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Lee Forman

MKULTRA and the assassination

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Hi. Here is a great Youtube on the CIA's MKULTRA program. It reatures one of my favorite authors Christopher Simpson. If anyone hasn't read his book The Science of Coercion I strongly recommend it.

Please help spread the truth about this program by posting it on lots of big newspaper websites where lots and lots will see it. Dive into the mainstream, or you are marginalizing yourself!!!!

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Major Carleton S. Coon, the prototype for "Indiana Jones" who worked for Colonel Ulius L. Amoss in both the Cairo

OSS office and at ISI in Baltimore, MD has been linked into the MKULTRA program over the years. See my recent

posts on Carleton S. Coon, and his links to The Pioneer Fund of Wickliffe Draper as well as to MKULTRA. Recall

that Dr. Hans J. Eysenck is the only person to receive funding for BOTH MKULTRA and other Pioneer Fund projects.

Coon took over the Amoss spy operations in Cairo, Egypt and Baltimore, MD after Amoss died in 1961 and was

running them in 1963 when JFK was killed. Whether or not he was fully cognizant of what went down that day,

some of his star pupils were in Dallas that fateful afternoon and they were suspected of having undergone ManCand

style programming. Coon had advocated the assassination of Hitler and Mussolini in 1942 in an article in the Washington Post on April 19, 1942 the day before Hitler's birthday. Allen Dulles was later involved with The Plot to Kill Hitler run by my Great Uncle Klaus Schenck von Stauffenberg, but Dulles did it only to prevent Germany from being destroyed by US bombers because Hitler would not surrender under any circumstances.

Trust me when I tell you that these links into Carleton S. Coon and Ulius L. Amoss are the biggest breakthrough

in years in this case because they finally link together MKULTRA, The Pioneer Fund, Wick Draper and former OSS

operatives with know Soldiers of Fortune active in Miami and Interpen. This is the big one folks.

After doing a Google on Carleton Coon MKULTRA this is just a small sampling of what you will get... I am not

forcing a link between Ulius Amoss, Carleton Coon and MKULTRA... it exists and others have found it too.

<H2 class=r>Carleton S. Coon and Wickliffe P. Draper's Pioneer Fund - The ...</H2>... links both the CIA'S MKULTRA efforts at Mind Control and Programmed Assassins with .... Main article: Multi-regional originCarleton Coon believed Whites ...

educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11528&mode=threaded - 104k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>The U.S. Army Professional Writing Collection</H2>Carleton Coon, a professor of anthropology at Harvard, trained Moroccan resistance ... the CIA's Operation MKUltra, which conducted mind-control research. ...

www.army.mil/professionalwriting/volumes/volume3/august_2005/7_05_2.html - 101k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>AFIO Weekly Intelligence Notes #46-06 dated 20 November 2006</H2>In 1953, the CIA launched Project MK-ULTRA, which tested a number of drugs .... Browne and Carleton Coon) as U.S. Ambassador to Thailand from August 1953. ...

www.afio.org/sections/wins/2006/2006-47.html - 48k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>Resources on Systems of Surveillance</H2>Project MKULTRA, The CIA's Program of Research in Behavioral Modification - ...... but for the fact that subsequently Carleton Coon was chosen by "Wild Bill ...

www.well.com/user/jmalloy/gunterandgwen/resources.html - 221k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>Revelations of Secret Surveillance - Notes - Nov 11</H2>Project MKULTRA, The CIA's Program of Research in Behavioral ...... Carleton Coon was chosen by "Wild Bill" Donovan as an agent of the fledging OSS. ...

www.well.com/user/jmalloy/gunterandgwen/refs.html - 334k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this[PDF] <H2 class=r>Anthropologyand Counterinsurgency:</H2>File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML

Carleton Coon, A North Africa Story: The Anthropologist as OSS Agent 1941- ... Conspiracy theories abound concerning Bateson’s involvement with MK-Ultra. ...

www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/milreview/mcfate.pdf - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>Neil Brick's NHHI Conference Presentation - 2001</H2>Data proving the existence of recovered memory, ritual abuse, mk-ultra and ..... OTTAWA RECOVERED MEMORY PAGE http://www.carleton.ca/~whovdest/calof2.html ...

