Jack S. Martin Sr.

[Stephen Roy]

Schoener makes no mention of the film showing anything to do with General Walker.

[Robert Howard]

Schoener makes no mention of the film showing anything to do with General Walker.

Seems like a decent follow-up post to me...See below

END

Sun, The (Baltimore, MD) - August 10, 1997

Deceased Name: John J. Martin

74, NASA and CIA official

John J. Martin, a retired NASA administrator and associate deputy director of the Central Intelligence Agency during the Nixon administration, died Thursday of complications from Parkinson's disease at Charlestown Retirement Community in Catonsville. He was 74.

Born in Detroit and raised in South Bend, Ind., Mr. Martin graduated from the University of Notre Dame in 1943 with a degree in mechanical engineering.

He enlisted in the Navy in 1943, was commissioned a lieutenant and served in Guam. He attended the Naval Academy in Annapolis, Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology before being discharged in 1946.

He subsequently earned a master's degree from Notre Dame and a doctorate in mechanical engineering from Purdue University in 1951.

After working several years as an engineer, he became a consultant on logistics and foreign affairs to President Richard M. Nixon in the federal Office of Science and Technology from 1969 to 1973.

In 1974, he became associate deputy director of the CIA, then special assistant to the director. He also served in several positions at the Pentagon, including principal deputy assistant secretary of the Air Force. After returning to work in the private sector, he was named associate administrator of aeronautics and space technology at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in 1983.

He helped establish the Advanced Technical Center for Bendix Corp. in Columbia, where he worked from 1979 to 1983.

He retired from NASA in 1985, and he and his wife, the former Carol Kline, moved to Charlestown from Bethesda several years ago.

Services will be held at 10 a.m. tomorrow in the chapel at Charlestown, 701 Maiden Choice Lane.

In addition to his wife of 49 years, survivors include a daughter, Anne Moran of Louisville, Ky., and two sons, Peter Martin of Arlington, Va., and Stephen Martin of Ellicott City.

Pub Date: 8/10/97

END

San Diego Union-Tribune, The (CA) - April 30, 1996

Deceased Name: Barney Martin , 70

retired Navy captain

Barney Martin, a retired Navy captain who devoted himself to community causes and land development after a career as an intelligence specialist, died of leukemia Thursday at Scripps Memorial Hospital-Encinitas. He was 70.

Upon leaving the military in 1976, Capt. Martin designed and built his home in Rancho Santa Fe and assumed leadership roles in many civic and cultural organizations.

President for the past five years of Rancho Santa Fe's Public Interest Committee, he had been selected to receive an annual community service award this year in recognition of his civic commitment.

Capt. Martin and his wife, Virginia, were members for the past 19 years of the Zoological Society of San Diego, hosting many fund-raising events. The Martins were selected last year as co-chairmen of the 1996 Rendezvous In the Zoo gala.

For three years beginning in 1973, Capt. Martin served as director of the Naval Investigative Service in Washington. He commanded a worldwide counterintelligence agency with 150 field offices and more than 1,200 civilian agents.

At the end of his Washington tour in 1976, which marked the final stop in his military career, he was awarded the Legion of Merit.

Capt. Martin entered private business after leaving the military. He formed a firm that would become known as Terrain Ventures, which developed commercial properties in Orange County and the Palm Springs area.

He also joined Long Beach Cemetery Association Investments, following his late father and brother into the business. Capt. Martin became the firm's principal stock holder and president in 1987, overseeing interests in oil, gas and real estate.

In 1978, he joined Robert H. Davis of La Jolla in forming a general partnership, Delta Development, which has holdings in four states.

Capt. Martin continued to pursue his investment career until December, when his condition worsened and he underwent heart surgery.

He had served as chairman of the development committee for the Rancho Santa Fe Community Foundation and was involved in the Rancho Santa Fe Library Guild, Garden Club, Historical Society and Golf Club.

He was an associate member of his community's Republican Women's Club.

Capt. Martin was born in St. Louis, Mo., and raised in Salem, Ill., graduating in 1942 as valedictorian of his high school class.

Four years later, he graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy, ranking 47th among 809 students.

He served three years on the cruiser Dayton in the Mediterranean before being assigned to the Naval Air Basic Training Command in Pensacola, Fla. He received his wings in December 1949.

