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Does Lifton's Best Evidence indicate that the coverup and the crime were committed by the same people?

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Jim and David   - I have wondered for a long time about the boxes of files on Cubans that the first search of the Paine residence turned up. They were never put into evidence as far as I know. Do either of you, or anyone else, know what happened to them?

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To my knowledge, no one knows what happened to all of them.  

Jeff Carter advanced some evidence that some of them were at one time in DPD custody.  But after the FBI stepped in, there was no way they would stick around.  I mean, just remember, when Hoover needed to get rid of the Minox camera, who did he tell Shanklin to get in contact with?  

But just recall, when Ruth went down to Nicaragua during the Contra war, she was reportedly recording names again. And what was good ole Mikey doing at Luby's in 1963?

And of course, none of this stuff made it into the WR.

 

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9 hours ago, David Lifton said:

... The significance of Oswald having an "enlarged" picture of the backyard photograph, in his Neely Street apartment, was that he most likely made the item himself, using the enlarger at Jaggars.  This fit with what Larry Schiller told me back around 1967--that it was his (very informal) opinion that if the backyard photos were forgeries, then Oswald made them himself.

DSL

4/20/2017 - 6:55 a.m PDT

David,

This is excellent.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

...As per Trejo, sometimes your attempts at rationalization are simply so wildly obtuse it really makes me wonder about you...

Your conclusion about the sum total of that weeks long relationship deserves to be quoted: "Lee was a miser, a freeloader and a big mouth Marxist who never joined a Communist Party.  Ruth just felt sorry for Marina.  Then all this."

In addition to that utterly false portrait, I think you leave out an important aspect.

The possessions in Ruth's infamous garage that, like the Nixon archives in Yorba Linda, turned out to be  the gift that kept on giving. Day after day, week after week, month after month that place kept on being the well spring for the case against Oswald.  You name it, we got it:

 Need a rifle, it was here!

Need photos, we got those!  Which ones do you need?

Need a note that looks like somehow Oswald was going to shoot someone, hey look inside these books!

Need a letter to the Russians, hey I got it here too!

Wrong camera for those BYP's, come and get the right one!

Need evidence of Mexico City, good ole Ruthie will get that for you!

It got so bad that the Secret Service started returning stuff to her since they suspected she was manufacturing evidence.  And after they detained Marina, they told her, no more Ruth Paine.  Its obvious she is CIA.

But, what did they know?  Right on PT.

James,

During the final week of September,1963, was Marina Oswald eight months pregnant, without health insurance, without money, and without having seen a doctor yet?

With Lee Harvey Oswald out of work?

Please give us your opinion

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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3 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

To my knowledge, no one knows what happened to all of them.  

Jeff Carter advanced some evidence that some of them were at one time in DPD custody.  But after the FBI stepped in, there was no way they would stick around.  I mean, just remember, when Hoover needed to get rid of the Minox camera, who did he tell Shanklin to get in contact with?  

But just recall, when Ruth went down to Nicaragua during the Contra war, she was reportedly recording names again. And what was good ole Mikey doing at Luby's in 1963?

And of course, none of this stuff made it into the WR.

 

Jim - no one ever wonders if the files belonged to Oswald. I have to think they were found, and really existed. Who they belonged to and what they contained could have been explosive.

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David,

 


11/27/1963

While interviewing Marina Oswald on 11/27/63 the United States Secret Service noted that at exactly 9:27 PM the translator for Marina Oswald, ATSAIC Gopadze remarked to FBI Special Agent Hosty that Marina Oswald recognized him as the FBI Agent who interviewed her on 10/27/63 and in response FBI SA Hosty confirmed that he did interview Marina on 10/27/63. The USSS thought this event remarkable enough to write a separate memo about this incident on 11/30/63.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=241&tab=page

The following Friday, 11/01/63, according to SA Hosty’s own testimony before the HSCA, SA Hosty was trying to “locate the whereabouts of Lee Oswald”. He had received information that his wife was living in Irving with Mrs. Paine but that “he was not there”. So SA Hosty drove out to Irving to inquire about the whereabouts of Lee Oswald and spoke to Mrs Paine and through her, (acting as an interpreter) to Marina Oswald.


