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  2. My possible explanation ~ Why would Oswald be standing in front of a window near the "Snipers nest" moments after the ambush crossfire? If he is a patsy why not show the world if anyone had a camera, '"Why would I be showing myself in plain site unless I was just a patsy?" (How would he have known the Photo would be so hard to make out?). Maybe nobody on that floor was supposed to hit anyone and Lee as a patsy was forced to go along to save his family as Judyth Baker wrote. So in court he could say "that is me (if someone saw him there or took a photo) and there were others up there watching me". (A few witnesses saw other men on the 6th floor). If he was left on his own somewhere in the building or in the entrance could the plotters risk Lee who may have alerted the authorities about the plot in Chicago a few weeks earlier take the risk of Lee doing it again by running out ahead of the motorcade with a warning? The photos that show him or his look-alike out clearly are enhanced or photo shopped, not the original Commission Exhibit. The original negative seems to have disappeared. So, if he was a patsy and being watched and lived to tell his side, the photo does not prove he shot anyone so maybe someone who knew about the plot made sure the negative was missing. So was Lee a Patsy? Why was the Patsy killed by Ruby who asked an FBI informant to come watch the fireworks with him from a few blocks away. If he lived he could have cracked the case and his photo or being seen in the window would make sense with the rest of his story (I didn't shoot anyone!). Those who were up there could have told him there was a bad guy who was impersonating him who they wanted to catch and was going to kill Kennedy maybe for Castro and we have information He will be acting with your ID. So maybe Lee was trapped or wanted to help if he was told by handlers "This is a test or trap to catch the bad guys". Now I was also set-up (now workin' on my book, Born To Spy) And was told the day after by a couple of agents on Saturday near Point Blank Texas after the double Oswald was Shotgunned Friday night at the Pines Motel, Sam Houston National Forest where men were celebrating from the moment I arrived after dark. Later I was told not to go outside because there was a man with a shotgun going to shoot the guy who shot President Kennedy. The place got quiet after the shots (I'll bet he had a Hell of a story too). So one of the agents told me Saturday late afternoon that Hoover told them on Friday it was a Test that went Bad. By the way Hoover got on the extra Chartered Bus at the Air Port in Houston I was forced onto earlier that then picked up Hoover, the Bushes, and other operatives. I reported this to authorities in 91 and again last May. Witnesses saw Hoover in Texas including late Thursday Night. I haven't read one report where Hoover was seen in DC on Friday and Hoover leaves out completely where he was and what he did on Friday in his WC report until he gets the story straight on the Phone that night with LBJ. Yes, Summers reports Hoover called RFK immediately after the shots were fired told RFK he was getting more Information and will call back. Hoover never called back Why? Why did he call in the first place if he thought he had no Jurisdiction in the case. Did he think RFK did not have a TV? And where was Hoover when he called? And why are all his phone logs of the months before and after missing from the FBI Vault? I have a good idea and from first hand knowledge, this is My Possible explanation. Phil Ochs was right, Hoover was The Bad Guy.
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  4. While we tend to vilify these individuals, I'd put forward (assuming it wont be popular) that James Mc Cord was a patriot, and did many things for the country and CIA that deserve a measure of respect. It seems that - with Watergate unfolding and Richard Helms out of the loop and no longer able to protect these guys - McCord did what he had to do. It's not clear who "they" are ... but its a dangerous game they were playing ... William Colby experienced a suspicious end in 1996, 20 years after Watergate and the Rockefeller Commission. Mc Cord succumbed to pancreatic cancer and had a notable record. An Army Air Force bombardier in WWII, FBI special agent, MS in International Relations from George Washington University. More than 20 years with CIA in very sensitive roles (with a Distinguished Service Award). We may not like his politics or roles, but he was a warrior, and deserves respect.