Capt. Martin became an intelligence specialist in 1956, serving in the Office of Naval Intelligence in the Pentagon.

He returned to the Mediterranean in the 1960s as a commanding intelligence officer of the 6th Fleet aboard the guided missile cruiser Springfield.

After settling in Rancho Santa Fe, Capt. Martin became a member of the President's Circle of the San Diego Museum of Natural History. He was a supporter of the Boy Scouts, YMCA, Meals on Wheels, the Museum of Man, the San Diego Historical Society, the Old Globe Theatre and the Stephen Birch Aquarium at the Scripps Institution of Oceanography.

He is survived by his wife.

Services are scheduled for 3 p.m. Thursday at the North Island Naval Air Station Navy chapel, Coronado. Donations are suggested to the Zoological Society of San Diego or the Rancho Santa Fe Community Foundation.

San Diego Union-Tribune, The (CA)

Date: April 30, 1996

Author: JACK WILLIAMS

Edition: UNION-TRIBUNE 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8

Page: B-5:1,6,7,8 B-7:2,3,4,5

Record Number: SDUN3043048

Copyright 1996 Union Tribune Publishing Co.

END

Philadelphia Inquirer, The (PA) - August 11, 1986

Deceased Name: Carl N. Martin Jr.

Carl N. Martin Jr., 83, a retired U.S. intelligence agent who headed the Philadelphia office of the CIA, died Saturday at Dunwoody Village, Newtown Square. He was formerly of Chester Springs.

He served in naval intelligence during World War II. After the war, he served in the Central Intelligence Agency until he retired in 1965.

According to his brother Oliver Martin, he was chief of the Philadelphia office of the CIA for 10 years until retiring.

He was a 1926 graduate of Yale University.

He was a member of the Merion Cricket Club and the Philadelphia Club.

Survivors: a sister, Evelyn Maturin-Baird; two brothers, Hollinshead T. Martin and Oliver Martin; three nieces, and three nephews.

Services: Private.

END

San Diego Union, The (CA) - April 3, 1985

Deceased Name: Edward Martin dies; Navy hero

Edward Martin, 75, of Del Cerro, who completed careers in Navy intelligence and in the San Diego Fire Department, died March 21 in Mercy Hospital.

Mr. Martin's most recognized exploit was the virtual single-handed capture of 90 Japanese soldiers who were fleeing Shanghai at the end of World War II.

The soldiers were coming down the Yangtze River on six armed junks with the aim of sailing to Taiwan, which still was in Japanese hands. His daughter, Molly Allaire, recalls the story.

"He boarded the lead junk with a .38-caliber pistol and sat down on a heap of hand grenades. He gave the fleeing Japanese the choice of returning to Shanghai or 'all of us being blown up together.' The junks returned.

"My father took the direct approach when possible," his daughter said.

He was awarded the Silver Star and a citation for the capture. Most of his work, however, was in intelligence. He prized highly a commendation from the late Adm. Milton E. Miles, author of the book, "A Different Kind of War."

Adm. Miles wrote that "Cmdr. Martin was involved in combat intelligence, spending much of his time behind enemy lines, where his life constantly was in danger." Adm. Miles said that he relied on Mr. Martin, not only in the field, but as a personal adviser. Mr. Martin remained in the Naval Reserve and was recalled to active duty, in Naval intelligence in the Korean Conflict. He retired, as a captain, in 1967.

He was born in Pittsburgh, Pa., but the family moved to San Diego when he was 10 months old.

He was a graduate of St. Augustine High School. Later, he graduated from from Villanova University with double majors in transportation and economics. He joined the San Diego Fire Department in 1930 and advanced to head arson investigator.

During afternoons and weekends, during the same period, 1932 to 1942, he was athletic director and track and football coach at St. Augustine High.

During World War II, he worked principally with the Sino-American Cooperative Organization in China.

After the war, he returned to the Fire Department, working his way through the ranks from investigator to assistant fire marshal and captain in the Fire Prevention Bureau.

He retired from the Fire Department in 1950 and within a few weeks was recalled to active duty to go to Korea.

He is survived by his wife, Esther; a daughter, Molly Allaire; and two sisters, Bea Baker and Marie Martin, all of San Diego, and one granddaughter.

