Chris Bristow Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Something bothers me about this picture. It looks like the motor cops are putting along at 25mph based on the lean and slight wheel turn Ellis shows. The limo must be doing 50 plus? If so it is less than 2 seconds behind the escort at approx 130 feet back. By their statements they are fully aware they are rushing to Parkland at this point but are riding 3 abreast into a turn they should be rushing through. Lumpkin has his left hand in his lap! I swear Lumpkin and Ellis look like they are smiling. I would expect them to be falling into single file at 40+ mph and not riding with one hand. The slideshow is just that one photo, no need to click on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Newton Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 I've noted this before but it's the white nationalist "cross in a circle" patch on Ellis' left forearm that I'm most curious about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bristow Posted January 4, 2017 Author Share Posted January 4, 2017 1 hour ago, Chris Newton said: I've noted this before but it's the white nationalist "cross in a circle" patch on Ellis' left forearm that I'm most curious about. Well that might explain why he looks like he is smiling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Walton Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Chris, so according to your logic, one of them is driving with one hand on the handlebar while another one has a smile on his face. And they...what? Shot their gun and killed Kennedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger DeLaria Posted January 4, 2017 Share Posted January 4, 2017 Is it possible the motorcycle officers had no clue as to what just happened behind them? Or were they in radio contact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 39 minutes ago, Roger DeLaria said: Is it possible the motorcycle officers had no clue as to what just happened behind them? That's what I think. They simply don't know what is happening behind them. They were part of the leading motorcycle escort, so they were well ahead of the President's car when the shots were fired. Did Ellis, et al, ever say they heard any shots fired? ~shrug~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Bristow Posted January 5, 2017 Author Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) According to statements made by two of the motor cops they saw the incident happen over their shoulders. Lumpkin said they had come to a stop before the underpass, that he saw the commotion and heard Curry say "Lets go boys". Ellis said Chaney rode up to him and informed him the president's head was blown off. Very strange accounts, all different than the Z film. I was looking at the photo because of the 'missing freight train' theory and became curious about how slow and casually the cops seem to be moving. I am promoting no theory regarding it. It is just weird they were about to get run over unless they hit the throttle bigtime. Diverging a bit I can accept a witness may mistakenly think they see a puff of smoke after hearing a gunshot. But for Officer J.C. White do they have to conclude he only thought he saw a FREIGHT TRAIN pass 20 feet in front of him during the head shot? I just mention it for humors sake. Edited January 5, 2017 by Chris Bristow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Von Pein Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) This photo by Ike Altgens also debunks J.C. White's crazy "freight train on the overpass" story: Edited January 5, 2017 by David Von Pein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 It's possible that the cop invented the passing freight train after seeing a shooter at the other end of the overpass, which he was certainly in a position to see. Perhaps it was his way of telling the perps that he didn't see anything, no way, no how, because of a big old train. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Bell frame: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 11 hours ago, Chris Newton said: I've noted this before but it's the white nationalist "cross in a circle" patch on Ellis' left forearm that I'm most curious about. Chris, Someone told me a long time ago that that patch signified a policeman who had received CPR training. I don't know if that's true or not. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 hours ago, David Von Pein said: That's what I think. They simply don't know what is happening behind them. They were part of the leading motorcycle escort, so they were well ahead of the President's car when the shots were fired. Did Ellis, et al, ever say they heard any shots fired? ~shrug~ David, How does this (jibe?) (jive?) (what's the right word?) with what Ellis supposedly told a HSCA staff investigator - that he saw debris coming up from a nearby curb? See p. 23 of Vol XII of the HSCA Report here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=27&tab=page The footnotes those statements are based on, are on page 31 of Vol. XII here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=35&tab=page and refer back to JFK Doc 013841. I have never learned how to find an online version of HSCA documents. I frustrates the heck out me. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Mitcham Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Try this link, Steve. https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/search-hints.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wagner Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 (edited) Have the two (or three?) men standing on the angled part of the overpass - on the far right of the Bell frame Robin posted - been identified? Edited June 1, 2018 by Greg Wagner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robin Unger Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: David, How does this (jibe?) (jive?) (what's the right word?) with what Ellis supposedly told a HSCA staff investigator - that he saw debris coming up from a nearby curb? See p. 23 of Vol XII of the HSCA Report here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=27&tab=page The footnotes those statements are based on, are on page 31 of Vol. XII here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=84#relPageId=35&tab=page and refer back to JFK Doc 013841. I have never learned how to find an online version of HSCA documents. I frustrates the heck out me. Steve Thomas http://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/hsca/contents_hsca_vols.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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