HSCA 12/12/1975:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60437#relPageId=11&tab=page

…or not as he relates in his Warren Commission testimony (Volume IV)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=458&tab=page

Then on Tuesday the 5th of November he returns to the Paine’s with another FBI Agent and spends 2-3 minutes at the front door and asks Mrs Paine the same questions he asked on Nov. 1st. This time he sees Marina standing behind Mrs Paine but does not try to speak to her.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=461&tab=page

That Friday, 11/9/63,  Lee Oswald arrives at the Paine residence to spend the weekend with his family. On Saturday morning he asks Ruth Paine if he can use her typewriter. She allows him to use it at the dining room table, her only table at that time, which is located just off the kitchen and next to the door which leads to the garage where Lee’s seabags and papers are stored.

While Lee Oswald is typing at the table, Ruth Paine brings one of the children into the room and puts the child into a high chair located next to the dining table. As she does so, Lee moves to hide the contents of the letter he is typing arousing the suspicions of Ruth Paine.

Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony 4/18/1968

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1199#relPageId=38&tab=page
Ruth Paine relates that she found a rough draft of the the letter with corrections, “scratches and stuff” and since it had been her typewriter and she was “interested” she made a copy of it and then later stole the actual rough draft (CE 103).

Oswald 201 FBI SA Odom 302 (01/23/1963)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186#relPageId=212&tab=page

“I rearranged it on the evening of the 10th of November - that same day that I read the note” Ruth Paine

Warren Commission Hearings (Vol IX)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&relPageId=420


The rough draft sat on her desk secretary in the living room Saturday night and she read it on the Sunday the 10th and then decided to make a copy of it.
Warren Commission Hearings (Vol III)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=21&tab=page

She then left the copy on her desk secretary until later that evening when she asked Michael and Lee to help her rearrange furniture in the living room, swapping the locations of the couch and the desk secretary. At that time before Lee could see the document, she concealed it inside the desk secretary.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=25&tab=page

Michael Paine recalls being shown the letter by Ruth on Sunday 11/10/1963. Strangely Michael does not realize that the letter was written to the Russian Embassy but recalls it started with “Dear Lisa” and seemed to him to be a “somewhat fabricated story”. He does recall that Ruth seems really “irked” by it’s contents.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=38#relPageId=413&tab=page

Questions:

How did SA Hosty know that Oswald was not living with the Paines before he made his pretext visit?

If Lee Oswald typed this letter in the dining area and was so cautious of it’s contents, why was the rough draft left on the desk secretary in the living room? The door to the garage was three steps from the dining table.

Speaking of the desk secretary, it is a major part of Ruth’s story that it and the couch were rearranged in the living room but it magically appears in one of her statements in the dining area?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=796&tab=page

Why were there more spelling and punctuation errors on the typed document than the rough draft?

Would Lee Oswald really have misspelled his wife’s and daughters names as depicted in the typed version of the letter?


The letter was mailed from Irving on the 12th when LHO was in Dallas. Who mailed it?

 

The Ruuskies had problems believing the letter was real, as well (via Jim D) :

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“ This letter was clearly a provocation: it gives the impression we had close ties with Oswald and were using him for  some purposes of our own.  It was totally unlike any other letters the embassy had previously  received from Oswald.  Nor had he ever visited our embassy himself.  The suspicion that the letter is a forgery is heightened by the fact that it was typed, whereas the otter letters the embassy had received from Oswald before were  handwritten.

One gets the definite impression that the letter was concocted by those who, judging from everything, are involved in the President's assassination. It is possible that Oswald himself wrote the letter as it was dictated to him, in return for some promises, and then, as we know, he was simply bumped off after his usefulness had ended.”

 

Why would Oswald type this letter in the first place?