  5. Toni Glover JFK assassination JFK assassination: Questions that won't go away By Owen Amos BBC News, Washington DC ctober 2017 Toni got to the Dealey Plaza early and found a "perfect" spot to watch the president's parade. "He came by, he smiled and waved," she says. "Jackie smiled and waved - she was on my side. "He turned the corner. I thought, 'I'm going to follow this car until it disappears because it's the president - I'm going to watch every second I can.' And then his head exploded. It just exploded. "She told her mother that someone had thrown fireworks into the car. "But really, I knew different," she adds.Now, 54 years later, Dr Toni Glover is an associate professor at the University of Scranton in Pennsylvania. ** Girl in Blue remembers JFK assassination The Citizens’ Voice By David Singleton (Staff Writer) / Published: November 22, 2013 Now an associate professor of English at the University of Scranton, Toni Glover, Ph.D., still struggles with the raw horror of what she witnessed. "It was not an assassination. It was not a fatal shot," Glover, 61, said in an interview at her Hill Section home. "It was a gory, gruesome murder that we all stood there and watched." "I went there with this magical thinking that just a wave and a smile would change my life forever, and he did indeed look up and smile and wave and it took my breath away ⦠I was just floating on air. I was in the ether somewhere, and I had tunnel vision on the car. "So I just kept watching the car as it went down the street and his head exploded." Fatal gunshot As a native Texan, Glover said she knows what a gunshot sounds like. She is certain she heard two in Dealey Plaza. She can't be sure about a third. After Kennedy's limo passed her perch and turned left onto Elm in front of the book depository, Glover said there was a noise people in the crowd acknowledged by turning their heads. It was a bang, she said, but it could have been a motorcycle or car backfiring. ** As 50th Anniversary Of JFK Assassination Approaches, Local Witness Reflects November 20, 2013 at 6:26 pm Filed Under:CBS 3, Dallas, JFK Assassination, Local Witness, Pat Ciarrocchi, Toni Glover, TX “It was perfect. “They looked up. I was way up in the air, screaming and yelling. You couldn’t miss me. And smiled and waved,” Glover said. I was just so thrilled. and then, he turned the corner, and his head exploded. Graphic, yes. And seared. “The image of him waving and the image of him dying are burned of course,” she said.” ** https://www.facebook.com/bbcbreakfast/videos/it-was-the-most-wonderful-moment-and-then-a-terrible-terrible-momenttoni-glover-/1900013053346157/ **
  6. Jim, see my other post today about what we can and can't say what Dorothy Garner saw and told Martha Jo Stroud. As for the second part above, I completely agree that an "Oswald" impersonator shot J.D. Tippit. While that suspect may not have been a dead ringer for our "Oswald", he did resemble him enough to confuse strangers who might have seen him. For readers who may be unaware to what Jim is referring about the two arrests in the Texas Theater, there are not one, but two different official Dallas Police reports extant in which the arrest of "Oswald" took place in the balcony, not the first floor. We know that our "Oswald" was arrested on the first floor. So who was this "LHO" arrested in the balcony? The same guy who shot Tippit, that's who!
  7. John Dean was the Michael Cohen of Watergate. https://www.aim.org/media-monitor/liddy-wins-john-dean-loses/ If was only there was someone on this thread who would be willing to rebut Len Colodny’s assertions and explain how the Woodward / Bernstein narrative does not deserve to be challenged.
  8. Good question, Tony. I suspect that the impostor in the white tee shirt up on the sixth floor slipped into the building and up to the sixth floor shortly before he was first noticed by Arnold Rowland and others, several minutes after 12:00 pm. At that time, our "Oswald" was probably sitting in the first floor room, eating his lunch after getting a Coke from the 2nd floor lunchroom machine. (That's what he told Captain Fritz.) The one time during the work day when our "Oswald" could be reliably in one place was during lunch. The sixth floor was clear for the sixth floor team, including the impersonator. After the shots, one of the members of the sixth floor team was intercepted by Baker/Truly (somewhere) and Truly vouched for that person. Whether that suspect actually resembled "Oswald" much, well, there isn't any evidence of it from 11/22/63. The John A./Jim H. theory about the impostor encounter on the 2nd floor is possible, but it requires that the suspect use the passenger elevator only to elude detection from the 6th to the 2nd floors. Then, says this theory, the suspect would dash through the second floor offices to make his way to the back stairs, only to stop short, turn around and flee, only to be accosted by Baker/Truly. After which, says the theory, the suspect would then flee through the second floor offices (again) to be seen and mistakenly identified by an unwitting Mrs. Reid. Moments later, this suspect would then descend the front stairs to the first floor, and walk out the TSBD, thus obviating the entire reason to get off the passenger elevator on the second floor in the first place. This is theoretically possible. But, at this moment, I don't think that is very likely. A far simpler solution has one suspect descend on the passenger elevator all the way to the first floor, exit the elevator (right in front of Herbert Sawyer, just as he testified) and walk out the front door. The other suspect went down the back stairs to the level of the third or fourth floor and was briefly accosted by Baker/Truly, before being turned loose to go down to the exits by the back loading dock. (The only obstacle to this is the assumption that because we have no summary statement from Dorothy Garner about seeing any such suspect, that therefore no such suspect could have descended this way. To which I will point out to anyone thinking along those lines the minor fact that we have no direct statement from Dorothy Garner herself at all, so we have no idea what else she might have seen or not seen! We have only a one-line summary from Martha Jo Stroud, confined solely to the timing of Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles. Nothing more!) Don't assume that Stroud's summary of Garner's observation about the timing - and only the timing - precludes any stairway-descending suspect from the sixth floor! It does not!
