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"Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket"


Ed LeDoux

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Jimmy Burt, across the street from the construction site where W.L Smith was working, watched the same man as he came from the direction of the Town and Country Cafe and continued walking west on 10th. Burt described him as a white male, approximately 5'8", wearing a light colored short jacket (interview of Burt by SA Christianson and Acklin 12/16/63). Burt watched as the man passed them and continued walking west toward Patton. As the man approached Tippit's patrol car, Tippit rolled down his passenger side car window and spoke to this man.

William Arthur Smith was with Burt at the time and described the same man seen by he and Burt as "a white male, about 5'7" to 5'8", 20 to 25 years of age, 150-160, a white shirt, light BROWN jacket and dark pants (interview of Smith by SA Ward and Basham 12/13/63). Both Burt and Smith watched this unknown man as he walked toward Patton, approached the squad car, spoke with Tippit, and then shot him. (emphasis mine)

Having recent cause to be looking at this, a closer examination to the referenced documents shows the above to not be exactly so.

The FBI's first interview in conjunction with this account was with Smith on 12/13/63. There is no indication in the report of the interview how it came to pass that they had learned of Smith having any knowledge of the Tippit shooting since Smith, who had been on probation at the time, did not give his name to any officials because he "thought he might get in trouble with the police" ... for giving them information about a cop-killer!

[sarcasm off.]

Smith lived at 328½ East 8th Street, about two blocks from where Tippit was killed. He said that he saw a white male, whom he didn't think resembled Oswald (but he was also "too far away" to positively identify anyone, he'd said), shoot a policeman, then walk toward Patton and turn on it toward Jefferson Boulevard.

Smith said that he'd seen the shooter "walk up to the police car and as the officer started to emerge he heard four or five shots," whereupon the shooter "continued along 10th Street and turned left on Patton, heading towards Jefferson." There's a clear implication here that the shooter must've been already moving westward in order to "continue" in that direction and "turn left ... towards Jefferson."

Smith said that he'd "immediately went up to talk to Mrs. MARKHAM, a neighbor of his that lives at 328½ East 9th Street," that is, one street over from, about even with his home, and on the same side of the street. (We learn from Smith's WC testimony that he also hung around with Markham's son, James.)

Despite living just two blocks away from the murder scene, Smith told the agents that "his reason for being in the area was that he was visiting a friend of his, one JIMMY BURT, who was living with his father-in-law, DAVID SCHAFFER at 505 East 10th Street." Smith "thought JIMMY might have seen the shooting also but he was not certain" since Smith believed he had arrived at Burt's house before Burt did.

(For some reason, the FBI agents also noted that Smith "advised that he did not have any relatives in New Mexico...." The New Mexico connection was not explained.)

The next day, the FBI interviewed Ross Burt, Jimmy's father, at Jimmy's father-in-law's home at 505 East 10th Street, Apartment 8. Burt Senior advised that Jimmy had been living at the Schaffer residence there for the past three months, apparently with his wife (Schaffer's daughter) and their baby, but was by December 14 living in Belmont, Louisiana. Jimmy had apparently told his father that he'd been with Smith when the Tippit murder took place.

Agents interviewed Jimmy Burt the next day in Belmont. He affirmed that he'd been living at the Schaffer residence on 10th Street on November 22, but told a different and more detailed story from his friend Smith. According to Burt, he and Smith had been "sitting in his brother, BILLY BURT's house at the corner of 9th and Denver," a block east and another block north from where Tippit had been shot, "when they heard two gunshots."

They jumped up, ran outside and, as they ran toward Burt's car (parked facing south on Denver Street), heard four more gunshots. They got in the car, a 1952 two-toned Ford, and drove south on Denver to 10th, and then west on 10th toward the police car "parked at the curb in the middle of the block," facing east. Burt "later recognized him as being an officer who frequented that neighborhood" [emphasis added] and "was known by the name 'Friendly' to the residents of that area."

Burt parked his car in front of Tippit's patrol car on the same side of the street, facing it, at about the same time as the shooter reached the intersection with Patton Street, about "50 or 60 yards" from where Burt was. The man was wearing "a light colored short jacket," but he could offer no further description because of the distance.

