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4 minutes ago, W. Tracy Parnell said:

Others thought the sketch looked like someone else or they didn't mention Phillips. It's subjective.

Ridiculous.  The sketch looks like Phillips, and your faith in co-incidence manifest.

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On 4/29/2017 at 4:45 PM, Cliff Varnell said:

The composite sketch of Maurice Bishop identified as David A Phillips by his niece.

Anyone mention this yet?

http://jfk-online.com/daphscavec.html

 

Cliff,

The sketch was of Maurice Bishop, an alias for David Atlee Phillips.

I take it as a historical fact that Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, the proposed killers of Fidel Castro, saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Maurice Bishop on September 24, 1963 in Dallas.  Antonio had a contract with Maurice Bishop of the CIA, to whack Castro.

Many, like Paul Brancato, jump to the unwarranted conclusion that Bishop was in the plot to kill JFK.  It is a leap of blind belief.

In his unpublished quasi-contract manuscript, The AMLASH Legacy (1988) Phillips said he was using Oswald in a plot to kill Fidel Castro.

Phillips said he was helping Oswald in Mexico City to get a Visa to Havana.

I take that all as true.

Just as James Jesus Angelton wanted to know the name of the CIA Mole who impersonated Oswald in Mexico City, so did Phillips.

Maurice Bishop wasn't working with David Morales.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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24th typo
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6 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Cliff,

I take it as a historical fact that Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, the proposed killers of Fidel Castro, saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Maurice Bishop on September 23, 1963 in Dallas.  

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Paul, is that date one of those things that you just made-up, or is it a mistake?

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1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Other than Guatemala, Bay of Pigs, JMWAVE?

Cliff,

OK, but my context was the JFK assassination and the framing of Lee Harvey Oswald. 

At least, that's what I see in my CT.

The CIA high-command didn't cotton to a JFK assassination -- so David Morales sought OUTSIDE conspiracies -- that's my take on it.

So far -- in the absence of other information -- I find James Jesus Angleton was surprised, just as David Atlee Phillips and Allen Dulles were surprised.

Sure, they hated JFK -- but so did a lot of people.   Only a few people shot JFK dead.  

The only CIA agents who definitely participated in the JFK murder were David Morales and E. Howard Hunt.  We know because they confessed.

All the others were non-CIA mercenaries and fanatics: Frank Sturgis.  Gerry Patrick Hemming.  Guy Banister.  David Ferrie.  Jack S. Martin.  Fred Crisman.  Tom Beckham -- you know the list.

William Harvey was possibly a supporting player, but more likely only a cheerleader from his barstool in Italy.

The real players were the fanatics among the Dallas Police officials and officers, as led by the Dallas Minutemen under guidance from General Walker.  (They used an Operation Northwoods model.)

In my reading, Roscoe White was one of them -- and furthermore, General Walker would have been proud to have his name publicized as the JFK lead assassin.  He left several clues behind, starting with this one:

http://www.pet880.com/images/19631129_Deutsche_NZ.jpg

Regards,
--Paul Trejo

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9 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

I take it as a historical fact that Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, the proposed killers of Fidel Castro, saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Maurice Bishop on September 23, 1963 in Dallas.  Antonio had a contract with Maurice Bishop of the CIA, to whack Castro.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

September 20, 1963: Ruth visits the Oswalds, and it is decided that Marina will return to Irving with Ruth for the birth of the baby.

 September 23, 1963: Ruth and Marina leave for Irving.

 September 24, 1963: Eric Rogers, a neighbor, sees LHO running to catch a bus.

 September 25, 1963: LHO collects his unemployment check of $33. Later, he catches a bus bound for Houston. Late that night, he places a phone call to Horace Twiford, an official of the Texas Socialist Labor Party.

 

http://jfkassassination.net/parnell/chrono.htm

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On May 3, 2017 at 8:49 AM, Paul Trejo said:

Yes, September 24th.  Typo.

--Paul

Paul Trejo wrote: " I take it as a historical fact that Antonio Veciana, leader of Alpha 66, the proposed killers of Fidel Castro, saw Lee Harvey Oswald in the company of Maurice Bishop on September 24, 1963 in Dallas.  Antonio had a contract with Maurice Bishop of the CIA, to whack Castro."

 

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Paul, LHO was in NOLA on the 24th, not in Dallas with DAP and AV. 

 

September 20, 1963: Ruth visits the Oswalds, and it is decided that Marina will return to Irving with Ruth for the birth of the baby.

 September 23, 1963: Ruth and Marina leave for Irving.

 September 24, 1963: Eric Rogers, a neighbor, sees LHO running to catch a bus.

 September 25, 1963: LHO collects his unemployment check of $33. Later, he catches a bus bound for Houston. Late that night, he places a phone call to Horace Twiford, an official of the Texas Socialist Labor Party.

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Part 2 of my series continues a skeptical look at the Veciana allegations as promoted by Gaeton Fonzi.

http://wtracyparnell.blogspot.com/2017/05/gaeton-fonzi-and-veciana-allegations.html

 I also include several documents (scroll to bottom of page) that are unavailable at Mary Ferrell including:

Interview of Ross Crozier

Interview of Colonel Sam Kail

Outside Contact Report-Antonio Veciana 8-30-78

Outside Contact Report-Jose Veciana

Fonzi memos to Dave Marston

Miscellaneous documents on Veciana from the State department and DOD

Fonzi-Veciana interview of May 10, 1976

Memo from Fonzi to Troy Gustavson

 

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