Private services were conducted in the Carmelite Monastery in San Diego, with Humphrey Mortuary in charge. Burial was in El Camino Memorial Park.

The family suggests memorial donations to the Sisters of Carmel, 5158 Hawley Blvd., San Diego, or the San Diego Hospice.

[Thomas Graves]

How reliable is Jack Martin as a witness?

He was interviewed by FBI agents Regis Kennedy and Claude Schlager on 25th November, 1963.

Martin advised that in his occupation as a private investigator he has had occasion to develop considerable information about Ferrie and reported it to Richard E. Roby, Special Agent, Investigative Division, Office of Compliance and Security, Federal Aviation Agency, Washington, D.C., who must have a big file on Ferrie as they conducted a complete investigation of his activities in New Orleans several years ago.

[...] (emphasis added by T. Graves)

Dear Mr Simkin,

His last name was Robey, not "Roby".

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YJ__vbmgbXkJ:www.jfk-online.com/jpsjmlfaa1125.html+%22richard+e+robey%22+faa&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Sincerely,

--Tommy

Edited January 21, 2012 by Thomas Graves

[Paul Trejo]

Schoener makes no mention of the film showing anything to do with General Walker.

You're right, Stephen. I sent a follow-up email to Schoener for more clarification about the Film itself, which is of primary interest.

--Paul

[Guest Tom Scully]

Robert, I am unable to grasp your point, since info here indicates the surname Martin is 17th most common in the U.S., and 4th most common in Canada. Raindrops, snowflakes, and grains of sand, and coincidences related to making heads or tails of the details related to the Kennedy and Oswald murders are even more numerous than Martins, living and dead.

Are you emphasizing that it is worth our while to research Martins not yet named as persons of interests, or that it is futile to do so? I speak as someone who has had some luck in this area,

Vogel, Lois B. of Richfield/Mpls. Born April 11, 1931, passed away Oct. 7, 2006 at the age of 75. (Lois was named in the Jack W. Martin's April, 2002 obituary) but I still require a narrow structure to frame my searches.

Consider that I am probably as receptive to researching Martins as anyone, but I still need much convincing to make it a priority.

[Robert Howard]

Robert, I am unable to grasp your point, since info here indicates the surname Martin is 17th most common in the U.S., and 4th most common in Canada. Raindrops, snowflakes, and grains of sand, and coincidences related to making heads or tails of the details related to the Kennedy and Oswald murders are even more numerous than Martins, living and dead.

Are you emphasizing that it is worth our while to research Martins not yet named as persons of interests, or that it is futile to do so? I speak as someone who has had some luck in this area,

Vogel, Lois B. of Richfield/Mpls. Born April 11, 1931, passed away Oct. 7, 2006 at the age of 75. (Lois was named in the Jack W. Martin's April, 2002 obituary) but I still require a narrow structure to frame my searches.

Consider that I am probably as receptive to researching Martins as anyone, but I still need much convincing to make it a priority.

I didn't think I was trying to make a point, my post you are analyzing contained Martin obit's who were either CIA or had a ONI background, during the Kennedy era....nothing more and nothing less....

Seems rather cut and dried to me....

Maybe it seems like a waste of time to you, but I like knowing who some of these persons were, it certainly isn't old news too me, irrelevant? I guess that argument can be made....

[Guest Tom Scully]

No, I think it is far from a waste of time, the results you present are interesting and add to the overall knowledgbase. If I needed clarification, maybe others do. I am reacting from my own apprehension. For example, if you felt it was important enough to ask me to team with you in researching the genealogy of a Smith or a Martin, I would dive into it. I took the leads you provided for the Bogles and we got better information than I anticipated, going in.

I'm always too pessimistic and I assume others have ploughed the ground and there is nothing left to turn up. You are willing to till new pastures. Maybe it is because I've spent so much time with the same brick walls in genealogical research that I am afraid every new subject I search will become an unproductive trap.

I need some structure to even get going. Two big challenges have been Stuart L. Reed and Jack W. Martin. Those searches turned out far better than I anticipated, but I could push both because I found that Reed left NOLA in late Nov., 1963 on a boat bound for Panama, and Martin's parents were Ben and Thelma and he had a brother who died young. I get so frustrated when an effort turns out as fruitless as the research about the woman who sold the Neely St. house to Waldo George.

