G. Gordon Liddy and Marathon Oil—1962 to 1963

[Andrej Stancak]

1 minute ago, Chris Newton said:

Texas

Thanks, Chris, much appreciated.

[Andrej Stancak]

I wonder if Marina knew about the plan to move to the Baltimore area. Marina allegedly wrote to Ruth Paine and received an offer from her to live in Irving about in the first week of September. This does not show that Marina was in the loop as far as Lee's announced plan to move to the Baltimore area is concerned. Neither her Warren Commission testimony, nor her HSCA testimony mentioned Baltimore. It seems that no one asked Marina about the plan to move to Baltimore.

Edited May 11, 2017 by Andrej Stancak

[David Josephs]

On 5/10/2017 at 10:57 PM, Andrej Stancak said:

Thanks, Joseph, for locating the original letters. Would you know what was the date of the later letter in which Lee wrote about settling in Dallas? Also, what could be the word (where my dots stand) in this second letter which I cannot interpret: "in Dallas, ..... for the time" .  Could it be "just" ? This is important to understand whether Dallas was his temporary mission before eventually getting to "Baltimore area". If he understood that Dallas was only a temporary stop before getting to Baltimore, it would show that Lee Oswald's seemingly erratic steps were thoroughly planned.

Josephs...  last name has an "s"...    all good.

"in Dallas, TEXAS ...for the time

 

 

The Baltimore story involves Richard Case Nagell's warning to Hoover about JFK being killed in September...  27/28/29th .  Here is the page from JFK/Unspeakable
You may wish to read Dick Russell's work on Nagell...  below is his affidavit.  The Baylor online archive of John Armstrong has a number of large notebooks on the man.

I've included enlargements of the 2 cards - one on Nagell the other on Oswald....  The signatures and sightings of Oswald in various places around the country was supposedly to establish that Oswald was "stalking" JFK.  Since we feel that Oswald was "handled" by Intel, getting him to write letters about moving to Nagell's target zone in mid 1963 MAY have been part of the "Oswald project"...  sheep-dipping Oswald for his work yet acting as a double edged sword when trying to defend himself later.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 18, 2017 by David Josephs

[Andrej Stancak]

David, sorry for changing your name. I apologise. I should not start writing in the morning before having my usual cup of coffee. 

The possibility that the Baltimore area information in Lee Oswald's letters referred to a possible assassination attempt in Washington, DC contained in "The Man Who Talked Too Much" is important. I read Dick Russell's book last summer but obviously need to read again because I could not remember this part of Nagell's story.

There apparently were multiple plans to use Lee Harvey Oswald in whatever role in an assassination plot. According to Dick Russell, Lee Oswald knew that he has been participating in a plot but he did not know that it will be turned against him (although Nagell did warn him). He seemed to be ready to move to either place, Baltimore or Dallas, as requested. I understand that Lee did not to inform Marina about the Baltimore plan, maybe it was a short-lived plan, and it may have been replaced with Dallas too quickly.   

I read Marina's testimony about their August and early September period in NO. Lee was speaking only about getting to Cuba, allegedly gathering information about cases of air plane hijacking. No mention about Washington, DC. He told her about his intention to travel to Mexico with an idea to get to Cuba, with a vague idea that Marina would join him there later. Lee must have been in quite a bad shape during September because no normal man would leave his pregnant wife and a toddler with an uncertain perspective of reunion, and travel abroad with an intention to get to an enemy country. 

[Andrej Stancak]

I have enquired about the "moving to Baltimore area" puzzle with the LN classics, "Marina and Lee" by  Priscilla Johnson-McMillan and "Case Closed" by Gerald Posner. Posner in a slavery manner follows Jonson-McMillan's reconstruction of the weeks after the infamous radio broadcast in August and before Lee's alleged trip to Mexico City; the same statements, the same chronology are given in both books. Although both sources did mention the letters to Arnold Johnson, none of these authors bothered to address the puzzling reference to moving to "Baltimore area". 

