Lee at the theatre

[Michael Clark]

This thread is helped by this thread: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/1810-oswalds-pistol/

 

[Michael Clark]

I might have missed it, but I remember someone testifying or being stated to claim that some fellow was arrested and removed from the theater by a by the back ally door.? 

 

[Steve Thomas]

FBI Agent Bob Barrett flat out called McDonald a xxxx about what had transpired in the theater. Oh, but it was done in the nicest beureacratese and legalese.

"I could not account for any statements made or not made by Officer McDonald."

 

This is from Barrett's summary of his testimony before the Senate Select Committee in December of 1975.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9914#relPageId=21&tab=page

page 21.

 

On a side note, I am shocked by the very idea, or even the suggestion that in the 1960's, the FBI would tap someone's telephone; let alone Marina Oswald's.

Barrett was asked if her phone was tapped after the assassination. Barrett refused to answer without approval and authority from the Bureau, because it would reveal a "sensitive technique."

"When your testimony is over, get your ass up here." After he got back to the office, Supervisor Cregar told Barrett it was OK to let the Committee know that Marina's phone had been tapped, but that he (Barrett) had not been involved.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9914#relPageId=25&tab=page

pages 25 and 28.

 

I don't believe those transcripts will ever see the light of day.

 

Look at the last paragraph on page 28. I've never heard of this technique of recording testimony. It's a new one on me.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9914#relPageId=28&tab=page

Steve Thomas

[David Andrews]

18 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

I might have missed it, but I remember someone testifying or being stated to claim that some fellow was arrested and removed from the theater by a by the back ally door.? 

 

Look for the thread on DPD Westbrook's involvement in the Tippit shooting and theater arrest for the most recent on that.

Edited March 2, 2017 by David Andrews

[Michael Clark]

1 minute ago, David Andrews said:

Look for the thread on DPD Westbrook's involvement in the Tippit shooting and theater arrest for the most recent on that.

Thank you David. I will look. I remember the quote from someone: "then who the hell did I see being taken out the back door?"; or something like that.

Cheers,

Michael

[Jim Hargrove]

From the November 22, 1963 page on HarveyandLee.net:

 

 See the Dallas Police Homicide Report for "Tippit, JD," which indicates Oswald was arrested in the balcony.

 

 See L.D. Stringfellow's report, which indicates Oswald was arrested in the balcony.
 

Something happened in the 2nd floor balcony. The author speculates that LEE Oswald may have been momentarily arrested or detained in the balcony of the theater. Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson hurried up the stairs to the balcony and was "reasonably satisfied in his own mind" that he met Lee Harvey Oswald com­ing down the front stairs. Lt. Cunningham and Detective J.B. Toney encountered the young man and began to question him. As Deputy Sheriff Buddy Walthers rushed up the stairs to the balcony, he saw the officers as they were questioning the young man. 

Sgt. Jerry Hill and Det. Paul Bentley were checking fire escapes in the balcony when Hill opened the exit door to the fire escape. Sgt. Stringer, standing in the alley below, heard someone inside the theater yell "We got him." The police officer inside the theater may have thought the man on the staircase, being questioned by Lieutenant Cunningham and Toney, was under ar­rest, which caused him to shout "we got him." This young man may have been wearing a white t-shirt and dark pants, which matched the description of the suspect as reported by the police dispatcher. But an unknown person, who identified himself as the "manager on duty," said the young man had been in the theater since 12:05 PM. The unidentified "manager on duty" may have been an accomplice who provided Oswald with a much needed alibi, as theater manager John Callaghan left the theater before the police arrived (Julia Postal, Butch Burroughs, and the projectionist were the only employees left in the theater). The young man was released. Sgt. Stringer, standing below in the alley, asked Hill if the suspect had been arrested. Hill looked back into the balcony area and said, "No, we haven't got him." 

Something happened in the 2nd floor balcony that caused a police officer to yell, "We got him." Something caused veteran police officers to write reports that Lee Harvey Oswald was arrested in the balcony. Something happened in the 2nd floor balcony.

LEE OSWALD IS TAKEN OUT THE BACK OF THE THEATER

After HARVEY Oswald was arrested and taken out the front of the theater, LEE Oswald was escorted out the back of the theater. There is no police report, no record of arrest, nor any mention of a person taken out the rear of the theater. Capt. Westbrook saw LEE Oswald shoot officer Tippit at 10th & Patton. Capt. Westbrook produced a 2nd Oswald wallet at 10th & Patton. Capt. Westbrook either planted or knew exactly where to find the suspect's jacket. Capt. Westbrook was the first police officer to arrive at the theater. Capt. Westbrook told his officers to cover (HARVEY) Oswalds face and get him out of here. Capt. Westbrook ordered police to compile a list of the names and addresses of theater patrons, a list that soon disappeared. Capt. Westbrook was the highest ranking officer at the Texas Theater, and it was likely that Capt. Westbrook escorted LEE Oswald out the rear of the theater. During author James Douglas's 2007 interview with theater concessionaire Butch Burroughs,  Burroughs said that he saw two different people arrested in the Texas Theater.  He saw (Harvey) Oswald's arrest and then, "three or four minutes later," watched as the Dallas police arrested "an Oswald lookalike."  Burroughs added that the second man arrested "looked almost like Oswald, like he was his brother or something."  Apparently, Butch Burroughs saw both Harvey and Lee at the Texas Theater.