Burt said he then ran to the corner and saw the man running into the alley way that runs between 10th and Jefferson, heading west. As he went toward the corner, he also noticed two women "going toward the officer who was lying on the street," possibly Helen Markam and one of the two Davis sisters-in-law (Virginia and Charlie), or the Davises. By the time he'd finished watching the gunman flee, a crowd had gathered, and he did not again "have a chance to view the slain officer." He "made no further observations" at the scene.

Of the two, Burt and Smith, only the latter testified before the Warren Commission. Smith said that he'd spent "the whole day," from "in the morning" until "in the evening," at Burt's house at 505 East 10th, and at the time of the shooting, he was "in the front yard" at 505, with Jimmy Burt. He - or they - heard shots, which was what first attracted them to what had happened down the street.

Smith also said in his testimony that he had not seen the man walking anywhere prior to the time he'd heard the shots, and specifically that he hadn't seen him walk in front of Burt's house.

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What, then, to make of all this? Neither apparently man said that they had seen the shooter walking westward along 10th, and neither of them gave any indication of having seen him prior to the time they heard the first shot(s), much less having seen the shooter "approach the squad car," Tippit "roll down his window" or talk to the man.

So where from was this story derived as it's been told for so long? It's what's in Rush to Judgment, but is an interview on Lane's film? If it came along well after the Report had been published and contradicts the reports made to the FBI and under oath (by Smith), can it be credited?

As an aside, I think it was John Armstrong (but I could be mistaken) who conjectured that it was these boys whom Aquila Clemmons had seen, or possibly the shooter and one of them. Thoughts?

Interesting, Duke. Some I was not familiar with. Have you checked the DPD roster for an OFFICER FRIENDLY

or anything phonetically similar?

Jack

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From what I have seen, most every account of William A Smith and Jimmy Burt says the same things. But apparently it seems to be wrong info, that has just been repeated from an initial source. I don't believe either Smith or Burt was wanting to get too onvolved, since Smith was on probabtion and Burt was AWOL.

However, I believe the confusion has to do with a different William Smith (William Lawrence Smith). He was a Bricklayer Mason Foreman, working at an Apartment Complex site, which was apparently across from where William A Smith and Jimmy Burt, were hanging out that day, at Burt's brothers place. At 1:00 PM William L Smith knocked off for lunch and walked to the Town and Country Cafe, two doors west of the 10th Street Barber Shop. While walking east to the cafe a man, who he later identified as Oswald, walked passed him heading west-toward 10th & Patton.

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Dixie

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... I believe the confusion has to do with a different William Smith (William Lawrence Smith). He was a Bricklayer Mason Foreman, working at an Apartment Complex site, which was apparently across from where William A Smith and Jimmy Burt, were hanging out that day, at Burt's brothers place. At 1:00 PM William L Smith knocked off for lunch and walked to the Town and Country Cafe, two doors west of the 10th Street Barber Shop. While walking east to the cafe a man, who he later identified as Oswald, walked passed him heading west-toward 10th & Patton.

Thanks, Dixie. Two William Smiths certainly can be confusing ... but I can't seem to find anything about any such person. I've checked Walt Brown's Global Index along with a couple others online; WC and HSCA indices; NARA; in With Malice, and naturally, on Google. As close as I come is a William L. Smith who was interviewed in connection with the HSCA MLK investigation.

Do you have any cites on this guy? You've included more info than what Ed LeDoux posted (which was only that "Jimmy Burt, across the street from the construction site where W.L. Smith was working, watched the same man as he came from the direction of the Town and Country Cafe and continued walking west on 10th"), and given that and his having "identified ... Oswald," I'd think this information must be available somewhere.

The map below (courtesy of Google) shows the entire area as it is today. If Jimmy Burt's brother Billy lived in a house on the corner of 9th and Denver, and if he was, in fact, across the street from where William L. was working in an apartment complex, from the looks of it, that would probably have had to have been the big empty concrete lot on the north side of 9th, east of Denver. Looking down onto 10th, however, there doesn't seem to be much of anywhere that a barber shop and/or cafe might've been, except possibly at the southwest corner of 10th and Marsalis (which is also where Donnie Benavides had gone and was returning from when he came upon the shooting).