I hope I do not require a finite set of subjects in this research, to avoid feeling overwhelmed. I envy your ability to not be intimidated by the vastness of the things you delve into. I'm sorry if the tone in my last post seemed critical.

[Robert Howard]

No, I think it is far from a waste of time, the results you present are interesting and add to the overall knowledgbase. If I needed clarification, maybe others do. I am reacting from my own apprehension.

Glad you feel that way, I have my own apprehension about the genealogical aspects of JFK research

for a couple of reasons. The same ones you indicated as well as the fact that I really don't "enjoy"

doing it because my personal family researh, involves the surname Smith, poor ones at that.

I spent years before joining the Forum, and getting info was a nightmare.

For example, if you felt it was important enough to ask me to team with you in researching the genealogy of a Smith or a Martin, I would dive into it. I took the leads you provided for the Bogles and we got better information than I anticipated, going in.

I hesitate to ask for anyone's help regarding specific persons, because I am not so presumptuous as to

have any type of "follow my research egotism." Unless it is of an urgent type of situation.

I'm always too pessimistic and I assume others have ploughed the ground and there is nothing left to turn up. You are willing to till new pastures. Maybe it is because I've spent so much time with the same brick walls in genealogical research that I am afraid every new subject I search will become an unproductive trap.

I understand this more than you will ever know

I need some structure to even get going. Two big challenges have been Stuart L. Reed and Jack W. Martin. Those searches turned out far better than I anticipated, but I could push both because I found that Reed left NOLA in late Nov., 1963 on a boat bound for Panama, and Martin's parents were Ben and Thelma and he had a brother who died young. I get so frustrated when an effort turns out as fruitless as the research about the woman who sold the Neely St. house to Waldo George.

This is a really key area, and presents a area of uncertainty, because one cannot anticipate whether there are genealogical connections between persons until one discovers there are. So choosing which one are worth delving into are critical.

I hope I do not require a finite set of subjects in this research, to avoid feeling overwhelmed. I envy your ability to not be intimidated by the vastness of the things you delve into. I'm sorry if the tone in my last post seemed critical.

No blood no foul, I would rather face sincere criticism, rather than being mocked by the "Oswald did it," haranguers, because I believe the JFK assassination was the conspiracy I believe it has been proven to be. You presence here on the Forum has really been a good thing, and I may not agree with every perception you have but I do have an incredible appreciation for the things you have accomplished.

Addendum: I cannot help but feel this obit may provide some type of linkage; It should also be pointed out that just because the persons are listed here does not in any way cast aspersions on the persons, character in any way shape or form; but is strictly for informational purposes.

Ethel B. "Bunnie" Martin(1916 - 2012)

Martin, Ethel B. "Bunnie" Ethel Martin, known to all as Bunnie, of Los Angeles, California and formerly of Dallas and Rockwall, Texas, died of respiratory failure January 9, 2012 at Solheim Lutheran Home in Los Angeles. She was 95. Born November 14, 1916 in Mineral Wells, Texas, she was the daughter of The Rev. Fred L. Chunn and Eva Mae (nee Chamberlain) Chunn. She was one of seven sisters and a brother. She married and settled in Nashville Tennessee, where her son Kenneth was born in 1944. Later the family lived in Shreveport, LA before moving to Dallas. In Dallas Bunnie worked as a sales associate and later as a buyer as Tiche-Goettinger's department store, Volk Bros. department store, and later as a sales representative for Moore-DeGrazier Jewelry Co. until her retirement in 1985. She then moved to Rockwall Texas, where she lived near Lake Ray Hubbard. She moved to Los Angeles in 2003 and became a resident of Solheim Lutheran Home until her death. She was active in Stevens Park Christian Church in Dallas, and participated in the local Meal on Wheels program. She enjoyed vacations to Hawaii, Alaska, the Caribbean and Britain. She is survived by loved ones sister Helen Gilmore of Dallas, sister-in-law Norma Chunn of Rockwall, son Kenneth Martin and caregiver Leonard Kohout of Los Angeles, as well as many nieces and nephews and their children. Services will be at Laurel Land Funeral Home in Dallas TX on Saturday, January 21, at 10 AM, with The Rev. Ron Williams presiding. A visitation and viewing will precede the service at 9 AM; burial will follow the service. In lieu of flowers, memorials may be made to Solheim Lutheran Home, 2236 Merton Ave., Los Angeles, CA 90041.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=ethel-b-martin-bunnie&pid=155542019

Edited January 22, 2012 by Robert Howard

[Paul Trejo]

Schoener makes no mention of the film showing anything to do with General Walker.