members.aol.com/smartnews/nb_nhhi01.htm - 35k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this[PDF] <H2 class=r>44 LGO MISTERIOSO está acontecendo no Departamento de Defesa. Nos ...</H2>File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML

Carleton Coon, A North Africa Story:The Anthropologist as OSS Agent 1941- ... Teorias de Conspiração a respeito do envolvimento de Bateson com MK-Ultra. ...

usacac.army.mil/CAC/milreview/portuguese/MayJun05/mcfate.pdf - Similar pages - Note this[PDF] <H2 class=r>48 LGO MISTERIOSO está sucediendo en el DepartamentodeDefensa( DOD ...</H2>File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML

ración MK-Ultra de la CIA., donde se realizaran inves- ...... Carleton Coon, A North Africa Story:The Anthropologist as OSS Agent 1941- ...

usacac.army.mil/CAC/milreview/download/Spanish/MayJun05/mcfatesp.pdf - Similar pages - Note this<H2 class=r>Shane Connolly — Willaim Connolly : ZoomInfo Business People ...</H2>Connolly, Sharon, Ottawa-Carleton District School Board, Sharon Margaret Connolly . ..... 110 suz@mk-ultra.com - San Francisco, California - May 5, 2001 - . ...

www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page7882.aspx - 115k - Cached - Similar pages - Note this

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Very interesting bit from Judyth Vary Baker's book - Lee Harvey Oswald, Trafford Publishing...

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Claudia Mullen's interview (in the link repeated below) provides the outline of her testimony:

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln07.htm

It is important to understand that at the time of this interview, considerable efforts had already been made to provide independent corroboration of details of her case. The level of detail is high. One simple example:

They called a lot of them in as "consultants". Dr. Heath or Dr. Green would say, "let's call Cameron in ... to test her." Next thing I knew, I would be called back to Tulane and here was the "Camera Man", Cameron. He came in around 1960 when I was about 9 or 10. He was there a lot at first, testing how much electricity was too much, they didn't want to fry my brain or anything because they needed me to seem fairly intelligent because I had to associate with people.

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But you asked me about Cameron. I knew him from about 1959 or 1960 and then when I was in high school one day, just out of the blue, someone said, "he fell off a mountain" - somebody named "Cleghorn" was coming to get me to do the electric shock. I was told years later, that yeah, he was mountain-climbing or skiing and fell off a mountain and died, so that was true.

Ewen Cameron did die on a mountain. He did have a colleague called Cleghorn. But the official version of his MK/ULTRA involvement says that Cameron did his "psychic driving"in Canada so that it was not conducted on American citizens....

If members can bear the irritating camerawork (leaving Claudia Mullen at crucial moments in her account), this link is to her testimony before the Advisory Committee on Human Radiation Experiments, 1995:

This link is to the testimony of her therapist, Dr Valerie Wolf. Note that Wolf states that the identification of Dr L(iam) Wilson Greene was made as a direct result of identification by an alleged mind control victim. Dr L Wilson Greene had never appeared in the MK/ULTRA literature before, but was found to be a real doctor at a relevant institution.

The stuff done by the AEC was expansive. We could only guess at how expansive.

http://www.rense.com/general36/history.htm

One thing I think folks have to recognize is overlap - many times based upon secrecy and clearances, but also because is secured location. Hence the Manhattan Project location was also allegedly used for ULTRA stuff. The black budget projects appear to have had points of collision.

Ironic how the Canadians managed to get some form of payout and apology. I'm not aware of any such extension of courtesy and recognition to the victims here.

Although it's officially been dismissed, I still have found nothing to discredit T. Casey Brennan - who sheds quite a bit of light on the project - with respect to processes used, methods of sourcing individuals [the 'seekers'], folks involved, etc. As per Brennan, the one big name which still remains to be revealed - working closely with David Ferrie, is one J.H. Earnshaw, D.O., of Port Hope, Michigan. I have yet to find a trace of this invidual - however, Brennan maintains that he was a very big player.

Have you ever come across this name?

- lee

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What about Luis Angel Castillo?