 

Ruth Paine, by her own account, played a few cloak and dagger games to acquire both the  original rough draft and her copy of it. Why would she sit on it until the day of the assassination when she gave the original draft to SA Hosty? And why, then, would she withhold her own copy until interviewed by SA Odum who had been sent to check up on SA Hosty whom FBI SAIC Shanklin was suspicious of?


Bonus Question:

This research also revealed that SA Hosty parked his car in front of the unoccupied house next door on both the Nov. 1 and Nov. 5th visits. How was Marina able to “get the drop on the FBI” and sneak out to copy Hosty’s license plate number?

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6 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Jim and David   - I have wondered for a long time about the boxes of files on Cubans that the first search of the Paine residence turned up. They were never put into evidence as far as I know. Do either of you, or anyone else, know what happened to them?

Paul: 

I ordered some of those index cards quite a few years ago. As I recall, this is probably 5-10 years ago, what I received back from NARA  were several 8 x 10  photocopies of the original  NARA items which were  5 x 7  ("Oxford") index cards of the type one could purchase at any stationary store (or, today, from Amazon).  Here's what was significant: just as Sylvia Meagher said in her book --Accessories after the Fact (in the chapter she wrote titled "Hidell", where she discussed this matter),  it took a certain subtlety of mind (on LHO's  part) to create an index card filled out in the name of his own alias, i.e., in the name of an imaginary person.  This card proved that Lee Oswald had done exactly that.  In other words, I now held, in my hands, a photocopy of an index card that Lee Oswald had personally made out in the name of Hidell, a fictitious person (to use the language of the Warren Report).  To state the matter somewhat differently: Oswald was sufficiently organized--mentally--to set up a primitive filing apparatus to keep track of his own self-impersonation. I will be dealing with this matter in some detail in Final Charade, and can't elaborate further at this time).

DSL

4/20/2017 - 8:40 p.m. PDT

Los Angeles, California

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David:

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is not at all what Paul was talking about.

If you want a hint at what he is speaking of, please turn to page 666 of the Warren Report, its the fourth speculation entry down.  (I have the St. Martin's Press edition published in 1991.  But it is in the Rumors and Speculations section, third page from the end.)

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12 hours ago, David Lifton said:

Paul: 

I ordered some of those index cards quite a few years ago. As I recall, this is probably 5-10 years ago, what I received back from NARA  were several 8 x 10  photocopies of the original  NARA items which were  5 x 7  ("Oxford") index cards of the type one could purchase at any stationary store (or, today, from Amazon).  Here's what was significant: just as Sylvia Meagher said in her book --Accessories after the Fact (in the chapter she wrote titled "Hidell", where she discussed this matter),  it took a certain subtlety of mind (on LHO's  part) to create an index card filled out in the name of his own alias, i.e., in the name of an imaginary person.  This card proved that Lee Oswald had done exactly that.  In other words, I now held, in my hands, a photocopy of an index card that Lee Oswald had personally made out in the name of Hidell, a fictitious person (to use the language of the Warren Report).  To state the matter somewhat differently: Oswald was sufficiently organized--mentally--to set up a primitive filing apparatus to keep track of his own self-impersonation. I will be dealing with this matter in some detail in Final Charade, and can't elaborate further at this time).

DSL

4/20/2017 - 8:40 p.m. PDT

Los Angeles, California

David - I think Jim is right. I just read the Hidell info in Accessories, and see the part you refer to. My memory, and I looked carefully at this a while ago, is that the first inspection of the Paine house turned up a filing cabinet with numerous cards with Cuban names. It wasn't clear if these were pro or anti Castro. Normally when this is mentioned anywhere the speculation is that the cards belonged to Ruth. Since there is no further record of this astounding find, we are in the dark. But given that it is possible that Oswald was seen at an Alpha 66 safe house in Dallas, and that he was known to associate with exiles in New Orleans, I think it more likely they belonged to Oswald, and that he was monitoring them as part of some assignment, whether official or not. Just my take. I wish there was more info on this. It seems very important. 