You're right, Stephen. I sent a follow-up email to Schoener for more clarification about the Film itself, which is of primary interest.

--Paul

Here's Dr. Schoener's reply:

Dear Dr. Schoener,

Thanks for the detailed response which I will share with the Forum. One further question, to be certain we're talking of the same film: it begins by showing a view from an airplane to Dallas, to visit General Walker, and shows the bullet holes in General Walker's house, correct? Then it cuts to a park in New Orleans, and a walk to Canal Street where Oswald is fighting with Bringuier, correct?

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From: Gary Schoener

Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 1:39 PM

To: Paul Trejo

Subject: Re: Seeking the 1968 companion of Harold Weisberg...

Yes, it is the same film. John believed it had been edited, but was not 100% sure. He hadn't looked at it after he got it back from the FBI until he showed it to us. I have a copy of it somewhere, and I also have the printout of the frames. Harold and I both believed that LHO had a "handler" present and we think he is on the film and that he gestured to him. We did show it to different people down there but couldn't get an ID from what was a very fuzzy image.

Gary

[Paul Trejo]

Team, I asked Dr. Schoener for further clarification, and he replied:

Dr. Schoener,

I'd wondered if this was the Jack Martin that worked for Guy Banister, but clearly that can't be true given the evidence you shared. Yet this teenage Jack Martin was also a Minuteman, and General Walker was a leading member of the Minutemen. How did this teenage Jack Martin come to General Walker's home for a visit?

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

From: Gary Schoener

Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 4:04 PM

To: Paul Trejo

Subject: Re: Seeking the 1968 companion of Harold Weisberg...

I don't know if I have any notes on this matter. Our John Martin is definitely not the guy who worked for Bannister. "Our" John Martin did not identify any connections with the case -- even the LHO thing he did not realize until after the assassination story came out. We did not find any documents relating to him and I wrote, at the time, to Robt. H. Bammer, the archivist of the US (who is a Minnesotan, by the way), and he indicated that there were no documents pertaining to him.

I wish it was not such a common name. I'd love to locate him again.

Yes, John Martin claimed to have been a member of both the John Birch Society and the Minutemen in Minnesota. I simply cannot remember what he told us about the footage regarding the Walker house photo.

Gary

[Paul Trejo]

No, I think it is far from a waste of time, the results you present are interesting and add to the overall knowledgbase. If I needed clarification, maybe others do....

In summary of this thread so far, I've learned a lot and I'm very grateful. I now know with certainty that the Jack Martin Film was not the product of Jack S. Martin Sr. who worked for Guy Banister.

I learned that John Martin was very young, perhaps 23 (about the same age as Oswald) when he made this sort film showing the bullet holes in the Dallas house of General Edwin Walker made in the Spring of 1963, and then the arrest of Oswald in New Orleans in the Summer of 1963.

But that didn't end my suspicions that the Jack Martin Film was part of a right-wing plot supervised by General Edwin A. Walker. On the contrary, it makes me suspect General Walker even more because:

(1) As Dr. Schoener showed, the young John Martin was a member of the Minutemen sharpshooters organization, as well as the John Birch Society, both of which held General Walker as a long-time officer.

(2) If Guy Banister's employee, Jack Martin, had been the author of the film, I would have attributed more supervision to Guy Banister, and less to Edwin Walker.

(3) Since John Martin was a young devotee or follower of General Walker, I now attribute more supervision to General Walker.

My theory speculates that General Edwin A. Walker chose to ask a young man whom he trusted to make a film that visually connects the April Crime against General Walker with the 'communist' Lee Harvey Oswald.

A 23-year old John Martin, loyal follower of the JBS and the Minutemen (and who knows what other connections to General Walker), agreed to fly to Dallas to film General Walker's house using half of a home-movie film. This was intended to look like a simple tourist film.