Now here's a Cuban, former military, prisioner, obvious MKULTRA subject AND Cuban exfiltration agent related to Eddie Bayo, claims to have been in Dallas and was subjected to counter-intelligence interrogation.

LACastillo is also the person named by an NSA code clerk and KGB Double-agent (exposed by Mitrokin) as the person named in NSA records as the real assassin of President Kennedy.

Who programed Castillo?

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My own view is that like Operation 40, wealthy individuals were allowed to buy into the MK/Ultra program. I suspect that this explains the assassination attempts on JFK, RFK, MLK and George Wallace. As Nixon had discovered how JFK was assassinated, it made sense to him to use the same method to get rid of Wallace.

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My own view is that like Operation 40, wealthy individuals were allowed to buy into the MK/Ultra program. I suspect that this explains the assassination attempts on JFK, RFK, MLK and George Wallace. As Nixon had discovered how JFK was assassinated, it made sense to him to use the same method to get rid of Wallace.

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RE: THOMAS BREMER, THE BROTHER OF ARTHUR BREMER AND WILLIAM BRYAN-Rev. Jerry Owen.

This comment by John about Wallace reminded by of the thread I started called Sirhan Sirhan and Arthur Bremer: One Degree of Separtion. in the Political Conspiracies Section.

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This is from the following article by the former LAPD cop who is also the author of Crossing the Rubicon. However I have also read this in the Christian and Turner book, The Assassination Of Robert Kennedy,( which is MY CANDIDATE FOR THE BOOK WITH THE MOST INTERSTING FOOTNOTES EVER! THE REST OF THE BOOK IS AMAZING ALSO!)

Does CIA produce mind-controlled assassins? Well, aside from the reams of material released under the FOIA from CIA's which say that they do, stop for a minute and look at one LAPD document from SUS files. Sirhan Sirhan was hypno-programmed using hypnosis drugs, and torture by. Among others, the Reverend Jerry Owen and CIA mind-control specialist William Bryan hypno-programmed Sirhan at a stable where he worked months before the shooting. Also working there, at the same time, was Thomas Bremer, the brother of Arthur Bremer who, in 1972, shot Presidential Contender George Wallace. Read it for yourself and ask yourself what you believe about the existence of democracy in this country and what you believe about the fate of ANY Presidential candidate not sanctioned by the powers that be before the "race" is run.

ARTICLE HERE:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/rfk.html

-------------http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11983

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RE: THOMAS BREMER, THE BROTHER OF ARTHUR BREMER AND WILLIAM BRYAN-Rev. Jerry Owen.

This comment by John about Wallace reminded by of the thread I started called Sirhan Sirhan and Arthur Bremer: One Degree of Separtion. in the Political Conspiracies Section.

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This is from the following article by the former LAPD cop who is also the author of Crossing the Rubicon. However I have also read this in the Christian and Turner book, The Assassination Of Robert Kennedy,( which is MY CANDIDATE FOR THE BOOK WITH THE MOST INTERSTING FOOTNOTES EVER! THE REST OF THE BOOK IS AMAZING ALSO!)

Does CIA produce mind-controlled assassins? Well, aside from the reams of material released under the FOIA from CIA's which say that they do, stop for a minute and look at one LAPD document from SUS files. Sirhan Sirhan was hypno-programmed using hypnosis drugs, and torture by. Among others, the Reverend Jerry Owen and CIA mind-control specialist William Bryan hypno-programmed Sirhan at a stable where he worked months before the shooting. Also working there, at the same time, was Thomas Bremer, the brother of Arthur Bremer who, in 1972, shot Presidential Contender George Wallace. Read it for yourself and ask yourself what you believe about the existence of democracy in this country and what you believe about the fate of ANY Presidential candidate not sanctioned by the powers that be before the "race" is run.

ARTICLE HERE:

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/pandora/rfk.html

-------------http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=11983

... but you know how hard it is to find good stable-help these days!

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The HL Hunt "heroism" material is suggestive of something deeper going on.

Jan, I think there was also one on the evils of taxation and welfare, if I recall correctly.

I've long viewed Ruby having those publications as possibly indicative (along with his Preludin intake, sleep deprivation and association with hypnotists) of brainwashing - the use of propaganda being one element.

