Alistair Briggs

The Discharge Of Lee Harvey Oswald And Other Related Issues

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7 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Cheers Paul, much appreciated. I will give it a watch later on. ;)

I've read, on this forum, a lot of Jack White's posts, and also read a few bits and bobs elsewhere... to be honest I am a bit skeptical because I have read some quite wild things that he said (one example that springs to mind was when he claimed that for a person to catch something travelling at 11mph they would need to run 22mph - which would only be true if they started 11 miles behind and had an hour to catch up with it. lol)

but yeah I will give it the credence it deserves.

Regards

Alistair, I believe it was Joh Simkin who noted that it was after he was severely attacked while sleeping that he began to make strange claims.

Cheers,

Michael

 

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9 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Cheers Paul, much appreciated. I will give it a watch later on. ;)

I've read, on this forum, a lot of Jack White's posts, and also read a few bits and bobs elsewhere... to be honest I am a bit skeptical because I have read some quite wild things that he said (one example that springs to mind was when he claimed that for a person to catch something travelling at 11mph they would need to run 22mph - which would only be true if they started 11 miles behind and had an hour to catch up with it. lol)

but yeah I will give it the credence it deserves.

Regards

I had actually done that analysis Alistair...  In about 4 steps Hill gets from his position to the rear of the limo...  

It takes 21 frames.  If we accept 18.3fps that equals 1.15 seconds which means Hill hits the ground and covers almost 27 feet in a second when in reality, if the limo is moving at 4-5mph as it appears he only need run at 9-10mph for that second - which is much more realistic. (the fastest average humans run at 16mph, BOLT ran the 100m dash at 28mph..  this man is dressed in a suit and dress shoes jumping from a moving vehicle...  I think it helps to prove the limo was traveling much less than 11.2 mph Shaneyfelt claims - which he states is the average over the entire distance...  

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21 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

A link to that would be conducive. ;)

 

 

Not sure if you were aware... LIFE altered the image significantly before publishing...   so the question is which image are we working with - before or after these changes?

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If Jack was working with copies of photos since there is only 1 negative in evidence

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36 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

I had actually done that analysis Alistair...  In about 4 steps Hill gets from his position to the rear of the limo... 

lol when I first read that I was asking myself who Hill was... only because I'm pretty sure the Jack White 22mph running thing was about Willis... I think. lol

Anyway,

36 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

It takes 21 frames.  If we accept 18.3fps that equals 1.15 seconds which means Hill hits the ground and covers almost 27 feet in a second when in reality, if the limo is moving at 4-5mph as it appears he only need run at 9-10mph for that second - which is much more realistic. (the fastest average humans run at 16mph, BOLT ran the 100m dash at 28mph..  this man is dressed in a suit and dress shoes jumping from a moving vehicle...  I think it helps to prove the limo was traveling much less than 11.2 mph Shaneyfelt claims - which he states is the average over the entire distance... 

What about his momentum though because he wouldn't be starting from a standing still position (relatively) he would be travelling at the same speed as the car he 'leapt' from - wouldn't his relative speed by higher then... ;)

27 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Not sure if you were aware... LIFE altered the image significantly before publishing...   so the question is which image are we working with - before or after these changes?

Yep, I'm aware of the alterations made by LIFE.

I liked the bit in the 'letter' there that reads: "the original was not exactly the acme of photographic perfection" lol

Regards

P.S. I'm going to see if I can find the link to the Jack White thread about 22mph.

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Have you ever tried jumping of a moving car at 11 mph?  Not an easy thing to hit the ground running...

And if you play the stabilized version backward in Quicktime you can see how much the limo slows prior to the headshot before it takes off...

It may be possible yet it is much more likely the 2 vehicles were moving much slower at the time...

Also to remember that both Hill and Kellerman say he jumps on the limo after the 2nd shot... not the last shot.

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7 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

Have you ever tried jumping of a moving car at 11 mph?  Not an easy thing to hit the ground running...

And if you play the stabilized version backward in Quicktime you can see how much the limo slows prior to the headshot before it takes off...

