie, then Hillary. She was unquestionably the better option. Trump? As ignorant as Reagan, worse than "W"...

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On 22/11/2016 at 6:48 PM, Tom Neal said:

They didn't *quite* elect him - the Electoral College did. The same system that put GWB in the Whitehouse instead of Al Gore. This last minute addition - that was suppose to be temporary - was regarded as a safety net by our Founding Fathers.

You couldn't be more right about the Supreme Court. That alone was MORE than enough of a reason to vote for Hillary. Either Hillary or Trump were going to occupy 1660 Pennsylvania Ave - no one else. Anyone here who voted for a 3rd party candidate (sorry Jim D. but IMO you were DEAD WRONG when you cast your vote) or didn't vote at all because their conscience wouldn't allow them to vote for Hillary, bears responsibility for everything the Supreme Court does for at least the next decade. More voter suppression, more Citizen's United... I can't go on, it's too sickening.

Anyone who has a "clear conscience" because they didn't vote for Trump or Hillary is deluding themselves, or they don't know what an actual conscience is...

I voted for Bernie, then Hillary. She was unquestionably the better option. Trump? As ignorant as Reagan, worse than "W"...

 

Hear hear!

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I voted for Trump.  He will have good people around him.  At least he is honest.  And I like that Guiliani might be Secretary of State.  Guiliani cleaned up NY.  It was so dangerous when Koch was in.  Port Authority and the tube trains from NJ were a horror.  A long time ago, Rich Dellarosa told me that there were 200 political murders during the 8 years of Clinton's reign.  I found on the internet a name by name murder victim, starting, of course, with Vince Foster.  About 3 or 4 days ago a well educated woman went to Haiti to look into the Clinton Foundation.  She was dead the next day.  I am trying to find more about it.

 

Also a few days ago, I read on the Internet that Obama's WhiteHouse.gov  birth certificate has been found to be a forgery through 5 years of forensic analysis.  And that the authorities on this matter want him tried for Treason.  They found another alias: Harrison J. Bonell, which he used in Chicago.  We don't know who this man is.  I believe he set out to destroy this country after his 2nd election.  He wanted the New World Order and his personality changed when people in the audience laughed,  "Did I say something funny?"  Hillary, too, wanted the Western Hemisphere to have no borders.  In other words New World Order.  Thank God she wasn't elected.

 

Kathy C

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19 minutes ago, Kathleen Collins said:

I voted for Trump.  He will have good people around him.  At least he is honest.  

Not according to Politifact.

70% of his statements are either "mostly lies" or "pants on fire lies."

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Is there anything Trump hasn't lied about?

Steve Bannon is a good person?

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And I like that Guiliani might be Secretary of State.  

Because he has business ties to foreign entities which he can exploit to enrich himself?

That stuff is okay if you're Republican, blatant corruption and all.

The rest of this post is too sickening to respond to.

 

 

 

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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From today’s Wall Street Journal (Nov. 22, 2016), page R9:

On the Front Line of a Borderless War

Michael Rogers says to combat cyberattacks, the key is a public-private relationship

Adm. Rogers is head of the National Security Agency and commander of the U.S. Cyber Command

Ms. Blumenstein: I have to ask you about WikiLeaks. You told NPR in August, “These emails were clearly leaked for a reason, and they were leaked I believe to achieve an effect.” What can you tell us?

Adm. Rogers: There’s an ongoing investigation. I’m just not getting into the specifics. I still think there shouldn’t be any doubt in anybody’s mind: This was not done casually. This was not something done by chance. This was not a target that was selected purely arbitrarily. This was a conscious effort by a nation-state to attempt a specific effect.”

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Kathleen - you are not the only Trump voter here, and I'm all for diversity of opinion. But the things you bring up - new controversies about Obama, Clinton murders - indicate that you have swallowed some spiked Koolaid. In the interests of full disclosure, what do you think Trump should say to his white supremacist backers (just them, not dissing the rest at all)?

Nothing?

Send messages through his surrogates to journalists who ask that he is against racism? 

Make a public statement personally, perhaps in a joint press conference with Obama, denouncing racism and white nationalism?

Edited by Paul Brancato

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Lyin' Crooked Donnie channeled Richard Nixon today in his meeting with the New York Times.

According to Times reporter Maggie Haberman:

Trump on his businesses/conflict q's: "The law's totally on my side, the president can't have a conflict of interest."

Lyin' Crooked Tricky Dick:

 

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