Jimmy Burt lived with his father-in-law in the second house from the corner of 10th & Denver on the north side of the street; Mr. & Mrs. Frank Wright lived in the house next door, on the corner.

It's hard to determine exactly who was where and when. In his FBI interview, William A. said that he had arrived "at Jimmy's house" possibly a little ahead of Jimmy, so perhaps Jimmy hadn't seen the actual shooting, he speculated. He intimated that he meant that he'd been at 505 E 10th, but in reality only said that that's where Jimmy lived. Jimmy told the FBI that both he and Smith had gotten into his car after hearing the first shot, so it appears that they were together ... but where were they?

When Smith was deposed by Joe Ball, he said that he had been at Jimmy's house all day - from morning until evening - and that at the time Tippit was shot, he was "in the front yard [at] 505 E 10th," and that Jimmy Burt was with him. He was asked specifically if he had seen the shooter prior to hearing the shot, and he replied that he had not, and did not see him walking.

In fact, based on the FBI reports and his testimony, neither he nor Jimmy Burt said that they'd seen the shooter walking west on 10th. Dale Myers cites HSCA RIF 180-10091-10288, an interview with Al Chapman on February 7, 1968, as the source of this information; his 1997 interview with William Arthur Smith did not elicit that same information from Smith, he says (Burt apparently died in a car crash in 1983).

Bottom line, tho', is who is William L. Smith and where does all this information come from?

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Duke, I have not yet found the William Lawrence Smith interview. The only clues I have found is from Dale Myers and John Armstrong, as noted below. (FBI Files, Brookhart interview on 1/13/64)

IN addition, I am now thinking that both WA Smith and Burt gave conflicting reports at different times. (Interview of Burt by SA Christianson and Acklin 12/16/63)) In addition, Armstrong notes that LHO was still nearby his Boarding House (seen at the bustop by Earlene Roberts around 1:00)

The Barbershop was called the 10th Street Barbershop. The Barber claims he also saw that person walk by the shop, that WL Smith saw.

Armstrong also places that Town and Country Cafe at 604 E 10th Street. Smith and Burt were visiting at 505 E. 10th Street....or he was actually living there.

Dixie

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FBI interview of WILLIAM A. SMITH

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/smith_w.htm

WC Testimony of William Smith

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/smith.htm

FBI interview of JIMMY EARL BURT

(SA Christain & Ackler....12/1/63)

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/burt.htm

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Papers of Jim Garrison Box 2

http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/findi...son-papers.html

Interview of Jimmy Earl Burt by Al Chapman [Transcript; audiovisual material transferred to NWCS-Motion]

10th.Street.

Motion Picture, Sound, and Video Research Room in College Park, MD

http://www.archives.gov/research/formats/v...cture-room.html

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Dale Myers

INTRO FAQ PAGE

http://www.jdtippit.com/html/intro_faq.htm

In With Malice I offered the detailed accounts of Jimmy Burt, William A. Smith, Jack R. Tatum, Helen Markham, and William Scoggins as supportive of the theory that Oswald changed his direction of travel leading to the confrontation with Tippit. A sixth witness to Oswald's direction of travel, William Lawrence Smith, was discovered among FBI files after publication of my book.

William Lawrence Smith, a brick mason foreman working at an apartment complex one block east of the Tippit shooting scene, walked to lunch and passed a man he believed was Oswald heading west on Tenth. Jimmy Burt and William A. Smith were standing across the street from the apartment complex around the same time. Burt said that he saw Oswald walking west across the street. Smith couldn't confirm that Burt saw Oswald (Smith himself didn't see the man walking prior to the shooting), but wouldn't discount it either.

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John Armstrong

November 22, 1963

http://home.wi.rr.com/harveyandlee/November/November_22.htm

William Lawrence Smith was walking east toward the Town and Country Cafe (604 E 10th) a few minutes after 1:00 pm. Smith "felt sure that the man who walked by him going west on 10th St. was Lee Harvey Oswald" (interview of Smith by Brookhart 1/13/64). At this time, approximately 1:04 PM, "Harvey Oswald" was a mile away --- seen by housekeeper Earlene Roberts standing at the bus stop on the corner of Zang and Beckley.