I recently came across the testimony of Edward Pullman. Pullman was an entrepreneur/inventor who Ruby approached to promote the twist boards. According to Pullman, in early November he held a "Texas Products Show" at the Exhibition Hall. Ruby and some of his girls were there demonstrating the Twists Boards when Ruby approached Pullman with the Lifeline material. Apparently Hunt was giving it away inside bags of groceries at his stall, and Ruby was complaining bitterly about it, saying he was going to send it to Kennedy.

Mr. PULLMAN. Oh, he tried to get down there almost every night if he could, but he did come down one night; he made a tour of the place and he ran across the H. L. Hunt display, and during that time they were giving out a shopping bag with food and a lot of this Lifeline literature that they inserted into the bags and I heard somebody calling my name I was away up towards the middle of the display and I heard somebody call my name and it was Jack way down below calling me and he was walking at a very fast clip and he had a bunch of papers in his hand and he comes up to me breathless with Senator trailing behind him and showing me all this Lifeline material, and I couldn't stop to read it because there were people all around the place, and he said, "I'm going to send this stuff to Kennedy--I want to send this stuff to Kennedy." He said, "Nobody has any right to talk like this about our Government."

Mr. GRIFFIN. Senator was present at the time?

Mr. PULLMAN. Yes; George Senator was there. He got real excited and I said, "Well, you just know a.bout it now, but Lifeline has been out for some time," and that's what he does and that's how be gets his material around. He said, "I'm going to do something about this, I'm going to see that this is taken up in Washington," and that was the incident that I recall. I think I even mentioned that to the FBI.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you recall what this literature was; do you recall any of the specific pieces of literature?

Mr. PULLMAN. Well, I know it was anti-administration, anti-Government type of literature that he has always been giving out. I don't know if you have ever listened to his Lifeline program on the radio or not.

Mr. GRIFFIN. W, hat sort of literature was this--was there a radio script or pamphlets?

Mr. PULLMAN. Pamphlets--just pamphlets and sheets talking about the Government. I didn't stop to read them, but I know about them.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did you actually look at these sheets?

Mr. PULLMAN. Yes; I looked at the sheets.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Was there any advertising on it?

Mr. PULLMAN. No; you see, actually, I don't know whether this ought to be in the record--that was one of the reasons, I understand, that he wasn't allowed to have his display at the New York Fair because he gives out this type of literature, and they broke his lease on that basis.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Do you remember the names of any of the pamphlets that were put out?

Mr. PULLMAN. No.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Would you recall them if some were suggested to you?

Mr. PULLMAN. No; I couldn't say.

Mr. GRIFFIN. How long did Jack talk about this literature?

Mr. PULLMAN. Oh, it was just a few minutes and then took off. He was all excited and red faced, livid, and that's the way he got--hot and cold like that and I have seen that so many times.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did he complain to anybody at the H. L. Hunt booth?

Mr. PULLMAN. No, there was no one there there was nobody there at the time.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Who else was present besides you and George Senator?

Mr. PULLMAN. That's all

Convenient or coincidental that the Hunt stand was unmanned, so that Jack could not complain directly?

And was Senator suffering amnesia when he testified about 3 months prior to Pullman?

Mr. GRIFFIN. Are you familiar with the name H. L. Hunt?

Mr. SENATOR. I think everybody is. He is one of the very wealthy men.

Mr. GRIFFIN. In Dallas?

Mr. SENATOR. Yes.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Jack ever mention having met him?

Mr. SENATOR. Not to me.

Mr. GRIFFIN. You know H. L. Hunt is politically active, he has a radio program.

Mr. SENATOR He is in everything. He is in many, many things, I understand; oh, well, I didn't know what all his activities are, but the name is like, when you hear the name, it is like listening to the name of the President--I mean that well known, I would say.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Have you ever seen Jack with any literature that was put out by H. L. Hunt?

Mr. SENATOR. Not that I know of offhand.

Several of Ruby's associates were asked about Pullman. Some claimed he was the closest friend Ruby had, and indeed, his phone number was in the "permanent" (most phoned) section of Ruby's list of phone-a-friends. However, Pullman testified that only he met Ruby that summer due to his wife commencing work with him as a hostess - a job which only lasted a few weeks. According to Pullman, he didn't hear from Ruby again until the phone call about promoting the Twist Boards.

