Douglas Caddy Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 Jackie Kennedy's Secret Service Agent Opens Up About JFK's Funeral http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/a50947/jackie-kennedy-jfk-assassination/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted November 24, 2016 Share Posted November 24, 2016 (edited) I remember back I think in 1975 when I saw this guy being interviewed about what happened and him breaking down, sobbing. I'm sure it was terribly traumatic for him. But as I was reading the above link, I found this: Excerpted from Five Presidents: My Extraordinary Journey with Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon, and Ford by Clint Hill with Lisa McCubbin. Copyright © 2016 by Hill McCubbin LLC. Reprinted by permission of Gallery Books, an imprint of Simon & Schuster, Inc. Ugghh... so here's Hill shilling yet another book on his time as an SS agent. I had never heard this story about Jackie clipping a lock of Kennedy's hair. But why in the world would he wait 53 years to reveal this in a book he's trying to sell? And why would he reveal such a personal moment? Because don't you know...it's the dollars. Always the dollars. Edited November 24, 2016 by Michael Walton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Clint Hill is a fraud- a false hero; the Jessica Lynch of the Secret Service. He drank the night before- according to the Secret Service manual, it is grounds for REMOVAL from the Secret Service (Hill, Ready, Bennett and Landis drank the morning of the assassination and stayed out late. Alcohol consumption and sleep deprivation...not good.) Rowley even admitted as such under oath, but wimped out before an angry Chief Warren (in Warren's finest moment during the WC), stating he didn't want to traumatize the agents. Bottom line- Hill got to the limousine TOO LATE; WAY TOO LATE...no "split second" crap. The shooting was over and done with! And, to add insult to injury, Jackie got in and out of the car totally of her own volition- they never even touched! Oh, but Hill tried...ok, so do we give awards for "trying but failing"?!?! He struck out...but he tried, dammit. Pathetic. Hill does not believe the single bullet theory, does not believe any shot missed, and says the back of the head was gone...yet he also says other things that Doug Horne and others have taken him to task for. He is laughing all the way to the bank. When he croaks, I assume McCubbin will take over his estate. She knows what she is doing--$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ http://www.ctka.net/2016/book-review-five-presidents/five-presidents-by-clint-hill-with-lisa-mccubbin-a-review.html http://www.ctka.net/reviews/kennedydetailreview.html http://www.ctka.net/reviews/MrsKennedy_Hill_Review_Palamara.html http://ctka.net/reviews/slick_propaganda.html Edited November 25, 2016 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Very, very well said Vince. My thoughts exactly. Love the "laughing all the way to the bank" line too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Clint Hill is a fraud... That's a lousy thing to say, Vince. Among other things, you seem to like the idea that Agent Hill has said "the back of the head was gone", and yet you still feel comfortable labelling him as a "fraud"? Sounds a little inconsistent to me. http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/12/kennedy-detail.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) Michael Walton said: I had never heard this story about Jackie clipping a lock of Kennedy's hair. But why in the world would he [Clint Hill] wait 53 years to reveal this in a book he's trying to sell? And why would he reveal such a personal moment? Because don't you know...it's the dollars. Always the dollars. That information about Jackie Kennedy snipping off a piece of JFK's hair in the East Room isn't a new revelation by Clint Hill. It's been out there for almost 50 years. It was revealed in William Manchester's 1967 book "The Death Of A President" (on page 517) and in Jim Bishop's book "The Day Kennedy Was Shot" in 1968 (page 678) and in Vincent Bugliosi's "Reclaiming History" (page 199). So it's certainly not brand-new information coming out for the first time in 2016. Edited November 25, 2016 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Thank you, David. I had no idea this was an old / regurgitated story about the hair snipping. In TDOAP, whose POV was the story told from? Just curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 Why was Hill the only agent on the Queen Marry kitted out in a bulletproof vest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, Michael Walton said: Thank you, David. I had no idea this was an old / regurgitated story about the hair snipping. In TDOAP, whose POV was the story told from? Just curious. Here are the exact quotations from the book: "Together, the President's widow and brother knelt by the open coffin. This was the first time Mrs. Kennedy had seen her husband since Parkland. It isn't Jack, it isn't Jack, she kept thinking; and she was so glad Bobby had agreed to keep it shut. She put the three letters, the scrimshaw, and the cufflinks in the coffin. Bob Kennedy took off his PT tie pin. He said, "He should have this, shouldn't he?" "Yes," she whispered. Then he drew from his pocket an engraved silver rosary Ethel had given him at their wedding. Bob placed this with the letters. Then, with a lock of her husband's hair, she went out with Bob. To all of those awaiting the motorcade's departure for the rotunda, it was clear that the widow was in agony. Mary Gallagher, standing with Dr. Walsh, thought that "I had never seen her look worse. Bobby was leading her by the arm, holding her up; she was limp, with her head down, weeping. She looked as though she were ready to fall." She was swaying visibly; Clint Hill was afraid she might faint. She didn't."