Jimmy Burt, across the street from the construction site where W.L Smith was working, watched the same man as he came from the direction of the Town and Country Cafe and continued walking west on 10th. Burt described him as a white male, approximately 5'8", wearing a light colored short jacket (interview of Burt by SA Christianson and Acklin 12/16/63).

Burt watched as the man passed them and continued walking west toward Patton. As the man approached Tippit's patrol car, Tippit rolled down his passenger side car window and spoke to this man.

William Arthur Smith was with Burt at the time and described the same man seen by he and Burt as "a white male, about 5'7" to 5'8", 20 to 25 years of age, 150-160, a white shirt, light brown jacket and dark pants (interview of Smith by SA Ward and Basham 12/13/63). Both Burt and Smith watched this unknown man as he walked toward Patton, approached the squad car, spoke with Tippit, and then shot him.

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Duke, ... The Barbershop was called the 10th Street Barbershop. The Barber claims he also saw that person walk by the shop, that WL Smith saw. Armstrong also places that Town and Country Cafe at 604 E 10th Street. Smith and Burt were visiting at 505 E. 10th Street....or he was actually living there. ....

Unfortunately don't have the time right now to go through all that you'd said (but thank you for all your efforts!), but at least for now, here's what Google Maps is showing for the locations of the barbershop and cafe:

The odd numbers are on the south(ern) side of the street. This would presumably put the cafe in the black-roofed building at the far right of this image, or perhaps in the building to the east of it, which is not shown, IF the 600-block started at Marsalis; if it started at Lansing (which is the apparent alleyway that goes nort from where 10th makes its jog to go directly east), then it could also be in what appears to be perhaps a strip mall at the southwest corner of 10th and Marsalis.

Never having checked it out, I'm guessing that Benavides' parts store is the building at the northwest corner of 10th & Marsalis ...?

Anyway, an observation is that if the barbershop and/or cafe are or were located in the latter place, then anyone having been seen walking past them could have come from Marsalis, which is probably the route that JDT would have taken into central Oak Cliff (i.e., to Top Ten Records) from his last reported position at Lancaster and 8th (Lancaster does not run through all the way to Jeff; Marsalis is the next thoroughfare to do so - and enable JDT to approach from the west - after his passing that location.

If the barbershop and/or cafe were/are located east of Marsalis, this is not out of bounds, really, for someone to have been walking west from there toward Patton, although I can only think of a couple of reasons, in context, why someone would want to go that route. East of Marsalis, the next intersection is East Jefferson.

I will check with a friend, meanwhile, who has a 1963-ish Cole's City Directory to see what might've been located in that area, or if either of the two cited businesses existed at the time (actually, unbeknownst to most people, the 1963 City Directory would only have shown who was there in 1962, as it took - and as of 20 years ago, still took - a year to compile from on-site surveys).

As Myers said, however, it looks as if Burt's 1968 account of seeing a man walking westward has never been corroborated. Unfortunately, with him being dead and unless his interview is available in full (or if Armstrong's interviews with the others are), it's impossible to determine whether the guy that the folks at the cafe/barbershop say they saw was even dressed in the same way as Burt's suspect. Otherwise, all you've got is an average-looking "Joe" walking down the street with no reason to even pay attention to him, much less remember him.

After all: nobody knew anybody was going to shoot anyone beforehand, so there was no reason to pay attention. If you've ever sat waiting at a salon or diner, you may have seen a whole bunch of people walk by, but why would you notice any of them in particular?

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The odd numbers are on the south side of the street. This would presumably put the cafe in the black-roofed building at the far right of this image

Duke,

The even numbers are on the South side of the streets.

For example: 231 W Jefferson (Texas Theater) which is odd numbered is on the North side of Jefferson.

And yes that should put the cafe in the building next to (east of) the black roofed one in your image.

Here is "street view" looking south at 604 E. 10th:

Where were the "boys", Burt and Smith, when this happened...corner of 9th and Denver...right.

The construction site would need to be a brick building across from that...right.

Or was it a construction site across from the 10th street address??

Why did Smith say he didn't know if Burt had seen the shooting...?... Because he thought they arrived at 505 E. 10th at different times? But they left 9th and Denver in the same car....right.

