David Boylan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Steve, Geologist, oil man - Lester Logue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, David Boylan said: Steve, Geologist, oil man - Lester Logue? David, Could be. I have to admit I don't know anything about his background. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Here's 2 references on Logue. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=54047&relPageId=6&search=lester_logue https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=48774&relPageId=47&search=lester_logue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 On 1/6/2017 at 9:10 AM, Steve Thomas said: "Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396) Steve Thomas The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 13 March 15, 1954 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/90445615/ George L. Whitmeyer, whose wife, Frances Whitmeyer, resides here at 217 Pargoud Drive, has recently completed a 17-week Associate Infantry Office Advanced Course in Fort Benning, Ga., which is given to company and field grade officers to enable them to return to their units with a more thorough understanding of their command positions. Whitmeyer, in service for 12 years, has served in Hawaii, Europe, Korea, and Japan, and been awarded the Silver Star, Bronze Star, Purple Heart and the Combat Infantry Badge. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Not to derail this subject but here's the unredacted version - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44539&search=lester_logue#relPageId=2&tab=page It was Logue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, David Boylan said: Not to derail this subject but here's the unredacted version - https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44539&search=lester_logue#relPageId=2&tab=page It was Logue. David, Thank you. I appreciate that. Those hsca segregated cia collections are something aren't they? It makes you wonder how well Lester Logue and Jack Crichton knew each other, seeing as how they were in the same business. It's a shame the Colonel and the Major who were in the Reserves weren't named. I wonder what Whitmeyer did after the pilot car got to Parkland. In his after-action report, Lumpkin wrote that he, Senkel and Turner returned downtown to the TSBD. I wonder what Whitmeyer did. I had read that his wife owned an antiques store across the street from the Trade Mart. Maybe he had her come and pick him up. And isn't it interesting that out of all the policemen at the TSBD, it was Lumpkin who Truly told that Oswald was missing. Jack Revill and W.F. Dyson were in charge of the search team sweeping the floors. I wonder why Truly chose Lumpkin. He said that Lumpkin was standing a few feet away and was giving instructions of some kind to.to other officers. I went back and looked at Truly's WC testimony. He seemed to know who Chief Lumpkin was, but couldn't remember Marion Baker's name. "So Mr. Campbell is standing there, and I said, "I have a boy over here missing. I don't know whether to report it or not." Because I had another one or two out then. I didn't know whether they were all there or not." Mr. BELIN. Did you ask for the name and addresses of any other employees who might have been missing? Mr. TRULY. No, sir. Mr. BELIN. Why didn't you ask for any other employees? Mr. TRULY. That is the only one that I could be certain right then was missing. Interesting. Steve Thomas Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 13 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: It makes you wonder how well Lester Logue and Jack Crichton knew each other, seeing as how they were in the same business. It's a shame the Colonel and the Major who were in the Reserves weren't named. I suspect now that the un-named Colonel was retired Colonel, Robert L. Castorr - who was "stirring up" anti Castro Cubans (via Fr. McChannn and Lucille Connell) and gun running into Cuba (via Nancy Perrin Rich). To believe that he might be involved with Loren Hall and Hemming wouldn't be a stretch. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Boylan Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: I suspect now that the un-named Colonel was retired Colonel, Robert L. Castorr - who was "stirring up" anti Castro Cubans (via Fr. McChannn and Lucille Connell) and gun running into Cuba (via Nancy Perrin Rich). To believe that he might be involved with Loren Hall and Hemming wouldn't be a stretch. Steve Thomas Steve, You beat me to it. I was going to suggest Castorr. :-) Castorr socialized with Gen Walker, H.L. Hunt, and Robert Morris. Morris was friends with Lester Logue. Castorr was later a member of the Maryland Reserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 38 minutes ago, David Boylan said: Steve, You beat me to it. I was going to suggest Castorr. :-) Castorr socialized with Gen Walker, H.L. Hunt, and Robert Morris. Morris was friends with Lester Logue. Castorr was later a member of the Maryland Reserve. David, So many Colonels: Jack Crichton George L. Whitmeyer Lester Logue Robert Castorr I've read that these Reserve units were top heavy. I'm beginning to believe it. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted January 28, 2017 Author Share Posted January 28, 2017 On 1/6/2017 at 9:10 AM, Steve Thomas said: "Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence" 1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396) Is this possibly where Whitmeyer worked? Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site. http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf Steve Thomas The more I look at this article , the angrier I get. It's just totally bogus and demeans the men and women who deserved it. Lubbock Avalanche-Journal from Lubbock, Texas · December 5, 1967 Page 16https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6092576/ What little is in that abstract reads: DALLAS (API — Col. Jack A.:, Crichton. commanding officer of) the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, was awarded the Legion of Merit Monday night on' his retirement from the Army- Reserve after 30 years of service. The medal was presented in a ceremony by Col. Robert D. Of-; fer, commander of the VIII U.S. , Army Corps at Austin. An oil man and petroleum consultant, Crichton organized his Reserve unit in 1956 and has been its only commander. The award cited him for "exceptionally outstanding service" as commander and for the preparation of a series of military intelligence studies. (the name of the awarding colonel is garbled in the OCR rendering). When did you ever hear of an Army Corps being commanded by a Colonel? Just two years earlier, there is this article in the Hood County News: Hood County News-Tablet from Granbury, Texas · Page 8 July 8, 1965 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/57597412/ “Gets Texas National Guard Commission Gary T. Grogan of Rising Star, technician with the local Soil Conservation Service office, received his commission as a second lieutenant in the Texas N'ational Guard in ceremonies at the Municipal'. Auditorium in Austin Saturday evening, June 1). He was awarded his commission at the conclusion of a Texas Officer Candidate School which he attended at Camp Mabry, Texas. He was assigned to the 1st Bn,. 142nd Inf., Brown-wood, Texas, as battalion antitank platoon leader. Presentation of the diplomas was made by Maj. Gen. Thomas S. Bishop, Texas adjutant-general, Major. Gen: .. William. R. Calhoun commanding , general of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps, was the speaker for the evening. Lt. Grogan was a 1957 graduate of Lipan High School and received his BS degree from Texas Tech in 1961. His parents, Mr. and Mrs. T. G. Grogan, live at...” And this from the Dallas Morning News: DMN 11-16-1965 10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation By Gene Ormsby Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun, commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin. A Major General as a Commander of a Corps, I can believe. A Colonel, I can't. I am having a hard time trying to reconcile these dates: http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm (and from Wikipedia, which is just a repeat of the Sparacus entry) In 1956 Crichton started up his "own spy unit", the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. In an interview Crichton claimed that there were "about a hundred men in that unit and about forty or fifty of them were from the Dallas Police Department." The Monroe News-Star from Monroe, Louisiana · Page 3 October 23, 1956https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/84343273/ William F. Pipes, Jr. right, was promoted from first lieutenant to captain in the U. S. Army Reserves at ceremonies Monday night at the USAR training center, Selman Field. Looking on as Capt. Pipes reads his new commission is Major George L. Whitmeyer, unit advisor. (Staff photo by John I. Fogleman.) OBITUARY of Frances Whitmeyer: Whitmeyer, Frances Raby was born February 21, 1922 and passed away April 4, 2009. Frances was born in Athens, Alabama to S.W. and Donna Raby. She graduated from Alabama Women's College in Athens. She moved to New Orleans and worked for the Lykes Steamship Co. and also for the City of New Orleans helping to translate French law into English. She later married George Whitmeyer and they moved to Germany where he was stationed after the war. They moved to Fort Worth in 1961 and then to Dallas in 1963. So, in 1956, Crichton starts his "own spy unit" serving under a Lt. Colonel Whitmeyer, who is actually a Major in the Reserves in Louisiana, who moves from LA to Germany and moves to Fort Worth in 1961, and to Dallas in 1963. This Whitmeyer, who Winston Lawson told the HSCA in 1978 was a Lieutenant-Colonel who "taught Army intelligence". How does a "Colonel" Crichton serve under a "Lieutenant-Colonel" Whitmeyer? And Crichton becomes a Colonel by 1967 where is is awarded a Legion of Merit by another "Colonel" who commands an entire Army Corps. The whole thing just stinks to high heaven. Pardon my French. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 On 1/10/2017 at 4:43 AM, Steve Thomas said: What company, regiment, brigade, division, ARCOM, reserve army corps did the 488th belong to? Steve Thomas The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1 November 7, 1957 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/ Mexia Man Receives Appointment Earl McKeilh, (center) is pictured with L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, Southwestern division manager of the National Federation of Independent Business, and Si N. Meadow, district manager of the organization from Austin. “Earl McKeith was coming out of a local bank Tuesday and came face to face with a man who was one of his fellow Army officers in the early thirties. Earl didn't recognize him but L. Robert Castorr, of Dallas, immediately grabbed Earl's arm and said "I know you." Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas., and Mr. McKeith, a Reserve. Army captain, were first lieutenants when they served with each other in the Second Infantry Division. They last saw each other in 1930. Col. Castorr served with Merrill's Marauders in Burma during World War II.” “Mr. Meadow was accompanied to Mexia by L. Robert Castorr, the Southwestern division manager for the National Federation of Independent Business. Mr. Castorr formerly served in the U. S. Army with Mr. McKeilh.” Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965 10 Dallas reserve Units Included In Inactivation By Gene Ormsby Fourteen Army Reserve units in Dallas, including 10 in the 90th Infantry Division, are scheduled to be inactivated immediately, Major Gen. William R. Calhoun commander of the Eighth U.S. Army Corps said Monday in Austin. Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander said the same units were listed more than a month ago by Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the ones to be disbanded. McNamara announced at that time that the 90th Infantry Division would be disbanded. Whitmeyer said he had not received confirmation of the orders from Gen. Calhoun, but said they could take place in the next two to three months. I think the 488th is going to come out of the 90th Infantry Division Reserves. The following is just an interesting little side not. Ex-CBI Roundup December 1982 Issue http://www.ex-cbi-roundup.com/articles/cbi_patch.html By L. Robert Castorr, Col., USA Inf. (Ret.) While visiting with General Frank "Pinky" Dorn, one of our early rugged infantry comrades of the CBI and just shortly before he passed away on July 26,1981, he related the history and origin of how this distinguished patch came into being. I pass on his remarks presented to me for those of our readers who may find the story of interest. (How the China, Burma, India patch came into existence) Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted May 1, 2018 Author Share Posted May 1, 2018 http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. Dallas Morning News 11-16-1965 Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander "Russ Baker's new book, Family of Secrets, Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas." JFKcountercoup http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2011/01/pilot-car.html Col. Whitmeyer was the Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Texas and gave the military "stand down" order. Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “ Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.” DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20.http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm On April 22, 1964 Police Chief, Jesse Curry told the Warren Commission, “I had Deputy Chief Lumpkin, and he had two Secret Service men with him, I believe, out of Washington, and a Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve in the area, he was with him. Testimony of Jesse Curry. Warren Commission Hearings and Exhibits, volume IV, p. 170, as cited in the History Matters Archive, http://history-matte..._Vol4_0089b.htm Is George Whitmeyer a Lieutenant Colonel, or a full Colonel? Is he the Deputy Commander, or “in overall command”? Is he the Commander of all the reserve units of East Texas, or the Northern District, or just the Dallas subsection? I spoke to someone in the Army Reserves, and he told me that the term "Northern District of Texas" is a phrase that is unknown to him. For a good explanation of the command structure of the Army Reserves, see: http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a233391.pdf page 61 (page 68 of the pdf file) The Reserves were organized into six numeric geographical areas called CONUS. These were further divided into ARCOMS, or Army Reserve Commands. See also: U.S. ARMY RESERVE COMMAND STRUCTURE http://www.usar.army.mil/Portals/98/Users/003/83/1283/AR%20Commands%20Infographic.pdf?ver=2016-10-27-104114-907 One place where the term: “Northern District of Texas”, or “East Texas Section Command” might apply is the Texas State Guard Reserve Corps. Please this Forum thread for a further explanation of Texas Reserve Districts: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/24855-texas-state-guard-reserve-corps/ Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 Glad you’re trying to sort this out. So little biographical info on all these Dallas reserve military officers. I couldn’t help but notice that Whitmeyer was in Germany until 1961. Join the club - Shackley, Harvey, Morales, and many others. 1961 was when Shackley went from Berlin to Miami station. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted May 1, 2018 Share Posted May 1, 2018 The above postings certainly reveal Texas in general and Dallas in particular in 1963 as clearly "the capital" of the most wealthy, powerful, extreme right wing crazies and their secret organizations with their secret doings, all of whom viewed JFK as a true threat to their beliefs and agendas. Sounds as if everyone in any position of authority there at that time was part of or connected to one or more of these many secret JFK hating intelligence or race conflict groups that permeated and defined it's political make up. What a horrible place for JFK to visit and with inadequate security. The ominous and threatening JFK "Wanted For Treason" newspaper ad and flyers in Dallas the day before JFK arrived there said it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted July 6, 2018 Author Share Posted July 6, 2018 On 1/19/2017 at 4:28 AM, Steve Thomas said: Does anyone know of a Whitmeyer connection to Louisiana? I'm picking up references to a Major George L. Whitmeyer as a Reserve local area unit advisor in Monroe, LA in the 1955 - 57 time frame. Steve Thomas This was passed along to me by Mark Valenti. From the Monroe News-Star, March 15, 1954 Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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