  9. Good question. I think white shirted Oswald was supposed to be seen on the sixth floor, and then was supposed to get out of the building and out of Dealey Plaza seen by no one, or as few people as possible. John A. thinks he got off the front passenger elevator on the second floor, headed toward the back staircase where he meant to go down, but got spooked when he heard Truly and Baker coming up (or, less likely, Adams and Styles going down) and turned to the door immediately to his right and walked into the office to be seen by Mrs. Reid.
  10. No no no. You try and establish 'the salient facts'. When you try, and you use the evidence available to all, you cannot honestly conclude the Investigation or the Warren Commission established the salient facts.
  11. No matter how the skull photographs are oriented, they appear to show two small holes in the right temporal scalp:
  12. Linda Willis- Warren Commission- July 22, 1964- that she was standing in front of the TSBD when he motorcade came by. She initially said she heard shots there or more shots. Then, later she said she was standing across Elm Street from the Stemmons Freeway sign. There is where she heard shots and saw the head shot. She said she was directly across the street from the Stemmons sign when the first shot hit him. ** Linda Willis in a 1991 film on the assassination. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iO9PoeOndhU At 3:58 minutes into the film she describes her family’s relationship to the major Democratic Party players in Texas at that time. At 4:47 there is a discussion of the shots and shooting. AT 8:50 there is a lengthy discussion of the shots and shooting. AT 13:25 Linda says she and her family stood close to each other and saw the same thing. Maybe at this point she forgot she was supposed to be standing in front of the Stemmons Sign or maybe she hadn’t read her WC transcript. ** Below is the unedited transcript from interviews with witnesses to the Kennedy assassination: Rosemary Willis Roach, her sister Linda Willis Pool, and mother Marilyn Willis; Bill and Gayle Newman; Pierce Allman; Bobby Hargis and James Leavelle. Interviewed by Joe Nick Patoski “Linda Willis Pool: I was fourteen years old. TM: Linda, you were following your dad? Linda: I followed my dad the whole time he photographed the presidential motorcade. The cars came toward the old red courthouse proceeding down Main Street, made a right onto Houston then left on Elm. So my dad began to run along the side of the limousine when the car made the turn onto Houston. As he ran along the side of the car, snapping pictures, I was on his shoulders the whole time. We were running at a pretty good clip to keep up with the motorcade. And so when they turned the corner in front of the School book depository they were moving along slowly so the crowd could wave. And when the shots rang out, my impression was firecrackers at first. But the report was loud and came again and again, I began to realize that trouble was brewing. And I saw the president's hands come up to his throat and then I saw the head shot and I never took my eyes away from the president during those shots,” ** Linda’s Warren Commission testimony is contradictory. The testimony of Linda Kay Willis was taken at 3:15 p.m., on July 22, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President’s Commission. (This part of Linda’s statements is in agreement with what she said above.) ”Mr. Liebeler. Your father has told us that you were out in front of the School Book Depository Building along with your sister on the day of the assassination, and your mother and father were also there, is that correct? Miss Willis. Yes, sir. Mr. Liebeler. Did you hear any shots, or what you later learned to be shots, as the motorcade came past you there? Miss Willis. Yes ; I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time, and then there were two real fast bullets together. When the first one hit, well, the President turned from waving to the people, and he grabbed his throat, and he kind of slumped forward, and then I couldn’t tell where the second shot went. Mr. Liebeler. Now, you were standing right along the curb on Elm Street, is that right, when the motorcade came by across the street from the School Book Depository Building? Miss Willis. Yes, sir.” (But, she then contradicts herself.) “Mr. Liebeler. Did you follow the motorcade down Elm Street at all, or did you stand on the corner up toward Houston Street and watch from there? Miss Willis. I was right across from the sign that points to where Stem- mons Expressway is. I was directly across when the first shot hit him. Mr. Liebeler. Directly across from the sign that says, “Stemmons Freeway”? Miss Willis. I was right in line with the sign and the car, and I wasn’t very far away from him, but I couldn’t tell from where the shot came. Mr. Liebeler. Did you just stay right there, or did you go on down Elm Street? “ Is this changed testimony? Or, did Linda realize she was off script and had to get this part about the Stemmons Freeway sign in? It sounds more like added testimony at a later date.