Then, Martin agreed to fly to New Orleans and, again posing as a tourist, discover the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald and Carlos Bringuier. This would complete the visual connection.

Now, if (and only if) my theory is correct, this means that General Walker had prior knowledge that the arrest would take place. This agrees with Jim Garrison's conclusion that Carlos Bringuier, working with CIA and FBI elements, staged this event with the help of Guy Banister and his team. Guy Banister was also an officer in the Minutemen organization.

The filming of a communist passing out leaflets is unheard of, actually. Any interest in Oswald passing out FPCC leaflets was almost certainly a CIA and FBI framing operation. Carlos Bringuier was CIA related - and so was Oswald. Oswald probably believed that everybody involved was helping him forge 'communist' streed credibility so that he could take this information to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico for an easy entry to Cuba, so he could kill Castro for a huge cash award (and fame, and perhaps a seat in Congress in a few years).

Instead, the entire scheme was working in favor of General Edwin A. Walker, who was rubbing his hands together because his 'patsy' was being deep fried. His motive was that he believed that Oswald was his April shooter. He probably heard this from the FBI a few days after the shooting, because George De Mohrenschildt told his friends, Mr. and Mrs. Voshinin, who immediately told the FBI.

General Walker lied to the Warren Commission when he told them that he never knew Oswald was his April shooter until Marina announced it to the FBI in December, 1963. That is the essence of his role in the cover-up.

John Martin was following General Walker's orders to make this politically motived 'home movie'. As a loyal member of the Minutemen and the John Birch Society - he was glad to do it. He probably had no idea that Walker had longer designs on Lee Harvey Oswald.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited January 27, 2012 by Paul Trejo

[John Dolva]

Is what Oswald wrote about the Minutemen properly dealt with and not worthy of consideration? Was Walker really shot at? Wasn't it a level easy shot and therefore what was shot was the window frame. Sure it was in Walkers direction. Hardly an expert sharpshooters effort. Or was it?

[William Kelly]

No, I think it is far from a waste of time, the results you present are interesting and add to the overall knowledgbase. If I needed clarification, maybe others do....

In summary of this thread so far, I've learned a lot and I'm very grateful. I now know with certainty that the Jack Martin Film was not the product of Jack S. Martin Sr. who worked for Guy Banister.

I learned that John Martin was very young, perhaps 23 (about the same age as Oswald) when he made this sort film showing the bullet holes in the Dallas house of General Edwin Walker made in the Spring of 1963, and then the arrest of Oswald in New Orleans in the Summer of 1963.

But that didn't end my suspicions that the Jack Martin Film was part of a right-wing plot supervised by General Edwin A. Walker. On the contrary, it makes me suspect General Walker even more because:

(1) As Dr. Schoener showed, the young John Martin was a member of the Minutemen sharpshooters organization, as well as the John Birch Society, both of which held General Walker as a long-time officer.

(2) If Guy Banister's employee, Jack Martin, had been the author of the film, I would have attributed more supervision to Guy Banister, and less to Edwin Walker.

(3) Since John Martin was a young devotee or follower of General Walker, I now attribute more supervision to General Walker.

My theory speculates that General Edwin A. Walker chose to ask a young man whom he trusted to make a film that visually connects the April Crime against General Walker with the 'communist' Lee Harvey Oswald.

A 23-year old John Martin, loyal follower of the JBS and the Minutemen (and who knows what other connections to General Walker), agreed to fly to Dallas to film General Walker's house using half of a home-movie film. This was intended to look like a simple tourist film.

Then, Martin agreed to fly to New Orleans and, again posing as a tourist, discover the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald and Carlos Bringuier. This would complete the visual connection.

Now, if (and only if) my theory is correct, this means that General Walker had prior knowledge that the arrest would take place. This agrees with Jim Garrison's conclusion that Carlos Bringuier, working with CIA and FBI elements, staged this event with the help of Guy Banister and his team. Guy Banister was also an officer in the Minutemen organization.

The filming of a communist passing out leaflets is unheard of, actually. Any interest in Oswald passing out FPCC leaflets was almost certainly a CIA and FBI framing operation. Carlos Bringuier was CIA related - and so was Oswald. Oswald probably believed that everybody involved was helping him forge 'communist' streed credibility so that he could take this information to the Cuban Embassy in Mexico for an easy entry to Cuba, so he could kill Castro for a huge cash award (and fame, and perhaps a seat in Congress in a few years).

