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Michael Clark

Fletcher Prouty Vid.: Best hour I have spent

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very good. thank you for this...

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On 2/26/2017 at 10:55 AM, Glenn Nall said:

very good. thank you for this...

Glenn, I am glad you liked it.

It is good to hear it from the horse's mouth. I would not have come away from this with the same, and so thorough, an understanding had I read it.

I read of people questioningn Prouty's reliability. I now discount those opinions.

I especially, now, have more faith in his identification of Landsdale in Dealy Plaza in the tramp photos.

Cheers, Michael

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Wow ... what an eye opener.

That close up of Gerald Posner's book "Case Closed" on Prouty's shelf when Prouty begins to express his view of the horrible proliferation of so many misleading and misinformed history books is wincing.

Posner ... the historical hatchet job poster boy.   

Egads, what an embarrassing legacy.

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Speaking of hatchet jobs, if you guys haven't read Mark Lane's last book Last Word, My Indictment of the CIA in the Murder of JFK (2011) you should - it's a real (documented) eye opener into the way the CIA has 'hatcheted' the media - print and TV - since the assassination.

Posner is far from the worst propagandist.

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A good post.  I've posted the video on Ken Burns's Facebook page, reminding him to mention this in upcoming series on Vietnam.  We shall see if he includes it or not, or basically saying Kennedy started it all.

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One thing I would like to verify is if McGeorge Bundy can be fairly blamed for the call to not hit the last three Cuban jets until an airstrip was captured. Is he a fall guy for JFK? Would he or could he have made that call on a critical departure from the plan?

Cheers,

Michael

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38 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

One thing I would like to verify is if McGeorge Bundy can be fairly blamed for the call to not hit the last three Cuban jets until an airstrip was captured. Is he a fall guy for JFK? Would he or could he have made that call on a critical departure from the plan?

Cheers,

Michael

I remember reading about 30 years ago somewhere in which Prouty stated something to the effect that Kennedy was not at fault (or didn't order its cancellation, or whatever) for the cancellation of the air strikes -- for which he took the blame and for which pretty much everyone else happily let him have it.

(In this same piece, whatever it was I read, Prouty was describing an island in the Pacific where all the Korean "War" surplus was staged - in the mid-fifties, right? - "in preparation for Viet Nam.")

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2 minutes ago, Glenn Nall said:

I remember reading about 30 years ago somewhere in which Prouty stated something to the effect that Kennedy was not at fault (or didn't order its cancellation, or whatever) for the cancellation of the air strikes -- for which he took the blame and for which pretty much everyone else happily let him have it.

(In this same piece, whatever it was I read, Prouty was describing an island in the Pacific where all the Korean "War" surplus was staged - in the mid-fifties, right? - "in preparation for Viet Nam.")

Glenn,

Prouty mentions both of those things in the posted video. In terms of blaming Bundy for that critical call to not hit the last three Cuban jets, I am looking for other sources that can substantiate Bundy's authority, autonomy and responsibility for that call, apart from Prouty.

Interestingly, Prouty's video has some tantalizing info on the Honolulu conference;' just enough to make you want more. I am just now reading about Bundy's very suspect part in processing the Presidential directives that called for deescalation of the war and then the reescalation of the war prior to, and after the assassination, respectively.

(these directives are called NSAM's. I didn't want to throw around this nomenclature in my paragraph above because I am thoroughly unfamiliar with it all. I don't want to come-off otherwise. I am digging in now)

Cheers,

Michael

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4 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Glenn,

Prouty mentions both of those things in the posted video. In terms of blaming Bundy for that critical call to not hit the last three Cuban jets, I am looking for other sources that can substantiate Bundy's authority, autonomy and responsibility for that call, apart from Prouty.

Interestingly, Prouty's video has some tantalizing info on the Honolulu conference;' just enough to make you want more. I am just now reading about Bundy's very suspect part in processing the Presidential directives that called for deescalation of the war and then the reescalation of the war prior to, and after the assassination, respectively.

(these directives are called NSAM's. I didn't want to throw around this nomenclature in my paragraph above because I am thoroughly unfamiliar with it all. I don't want to come-off otherwise. I am digging in now)

Cheers,

Michael

Come to think of it, R Bartholomew puts Bundy in a fairly dark shadow, too, which was the first I'd heard this about him; but it's a pretty bleak image of the guy - his closeness with Dulles and other WH ne'er-do-wells - redundancy not intended - etc...

Read Bartholomew's piece in the "Possible Discovery of an Automobile..." - oh hell, you know what? acorn.net where it was posted was taken down. It's hard to find the complete copy (it's an essay that rivals War and Peace in length - RB calls it - hell i forgot what he calls it - i shouldn't have had those last 4or beers at luhcn.) I need to post it somewhere.

Like in a JFK asasni - asnasstn - Murder forum.

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I noted that Landsdale's name was stepped-on, so to speak, by a glitch in the audio of the first video.

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Fletcher is not correct on Bundy's culpability.

What Bundy was doing was in reply to the CIA's attempts to get a  D Day air strike which Kennedy had taken out of the plan once it was transferred to its new location at the Bay of Pigs.  And the CIA acknowledged this change in their own documents  (Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, p. 45)

There has been much debate about this on this site.  And Greg Burnham, Larry Hancock and myself all rely on the newest documents and we all agree that that is what happened.  Fletcher was not aware of these at the time he said this.

 

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Just now, James DiEugenio said:

Fletcher is not correct on Bundy's culpability.

What Bundy was doing was in reply to the CIA's attempts to get a  D Day air strike which Kennedy had taken out of the plan once it was transferred to its new location at the Bay of Pigs.  And the CIA acknowledged this change inter own documents  (Destiny Betrayed, Second Edition, p. 45)

There has been much debate about this on this site.  And Greg Burnham, Larry Hancock and myself all rely on the newest documents and we all agree that that is what happened.  Fletcher was not aware of these at the time he said this.

 

right. that video was 1998?

and as long as Larry agrees with this, then I'll consider its possibility, too.

interesting to say that Fletcher (first name basis, James?) was not aware of something rings as about as ironic as anything i've read in this forum. including most things said by DVP and Paul Trejo...

and speaking of authoritative voice, though Mr Trejo's overuse of "IMHO" grates, I appreciate his acknowledgment of humility. Wonder if it might have fit in with some sentence similar to "Fletcher Prouty was wrong...".

just sayin'.

:)

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11 minutes ago, Glenn Nall said:

right. that video was 1998?

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just sayin'.

:)

I want to say 1992??? I think JFK, the movie, just came out.

Cheers,

Michael

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