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14 hours ago, Chris Newton said:

David,

 


11/27/1963

While interviewing Marina Oswald on 11/27/63 the United States Secret Service noted that at exactly 9:27 PM the translator for Marina Oswald, ATSAIC Gopadze remarked to FBI Special Agent Hosty that Marina Oswald recognized him as the FBI Agent who interviewed her on 10/27/63 and in response FBI SA Hosty confirmed that he did interview Marina on 10/27/63. The USSS thought this event remarkable enough to write a separate memo about this incident on 11/30/63.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=241&tab=page

The following Friday, 11/01/63, according to SA Hosty’s own testimony before the HSCA, SA Hosty was trying to “locate the whereabouts of Lee Oswald”. He had received information that his wife was living in Irving with Mrs. Paine but that “he was not there”. So SA Hosty drove out to Irving to inquire about the whereabouts of Lee Oswald and spoke to Mrs Paine and through her, (acting as an interpreter) to Marina Oswald.


HSCA 12/12/1975:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60437#relPageId=11&tab=page

…or not as he relates in his Warren Commission testimony (Volume IV)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=458&tab=page

Then on Tuesday the 5th of November he returns to the Paine’s with another FBI Agent and spends 2-3 minutes at the front door and asks Mrs Paine the same questions he asked on Nov. 1st. This time he sees Marina standing behind Mrs Paine but does not try to speak to her.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=461&tab=page

That Friday, 11/9/63,  Lee Oswald arrives at the Paine residence to spend the weekend with his family. On Saturday morning he asks Ruth Paine if he can use her typewriter. She allows him to use it at the dining room table, her only table at that time, which is located just off the kitchen and next to the door which leads to the garage where Lee’s seabags and papers are stored.

While Lee Oswald is typing at the table, Ruth Paine brings one of the children into the room and puts the child into a high chair located next to the dining table. As she does so, Lee moves to hide the contents of the letter he is typing arousing the suspicions of Ruth Paine.

Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony 4/18/1968

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1199#relPageId=38&tab=page
Ruth Paine relates that she found a rough draft of the the letter with corrections, “scratches and stuff” and since it had been her typewriter and she was “interested” she made a copy of it and then later stole the actual rough draft (CE 103).

Oswald 201 FBI SA Odom 302 (01/23/1963)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186#relPageId=212&tab=page

“I rearranged it on the evening of the 10th of November - that same day that I read the note” Ruth Paine

Warren Commission Hearings (Vol IX)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&relPageId=420


The rough draft sat on her desk secretary in the living room Saturday night and she read it on the Sunday the 10th and then decided to make a copy of it.
Warren Commission Hearings (Vol III)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=21&tab=page

She then left the copy on her desk secretary until later that evening when she asked Michael and Lee to help her rearrange furniture in the living room, swapping the locations of the couch and the desk secretary. At that time before Lee could see the document, she concealed it inside the desk secretary.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=25&tab=page

Michael Paine recalls being shown the letter by Ruth on Sunday 11/10/1963. Strangely Michael does not realize that the letter was written to the Russian Embassy but recalls it started with “Dear Lisa” and seemed to him to be a “somewhat fabricated story”. He does recall that Ruth seems really “irked” by it’s contents.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=38#relPageId=413&tab=page

Questions:

How did SA Hosty know that Oswald was not living with the Paines before he made his pretext visit?

If Lee Oswald typed this letter in the dining area and was so cautious of it’s contents, why was the rough draft left on the desk secretary in the living room? The door to the garage was three steps from the dining table.

Speaking of the desk secretary, it is a major part of Ruth’s story that it and the couch were rearranged in the living room but it magically appears in one of her statements in the dining area?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=796&tab=page

Why were there more spelling and punctuation errors on the typed document than the rough draft?

Would Lee Oswald really have misspelled his wife’s and daughters names as depicted in the typed version of the letter?


The letter was mailed from Irving on the 12th when LHO was in Dallas. Who mailed it?