  13. I also think Baker and Truly confronted a fellow from the six floor, but it couldn’t have happened on the fourth floor because that would have been right in front of Dorothy Garner, who surely would have remembered such a dramatic encounter. Garner watched Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles run down the stairs to the first floor and then she saw Baker and Truly as they ran past her on the 4th floor and continued running up the stairway. I kind of doubt the encounter took place on the floor right below her, either, but I suppose that is possible. I think Baker encountered Classic Oswald® by the second floor lunch room, wearing a brown shirt (some people say it was dark red, but it certainly wasn’t white). He did not have a Coke in his hand. Truly surely is a major suspect here, but I think Mrs. Reid was nothing but a problem for the Warren Commission. A BIG, BIG part of this whole setup was to get a fellow who looked like Classic Oswald® do all sorts of incriminating things, from all those visits to the Sports Drome rifle range and other places around Dallas. Why stop on the day of the assassination? Why not put this fellow who looked like LHO on the TSBD sixth floor and parade him around with a gun? When the shooting was over, he had to get out of Dodge being seen by the fewest witnesses possible. I think he wore a white shirt on the sixth floor because Classic Oswald probably worked that way often during the day, taking off his overshirt and working in a white t-shirt. But Mrs. Reid presented a serious problem for the Warren Commission. Not only did she see him with a Coke, but she also saw him in a white shirt, without anything over it. During her testimony, look how hard Belin tried to make Mrs. Reid get LHO back into the lunch room to retrieve the brown (or dark red) shirt and a jacket! But she wouldn’t put him there! If the conspirators were setting up Classic Oswald for six weeks prior to the assassination by impersonating him in compromising positions, why stop on the Big Day? At least some of the witnesses at 10th & Patton thought Tippit’s killer looked like Oswald, including some of the witnesses closest to the hit. Are we to believe that was a coincidence? Funny about all those reports of two Oswalds arrested in the Texas Theater. Just another coincidence?
  14. Please everyone, don't hijack this thread into another endless Prayer Man controversy! This thing is long enough, and I know from past experience that you guys never stop arguing about Prayer Man. If someone ever produces real proof, I'll be real interested, but I've yet to see anything approaching it. Please... start your own thread.
  15. Strange that subsequent frames show the President seemingly uninjured, from any "gunshot " as the limo turned the corner.
  16. I agree with Paul and Andrej, in Altgens6, Lovelady leaning with his left shoulder lower than his right, probably holding on to the centre rail to get a better view as the limo went down Elm Street, note that the position of the collars on his shirt (the dark red parts of the shirt in the above photo) seem to confirm this as they are at an approx 45˚ angle to each other. In my mind there is no doubt that it is Lovelady.
  17. Dennis David on The Men Who Killed Kennedy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obJ3hkPKUX8&t=22m13s
  18. Neglected this post a tad, the following was already pubbed all over Next weekend we are busy yapping. The final program is as follows: DPUK Canterbury Seminar – 27th/28th April 2019 Programme Saturday 27th April 09.45m – 10.00am Introduction to the Seminar Stuart Galloway 10.00am – 11.00am The Fair Play for Cuba Committee - an Overview (Part 1) Phil Hopley 11.00am – 11.20am Break: Coffee/Tea 11.20am – 12.10pm The Fair Play for Cuba Committee - an Overview (Part 2) Phil Hopley 12.10pm – 1.45pm LUNCH (Own Arrangements) 1.45pm - 2.45pm The Media and the JFK Assassination Jim DeBrosse 8.45amEST – 9.45amEST by video/telephone link 2.45pm – 3.45pm Gene Wheaton Larry Hancock 8.45amCDT – 9.45amCDT by telephone link 3.45pm – 4.10pm Break: Tea/Coffee 4.10pm – 4.40pm Predictive Programming in the Assassination of President Kennedy: Part 2 Jason Wilcox 4.40pm – 5.40pm Q & A with Jeff Meek - The Dallas interviews Bart Kamp/Jeff Meek 10.40amCDT – 11.40amCDT by telephone link Dinner at the Abbotts Barton Hotel – 7.30pm for 8.00pm Sunday 28th April 09.30am – 10.30am The DPUK Auction Mike Dworetsky 10.30am – 11.15am D-Day in Dallas via Mexico City Paul Brown 11.15am - 12.15pm Bart’s Latest Research and the New Website Bart Kamp 12.15pm – 1.20pm LUNCH ( Buffet in the Lecture Theatre) 1.20pm – 2.20pm The Early Research Years – Q & A Bart Kamp/Malcolm Blunt 2.20pm – 3.35pm Permindex & Centro Mondiale Commerciale Michele Metta Video or telephone link 3:35pm – 3.45pm Closure of the Seminar - Stuart Galloway