Instead, the entire scheme was working in favor of General Edwin A. Walker, who was rubbing his hands together because his 'patsy' was being deep fried. His motive was that he believed that Oswald was his April shooter. He probably heard this from the FBI a few days after the shooting, because George De Mohrenschildt told his friends, Mr. and Mrs. Voshinin, who immediately told the FBI.

General Walker lied to the Warren Commission when he told them that he never knew Oswald was his April shooter until Marina announced it to the FBI in December, 1963. That is the essence of his role in the cover-up.

John Martin was following General Walker's orders to make this politically motived 'home movie'. As a loyal member of the Minutemen and the John Birch Society - he was glad to do it. He probably had no idea that Walker had longer designs on Lee Harvey Oswald.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

If Gen. Walker had longer designs on LHO, how did he know of him?

BK

JFKcountercoup

Center/Study of Political Assassinations

[Paul Trejo]

If Gen. Walker had longer designs on LHO, how did he know of him?

BK

Good question, Bill. In my opinion, living in Dallas, which was predominantly right-wing in its politics, and being personally involved in every dominant right-wing organization in Dallas, including the John Birch Society, the National Indignation Committee, the Citizen's Council, the Minutemen, the Billy James Hargis Christian Crusade, and the H.L. Hunt Lifeline radio show, he had his ear close to the ground whenever anything occurred with the words, 'communist' or 'USSR' appeared in a sentence.

He was aware that Lee Harvey Oswald was in Dallas - and he blamed the Kennedy's for their lax security. When somebody shot at him at about 9pm on April 10, 1963, he called the police, and the investigating officer told him that since one of the shots was so close to his head, that it could not have been a 'warning' shot. Such a 'warning' shot had a 50/50 change of killing him, just as a 'kill' shot had a 50/50 chance of missing him. So, the officer concluded, it was an attempted assassination.

According to the Warren Commission, George DeMohrenschildt strongly suspected Oswald of the shooting after visiting the Oswalds late Saturday night, before Easter Sunday. As a ruse they brought baby June a toy bunny. Jeanne DeMohrenschildt searched their small apartment under the ruse of admiring it, and spotted a rifle with a scope on it. George DeMohrenschildt made a joke about shooting at General Walker, and both Lee and Marina froze, with a stunned look on their faces. Then George laughed out loud, and everybody laughed, and the DeMohrenschildts soon left, never to see the Oswald's again. The next day George DeMohrenschildt told Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin what he suspected; something they themselves already suspected. Mrs. Voshinin immediately called the FBI.

Now, I believe it is normal protocol to inform a victim of an attempted killing about any suspects they learn about in their investigations. So I believe that the FBI told General Walker, on or about April 15, 1963, that Oswald was a suspect in this shooting.

As a committed righist, General Walker would have deduced that Oswald, a known communist, under the lax security of the Kennedy's, represented a communist plot to kill him. Only six months prior to this, Robert Kennedy ordered the psychiatric incarceration of General Walker. Walker would put nothing bizarre past the Kennedys.

Anyway, Bill, that's how and when General Walker found out - according to reason. Now, until the end of his days he wrote articles blaming Robert Kennedy for this shooting, and believed that Robert Kennedy put Oswald up to the shooting. This is in print in multiple places.

Everything would be normal, in my opinion, except that for some odd reason General Edwin Walker chose to lie to the Warren Commission about this. When asked point blank about the time he learned about Oswald being his April shooter, Walker said he never heard about it until Marina announced it to the FBI in December!

He didn't have to lie - he could have told the truth. But Walker chose to lie to the Warren Commission. This is our big break, in my opinion.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

[William Kelly]

If Gen. Walker had longer designs on LHO, how did he know of him?

BK

Good question, Bill. In my opinion, living in Dallas, which was predominantly right-wing in its politics, and being personally involved in every dominant right-wing organization in Dallas, including the John Birch Society, the National Indignation Committee, the Citizen's Council, the Minutemen, the Billy James Hargis Christian Crusade, and the H.L. Hunt Lifeline radio show, he had his ear close to the ground whenever anything occurred with the words, 'communist' or 'USSR' appeared in a sentence.