 

The Ruuskies had problems believing the letter was real, as well (via Jim D) :

Why would Oswald type this letter in the first place?

 

Ruth Paine, by her own account, played a few cloak and dagger games to acquire both the  original rough draft and her copy of it. Why would she sit on it until the day of the assassination when she gave the original draft to SA Hosty? And why, then, would she withhold her own copy until interviewed by SA Odum who had been sent to check up on SA Hosty whom FBI SAIC Shanklin was suspicious of?


Bonus Question:

This research also revealed that SA Hosty parked his car in front of the unoccupied house next door on both the Nov. 1 and Nov. 5th visits. How was Marina able to “get the drop on the FBI” and sneak out to copy Hosty’s license plate number?

Chris - good to see you back and posting. Oswald's exact relationship with FBI is an enduring mystery. Why was Oswald removed from the FBI watch list? Why was Hosty officially in the dark about Oswald's movements? Makes no sense. 

Edited by Paul Brancato

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11 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

David:

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but that is not at all what Paul was talking about.

If you want a hint at what he is speaking of, please turn to page 666 of the Warren Report, its the fourth speculation entry down.  (I have the St. Martin's Press edition published in 1991.  But it is in the Rumors and Speculations section, third page from the end.)

Jim:

I believe its you who is misinformed.

The "Speculations and Rumors" section of the Warren Report (Appendix 12) does address the (apparently mistaken)  report that the DPD "found in Oswald's room seven metal file boxes with the names of Castro sympathizers."  The WCR report goes on to state that that was not true. No file boxes of any kind were found in Oswald's room at Beckley Street.

Here's the link the USG Printing office version of the Warren Report; and what I'm referring to can be found on page 666 (second "speculation" from the bottom).

 https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/appendix-12.html  

As to the matter of what was found in Ruth Paine's garage, the Report (at that point) claims that there were some small file boxes, but "most of" that material were purely personal items that belonged to Ruth Paine. In perusing those DPD inventories years ago, I found the mention of some 5 x 7 (from memory) Index cards, and I ordered copies of them, and that's what I was referring to.

DSL

4/21/2017; 9:55 a.m. PDT

 

 

 

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15 hours ago, Chris Newton said:

David,

 


11/27/1963

While interviewing Marina Oswald on 11/27/63 the United States Secret Service noted that at exactly 9:27 PM the translator for Marina Oswald, ATSAIC Gopadze remarked to FBI Special Agent Hosty that Marina Oswald recognized him as the FBI Agent who interviewed her on 10/27/63 and in response FBI SA Hosty confirmed that he did interview Marina on 10/27/63. The USSS thought this event remarkable enough to write a separate memo about this incident on 11/30/63.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10490#relPageId=241&tab=page

The following Friday, 11/01/63, according to SA Hosty’s own testimony before the HSCA, SA Hosty was trying to “locate the whereabouts of Lee Oswald”. He had received information that his wife was living in Irving with Mrs. Paine but that “he was not there”. So SA Hosty drove out to Irving to inquire about the whereabouts of Lee Oswald and spoke to Mrs Paine and through her, (acting as an interpreter) to Marina Oswald.


HSCA 12/12/1975:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=60437#relPageId=11&tab=page

…or not as he relates in his Warren Commission testimony (Volume IV)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=458&tab=page

Then on Tuesday the 5th of November he returns to the Paine’s with another FBI Agent and spends 2-3 minutes at the front door and asks Mrs Paine the same questions he asked on Nov. 1st. This time he sees Marina standing behind Mrs Paine but does not try to speak to her.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=34#relPageId=461&tab=page

That Friday, 11/9/63,  Lee Oswald arrives at the Paine residence to spend the weekend with his family. On Saturday morning he asks Ruth Paine if he can use her typewriter. She allows him to use it at the dining room table, her only table at that time, which is located just off the kitchen and next to the door which leads to the garage where Lee’s seabags and papers are stored.