  19. This sure doesn't sound like he saw the large orange blob wound that we see in the extant Z film - just like the Parkland medical professionals didn't see it either. Thanks
  20. Michael, PROJECT AQUATONE - OPERATIONAL CONCEPT https://www.cia.gov/library/readingroom/document/cia-rdp62b00844r000200080051-9 Document Type: CREST Collection: General CIA Records Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP62B00844R000200080051-9 Publication Date: February 5, 1958 Content Type: SUMMARY File: Attachment Size CIA-RDP62B00844R000200080051-9.pdf 119.43 KB Body: PROJECT AQUATONE - OPERATIONAL CONCEPT 1. Objectives: a. Primary objective of the proposed operations is to obtain coverage of 23 extremely high priority targets in the USSR. For operational planning purposes these targets have been grouped into some 13 areas each having homogeneous weather. Three areas have been determined to have higher priority than the other ten. Document Type: CREST Collection: General CIA Records Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP62B00844R000200260063-6 Publication Date: January 26, 1956 Attachment Size CIA-RDP62B00844R000200260063-6.pdf 79.84 KB Body: ApproO F It @VY63/01/24: CIA-RDP62B00844ROO4200260063-6 26 January 1956 MEMORANDUM FOR: Director of Central Intelligence SUBJECT Project AQUATONE 1. Project AQUA TONE in its procurement phase consists of the production and delivery of planes and equipment designed particularly for intelligence purposes. Since, therefore, it is of joint interest to the Air Force and the Central Intelligence Agency, the procurement has been joint, with the Central Intelligence Agency entering into all major contracts http://area51specialprojects.com/sp_u2.html Declassified Legacy of the Secret Heroes of the CIA and Air Force U-2 ... area51specialprojects.com/sp_u2.html Only the declassified activities of the CIA participation in U-2 Project Aquatone and Air Force Project Idealist are posted herein. 6 131,815 35 149. This page was ... Steve Thomas
  21. Paul: I agree with your take on Lovelady or Prayer Man being Lee Oswald. I am in the process of reconstructing Altgens6 using 3D modelling, and from what I saw so far there are no doubts in my mind that Lovelady was the man whom many consider being Lee Oswald. By the way, Lovelady stood on the second step, not on the top landing (first step) as he claimed during his testimony for the Warren Commission. An honest error in my view. Please find here a taster of my analysis. In (A), Lovelady is seen standing on the top landing - that would make him much taller than Bill Shelley who stood behind him and to his left. (B) is correct. C and D are overlays of Altgens6 and the 3D model.
  22. The above are what I call "strange coincidences". They look like smoke from a distance but really are just coincidences that large historical events tend to have, i.e, comparing it to the Lincoln assassination which also was a conspiracy. The problem is some confuse coincidences as factual proof of something when in fact they are window dressing to the real facts. That is coordinated radio communication in the Plaza which is the real provable smoking gun as I have said before.
  23. In November 1972, after Nixon had been reelected, Hunt told Chuck Colson in no uncertain terms that the "hush" money for the defendants and their attorneys had better be forthcoming pronto or else. Colson recorded this spellbinding telephone conversation that can be listened to on YouTube. A month later, in December 1972, Dorothy Hunt was killed in a commercial plane crash in Chicago that is still controversial as to how it occurred. She was carrying a sum of money. Upon learning of her death Colson exclaimed that "now they have killed Dorothy." I attended Dorothy's funeral at which Hunt walked across the parking lot and embraced me with tears flowing down his cheeks. I cried too. The first Watergate trial was scheduled for January 1973, the next month. Prior to the trial Hunt called his four children together and told them that he was going to plead guilty because if he did not he feared that they would be killed next to keep him quiet. Hunt did plead guilty and the four Cuban-American defendants loyally followed his lead. Liddy and McCord stood trial and were found guilty. I believe that McCord had reason to fear for his life. Maybe Liddy did too and this could have been a motivating factor in his making the decision of remaining quiet and not speaking out publicly until released from prison years later.
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