* -- Page 517 of "The Death Of A President: November 20—November 25, 1963" by William Manchester (First Edition; 1967) * Two necessary commas added by DVP due to Mr. Manchester's inexplicable lack of proper punctuation in various portions of his book. http://The-Death-Of-A-President.blogspot.com Edited November 25, 2016 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 (edited) I don't think his wife Gwen or his late brother-in-law, fellow agent David Grant, are/were fans of Clint re: his books and especially Mizz McCubbin (Gwen is still legally married to Clint and Grant turned down the producers of the now scrapped Kennedy Detail movie. Tellingly, his obit omits Clint completely!). Clint also has no problem signing multiple assassination photos, including the autopsy photos. Multiple signed photos appear/ have appeared on Ebay, sometimes for big bucks. "We're in the money, a whole lot of money!" "Clint, I know you drank the night before and you failed in your mission AND Jackie got in and out of the car of her own volition, but can I PLEASE have your autograph? You are a hero in my book for attempting to do your job." Art Godfrey was a much decorated WWII hero and fellow agent. He won medals for successes, not failures or attempts. Don't cry for Hill---he is laughing with his young co-author all the way to the bank. I wonder if there will be a book five for the gullible? There will be a movie. WHO YOU SHOULD CRY FOR---HIS WIFE GWEN. No huge book royalties, advances and movie deal money to share; left behind in VA; replaced...not cool. Not good at all. But, if you are blinded in hero-worship to anyone who "seems" to support the official story, open your wallet- he wants your money. Edited November 25, 2016 by Vince Palamara Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 FYI / FWIW, Here's the related passage concerning the hair-snipping done by Mrs. Kennedy that appears in Jim Bishop's book:"Robert Kennedy held her elbow and whispered to her. They started slowly across to the center of the room. General McHugh barked an order: "Honor guard, leave the room!" There was a hesitation. Each man did an about-face and started to walk away. "No," Mrs. Kennedy said, holding up a hand. "No. They can stay." They stopped but did not turn back. One man was in midstep, and remained in that attitude. Robert led her to where Clint Hill stood. The Secret Service man lifted the lid high and stepped down. The Attorney General helped the lady up the step. She stood looking in, still wearing his dried blood on her strawberry dress and on her stockings. She stared at the image and asked for scissors. Hill got them. She reached in and snipped a lock of hair. Robert Kennedy glanced at his brother and turned his glance down. Mrs. Kennedy held the snip of hair and the scissors. Then she turned away. "It isn't Jack," she said."-- Page 678 of "The Day Kennedy Was Shot" by Jim Bishop (1968) http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/08/day-kennedy-was-shot.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 See? That wasn't even new. Thanks for proving that, David. Another thing that is old news----when Jackie turns to him and says "What will become of you, Mr. Hill?" That is also in Manchester's book. Hill did alright- rose to SAIC of WHD, then Assistant Director. Retired in 1975, going on 42 years ago; nice pension; huge royalties; young co-author friend. Like I said, don't cry for Hill...CRY FOR GWEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 David, on a more upbeat note--Happy Thanksgiving and your website is a great resource. Are you really related to Frederic Forrest, who played Oswald on tv???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 See? That wasn't even new. Thanks for proving that, David. I don't understand, Vince. Are you saying that Clint Hill is saying that the hair-snipping incident is being revealed for the very first time in his (Hill's) book(s)? If that is what you are implying, Vince, can you show me where within this Esquire article Clint Hill says that he's revealing the hair-snipping event for the first time? I don't think Hill is saying any such thing. BTW, for the record.... Somebody has made a mistake concerning WHEN that hair-snipping incident took place. I just now noticed the discrepancy when comparing the various book excerpts I previously cited. William Manchester's book has Jacqueline Kennedy performing the hair-snipping on Sunday, November 24th between 12:30 and 1:00 PM (EST), which aligns with Clint Hill's version of when that event transpired via the excerpt in the Esquire article linked above. But Jim Bishop's book claims the hair-snipping occurred shortly after JFK's body arrived back at the White House from Bethesda in the early morning hours of Saturday, November 23rd. (Vince Bugliosi, in his 2007 book, agrees with Bishop's account.) Since Clint Hill was actually there at the time and was a witness to the hair-snipping event as it was occurring, I think it's pretty safe to say that the November 24th date is the correct one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Palamara Posted November 25, 2016 Share Posted November 25, 2016 You are probably right about the 24th. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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