He was aware that Lee Harvey Oswald was in Dallas - and he blamed the Kennedy's for their lax security. When somebody shot at him at about 9pm on April 10, 1963, he called the police, and the investigating officer told him that since one of the shots was so close to his head, that it could not have been a 'warning' shot. Such a 'warning' shot had a 50/50 change of killing him, just as a 'kill' shot had a 50/50 chance of missing him. So, the officer concluded, it was an attempted assassination.

According to the Warren Commission, George DeMohrenschildt strongly suspected Oswald of the shooting after visiting the Oswalds late Saturday night, before Easter Sunday. As a ruse they brought baby June a toy bunny. Jeanne DeMohrenschildt searched their small apartment under the ruse of admiring it, and spotted a rifle with a scope on it. George DeMohrenschildt made a joke about shooting at General Walker, and both Lee and Marina froze, with a stunned look on their faces. Then George laughed out loud, and everybody laughed, and the DeMohrenschildts soon left, never to see the Oswald's again. The next day George DeMohrenschildt told Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin what he suspected; something they themselves already suspected. Mrs. Voshinin immediately called the FBI.

Now, I believe it is normal protocol to inform a victim of an attempted killing about any suspects they learn about in their investigations. So I believe that the FBI told General Walker, on or about April 15, 1963, that Oswald was a suspect in this shooting.

As a committed righist, General Walker would have deduced that Oswald, a known communist, under the lax security of the Kennedy's, represented a communist plot to kill him. Only six months prior to this, Robert Kennedy ordered the psychiatric incarceration of General Walker. Walker would put nothing bizarre past the Kennedys.

Anyway, Bill, that's how and when General Walker found out - according to reason. Now, until the end of his days he wrote articles blaming Robert Kennedy for this shooting, and believed that Robert Kennedy put Oswald up to the shooting. This is in print in multiple places.

Everything would be normal, in my opinion, except that for some odd reason General Edwin Walker chose to lie to the Warren Commission about this. When asked point blank about the time he learned about Oswald being his April shooter, Walker said he never heard about it until Marina announced it to the FBI in December!

He didn't have to lie - he could have told the truth. But Walker chose to lie to the Warren Commission. This is our big break, in my opinion.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo, MA

I believe that DeMohrenschildt told others in the White Russian Community of his suspicion of Oswald taking the pot shot a Walker, but Hosty, the FBI agent investigating the case, did not hear that Oswald was a suspect because he already had Oswald as a potential national security case - in keeping tabs on him upon his return from USSR - What does Hosty say about this?

Within days of the assassination the director of psychology at the Springfield (MO) mental hospital where Walker was incarcerated and tested, began questioning the other patients there who had threatened the life of the president. There were about a dozen, and in reviewing their backgrounds, most of them, if not all of them, were military or ex-military, and certifiably crazy.

Both DeMohrenschildt and Volkmar Schmidt talked with Oswald about Walker and suggested that he be assassinated, specifically mentioning the July 1944 Valkyrie Plot to kill Hitler, and saying how it wold have changed history if it had succeeded. They did this at the same time the CIA - Cuban Desk (under Des FitzGerald) were trying to adapt the Valkyrie plan to be used against Castro (per Sept. 24, 1963 briefing to JCS). Is that just a coincidence? Or is their a direct line from the chair of the JCS at that time - LeMay-to-Krulak-DesFitz-CIA-JMWAVE-DeMohrenschildt-Schmidt-Oswald?

And what about the Brothers Schmidt? No relation to Volkmar, but they served under Walker in Germany, returned to USA, went to Dallas to take over conservative organizations, got job with Walker and were involved in the shooting with Oswald? There's got to be more there somewhere.

If Walker made any statement about Oswald BEFORE the assassination, I haven't seen evidence of it - and afterwards we hear from the German newspaper and Walker's claim that Oswald was arrested and freed by RFK, and then Marina cherps in, and even Dr./Col. Jose Rivera (USAR) in DC knows Oswald shot at Walker, but we only hear about this stuff AFTER the assassination.

Nor do I believe that Walker had the where with all to concoct the Dealey Plaza Operation, frame Oswald, have him killed and cover-up anything after the fact. Walker's a player, a mark, just like Demohrenschildt, and they played their roles and then got off the stage.

BK