Not knowing about Nagell's information about a possible assassination plan for late September in Washington, DC and using only the LN literature and the Warren Report, one would be left with an interpretation that Lee had mentioned the Washington/Baltimore as the place to where he would move with his family in October, to cover up purchasing air tickets for a long flight; a long-distance flight was necessary, according to Lee's analyses,  to hijack a plane in New Orleans which would be able to land at Havana. Facing Marina's opposition, Lee agreed he would get to Cuba legally. This switch of plans from hijacking a plane to travelling to Mexico happened abruptly during about the first week of September. Moving to Washington, DC/Baltimore area was not necessary in this new plan any longer as it was not necessary to buy any air tickets. This explanation sounds crazy, indeed.

Dick Russell's explanation, astutely quoted by David, gives more sense to the CTers. However, it assumes that Lee was quite an active player in the assassination plot and certainly in the know, which I am not sure it was really the case.

I wonder if we ever get to the bottom of the enigmatic reference to moving to Washington, DC/Baltimore in October which seems had briefly enticed Lee's mind.

 

 

Edited May 13, 2017 by Andrej Stancak

[Tom Hume]

Andrej wrote: "I wonder if we ever get to the bottom of the enigmatic reference to moving to Washington, DC/Baltimore in October which seems had briefly enticed Lee's mind."

My hypothesis is that Richard Case Nagell arranged Lee’s enigmatic activities, in part, around anagrams of Lee Harvey Oswald’s name and Richard Case Nagell’s own name. Hypothetically, then, Oswald never planned to relocate to DC, an anagram of “Richard Case Nagell” was merely being brought to fruition and then expanded upon. For starters, "Richard Case Nagell" anagrams to:

“C ARRANGES A L.H. DC LIE”

The "C" here would, of course, stand for "Case".

Richard Case Nagell claimed to have written J Edgar Hoover about the Lee Oswald DC/John Kennedy assassination connection shortly before having himself arrested for shooting up an El Paso bank. Apropos of this hypothetical lie, “Richard Case Nagell” anagrams to:

“DC/LANCER LIES, AARGH!”

In his letter to Hoover, Richard Case Nagell used the name “Joseph Kramer”, which anagrams to:

“R, JK SEMAPHORE”

Which is, I hypothesize, what Richard was very good at: relaying information to us, albeit arcanely, about the planned assassination of “JK”.

Here are a few anagrams of the place Lee H Oswald (hypothetically) wasn’t going, “Washington DC”:

“H WASN’T GOIN’ DC”

“H NOT SWING A DC”

“DC WAS NOTHING”

“DC GIST: NAW, NO H”

I like this one, “Washington DC” anagrams to:

“H TWINS GO DC, N/A”

I’ve hypothesized elsewhere about who the Harvey twin was.

Maybe Case Nagell (the "CIA Twin Specialist" ((an anagram of "Capitalist Swine"))) liked this anagram of “Washington DC”:

“HO TWINS? DANG! C.”

Once again, I hypothesize “DC NOT WASHING”, or, "NOTING DC WASH", which of course anagram to “Washington DC”.

I don’t mean to be a bother, just my two cents. Please carry on.

Tom

 

Edited May 15, 2017 by Tom Hume

[Tom Hume]

I’ve added new material to the post above, and this is a short continuation of that post.

In several letters, Lee Oswald floated the idea that he would be relocating to the Washington DC/Baltimore MD area. Here is an anagram gem of “Washington DC, Baltimore MD”:

“GEM: MR OSWALD NOT INHABIT DC”

and it’s corollary anagram:

“e.g. C’MON, MR OSWALD INHABIT D.T.”

(“D.T.” is Dallas, Texas)

I think I see where these Oswald relocation puzzles might be going and I will continue working on them in the coming days.

Tom

 

Edited May 15, 2017 by Tom Hume