It may be possible yet it is much more likely the 2 vehicles were moving much slower at the time...

Also to remember that both Hill and Kellerman say he jumps on the limo after the 2nd shot... not the last shot.

In terms of someone 'besting' 'expectations', 'motivation' can play a big part. In the same way someone could lift a car, by use of 'hysterical strength' maybe someone can (over a short enough distance) run faster than 'expected' if they were 'motivated' enough... maybe...

...as you say though, it is more likely the 2 vehicles were moving slower at the time... I have no problems with that thinking at all.

It is an interesting topic to be sure. In deference to not wanting to go too off kilter within this thread, perhaps another thread for this kind of discussion may be an idea?

Regards

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4 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

...CIA-did-it CT.

Just on that subject Paul;

I recently picked up a book called 'The Mammoth Book of Cover-Ups' by Jon E Lewis, in which he briefly goes through 100 of the 'most disturbing conspiracies of all time' and he gives each 'cover-up' a plausibility rating from 0 to 10. In terms of JFK theories this is how he rated some of them;

Castro/the USSR assassinated JFK: Alert Level 3
LBJ conspired to kills his predecessor: Alert Level 6
The CIA asassinated Kennedy: Alert Level 2.5
Anti-Castro Cuban exiles assassinated Kennedy: Alert Level 7
The Mob killed Kennedy: Alert Level 6
JFK was killed by a conspiracy, not a 'lone gunman': Alert Level 7

To put some of those numbers in context here are a few random other ones;

British Royal Family are the imperial masters of the planet: Alert Level 2
Elvis lives: Alert Level 0
The Nazis sent a successful mission to the moon: Alert Level 1
Bobby Kennedy murdered Marilyn Monroe: Alert Level 4
Libya was framed for the Lockerbie bombing: Alert Level 9
Earth is hollow and inhabitated by aliens with UFO's: Alert Level 1

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27 minutes ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Just on that subject Paul;

I recently picked up a book called 'The Mammoth Book of Cover-Ups' by Jon E Lewis, in which he briefly goes through 100 of the 'most disturbing conspiracies of all time' and he gives each 'cover-up' a plausibility rating from 0 to 10. In terms of JFK theories this is how he rated some of them;

Castro/the USSR assassinated JFK: Alert Level 3
LBJ conspired to kills his predecessor: Alert Level 6
The CIA asassinated Kennedy: Alert Level 2.5
Anti-Castro Cuban exiles assassinated Kennedy: Alert Level 7
The Mob killed Kennedy: Alert Level 6
JFK was killed by a conspiracy, not a 'lone gunman': Alert Level 7

To put some of those numbers in context here are a few random other ones;

British Royal Family are the imperial masters of the planet: Alert Level 2
Elvis lives: Alert Level 0
The Nazis sent a successful mission to the moon: Alert Level 1
Bobby Kennedy murdered Marilyn Monroe: Alert Level 4
Libya was framed for the Lockerbie bombing: Alert Level 9
Earth is hollow and inhabitated by aliens with UFO's: Alert Level 1

Alistair,

Agreed that the CIA-did-it CT is not as alarming as the LBJ did it CT.

Agreed, also, that the CIA-did-it CT is not as alarming as the foreigners-did-it CT's.

Agreed, also, that the CIA-did-it CT is not as alarming as the Mafia-did-it CT's.

Agreed, also, that the CIA-did-it CT is not as alarming as the TRUTH -- which is that a USA conspiracy (not a lone gunman) killed JFK.

So, basically, I am agreeing that the CT to which I subscribe, by Dr. Jeff Caufield in his new book, General Walker and the Murder of President Kennedy: the Extensive New Evidence of a Radical Right Conspiracy (2015) is more alarming than that CIA-did-it nonsense which has dominated CT literature for a half-century.

My main point, however, is that CIA-did-it literature continues to predominate in the CT literature, even down to this very day.

So -- the elephant in this fight is clearly the CIA-did-it school -- as dumb as they are.  They are still nasty today, even on this FORUM.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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