Meanwhile his wife told the FBI that she had been acquainted with Ruby for 10 years - having previously worked at the Theatre Lounge.

Ruby of course, never did send the material to Kennedy - and nor did he apparently take the opportunity to approach the Hunts about it a few weeks later when he took Connie Trammel to the office of Lamar on or about the 21st - yet others testified he was agitated about the articles over the course of that weekend.

The question has to be asked: does all this point to Pullman providing a cover story for Ruby having the material, or was Pullman telling the truth, Senator just being forgetful, and Ruby just being his usual inconsistent self?

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Jan, thanks for posting the Claudia Mullen transcript. It's very unpleasant reading. Awful, in fact.

I was struck by a couple of things she said. Firstly, the name she used to call Mr. Fenner, the Chairman of the Board at Tulane, who she caled "The Magister". This, clearly, is a reference to the Magister Templi, an occult degree of seniority -- and is one of the degrees of Crowley's O T O. You'll get a sniff about that degree from the following: http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/thelemedd.html in the section dealing with Crowley's "A.'A.'. It is also as well to bear in mind that the O. T. O. derived from a German occult order.

The location of the hotel she discusses, leaps out also, because of david ferrie's connection to New Orleans -- plus the very interesting extract of Judyth Vary Baker's book posted above by Lee Forman.

Fenner, like Clay Shaw, was a mover and shaker in New Orleans "society" -- and if Stone is accurate in his JFK movie Shaw, Ferrie and others used to dress up in Mardi Gras costumes when "partying".

Did you notice in her testimony thatshe mentioned engaging n "ceremonies", but when Wayne Morris asked her directly "what kind of ceremonies", she avoided answering. Just blanked the question, in fact. Odd.

Do you remember Russbacher and that side of things down in the West Country all those years ago? Russbacher's girlfriend down there contacted me to ask for information about mind control -- a particular psychoactive medication as I recall -- because she was worried about Gunther's state of health and because he had told her about the medication he was on... Interesting, I think.

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I wouldn`t buy Mr.Brennans story with a fake $50.

Why not Michael? Curious.

In the case of ULTRA related child victims, I was able to find a few correlations - a family link to Military Intel and / or underworld and/or a secret society. In a few of the cases, including Brennan's, the biological Father was not the Father than raised them - in at least 2 cases, the Mother refused to reveal the identity of the Father. Never managed to figure this one out - but one victim believed that there had been some form of breeding going on - not necessarily for genetics, but to attempt to reproduce certain uncanny, special traits and abilities in the father.

In the case of many victims, coercion was used with the family - many times in order to bargain for something - eg a case of sexual abuse. Patriotism was referenced. Brennan's case is a classic - plus he provides additional material with respect to how candidates for experimentation were found, drugs used, hypnosis techniques, conditioning techniques, locations, etc. He claims to have been one of Ferrie's 'boys' - has provided details about Ferrie that seem to hold up - even when considering that information he went public with was before much was known - about Ferrie or MKULTRA. And he has never even gone public with certain details.

I had the opportunity to speak with another MK victim, who called me from Thailand or someplace, and we spoke about the fact, documented, that men with ski masks broken into the Brennan's home in early 1970s? - tied them up, poured gasoline over them, and lit them on fire. In particular, they burned their hands. Why? The MK individual I spoke with said that there was a very good reason for this - but refused to elaborate. ? Why bother to attempt to murder the Brennans - and in this type of fashion?

How did T. Casey learn so much about these details, including the name 'The Project?' Was there a strong presence of MKULTRA related experimentation in Port Hope, Michigan or not?

In the last days of David Ferrie's life, in mid-1966, and early 1967, David Ferrie met with us on several occassions. I was always drugged and hypnotized during those meetings, so the words would just barely filter through, in little bits and fragments. I was no credible witness, then or now. But I knew Dr. E and David Ferrie were creating a disease to attack Africa. It must have been 1966 when David Ferrie told me they had successfully infected someone.

"It's going to fly!" David Ferrie said of the AIDS virus, grinning proudly. Daddy smiled a sheepish smile, and nodded. He was afraid then. So am I. Even now.

