Robert Groden, JFK Expert, Settles with Dallas After 82 Bad Arrests

[Sandy Larsen]

I'm with Jim on this one. Dealey Plaza is public place. Those who want to be alone can find a private spot.

Freedom of assembly and speech. That's what it's all about.

(Have a problem with porn? Install software to block it. For some reason I never see it, even without the software. There already must be something in place.)

[Sandy Larsen]

2 hours ago, Brad Milch said:

Before Groden impatiently shooed me away from his little merchandise table for interfering with his sales

Maybe Groden is greedy. Or maybe he is broke and needs the cash. Maybe he's rude. The more rude he is, the fewer friends he'll have. And vice versa.

But regardless of any of that, Groden has the right to be there and sell outrageously priced merchandise.

If I were a rich man I'd probably give him the $100 for a book. But I'm not, so I'll wait and buy it used on Amazon.

 

[James DiEugenio]

The reason that book is so expenseI've goes back to Groden's lawsuit against Random House.

 

[Karl Kinaski]

Since the Zapruder Film shown by Groden in 1975 is debunked as a piece of manipulated junk, I wonder if Groden knew from the beginning, that it was a "poison-pill", that he was providing the American public. 

The Zapruder film is half true half a lie, like the Pentagon papers. (Read Prouty ...) Generations of researchers are caught in those traps. 

If Ellsberg and Groden were moles in the CTer community, posing as heroes, but only out to muddy the waters, and spreading chaos from within, they are both candidates for the  Distinguished Intelligence Medal

There are more moles out there, than a CTer can imagine. They are still out there ... 

 

KK

 

 

Edited March 14, 2017 by Karl Kinaski

[Karl Kinaski]

I do not think, that anybody else in the whole wide world ever had 82 bad arrests ... Groden the CTer martyr? Or Groden the mole, actor in what is called illusionary warfare, where the enemies in fact a cooperating in staged events for a purpose?

KK

[Brad Milch]

Quote: I'm with Jim on this one. Dealey Plaza is public place. Those who want to be alone can find a private spot.

Freedom of assembly and speech. That's what it's all about.

(Have a problem with porn? Install software to block it. For some reason I never see it, even without the software. There already must be something in place.) - Sandy Lawson

Throughout history, lots of people had an attitude that they could do as they please, wherever & whenever. They had the right to (in their minds).

Let's see...some names that quickly come to mind: Hitler, Stalin. Sodom & Gomorrah. Many of the people that got themselves arrested yesterday & last night around the world probably thought they had the right to do whatever they got busted for.

Brad Milch

PS: When I address Jim DiEugenio, it's as a student addressing a college level educator. Nothing personal, just questions a skilled educator should be able to easily handle when dealing with a classroom full of adults that don't all think the same thoughts on any given issue.

As for the excessive price Robert Groden wanted for his (then current) book, in all fairness, I honestly don't remember if he offered to autograph it or not for 100 bucks. I do remember thinking of how many groceries I'd have to skip over while existing on a small retirement pension in order to pay the man. I decided in my mind that I wouldn't pay 100 US dollars for any book (even if Moses autographed it).

I realize Robert Groden is a hero to some people & a selfish scoundrel to others. The impression he gave me will stay with me forever, regardless of how he appears to others.

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by Brad Milch

[James DiEugenio]

Karl:

First, the point about the Z film being a falsified pice of junk is not an established fact.  It may be one for you but not remotely for everyone.  There are many commendable writers and researchers who are either in disagreement or are agnostics.  (I would place Thompson in the first and  myself in the latter category.)  

Bob Groden sincerely believes in the reality of the Z film, like Thompson and, another example, Robin Unger. The Z film, as is, proves conspiracy in a number of ways.   And the impact it had on the public in 1975, and in 1991 was, to say the least, considerable.   So it does not follow that somehow Bob is some kind of an agent.

[Sandy Larsen]

21 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I'm with Jim on this one. Dealey Plaza is public place. Those who want to be alone can find a private spot.

Freedom of assembly and speech. That's what it's all about.

 

36 minutes ago, Brad Milch said:

Throughout history, lots of people had an attitude that they could do as they please, wherever & whenever. They had the right to (in their minds).

Let's see...some names that quickly come to mind: Hitler, Stalin. Sodom & Gomorrah. Many of the people that got themselves arrested yesterday & last night around the world probably thought they had the right to do whatever they got busted for.

Brad, your rebuttal to what I said is a non sequitur. Freedom of assembly and speech are not only legal, but are freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution. Hitler and Stalin did much worse than gather together with their followers and protest. (I can't speak for Sodom and Gomorrah. I can only assume that the people there did many wicked things.)

It is okay for the government to practice limited control over protests for the purpose of providing safety to the community, and other common-sense measures. But to allow only a three-hour window of assembly and the other steps the local government took was unreasonable. It's purpose was obviously to eliminate as much as possible any visible protest, and it succeeded. Those actions were clearly unconstitutional and I'm certain the Supreme Court would have decided against the city had they been challenged.