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Does Lifton's Best Evidence indicate that the coverup and the crime were committed by the same people?

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6 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Yet please also admit that we can have two pieces of furniture -- a desk and a table -- and in passing call them both, "tables".

It's done quite a lot in English usage.  Two objects do not necessarily entail only two names.

That's fair.

If while reading her testimony, I find that Ruth is questioned about a "desk secretary" or a "dining table", should I conclude that it could mean either table or the specific table mentioned in the question and/or answer?

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On ‎4‎/‎19‎/‎2017 at 11:13 AM, David Lifton said:

The alteration of President Kennedy's body--i.e., the removal of bullets and, as necessary , the alteration of certain wounds--was integral to Kennedy's assassination. It was central to the assassination planning, which is why I have said, repeatedly, that this was a "body-centric" plot.

In Final Charade, I will present (additional) evidence of that statement, very powerful evidence, that I cannot disclose at this time.

<snip>

THE "EXCUSE MAKERS"

So the plain and simple fact that the body was altered--and altered "afterwards" (because, of course, Kennedy's body could not be altered until after he was murdered--that idea of "afterwards"  somehow morphs into the wrong-headed and mistaken that the whole idea of "altering the body" -- that that entire concept was first "conceived of" later, that it was all "after the fact" and somehow inspired by (or connected with) a  "noble act" authorized by "higher authority" whose "enlightened" motive for this despicable alteration (this "obstruction of justice") was  to avoid a nuclear war.  In other words, a political theory, for which there is no real basis, is offered as an "explanation" or "justification" for what happened to JFK's body, after his death.

That's just bunk.  Codswallop.

Instead of facing the ugly reality of the crime, some people persist in looking for an "acceptable" (or "politically correct") explanation.

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4/19/2017 - 9 a.m. PDT

David,

First, I look forward to seeing how you will support your "body-centric" CT with "very powerful evidence."   Perhaps I will be persuaded.

However -- as of today -- I am not.  My CT -- that the JFK pre-autopsy autopsy was a rush job, conceived at 4pm EST on 11/22/1963 -- still has energy, IMHO.

You argue against my CT, calling it "Codswallop," which is an amusing old British term for "nonsense."   Nice English usage.

But the cleverness of your English is not an argument.  Let's look at your argument again.

1.  That the idea of altering JFK's body "after" he was dead "somehow morphs" into the mistaken idea that idea of "altering the body" later.

2.  That this idea of altering JFK's body "after the fact" was inspired by a "noble act" by Hoover and LBJ to avoid a nuclear war -- that this is NONSENSE.

3.  That this idea of avoiding nuclear war is "a political theory, for which there is no real basis."

Yet the truth begs to differ -- the idea of avoiding nuclear war in 1963 was a very real concern.  It had a very real basis.   Further, any move to lie to the American People in the interest of National Security (i.e. to avoid nuclear war) if it is truly legitimate, is most certainly a noble act, and deserves recognition, even a half-century later.

I assure you that I'm not faint-hearted in the least, and the idea of a brutal crime does not scare me away -- if (and only if) solid evidence is presented to make the case.

Finally, I made no "morph" of the fact of the alteration of JFK's body into a "mistaken idea" of the alteration.  JFK's body was altered after he was shot, and the only debate between us remains whether this alteration was planned weeks or months in advance (as you will argue in your new book, Final Charade), or whether it was a last minute decision to push a Lone Shooter theory of the JFK murder -- in order to prevent nuclear war -- as I argue here.

Perhaps you cannot say anything further on this question until after your book is published -- so I am content to wait until then to see whether I agree that you have indeed provided "very powerful evidence" to support your "pre-planned autopsy" theory.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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43 minutes ago, Chris Newton said:

That's fair.

If while reading her testimony, I find that Ruth is questioned about a "desk secretary" or a "dining table", should I conclude that it could mean either table or the specific table mentioned in the question and/or answer?

Chris,

Why not just post here these questionable sentences that you find in Ruth Paine's WC testimony?  That way the reader doesn't need to guess at what you might have in mind.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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On 4/26/2017 at 6:43 AM, Paul Trejo said:

Mr. JENNER - It did make you curious?

Mrs. PAINE - It did make me curious. Then, later that day, I noticed a scrawling handwriting on a piece of paper on the corner at the top of my secretary desk in the living room. It remained there.  Sunday morning I was the first one up. I took a closer look at this, a folded sheet of paper folded at the middle. The first sentence arrested me because I knew it to be false. And for this reason I then proceeded--

I have a lot of posts in this thread about the inconsistencies which you've suggested are based on colloquialisms and Ruth's manner of speaking "in passing". Let's just look at some things you posted for now.

Does the Q&A above suggest that sometime in the afternoon or evening of Nov. 9th Ruth found the rough draft in her living room on the desk secretary?

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19 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Angleton and Harvey.

Dulles was on the back-up patsy chain in my view.

Most likely William Harvey, though he was soused in Italy at the time. DAP has an alibi with his Fidel obsession.

It's hard to excuse James Jesus Angelton, except that he started a Mole Hunt to catch whatever CIA Mole impersonated LHO in Mexico City.

Certainly David Morales who confessed, and E Howard Hunt, who also confessed.

As for General Ed Lansdale, as I recall, Larry Hancock defends him.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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3 hours ago, Chris Newton said:

I have a lot of posts in this thread about the inconsistencies which you've suggested are based on colloquialisms and Ruth's manner of speaking "in passing". Let's just look at some things you posted for now.

Does the Q&A above suggest that sometime in the afternoon or evening of Nov. 9th Ruth found the rough draft in her living room on the desk secretary?

Chris,

I've been posting a lot of quotations from WC testimony here.

Why not post the WC or FBI quotes that you have in mind, and end the guessing game?

As for your question above, there's not enough information there to decide whether Oswald moved his longhand page to another surface, or whether Ruth Paine described her desk as a table in certain sentences.

The WC attorney did not belabor the question you seem to belabor.

Why not just post the quote?

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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33 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Most likely William Harvey, though he was soused in Italy at the time. DAP has an alibi with his Fidel obsession.

It's hard to excuse James Jesus Angelton, except that he started a Mole Hunt to catch whatever CIA Mole impersonated LHO in Mexico City.

Certainly David Morales who confessed, and E Howard Hunt, who also confessed.

As for General Ed Lansdale, as I recall, Larry Hancock defends him.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

I put Lansdale (and Angleton and Phillips) on the Kill Oswald Crew.

I buy the Prouty/Krulak ID of the tramp photo. 

If Lansdale had been in on the Kill Kennedy Krew no way he'd be anywhere near Dealey Plaza after the hit.

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38 minutes ago, Paul Trejo said:

Why not post the WC or FBI quotes that you have in mind, and end the guessing game?

I don't know how more explicit I can get. I can see this is a total waste of my time engaging with you, again.

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5 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

I put Lansdale (and Angleton and Phillips) on the Kill Oswald Crew.

I buy the Prouty/Krulak ID of the tramp photo. 

If Lansdale had been in on the Kill Kennedy Krew no way he'd be anywhere near Dealey Plaza after the hit.

I agree about Lansdale.   Larry Hancock doubts Prouty.  

IMHO, nobody was on the Kill Oswald Crew except the Dallas Police force, who pressured the pimp Jack Ruby into doing it.  

Kantor was right about Ruby.

The Dallas Police were supposed to rub out Oswald an hour after the JFK murder, and failed miserably.  J.D. Tippit was just about to shoot Oswald when Oswald (and/or Roscoe White) outdrew him.

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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