Yeah that's it we were at Billy's :rolleyes:

So maybe Burt was at home, 505 E. 10th .....and Smith's story of seeing the person approach the police car and shoot when the officer got out....is that fabricated from talking to Markham? Hell they almost had the same address (328 1/2) why not the same story.

The stories don't mesh, at least with where they were when the shooting started, and also as it pertains to this thread, the color of the jacket.

That FBI interview with William Lawrence Smith would help sort some of this out.

Maybe he is the only witness who doesn't impeach himself....no wonder it's so hard to find!

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What, you think this is Denver where the mountains are always to the west, and thus we know which way is north and south? Mea culpa!

Otherwise, hard to imagine a thread wandering off-topic ...! ;)

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Ed,

"Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket"

The driver, Cecil McWatters, and passenger Roy Milton Jones said the man who

boarded the bus was wearing a jacket.

Mary Bledsoe describes Oswald's shirt, that is was undone, dirty, had a hole in the sleeve at the elbow. Why is Bledsoe the only one who notices this?

Because she didn't.

If the man was wearing a jacket, how could Bledsoe even see his elbow?

Steve Thomas

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What, you think this is Denver where the mountains are always to the west, and thus we know which way is north and south? Mea culpa!

Otherwise, hard to imagine a thread wandering off-topic ...! ;)

No fault intended....

And yes hard to keep track of what is North or South on a Blvd like Jefferson which curves about.

But in these locations of interest one would be correct in saying -even South- odd North.

I don't mind wandering threads, might learn more by wandering than keeping ones roots firmly planted.

Cheers, Ed

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Ed,
"Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket"

The driver, Cecil McWatters, and passenger Roy Milton Jones said the man who

boarded the bus was wearing a jacket.

Mary Bledsoe describes Oswald's shirt, that is was undone, dirty, had a hole in the sleeve at the elbow. Why is Bledsoe the only one who notices this?

Because she didn't.

If the man was wearing a jacket, how could Bledsoe even see his elbow?

Steve Thomas

:blink: Because "some" secret service man showed her the shirt.

Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---

Mr. BALL - Have you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.

Number of questions she was asked about a jacket.

Zero.

Question:

Bledsoe told Oswald where the supermarket was....where was it?

Was it "Buddies Supermarket" on 10th and Jefferson, where Milton Jones worked?

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Ed,
"Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket"

The driver, Cecil McWatters, and passenger Roy Milton Jones said the man who

boarded the bus was wearing a jacket.

Mary Bledsoe describes Oswald's shirt, that is was undone, dirty, had a hole in the sleeve at the elbow. Why is Bledsoe the only one who notices this?

Because she didn't.

If the man was wearing a jacket, how could Bledsoe even see his elbow?

Steve Thomas

:blink: Because "some" secret service man showed her the shirt.

Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---

Mr. BALL - Have you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.

Number of questions she was asked about a jacket.

Zero.

Question:

Bledsoe told Oswald where the supermarket was....where was it?

Was it "Buddies Supermarket" on 10th and Jefferson, where Milton Jones worked?

I feel that this excerpt from a document regarding the TSBD is very significant, I posted it yesterday in the thread on Lee's departure from the TSBD, and no one seemed to notice it, which seems rather odd. I am reposting it here. The information seems to add additional confirmation to the view that Oswald was denied the courtesy of all the facts regarding evidence being submitted in an unbiased manner. I also felth it was interesting that the color of the jacket is not indicated.

And then there is this factoid to be considered.......

ADDITIONAL DATA CONCERNING TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY BUILDING AND C

Roy S Truly, Superintendent, Texas School Book Depository Building, advised that a jacket believed to be the property

of Lee Harvey Oswald was brought to him three or four days after November 22, 1963 by one of the company’s employees

whose name Truly could not recall.

He did recall that this employee told him the jacket had been found on a window ledge in the employee recreation room,

which is located in the north-east corner of the building on the first floor. The window where the jacket was found faces

north and the jacket was behind a one-foot railing which sets back from the window. Mr. Truly stated that he subsequently

turned the jacket over to an FBI for agent.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=8

So, let me get this straight. This document was buried in Oswald's 201 file and could have been made known immediately after the assassination. Well, to state the obvious, isn't that convenient.