- lee

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I have to also say that I find Brennan fascinating. Despite his rambling disjointed style of writing, his occult knowledge alone as it pertains to MKULTRA, suggests to me that he is to be taken with more than a pinch of salt.

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Sirhan used Rosicrucian material to hypnotize himself. (Obtained from?)

Apparently (he said tentatively because he has never properly researched it) Sirhan Sirhan acquired his interest in the occult after a trip to Pasadena. Curious, because this was the home base of Crowley's "Agape Lodge", once under the control of rocket-man Jack Parsons, granddaddy of the Jack Parsons Laboratory, ahem, Jet Propulsion Laboratory of NASA.

Back to those wandering bishops, it seems.

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Greg - interesting. It does feel as if some convoluted cover story is being concocted.

Lee - like David, I find Brennan intriguing. However, there are other individuals involved with all this that I have had direct personal contact with, and trying to work out the nature of their testimonies is already a mammoth task.

David - thank you for your comments. Your extensive research over the years does provide you with a very particular level of insight as to what we may be glimpsing with the Claudia Mullen material.

For anyone considering the testimony of Claudia Mullen (and the YouTube videos of her & her therapist, Valerie Wolf), it is important to understand that this is not unique testimony. There are many others who provided similar testimony. Also note that Wolf states that in her therapy sessions:

"I don't use hypnosis to look for memories. I don't put people in trance."

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/radio/ckln09.htm

Secondly, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation went to war with these individuals and attempted to deny the validity of "recovered memories". The board of the FMSF contained doctors that we now know or suspect to have been MK/ULTRA contractors, and two members of the FMSF Scientific Advisory Board were editors of Paidika, a magazine which campaigned in favour of paedophilia. Despite this, MSM generally regarded the FMSF as the guardian of "scientific truth" in the mid-to-late 90s.

Some other observations, in no particular order:

David, from your Thelema link, I see Crowley was a member of The Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Masonry 33rd Degree. Do you know if this is the same Scottish Rite of Freemasonry that sponsored all that, ahem, schizophrenia research?

Claudia Mullen's impressionistic memories about Fenner, Magister, Mardi Gras costumes, New Orleans high society etc do leap out. They may have an innocent explanation, but this subject matter is far from innocent.

Re: Gunther Russbacher, he eventually married Jane, much to Rayelan's (his original wife's) disgust. Indeed, Rayelan was convinced that the Russbacher I visited in an Austrian prison was a double. Russbacher himself told me of his MC programming being discovered by an Austrian intelligence hypnotherapist, and the Austrian attempt at deprogramming. See below.

Rayelan and the Gunther I knew sent me some material outlining his (and an alleged Austrian Intelligence Officer's) understanding of how MC programming - which he called Operation Open Eyes, Operation Clear Eyes, Project Mirror etc - worked. That material and more was adapted by Rayelan and others into the document which can be seen here:

http://www.whale.to/b/rm8.html

Please note that this material has been given an overtly political gloss (with a distinct "Patriot" and "New World Order" flavour). As part of the historical context it is worth remembering that German intelligence were allegedly involved with the Patriot/Elohim City supposed connection to the Oklahoma City bombing in an agent provocateur role.

For the purposes of forum researchers, the potentially important material begins about a third of the way down with "Operation Open Eyes" and the descriptions of Levels 1-5 of programming.

Russbacher's material does mention some specific new alleged (MK/ULTRA) locations such as Doctor's Hospital in Dallas and Stoney (Stony?) Mountain which he regarded as particularly central to the secret programmes. Do these ring any bells with forumites?

Jan, I am no expert on Freemasonry, but I think there is only one Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite. That is not to say that others would not hijack the name as a cloak for their nefarious activities. This happens a lot. There are no end of splinter groups and fake orders -- each being a very useful tool for arms-length activity and blame-rod-ing.

Yes, Jane. I had forgotten her name. Nice person, I thought. I read somewhere that she was a student/adherent of the late Malachai Martin. I have absolutely no knowledge if this is true or not, but in view of that gentleman's specialist interests, it would make a certain sense. It is, in any case, a small world, this world we are investigating...

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