While Lee Oswald is typing at the table, Ruth Paine brings one of the children into the room and puts the child into a high chair located next to the dining table. As she does so, Lee moves to hide the contents of the letter he is typing arousing the suspicions of Ruth Paine.

Orleans Parish Grand Jury Testimony 4/18/1968

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1199#relPageId=38&tab=page
Ruth Paine relates that she found a rough draft of the the letter with corrections, “scratches and stuff” and since it had been her typewriter and she was “interested” she made a copy of it and then later stole the actual rough draft (CE 103).

Oswald 201 FBI SA Odom 302 (01/23/1963)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=111186#relPageId=212&tab=page

“I rearranged it on the evening of the 10th of November - that same day that I read the note” Ruth Paine

Warren Commission Hearings (Vol IX)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&relPageId=420


The rough draft sat on her desk secretary in the living room Saturday night and she read it on the Sunday the 10th and then decided to make a copy of it.
Warren Commission Hearings (Vol III)

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=21&tab=page

She then left the copy on her desk secretary until later that evening when she asked Michael and Lee to help her rearrange furniture in the living room, swapping the locations of the couch and the desk secretary. At that time before Lee could see the document, she concealed it inside the desk secretary.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=39#relPageId=25&tab=page

Michael Paine recalls being shown the letter by Ruth on Sunday 11/10/1963. Strangely Michael does not realize that the letter was written to the Russian Embassy but recalls it started with “Dear Lisa” and seemed to him to be a “somewhat fabricated story”. He does recall that Ruth seems really “irked” by it’s contents.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=38#relPageId=413&tab=page

Questions:

How did SA Hosty know that Oswald was not living with the Paines before he made his pretext visit?

DSL RESPONSE: Because he had done some preliminary investingation, in the neighborhood. As I recall, he mentioned this somewhere in his testimony. he made that determination by questioning some neighbors.

If Lee Oswald typed this letter in the dining area and was so cautious of it’s contents, why was the rough draft left on the desk secretary in the living room? The door to the garage was three steps from the dining table.

DSL Response: Oswald was following the instructions of a handler. He wrote the letter in the manner he did, becuase it was a provocation that was deliberately written and intended to be "discovered."  In other words, he "played" Ruth Paine. (And, he got the better of her.  She discovered the letter, which was intended to be found, read it, and was very irritated, if not infuriated, by what she read. Here was a man telling lies (remeber: she didn't believe he had gone to Mexico City) and was writing this bizarre letter that was filled with what were, to her, outrageous fictions, and doing so on her typewriter, and in her home.  Bottom line: this was a set-up, it was designed to provoke Ruth Paine, and it worked.

Speaking of the desk secretary, it is a major part of Ruth’s story that it and the couch were rearranged in the living room but it magically appears in one of her statements in the dining area?

Not significant. Could be an FBI error of observaton, or transcription; OR. . she might have moved it there, on that day. I don't know.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1317#relPageId=796&tab=page

Why were there more spelling and punctuation errors on the typed document than the rough draft?

Very likely because Oswald typed the letter very hurriedly.

Would Lee Oswald really have misspelled his wife’s and daughters names as depicted in the typed version of the letter?

If he was working very rapidly, and "clandestinely," in limited time. . yes, I think that's entirely possible.


The letter was mailed from Irving on the 12th when LHO was in Dallas. Who mailed it?

These events took place over a 3-day weekend, and November 11, a Monday, was Veterans Day. So Lee's first day of work was Tuesday, November 12th, and it was on that morning that Frazier drove him back to Dallas, and to work. So Lee had all day Monday, Novmeber 11th, to mail the letter in any neighborhood postal box, or even on Tuesday morning, November 12th, on his way over to Randle's place, to get his ride to work.

 

The Ruuskies had problems believing the letter was real, as well (via Jim D) :

Why would Oswald type this letter in the first place?