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Robert, it was/is read and pondered. My initial reaction was to try to locate in my mind the exact window in question and how exactly the jacket lay when found in order to explore angle concerning an escape through that window that left the jacket behind for some reason. If it's the first floor then it wouldn't be much of a drop and a view of testimony there immediately following the assassination. Perhaps even Oswald being a patsy in the sense of taking the fall believing its not possible to prove he personally shot anyone, (but then he was hung out to dry, 'the cheated one', 'the patsy', while slowing the police to allow an escape to be successful. Tryly dashed ahead. Does that mean anything? Better hold it there, too many tangents off that for now. How exactly was the jacket lying when found, exactly what window, what was outside, was the window open.

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quote name='Robert Howard' date='15 January 2009 - 02:24 PM' timestamp='1232025849' post='161390'

Ed,
"Oswald and the Amazing Technicolor Jacket"

The driver, Cecil McWatters, and passenger Roy Milton Jones said the man who

boarded the bus was wearing a jacket.

Mary Bledsoe describes Oswald's shirt, that is was undone, dirty, had a hole in the sleeve at the elbow. Why is Bledsoe the only one who notices this?

Because she didn't.

If the man was wearing a jacket, how could Bledsoe even see his elbow?

Steve Thomas

:blink: Because "some" secret service man showed her the shirt.

Mr. BALL - It was brought out by the Secret Service man and shown to you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Had you ever seen the shirt before that?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - Well---

Mr. BALL - Have you?

Mrs. BLEDSOE - No; he had it on, though.

Number of questions she was asked about a jacket.

Zero.

Question:

Bledsoe told Oswald where the supermarket was....where was it?

Was it "Buddies Supermarket" on 10th and Jefferson, where Milton Jones worked?

I feel that this excerpt from a document regarding the TSBD is very significant, I posted it yesterday in the thread on Lee's departure from the TSBD, and no one seemed to notice it, which seems rather odd. I am reposting it here. The information seems to add additional confirmation to the view that Oswald was denied the courtesy of all the facts regarding evidence being submitted in an unbiased manner. I also felth it was interesting that the color of the jacket is not indicated.

And then there is this factoid to be considered.......

ADDITIONAL DATA CONCERNING TEXAS SCHOOL BOOK DEPOSITORY BUILDING AND C

Roy S Truly, Superintendent, Texas School Book Depository Building, advised that a jacket believed to be the property

of Lee Harvey Oswald was brought to him three or four days after November 22, 1963 by one of the company’s employees

whose name Truly could not recall.

He did recall that this employee told him the jacket had been found on a window ledge in the employee recreation room,

which is located in the north-east corner of the building on the first floor. The window where the jacket was found faces

north and the jacket was behind a one-foot railing which sets back from the window. Mr. Truly stated that he subsequently

turned the jacket over to an FBI for agent.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=8

So, let me get this straight. This document was buried in Oswald's 201 file and could have been made known immediately after the assassination. Well, to state the obvious, isn't that convenient.

/quote

bump

(I just went through all of the posts in this thread, and I've read the comments displayed below, several times, and I just don't get it, what prompts the ridicule, especially flavored with such cynicism, or why it is expressed.)

....DAVID VON PEIN SAID:

Per a 2003 ABC poll (which included twice the number of respondents

than the Gallup Poll), only 7% of people asked thought that Oswald was

completely innocent (i.e., only 7 of every 100 think that Oswald

didn't fire a shot at JFK).

Compared to the paranoid fringe that appear on Internet sites, that's

quite a difference. Because probably better than 85% of those paranoid

kooks seem to think Oswald never fired a shot.

2003 poll:

www.pollingreport.com/news3.htm#Kennedy ....

...Dang! I was hoping the New York Times would refuse to make the correction, thereby enabling us hard-core Conspiracy Theorists and True Believers to self-righteously accuse them of STONEWALLING us and LYING to us. I was hoping that we could implicate them as being INSTRUMENTAL (or at least complicit) in the ASSASSINATION ITSELF! lol B)

--Thomas

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