Bernard Haire, owner of a hobby shop two doors east of the theater, saw the police escort a young man who he thought was LEE Oswald out the rear of the theater. Perhaps the young man in the balcony, who was identified by Deputy Sheriff Bill Courson as LEE Oswald, was this man. For the next 25 years Mr. Haire thought he had seen the arrest of Oswald. If Bernard Haire and Butch Burroughs observed "LEE" Oswald taken out the back of the theater then who, if not Captain Westbrook, was responsible for escorting him out of the back of the theater? After all, it was likely Capt. Westbrook who watched his co-conspirator, LEE Oswald, murder Tippit at 10th Patton only a half hour earlier. After he was taken out the rear of the theater, someone (perhaps Croy) then drove LEE Oswald to a two-tone blue 1957 Plymouth that was parked nearby. Croy told the Warren Commission that after leaving 10th & Patton he drove by the Texas Theater (how convenient).

Capt. Westbrook returned to his office at police headquarters shortly after 2:00 PM. A few minutes later, before Capt. Fritz began to interrogate Oswald (circa 2:20 PM), someone told him that Oswald lived on N. Beckley. Who in the police department, other than Capt. Westbrook  (and Tippit, who was dead; and Croy, who was allegedly with his estranged wife), knew about HARVEY and LEE? Who knew HARVEY Oswald's address on N. Beckley at 2:00 PM and had immediate access to Capt. Fritz?  Capt. Westbrook.

Around 2:15 PM Sgt. Hill, assigned to the personnel office, brought the .38 revolver taken from HARVEY Oswald to Westbrook's office. The gun should have been taken immediately to Homicide and Robbery, but Hill brought the gun to the personnel office. Why? The murder weapon remained in Capt. Westbrook's personnel office for the next hour. The author believes that Capt. Westbrook secretly switched the revolver taken from HARVEY Oswald at the theater with the revolver used to murder Tippit (given to Westbrook by LEE Oswald). The .38 revolver used to murder Tippit was then initialed by police officers in Westbrook's office, entered into evidence, and turned over to the FBI later that evening. The .38 revolver, taken from HARVEY Oswald, and brought to Westbrook's office by Sgt. Hill, disappeared and was never seen again--thanks to Capt. Westbrook.

Edited March 2, 2017 by Jim Hargrove

[Steve Thomas]

3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

FBI Agent Bob Barrett flat out called McDonald a xxxx about what had transpired in the theater. Oh, but it was done in the nicest beureacratese and legalese.

"I could not account for any statements made or not made by Officer McDonald."

 

This is from Barrett's summary of his testimony before the Senate Select Committee in December of 1975.

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=9914#relPageId=21&tab=page

page 21.

Steve Thomas

I guess certain words aren't permitted by the forum's software. Which is understandable.

 

I forgot to mention that the police had no intention of shooting Oswald in the theater - for resisting arrest or otherwise.

 

The intent was to draw and quarter him.

 

"I also recalled that Oswald was seized by two or three officers on his left and two or three officers on his right and placed under control... I recalled observing the officers on one side going in the opposite direction from the officers on the other side of Oswald for just a brief moment."

Bob Barrett p. 21.

 

So, I hope that settles that argument.

 

Here's a copy of Barrett's 11/22/63 FD-302 that's referred to in his 1975 Senate Committee testimony.:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=95614&search="Robert_Barrett"+FD-302+Westbrook#relPageId=94&tab=page

 

It's a shame he didn't mention the wallet.

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

[Michael Clark]

 

51 minutes ago, David Andrews said:

Look for the thread on DPD Westbrook's involvement in the Tippit shooting and theater arrest for the most recent on that.

This may be the thread to which you refer.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?/topic/22875-two-dallas-cops-were-involved-in-the-pre-arranged-murder-of-tippit/&page=1

 

[Steve Thomas]

On 12/26/2005 at 3:48 PM, J. Raymond Carroll said:

In case anyone missed it, Attached below is Steve Thomas's piece on this subject which first appeared on Lancer.

"Here's a 2003 piece I wrote in the Lancer Forum called, "The Snap That Never Was."

I have always taken it on faith that during his arrest at the Texas Theater, Lee Harvey Oswald took out his gun and attempted to shoot arresting Officer M.N. McDonald. This is based on accounts of an audible "snap" that was heard. Later, we read accounts that the only reason Oswald's attempted murder of McDonald didn't succeed because of a bent primer or a "misfire"

I would like to contend that perhaps the "snap" that was heard was either the sound of something else, or was accidentally caused by the officers seeing the gun and immediately reacting to take it away from Oswald and that Oswald did not attempt to shoot Officer McDonald.

 

Steve Thomas"

I was just reading a piece in the 1983 issue of Lobster No. 2 magazine.

 

“The Assassination of John Kennedy: An Alternative Hypothesis”, by Robin Ramsey. Lobster No. 2, 1983.

https://issuu.com/bristlekrs/docs/lobster_2 page 6.

 

It is Ramsey's conclusion that Oswald was supposed to have been killed in the theater resisting arrest, and the snap that was heard came from someone else's gun.

 

A gun was heard to misfire in the theater, but an FBI weapons expert “found nothing to indicate that this, (Oswald's) weapon's firing pin had struck the primer of any of these cartridges.” as quoted from Robert Anson, They Killed the President, (NY, 1975) pp. 354-5.

 

I have to admit, I never thought of this.

 

I'd like to see that FBI Report.

 

Steve Thomas

[Ray Mitcham]

Steve, that would account for the excessive number of DPD cars and personnel who allegedly turned up to catch a guy who had bunked into the Theater without buying a  ticket.