See previous responses. If my analysis is correct, Lee Oswald was a pre-selected fall-guy, and under the guidance and control of a handler., That verylikely means there was someone in the Irving, Texas, area, who was available to meet with Oswald (clandestinely) and assist him and advise im in engaging in this sort of thing. Of course (and again, if I'm correct), Lee Oswald was completely unaware that he (too) was being played, and being set up.He never suspected that he was being set up, and would be betrayed by a handler.

 

Ruth Paine, by her own account, played a few cloak and dagger games to acquire both the  original rough draft and her copy of it. Why would she sit on it until the day of the assassination when she gave the original draft to SA Hosty? And why, then, would she withhold her own copy until interviewed by SA Odum who had been sent to check up on SA Hosty whom FBI SAIC Shanklin was suspicious of?

Your first question is the important one. When she discovered the letter, Ruth's perception of the situation--as she explained--was that Lee Oswald weird, and--most important, as she testified, she just didn't believe him. So that's why I believe she didn't feel compelled to run to the FBI with the letter. As she made clear, she thought she had "a xxxx" on her hands; not someone involved in espionage.  And you don't go to the FBI just because an acquaintance of yours is behaving like a xxxx. After the assassination, she did turn the second item over to the FBI, within two days. As she said, she was fed up with it, and wanted to be done with it.


Bonus Question:

This research also revealed that SA Hosty parked his car in front of the unoccupied house next door on both the Nov. 1 and Nov. 5th visits. How was Marina able to “get the drop on the FBI” and sneak out to copy Hosty’s license plate number?

Marina was very clever. I can attest to that from speaking to her over the course of 15 years. If Lee said to her--as I believe he did (or must have): The FBI is bothering me (or "us"), it that man comes here again, I want you to get the license plate number on his car. . if that's what happened, I have no problem with the idea that Marina slipped away for a few minutes, wrote it down, and so  that's how it ended up in LHO's address book.

 

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Hope these answers suffice.

Again, thanks for descending into that rabbit hole, and providing me with all those Internet links.

 

DSL

4/21/2017 - 10:35 a.m. PDT

Los Angeles, California

TESTING.

Edited by David Lifton

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1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said:

David - I think Jim is right. I just read the Hidell info in Accessories, and see the part you refer to. My memory, and I looked carefully at this a while ago, is that the first inspection of the Paine house turned up a filing cabinet with numerous cards with Cuban names. It wasn't clear if these were pro or anti Castro. Normally when this is mentioned anywhere the speculation is that the cards belonged to Ruth. Since there is no further record of this astounding find, we are in the dark. But given that it is possible that Oswald was seen at an Alpha 66 safe house in Dallas, and that he was known to associate with exiles in New Orleans, I think it more likely they belonged to Oswald, and that he was monitoring them as part of some assignment, whether official or not. Just my take. I wish there was more info on this. It seems very important. 

Paul:

I understand your point of view, but here's the problem: There is no Dallas Police Department record--no DPD report, no DPD inventory, no DPD photographs, etc. --nor is there any such FBI record, of a filing cabinet.  Filing cabinets are big items - -I know. I have over 45 of them--2 drawer, 4 drawer, and 5 drawer.  Items that big couldn't just "disappear"--I don't think. So my take on this, over the years, is that what someone called a "filing cabinet" was in fact a little metal box with some 5 x 7 index cards inside. And that's why, when I was carefully reviewing the FBI (and/or DPD, I forget which just now) "property lists," the presence of those particular cards excited my interest. And that's why I ordered copies of them.

Hope this clarifies the situation. 

Believe me: I wouldn't put anything past the DPD, but its just not in the range of plausibility that they could make a 4 drawer filing cabinet (or even a 2 drawer one) just disappear. Without a trace. And without someone saying, "Oh yeah, and then I saw these mover people come in and  they were rolling this filing cabinet out on a dolly".  You know what I'm getting at.  As for those small metal boxes that hold 3 x5 or 5 x 7 index cards--that's an entirely different story.

DSL

4/21/2017 - 10:45 a.m. PDT

Los Angeles, California

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